Successful Test of Cold Fusion Device - Customer (DARPA?) pays 2 million$.

Tzupy

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Time to use my necro-threading powers... Cheesy

Due to Rossi and Leonardo suing Industrial Heat, for breach of contract, we can now access very important information.
The customer was Industrial Heat, who paid 1.5 million $ for the experimental 1MW plant and later another 10 million, after
validation tests, and for the actual License of the IP related to the E-cat. The rest of 89 million $ should have been paid by
IH after the 350 days of performance and endurance evaluation of the 1MW plant. This 350 days test concluded with the
impressive result of a COP > 50, according to Rossi, the report should be published soon. But IH refused to pay the 89 million $.

http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Leonardosuit01-main.pdf
http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Rossi_et_al_v_Darden_et_al__flsdce-16-21199__0001.2.pdf
http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/lenr-energy-blackswan-revolution-is-a-fact-ecat-at-cop-50-for-350-days/

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I'm following this (and have been for a year or two) because it would invoke a big paradigm shift in electricity generation and transmission (part of my day job). What is interesting is that there is a large body of scientific work out there that appears to produce excess heat, but the mechanics (physics/chemistry) of it are not understood, so it does not get credit. There are some parameters that need to be brought together precisely, and that's hard to do. The other invention sometimes quoted is the incandescent light bulb - I understand Edison took 9000 experiments to get something unexpected to work, and that it was very much left-field and almost bankrupted him in the process.

So, back to watching Rossi and the Greek outfit compete, along with NASA boffins, DoE and others.

amencon

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When this thread popped up I did a bit of reading on the subject. My gut reaction was(is) that it's likely a scam, however even the small chance that it could be real is very interesting.

Now that it's about a month later I did some more searching and it looks like things are progressing:

http://energycatalyzer3.com/

What do you guys think about the new developments? Is that site a scam? Are others seeing potential in spinning off the same scam? Looks like the meet up in MIT might be real but didn't dig around very much at all.

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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

ElectricMucus

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Marketing manager - GO MP

These self-proclaimed skeptics are equally annoying as their fringe engineering counterparts. Roll Eyes

paraipan

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Extended article on "free energy". It's all around us Cheesy

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Quote from: da2ce7 on November 03, 2011, 08:34:48 AM

The entire E-Cat device is a hoax.

Here is a good block, debunking their claims: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/

This Krivit guy is an interesting character. Not really sure what to make of him. But that is neither here nor there. This is the part I found interesting from the above blog.

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I don’t doubt the legitimacy of the underlying science — apparently copied from biophysicist Francesco Piantelli — which has been published in peer-reviewed journals. But I do doubt the extraordinary magnitude of Rossi’s claim.

He goes on to link some other news and/or posts, that seem interesting.

http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/09/28/nasa-advances-evaluation-of-piantelli’s-lenr-research/
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/Report2-372-EnergyCatalyzerScientificCommunicationAndEthicsIssues.shtml
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/Piantelli/PiantelliGroupPapers.shtml

Now I really don't want to get into the question of whether or not Rossi stole Piantelli's work. The question I have is much more basic.

Is there something there worth stealing?

da2ce7

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Live and Let Live

The entire E-Cat device is a hoax.

Here is a good block, debunking their claims: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/

paraipan

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Quote from: PatrickHarnett on November 02, 2011, 03:55:55 PM

Thank you for the updated cultural reference. "baloney" I understand - as for the others "pastrami is the most sensual of the spiced meats" http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheBlood.html

haha yeah, this guy seems to have reinvented the IC engine making it more efficient though

PatrickHarnett

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Thank you for the updated cultural reference. "baloney" I understand - as for the others "pastrami is the most sensual of the spiced meats" http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheBlood.html

ribuck

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Quote from: PatrickHarnett on November 01, 2011, 03:21:20 PM

What's wrong with Bologna?

The word is only used disparagingly in some parts of the world, so you may not know it. In other places, people might say instead "What a load of Baloney". The meaning is the same.

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As in: "The idea of cold fusion is bolonga" or "Oh, bologna! There is no way you could do a push up in space."

PatrickHarnett

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on November 01, 2011, 12:25:38 PM

Quote from: JeffK on October 31, 2011, 04:38:31 PM

Quote from: Rassah on October 31, 2011, 04:20:14 PM

As I said, there's also the issue of assuming every one of these free energy things is invented in US, or in a country that supresses them. Competing governments like China, North Korea, or Iran would LOVE to get their hands on this tech just to show up the western countries. Why aren't these inventors selling to them?

The obviou answer is: maybe it's a load of bullshit?

The key word is still "Bologna".

I'm missing something PG. What's wrong with Bologna? I've driven past it once, on the way to Milan on the only time I have been in Europe, and one of my colleagues did a semester for her international commercial masters in law there - she liked the food.

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Quote from: paraipan on November 01, 2011, 01:50:31 PM

more than 50% chance i'd say.

Just some friendly advice. Don't go to Vegas!

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Quote from: Red on November 01, 2011, 12:27:14 PM

The site says most were military as would be expected. Some *could be* solar cell efficiency related which is related to military satellites not ground based power.

But your own source list only 11 "John Doe" Secrecy Orders (imposed on private inventors)
http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/invention/stats.html

What is the chance that one of these is mystical free energy? Vs say the chance that they are rednecks making things that go boom?

more than 50% chance i'd say. GPS system was designed for military use at first so a "solar cell efficiency related which is related to military satellites" is not a reason to withhold the technology...

Red

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The site says most were military as would be expected. Some *could be* solar cell efficiency related which is related to military satellites not ground based power.

But your own source list only 11 "John Doe" Secrecy Orders (imposed on private inventors)
http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/invention/stats.html

What is the chance that one of these is mystical free energy? Vs say the chance that they are rednecks making things that go boom?

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Quote from: JeffK on October 31, 2011, 04:38:31 PM

Quote from: Rassah on October 31, 2011, 04:20:14 PM

As I said, there's also the issue of assuming every one of these free energy things is invented in US, or in a country that supresses them. Competing governments like China, North Korea, or Iran would LOVE to get their hands on this tech just to show up the western countries. Why aren't these inventors selling to them?

The obviou answer is: maybe it's a load of bullshit?

The key word is still "Bologna".

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"... Invention Secrecy Still Going Strong
October 21st, 2010 by Steven Aftergood

There were 5,135 inventions that were under secrecy orders at the end of Fiscal Year 2010, the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office told Secrecy News last week. It’s a 1% rise over the year before, and the highest total in more than a decade.

Under the Invention Secrecy Act of 1951, patent applications on new inventions can be subject to secrecy orders restricting their publication if government agencies believe that disclosure would be “detrimental to the national security.” ..."

http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/2010/10/invention_secrecy_2010.html

Red

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Quote from: JeffK on October 31, 2011, 04:38:31 PM

The obviou answer is: maybe it's a load of bullshit?

It's all bullshit except the one I believe is real!

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I never hashed for this...

Quote from: Rassah on October 31, 2011, 04:20:14 PM

As I said, there's also the issue of assuming every one of these free energy things is invented in US, or in a country that supresses them. Competing governments like China, North Korea, or Iran would LOVE to get their hands on this tech just to show up the western countries. Why aren't these inventors selling to them?

The obviou answer is: maybe it's a load of bullshit?

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