Successful Test of Cold Fusion Device - Customer (DARPA?) pays 2 million$. - page 2.

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Quote from: kokjo on October 31, 2011, 02:27:52 PM

anyone who have any data on how this free energy stuff will affect mining?

that will not be a real problem because "free energy" miners would have to amortize their investment and coins would have minimum value imposed by them, the real problem would be, and maybe critics will find intrinsic value of bitcoin too, when we manage to create matter from energy with methods within reach for everyone.
I don't want to go too sci-fy here but recent discoveries made me believe we may have star-trek "replicators" more close than we thought... link

Imagine a world, 50 years from now, in which everyone has it's personal "replicator" just the size of a microwave oven where he can push some buttons and replicate any material thing you can think of like food, raw metals, tools, you name it. In that case what would you use as store of value ? Could bitcoin be our latinum ?

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As I said, there's also the issue of assuming every one of these free energy things is invented in US, or in a country that supresses them. Competing governments like China, North Korea, or Iran would LOVE to get their hands on this tech just to show up the western countries. Why aren't these inventors selling to them?

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Quote from: Mageant on October 31, 2011, 02:25:46 PM

It is very effective. The government can extend it after each year, and furthermore it also stays in effect during a war or a national emergency (we currently have both, we are still officially in a "national emergency" due to 9/11).

So you are saying this is so effective that nobody has ever risked the $10,000 fine and 2 years in jail to go for the billions of dollars that magic energy would bring? I mean, even the book rights on the government conspiracy story would be worth millions. But it would only be worth that if magic energy actually worked. The "government is squashing my technology against my will" story only holds if your billion dollar technology doesn't really work.

It is like claiming you have a technique for creating undetectable forgeries of US currency. But you can't explain the technology because the government might fine you $10,000. That is circularly silly. If you have the technology, how could the government tell if you paid the fine in forged money.

Even this Italian guy is claiming he wants to patent and publish his technology. He claims he is only keeping it secret because he is being declined a patent. In the US you can get a patent even if your idea doesn't work. I say give him a patent and let's see what all the fuss is about.

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You are WRONG!

anyone who have any data on how this free energy stuff will affect mining?

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Quote from: Red on October 31, 2011, 02:21:55 PM

Quote from: Mageant on October 31, 2011, 01:49:40 PM

Sorry to disappoint you but there are thousands of patents that have been suppressed due to "National Security".
There is a law that allows this and it has been used a lot: Title 35, United States Code (1952), sections 181-188.

I read those sections. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/35/usc_sec_35_00000181----000-.html

The head of a major government agency has to re-classify a patent every year. The government still has to pay compensation. And the penalty is up to $10,000 and two years in prison. That hardly appears to be a sufficient technique for squashing billion dollar energy technologies.

It is very effective. The government can extend it after each year, and furthermore it also stays in effect during a war or a national emergency (we currently have both, we are still officially in a "national emergency" due to 9/11).

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Quote from: Mageant on October 31, 2011, 01:49:40 PM

Sorry to disappoint you but there are thousands of patents that have been suppressed due to "National Security".
There is a law that allows this and it has been used a lot: Title 35, United States Code (1952), sections 181-188.

I read those sections. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/35/usc_sec_35_00000181----000-.html

The head of a major government agency has to re-classify a patent every year. The government still has to pay compensation. And the penalty is up to $10,000 and two years in prison. That hardly appears to be a sufficient technique for squashing billion dollar energy technologies.

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Quote from: ribuck on October 31, 2011, 12:19:27 PM

Those who don't yet recognize this "invention" as a scam may find this article interesting:
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/10/30/noble-aspirations-are-not-enough/

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A blog commenter using the name “Penny Gruber” nailed it:

“Rossi is a convicted [criminal guilty of] serial fraud. His discovery is that, with enough chutzpah, one can convince a number of people that an electric tea kettle is a new kind of nuclear reactor.”

I mentioned it once and will now do so again. The key word here is "Bologna".

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Quote from: Red on October 31, 2011, 12:24:23 PM

That is the best think about patents. Nobody can buy them up and hide them. If it is patented, it is public.

Sorry to disappoint you but there are thousands of patents that have been suppressed due to "National Security".
There is a law that allows this and it has been used a lot: Title 35, United States Code (1952), sections 181-188.

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Okay, I will look at the example of a kid on a playground. The kid sits on a swing, pumps their legs, and starts moving, seemingly getting free energy. Have you seen how much sugar kids eat? The kid is burning chemical energy taken in from food to pump the muscles at the resonant frequency. It is not energy for free

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It IS free energy on Halloween. We're just not taking enough advantage of it.

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Quote from: paraipan on October 31, 2011, 07:49:02 AM

I'm not skeptical at all, i believe it's possible it works and can be a revolutionary technology but i refuse to use another "device" that creates it's energy based on some material element, few grams of nickel is used by this cold fusion device. Nickel is cheap but in case this technology is adopted could be the next "fossil fuel" if you ask me with all the bad things that will bring.

We already have inventions that create lots more and don't have to use nothing in the process, they are being kept secret by gov all over the world, and seeing a device like this being publicized should rise some alerts for ppl. We are prohibited even experimenting with free energy devices and scientists all over the world, funded by big business, spend most of their time bashing and denying it's existence with their flawed laws and shit.
The first and second laws of thermodynamics are valid and will be forever but are mistakenly interpreted or applied, you have to look at the "big" picture when measuring energy put into and output of a device. The vacuum is full of "static" energy that enters freely in every device we make. The basic principle in every OU device, mechanic, electric or chem, is a very efficient oscillator (pendulum) or swing that you have to "push" at it's resonant frequency to have it build huge amounts of energy that you can have for free. We see free energy devices all day long in the parks but don't stop to think how they really work Tongue

Sorry for the long post but i had to say all this.

Wow, that post is loaded with crap. Where to start?

Okay, I will look at the example of a kid on a playground. The kid sits on a swing, pumps their legs, and starts moving, seemingly getting free energy. Have you seen how much sugar kids eat? The kid is burning chemical energy taken in from food to pump the muscles at the resonant frequency. It is not energy for free, it is changing potential energy (chemical) into kinetic energy (movement).

eh take it easy on concepts, you're mixing the source of the energy that a kid has cumulated as potential with the impulse given to the swing at resonance (first 25% of it's travel). Imagine i put an electromagnet, instead of a kid, at one side of the swing, how much sugar we would have to put into it to make it work... Cheesy

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Quote from: Red on October 31, 2011, 12:24:23 PM

Quote from: paraipan on October 31, 2011, 12:16:06 PM

i would tend to believe it's more of a scam that meyer's hho,

With Meyer's you don't have to believe anything. There is a perfectly good wiki page. He also filed a patent so you can just build what he made and see if it works.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer's_water_fuel_cell
http://www.google.com/patents/about/4389981_Hydrogen_gas_injector_system_for.html?id=ihY9AAAAEBAJ

That is the best think about patents. Nobody can buy them up and hide them. If it is patented, it is public.

heh maybe you misunderstood my words, we're on the same side here, i only meant to say that meyer invention is publicly known as a scam and strongly believe he made it work through water resonance like he states in his patents.

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Quote from: ribuck on October 31, 2011, 12:19:27 PM

Those who don't yet recognize this "invention" as a scam may find this article interesting:
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/10/30/noble-aspirations-are-not-enough/

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A blog commenter using the name “Penny Gruber” nailed it:

“Rossi is a convicted [criminal guilty of] serial fraud. His discovery is that, with enough chutzpah, one can convince a number of people that an electric tea kettle is a new kind of nuclear reactor.”

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Quote from: paraipan on October 31, 2011, 12:16:06 PM

i would tend to believe it's more of a scam that meyer's hho,

With Meyer's you don't have to believe anything. There is a perfectly good wiki page. He also filed a patent so you can just build what he made and see if it works.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer's_water_fuel_cell
http://www.google.com/patents/about/4389981_Hydrogen_gas_injector_system_for.html?id=ihY9AAAAEBAJ

That is the best think about patents. Nobody can buy them up and hide them. If it is patented, it is public.

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Those who don't yet recognize this "invention" as a scam may find this article interesting:
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/10/30/noble-aspirations-are-not-enough/

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Quote from: Vladimir on October 31, 2011, 11:51:41 AM

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Stanley Meyer claimed before his suspicious death that he refused an offer of a billion dollars from Arab oil interests if he would stop work on his electrolysis process.

New biz model. You start working on new "electrolysis process", stage a fake demo or two and wait for 1 billion offer to stop working on this. Awesome.

yeah, more than one tried to pull that out but "they" have experts too and know how to recognize a genuine invention. Compared with the 2 million offered for the invention we're talking in this thread i would tend to believe it's more of a scam that meyer's hho, who btw was only putting in practice Andrija Puharich real findings and succeeded.

Personal interest make this kind of technology fail to reach the masses every time, it's a feature if you ask me put in our economic system by the creators, and stall the evolution of our race. Hope bitcoin solves this issue by having the ppl who really put time and energy into this kind of research get the funds they need from all of us.

We could talk days on this issue and agree on every aspect or keep up the good work on bitcoin adoption and wait for inventors to come aboard Cheesy

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Lolectrolysis! Grin

Only slightly more confusing than how magnets work, and just as ridiculous. But, BUBBLES! And Hydrogen! Obviously every time you make hydrogen, you create energy, right? Anyone?

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Stanley Meyer claimed before his suspicious death that he refused an offer of a billion dollars from Arab oil interests if he would stop work on his electrolysis process.

New biz model. You start working on new "electrolysis process", stage a fake demo or two and wait for 1 billion offer to stop working on this. Awesome.

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Quote from: paraipan on October 31, 2011, 11:16:09 AM

Has been done already link.

This is awesome in its silliness! The site even has its own disclaimer!
http://www.rense.com/disclaimer.htm

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Quote from: paraipan on October 31, 2011, 11:16:09 AM

Quote from: cruikshank on October 31, 2011, 10:58:55 AM

Quote from: Mageant on October 31, 2011, 10:31:15 AM

That's true because almost every time in the past that somebody has successfully developed such a device they are either threatened, bought off, arrested or killed.

Please do elaborate on these.

Has been done already link. A search on google give lots of results too

You'd think by now these inventors would have learned their lesson, and knew to either release their design publicly or only sell it to China, Korea, Iran, or any other country that would love to compete with US or Europe.

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Quote from: cruikshank on October 31, 2011, 10:58:55 AM

Quote from: Mageant on October 31, 2011, 10:31:15 AM

That's true because almost every time in the past that somebody has successfully developed such a device they are either threatened, bought off, arrested or killed.

Please do elaborate on these.

Has been done already link. A search on google give lots of results too

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