(Suggestion) New sub-forum for novelty coins

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Quote from: DooMAD on December 30, 2013, 07:04:49 PM

If it were me, I'd go for:

Alternate Cryptocurrencies
/ New Coin Launches
/ Giveaways
/ Other Discussion

This doesn't look too bad, but I'd still scrap "Other" or just make it "General Discussion". I'm not a regular user of the Alt CC subforum, so you'd probably have better insight than I would on this. I do see a lot of Giveaway threads and the New Coin Launches would probably be a good subforum as well.

I agree with most of the mods, too, though. Once an alt coin has gotten to be as big as LTC or PPC, it's probably better served by having its own forum set up entirely.

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Quote from: DooMAD on December 30, 2013, 07:04:49 PM

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If a thread I replied to 4 hours ago is already on page 6, then it's an incredibly busy forum and could do with being spread out a bit.

Like to completely separate forums? Grin

I can certainly understand why people feel that way, but like it or not, this place is a victim of it's own success. Of all the places on the internet where people talk about cryptocurrency, this place is #1.

So you have to ask yourself what's best for the future of cryptocurrencies. Obviously you feel it's best if scam coins and novelty coins aren't posted about here, since it tarnishes the reputation of Bitcoin. But I'd argue that it's better they're discussed here, where veterans can tell the newbs that it's a scam or a waste of time. If you pack the newbs off to some dark and dirty corner of the net to talk about the next insert-meme-here-coin, they're going to get ripped off and assume that all cryptos are a con. I'd say that will lead to more people being given a bad impression and would lead to less adoption of Bitcoin overall.

Keep the discussion here, where people can keep watch and prevent scams. Even if you feel Bitcoin doesn't "need" alts to succeed, that fact is that they're here and it's better you don't try to sweep them under the carpet and pretend they don't exist, otherwise their reputation could drag yours down with it.

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Quote from: rarkenin on December 30, 2013, 10:28:28 PM

Who's to separate bitcoin general, politics/society, and off-topic? It would be a judgment call. Coins that are obviousl wrong would be moved, those that are somewhat in between would remain as-is unless there's a consensus by the community to move it.

e.g. Dogecoin is obviously novelty, Litecoin really isn't. CrystalCoin could be an example of what is questionable.

And this is why it's best to keep them all together. All you'd get was people bitching that their Dogecoin isn't a novelty and bitching about others that made it into the non-novelty section.

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Quote from: rarkenin on December 30, 2013, 10:43:24 PM

Then take what I followed with from the second part of my post. Whether the creator, as a judgment call, decides that their coin's goal is to be novelty. Though I'm not sure if te honor system really works here well. I do have to agree, the volume in the existing forum is too much for easy handling. At least coin releases should be moved off to a sub-forum and discussion remains.

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Besides the fact that there will be no subforums for Alt Currencies

You really need to accept it. This is a forum about Bitcoin not altcoins. In my opinion most altcoins are novelty coins because they don't interest me and I'm sure others think this too. So, you have your precious novelty forum it's called "alternative cryptocurrencies".

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Then take what I followed with from the second part of my post. Whether the creator, as a judgment call, decides that their coin's goal is to be novelty. Though I'm not sure if te honor system really works here well. I do have to agree, the volume in the existing forum is too much for easy handling. At least coin releases should be moved off to a sub-forum and discussion remains.

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Quote from: rarkenin on December 30, 2013, 10:28:28 PM

Who's to separate bitcoin general, politics/society, and off-topic? It would be a judgment call. Coins that are obviousl wrong would be moved, those that are somewhat in between would remain as-is unless there's a consensus by the community to move it.

e.g. Dogecoin is obviously novelty, Litecoin really isn't. CrystalCoin could be an example of what is questionable.

In a way, the organization reflects what the author believes the coin's goal is and not necessarily what the admins' belief of the goal is.

Gah, but what makes Dogecoin a novelty? It had a higher market cap than Bitcoin for a very very short period of time. What makes Litecoin not a novelty coin, its price, its age? And Crystalcoin isn't out yet, what makes it questionable?

Besides the fact that there will be no subforums for Alt Currencies, and the entire thread is moot, there is also no descrimination positive or negative against any alt coins. There would be no judgement call regarding what is a novelty coin or not, because there are no obvious "wrong" coins. Having a funny name doesn't make a coin a novelty, and having a serious name doesn't make it not a novelty. They are all Alt Coins.

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Who's to separate bitcoin general, politics/society, and off-topic? It would be a judgment call. Coins that are obviousl wrong would be moved, those that are somewhat in between would remain as-is unless there's a consensus by the community to move it.

e.g. Dogecoin is obviously novelty, Litecoin really isn't. CrystalCoin could be an example of what is questionable.

In a way, the organization reflects what the author believes the coin's goal is and not necessarily what the admins' belief of the goal is.

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Quote from: HabbyGab on December 24, 2013, 06:36:33 PM

The Alternate Cryptocurrencies sub-forum has been flooded with all these ridiculous novelty coins. I think Alternate Cryptocurrency forum should be dedicated to cryptocurrencies that actually try to be something more than a joke. Moving all novelty coins to their own forum would clean up the place a lot (most posts are about novelty coins or giveaways, pools, etc. for those coins) and leave more room for actual cryptocurrencies (even though a lot of them are scams but that's a bit harder to fix). Alternate cryptocurrencies are going to become an even bigger joke and the whole reputation of bitcoin and the bitcoin community will also suffer from it if the separation between obvious novelty coins and alternate cryptocurrencies is done.

Who's to say what's a novelty coin and what isn't though?

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Quote from: DooMAD on December 30, 2013, 07:04:49 PM

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If a thread I replied to 4 hours ago is already on page 6, then it's an incredibly busy forum and could do with being spread out a bit.

Like to completely separate forums? Grin

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Quote from: Raize on December 25, 2013, 04:04:31 AM

Quote from: SaltySpitoon on December 25, 2013, 01:29:23 AM

I decided a long time ago that I would not be the judge of a coins validity. If its a good idea, people will use it, if its a stupid coin, it will die. No more fair way than that. As long as the creator isn't putting malware into the wallet, I don't care if someone decides to make SUPERULTRABESTCOIN or anything else.

On this note, though, perhaps having some sort of a breakdown based on PoW/PoS would be a decent way to categorize them?

Alternate Cryptocurrencies
* Proof-of-Work only
** SHA256-based
** Scrypt-based
** Other
* Proof-of-Stake also
** SHA256-based
** Scrypt-based
** Other

Would this be a determinative classification system? I don't even know if there are Proof-of-Stake Scrypt-based coins, but this would be a way to categorize them without classifying them or strictly picking winners or losers...

If it were me, I'd go for:

Alternate Cryptocurrencies
/ New Coin Launches
/ Giveaways
/ Other Discussion

Since those seem to be the main varieties of topic and it would put them all in the same place.

If a thread I replied to 4 hours ago is already on page 6, then it's an incredibly busy forum and could do with being spread out a bit.

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Quote from: R2D221 on December 30, 2013, 05:13:25 PM

Quote from: hilariousandco on December 29, 2013, 07:41:45 AM

A lot of them have now moved on to Catcoin and Kittehcoin. Why? I have no idea.

That's easy. People in the Internet love cats more than dogs.

I'm a person on the internet and I prefer dogs.

There's a Ron Paul coin now: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/error-389070

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Quote from: hilariousandco on December 29, 2013, 07:41:45 AM

A lot of them have now moved on to Catcoin and Kittehcoin. Why? I have no idea.

That's easy. People in the Internet love cats more than dogs.

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Quote from: jackjack on December 29, 2013, 07:38:04 AM

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Quote from: bitpop on December 29, 2013, 07:02:58 AM

I'm sad to say it but dogcoin did bring Bitcoin to the attention of many many new people

To whose Bitcoin is a joke now
Great, Bitcoin really needed that

Or switched from dog because dog was the joke

I may be wrong (I'd like to) but I don't think it's what happens

A lot of them have now moved on to Catcoin and Kittehcoin. Why? I have no idea.

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Quote from: jackjack on December 29, 2013, 07:29:28 AM

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I'm sad to say it but dogcoin did bring Bitcoin to the attention of many many new people

To whose Bitcoin is a joke now
Great, Bitcoin really needed that

Or switched from dog because dog was the joke

I may be wrong (I'd like to) but I don't think it's what happens

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Quote from: jackjack on December 29, 2013, 07:29:28 AM

Quote from: bitpop on December 29, 2013, 07:02:58 AM

I'm sad to say it but dogcoin did bring Bitcoin to the attention of many many new people

To whose Bitcoin is a joke now
Great, Bitcoin really needed that

Or switched from dog because dog was the joke

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Quote from: bitpop on December 29, 2013, 07:02:58 AM

I'm sad to say it but dogcoin did bring Bitcoin to the attention of many many new people

To whose Bitcoin is a joke now
Great, Bitcoin really needed that

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I'm sad to say it but dogcoin did bring Bitcoin to the attention of many many new people

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Quote from: Dogecoin on December 28, 2013, 05:40:02 PM

Sorry, I should have used this topic instead of created my own --

I think, even though this is a bitcoin forum first, we have to recognize two things:
1) Altcoins MUST start and maintain a thread here, or they are considered shady
2) Altcoins need Bitcoin, and Bitcoin needs altcoins. Altcoins are worthless without bitcoin, and Bitcoin's growth is stunted without altcoins.

Right now the altcoin area is a complete cesspool disaster, and I feel somewhat responsible (sorry...), so I think it would be good to at least have a subforum for, say, giveaways. And maybe speculation or something like that.

No
Be thankful for even having an altcoin forum

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Bitcoin's growth is stunted without altcoins.

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Quote from: -ck on December 29, 2013, 05:29:34 AM

Quote from: Dogecoin on December 28, 2013, 05:40:02 PM

Bitcoin's growth is stunted without altcoins.

Please explain?

That's what's called a wish fulfilment fantasy.

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Quote from: Dogecoin on December 28, 2013, 05:40:02 PM

Sorry, I should have used this topic instead of created my own --

I think, even though this is a bitcoin forum first, we have to recognize two things:
1) Altcoins MUST start and maintain a thread here, or they are considered shady
2) Altcoins need Bitcoin, and Bitcoin needs altcoins. Altcoins are worthless without bitcoin, and Bitcoin's growth is stunted without altcoins.

Right now the altcoin area is a complete cesspool disaster, and I feel somewhat responsible (sorry...), so I think it would be good to at least have a subforum for, say, giveaways. And maybe speculation or something like that.

Did you have a personal discussion with mister Bitcoin and he told you that?
The only argument I have ever seen about the alt is that they increase popularity of cryptos in general. But this sometimes is a double edge sword.

From being called a ponzi scheme by a few to being called a joke by half of the world , I prefer the ponzi label for cryptos.

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