Bitcoin's growth is stunted without altcoins.
Please explain? 
Topic: (Suggestion) New sub-forum for novelty coins - page 2. (Read 3042 times)
Sorry, I should have used this topic instead of created my own --
I think, even though this is a bitcoin forum first, we have to recognize two things:
1) Altcoins MUST start and maintain a thread here, or they are considered shady
2) Altcoins need Bitcoin, and Bitcoin needs altcoins. Altcoins are worthless without bitcoin, and Bitcoin's growth is stunted without altcoins.
Right now the altcoin area is a complete cesspool disaster, and I feel somewhat responsible (sorry...), so I think it would be good to at least have a subforum for, say, giveaways. And maybe speculation or something like that.
I think, even though this is a bitcoin forum first, we have to recognize two things:
1) Altcoins MUST start and maintain a thread here, or they are considered shady
2) Altcoins need Bitcoin, and Bitcoin needs altcoins. Altcoins are worthless without bitcoin, and Bitcoin's growth is stunted without altcoins.
Right now the altcoin area is a complete cesspool disaster, and I feel somewhat responsible (sorry...), so I think it would be good to at least have a subforum for, say, giveaways. And maybe speculation or something like that.
Only namecoin should be allowed period
Imagine if bitcoin was all in one sub-forum.
That is entirely the point of having a single altcoin section. If it's sufficiently inconvienient to discuss altcoins here maybe they'll move to their own forum.I think bothering to create their own forum is too much work for some of these altcoin developers. And all these altcoin forums are usually dead anyway. Even Litcoin's forum gets hardly any activity.
I consider that most of them are coming here because of the already established forum ,with lots of members looking for some quick cash from mining , targeted customers I would say.
If they start their own forum , it will take them a few years to gain the popularity they can achieve here with 10 shills and 2 giveaways from their premined coins.
Even though Dogecoin has its own site and apparently "incredible active community", I think the main development or help is dished out via the Dogecoin thread in Alt Currencies here, so that's why we get all these stupid newbs posting their nonsense to get out of newbie jail so they can ask their stupid questions in that forum.
Nope, their most active spot is /r/dogecoin with user count exceeding /r/litecoin.
...In the end, everyone will subconsciously find flaws in the coin they don't hold in large numbers.
It's like a newbie (student) to the world of crypto, comes to BTCtalk (head university) and it opens a whole world in front of them, they can choose their own coin (subject). Unlike coin specific forums.
That's the beauty of Bitcointalk, it's the epicentre of crypto world.
I trade 1 Satoshi for all the posters in r/dogecoin.
Sometimes quality is needed before quantity.
It's time create Altcoin-Subforum for "Giveaways".
Even for in altcoins interested people its impossible to read, because of 100.000 giveaway-threads.
Even for in altcoins interested people its impossible to read, because of 100.000 giveaway-threads.
I second that. Maybe another subforum for Altcoin services too.
Imagine if bitcoin was all in one sub-forum.
That is entirely the point of having a single altcoin section. If it's sufficiently inconvienient to discuss altcoins here maybe they'll move to their own forum.I think bothering to create their own forum is too much work for some of these altcoin developers. And all these altcoin forums are usually dead anyway. Even Litcoin's forum gets hardly any activity.
I consider that most of them are coming here because of the already established forum ,with lots of members looking for some quick cash from mining , targeted customers I would say.
If they start their own forum , it will take them a few years to gain the popularity they can achieve here with 10 shills and 2 giveaways from their premined coins.
Even though Dogecoin has its own site and apparently "incredible active community", I think the main development or help is dished out via the Dogecoin thread in Alt Currencies here, so that's why we get all these stupid newbs posting their nonsense to get out of newbie jail so they can ask their stupid questions in that forum.
Nope, their most active spot is /r/dogecoin with user count exceeding /r/litecoin.
...In the end, everyone will subconsciously find flaws in the coin they don't hold in large numbers.
It's like a newbie (student) to the world of crypto, comes to BTCtalk (head university) and it opens a whole world in front of them, they can choose their own coin (subject). Unlike coin specific forums.
That's the beauty of Bitcointalk, it's the epicentre of crypto world.
Maybe when new users create an account on this forum the altcoin area should be added to their ignore board list by default, so they have to opt in to see it.
A lot of coins have special features, Litecoin was the first to use Scrypt
Tenebrix was the first to use scrypt, then Fairbrix, and then Litecoin.
Are you sure? I remember mining Tenebrix in terms of Megahash.
*Edit* Nope, you are right, Tenebrix was Sept 25th 2011, Fairbrix was Oct 2nd 2011, and Litecoin was Oct 9th 2011, and yes they are all scrypt.
Anyway, yeah subforums would be lovely, but I don't think we are going to get them. I've lost count of how many times its been asked for.
And yes,
That is entirely the point of having a single altcoin section. If it's sufficiently inconvienient to discuss altcoins here maybe they'll move to their own forum.
That is the point of not adding features to the Alt Coin section. If you want a place to discuss your coin in depth, to its own forum you should go.
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Imagine if bitcoin was all in one sub-forum.
That is entirely the point of having a single altcoin section. If it's sufficiently inconvienient to discuss altcoins here maybe they'll move to their own forum.I think bothering to create their own forum is too much work for some of these altcoin developers. And all these altcoin forums are usually dead anyway. Even Litcoin's forum gets hardly any activity.
I consider that most of them are coming here because of the already established forum ,with lots of members looking for some quick cash from mining , targeted customers I would say.
If they start their own forum , it will take them a few years to gain the popularity they can achieve here with 10 shills and 2 giveaways from their premined coins.
Even though Dogecoin has its own site and apparently "incredible active community", I think the main development or help is dished out via the Dogecoin thread in Alt Currencies here, so that's why we get all these stupid newbs posting their nonsense to get out of newbie jail so they can ask their stupid questions in that forum.
Imagine if bitcoin was all in one sub-forum.
That is entirely the point of having a single altcoin section. If it's sufficiently inconvienient to discuss altcoins here maybe they'll move to their own forum.I think bothering to create their own forum is too much work for some of these altcoin developers. And all these altcoin forums are usually dead anyway. Even Litcoin's forum gets hardly any activity.
I consider that most of them are coming here because of the already established forum ,with lots of members looking for some quick cash from mining , targeted customers I would say.
If they start their own forum , it will take them a few years to gain the popularity they can achieve here with 10 shills and 2 giveaways from their premined coins.
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Imagine if bitcoin was all in one sub-forum.
That is entirely the point of having a single altcoin section. If it's sufficiently inconvienient to discuss altcoins here maybe they'll move to their own forum.I think bothering to create their own forum is too much work for some of these altcoin developers. And all these altcoin forums are usually dead anyway. Even Litcoin's forum gets hardly any activity.
A lot of coins have special features, Litecoin was the first to use Scrypt
Tenebrix was the first to use scrypt, then Fairbrix, and then Litecoin.
Imagine if bitcoin was all in one sub-forum.
That is entirely the point of having a single altcoin section. If it's sufficiently inconvienient to discuss altcoins here maybe they'll move to their own forum.
I guess you people are right. But I still believe a separation of some kind would be good to clean up the forum. Like a sub-forum for coin promotion and services. Most posts on alternate cryptocurrencies is about services for a specific altcoin (or a set of altcoins) instead of discussion of an altcoin or altcoins in general. If all the pool threads and giveaway threads were moved to another sub-forum, it would clear up space in the forum for discussion about altcoins and announcement threads. Even bitcoin is cut into several sub-forums based on what kind of discussion it is, so why not altcoins? The forum is getting pretty filled with mostly generic giveaways and service promotion. I still think novelty coins should be separated, but I guess the biggest practical problem right now on the forum and why I would suggest cleaning it is because it's getting filled with generic promotion threads, leaving little room for other altcoin discussion. Imagine if bitcoin was all in one sub-forum.
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As others have said, who decides what a novelty or shitcoin etc is?. This is a Bitcoin forum, and the alt currency section is fine for all the others. Yeah, it's a mess, but you don't have to go in there if you don't want, or only have to subscribe or check threads of coins that you're interested in.
I decided a long time ago that I would not be the judge of a coins validity. If its a good idea, people will use it, if its a stupid coin, it will die. No more fair way than that. As long as the creator isn't putting malware into the wallet, I don't care if someone decides to make SUPERULTRABESTCOIN or anything else.
On this note, though, perhaps having some sort of a breakdown based on PoW/PoS would be a decent way to categorize them?
Alternate Cryptocurrencies
* Proof-of-Work only
** SHA256-based
** Scrypt-based
** Other
* Proof-of-Stake also
** SHA256-based
** Scrypt-based
** Other
Would this be a determinative classification system? I don't even know if there are Proof-of-Stake Scrypt-based coins, but this would be a way to categorize them without classifying them or strictly picking winners or losers...
It's time create Altcoin-Subforum for "Giveaways".
Even for in altcoins interested people its impossible to read, because of 100.000 giveaway-threads.
Its in your forum settings, look around.
Even for in altcoins interested people its impossible to read, because of 100.000 giveaway-threads.
And I feel that all non-bitcoins should be removed from these forums!
Look at you're "unread posts since last visit" and see half of the page is Alternate Cryptocurrencies
This is the Bitcointalk forums!
I think you can ignore subforums (in your case the altcoin forum) from this view/list.Look at you're "unread posts since last visit" and see half of the page is Alternate Cryptocurrencies
This is the Bitcointalk forums!
Its in your forum settings, look around.
If I will ever try to teach my mom about how to use a wallet , I'll end up in a mental facility before I manage to teach her.
So , from my point of view you can't really consider something being difficult unless you also take into account what drives you to use that thing.
Isn't bitcoin 10 times harder to use than PP ? But there is some incentive to do that , and with tpb(piratebay) domains falling one after other .... I think you get my point.It won't be as harder in the future to set the the .bit dns up , considering the benefits.
Also , I specifically said in my post "prove that it works" regarding to alt coins. Because when speaking about their features , you have used past tense for most of them.
So , from my point of view you can't really consider something being difficult unless you also take into account what drives you to use that thing.
Isn't bitcoin 10 times harder to use than PP ? But there is some incentive to do that , and with tpb(piratebay) domains falling one after other .... I think you get my point.It won't be as harder in the future to set the the .bit dns up , considering the benefits.
Also , I specifically said in my post "prove that it works" regarding to alt coins. Because when speaking about their features , you have used past tense for most of them.
Very true, I've had nothing but resistance trying to teach people about Bitcoin, I agree it has a pretty steep learning curve, and if you aren't technically savvy coming in, you have little to no hope. However, its gotten a lot more user friendly in the last years.
Using a .bit domain requires even technically savvy people to jump through hoops, so I'd say it will be a while before they are used. As far as my use of past tense, some it it may have been unintentional, as I was speaking out how they were made in the past. Rucoin has kind of disappeared, as well as Solidcoin, but Litecoin's use of Scrypt has been rather important, Primecoin's use of other hashing algorithms has also been important, as it provides options should any of the existing hashing algorithms be cracked, making it necessary for existing coins to jump to a different hashing algorithm. The proof of stake concept is an interesting one as well with real applications possible, and I believe the concept of Colored Coins was thought of during Alt Coin research, which has been debated thoroughly whether or not it should or could be implemented into the Bitcoin protocol.
If I will ever try to teach my mom about how to use a wallet , I'll end up in a mental facility before I manage to teach her.
So , from my point of view you can't really consider something being difficult unless you also take into account what drives you to use that thing.
Isn't bitcoin 10 times harder to use than PP ? But there is some incentive to do that , and with tpb(piratebay) domains falling one after other .... I think you get my point.It won't be as harder in the future to set the the .bit dns up , considering the benefits.
Also , I specifically said in my post "prove that it works" regarding to alt coins. Because when speaking about their features , you have used past tense for most of them.
So , from my point of view you can't really consider something being difficult unless you also take into account what drives you to use that thing.
Isn't bitcoin 10 times harder to use than PP ? But there is some incentive to do that , and with tpb(piratebay) domains falling one after other .... I think you get my point.It won't be as harder in the future to set the the .bit dns up , considering the benefits.
Also , I specifically said in my post "prove that it works" regarding to alt coins. Because when speaking about their features , you have used past tense for most of them.
Namecoin has the alternative dns thingy behind , so it has something special compared to any other coin.
Until somebody comes with something totally new rather than messing with block reward/time and it proves it works , I consider all the alts as day trading activity.
Until somebody comes with something totally new rather than messing with block reward/time and it proves it works , I consider all the alts as day trading activity.
Namecoin has the alternative dns thing which is incredibly difficult to set up, and rather impractical, so no one uses them to buy .bit addresses. A lot of coins have special features, Litecoin was the first to use Scrypt, Solidcoin I believe was the earliest alt coin including a few different features, such as block signing nodes (didn't go over so well). Peercoin was the first Proof of Stake coin iirc, Primecoin uses a completely different algorithm based on prime number chains. Rucoin used a dual blockchain system, allowing you to mine Scrypt or Sha, other coins tinkered with the feasibility of faster confirmations, different block sizes, etc. Whether people believe that Alt Coins have a future vs Bitcoin, or whether they will all be supersceded, its undeniable that Alt Coins have done tremendously in terms of research and exploring the bounds of Crypto Currencies.
Thats why I find that no alt coins are stupid, or novelty coins. Dogecoin in particular will test whether Crypto Currencies derive their value solely by being a mathmatically secure form of barter, or whether people can make coins with buzzwords in them for advertising, and gain popularity, value, and therefor usefulness from there.
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