I always liked watching sumo fights very much and it is the first time I hear the results are rigged. Well, that is a pitty for sumo's organizers to let it happen for time enough to become a scandal involving at least dozens of wrestlers. With this, I believe they weak their traditions and lose respect from the public. Unfortunatelly from now on I'm going to watch sumo with other eyes.
And as the matches are rigged, it's not a good idea to bet on them, because even if you are a great enthusiast of the sport and know everything about it, your analysis about the athletes will be worthless, since their skills don't decide anything on the game.
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As I'm saying, don't hate all of them. You can hate those that are involved but don't generalize the entire team or management because there were some of those that have been part of it.
That's what I'm saying, you hate those who really are part and became involved but don't include those innocent players or staffs of the management.
I agree with you. If you want to hate, just hate a person rigging the game, not the other player, because they are not guilty. The other player who does not rig the sports is not part of the person who rigged the sports but is a victim because they are in the one team. That's what I'm saying, you hate those who really are part and became involved but don't include those innocent players or staffs of the management.
That is why if there is a game that looks suspicious, people can not do anything except report it. But we should not surprise if somehow, Sumo or popular or not popular sports is rigged because that can happen to any sports.
But if you want to have some fun and watch most of the games about sumo, we're all free to do it. Hate or love it as long as you think that you're doing the right thing and you are sparing those who are not involved in such rigging, that's your decision.
As I'm saying, don't hate all of them. You can hate those that are involved but don't generalize the entire team or management because there were some of those that have been part of it.
That's what I'm saying, you hate those who really are part and became involved but don't include those innocent players or staffs of the management.
I agree with you. If you want to hate, just hate a person rigging the game, not the other player, because they are not guilty. The other player who does not rig the sports is not part of the person who rigged the sports but is a victim because they are in the one team. That's what I'm saying, you hate those who really are part and became involved but don't include those innocent players or staffs of the management.
That is why if there is a game that looks suspicious, people can not do anything except report it. But we should not surprise if somehow, Sumo or popular or not popular sports is rigged because that can happen to any sports.
It has been said that Sumo, the Japanese fighting sport is not as clean as it should be. Apparently, in the maximum cathegory - short of a premier league - there is tendency to let win those who need to win in order to remain in that cathegory. This was studied and mentioned later on a book called Freakconomics.
An article here-
Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?
Sure? Japan allows this to happen? i believe that Japan is one of the most Honest government in the world(though of course there are still some crooks inside) but i don't expect that they will let the disrespect to their own game, their cultural and very own game will be rigged just like this.An article here-
Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?
If we know or at least get a leak about who will win which may be arranged by an organization or whatever, then of course whoever bets with these guidelines will bring him a very good profit. When you get the right information then of course you will bet all in so yes, any cheating in gambling and / or any sport is of course very detrimental to those who bet normally. I can't imagine how athletes who are paid for such arrangements, they train day by day but when the game starts they are ordered to lose so obviously it is a loss for him too. 
if your conscience will allow you to feel not guilty then why not right? 
If we know or at least get a leak about who will win which may be arranged by an organization or whatever, then of course whoever bets with these guidelines will bring him a very good profit. When you get the right information then of course you will bet all in so yes, any cheating in gambling and / or any sport is of course very detrimental to those who bet normally. I can't imagine how athletes who are paid for such arrangements, they train day by day but when the game starts they are ordered to lose so obviously it is a loss for him too.
It's a horrible situation for them, but they always have a choice. They can refuse to participate in cheating. They won't be killed for that, nor will they go to jail or something. I understand that it can be hard to go against the will of your manager/coach or whatever, but after all it's up to you, to support unfairness or not.
As always, it's about the money! If a player can earn more with cheating (a lot more) he will probably go that way! ~
He will surely go the honest way in that case, without even considering cheating! If one is able to earn good money legally, it's pretty stupid to put that ability at risk.
Especially if a player has a big need for money (loans, huge bills, health issues, or some other situation that needs a lot of money to be taken care of), and he knows that he can't earn that money on a regular and honest way!
I don't like to sound judgmental, but imo one can always find an excuse for illegal actions. Even putting the morality aside, engaging in illegal activity" is always bad for a person. Cheating may help you gain something short term, but the thing is that once you've started, you keep going that way, and in the long term it's always a disaster.
Now I'm losing respect to the Sumo management , in past when i was young ? i really pay big respect to Sumo wrestlers because i Know hows their discipline and how to manage maintaining their health all those years.
But now that there is this kind of think? maybe i will stop watching and playing in games connected to this Japanese originated sports.
Don't lose respect for all of them. It's the same as any organization that when there's good staff and honest ones, some of them are corrupt and not working well.But now that there is this kind of think? maybe i will stop watching and playing in games connected to this Japanese originated sports.
Don't think all of them are involved in rigging their games and just like any sporting event, not all of them are aware of it. But if that's what you think and you want to stop watching those games, that's your point and no one can question you with that.
on where you do generalize when you do particular hate a certain sport just because of that rigging issue.
Well, its your own decision but its not bad to give out some opinions as well regarding on that manner.
That's what I'm saying, you hate those who really are part and became involved but don't include those innocent players or staffs of the management.
Profit talking about rigged games is impossible because you dont know if its rigged or not and those information cant really be known easily
unless if youre part of a mafia then for sure you would know.
Lots of instances where calls of rigged games can be seen but nothing has been proven out.
Now I'm losing respect to the Sumo management , in past when i was young ? i really pay big respect to Sumo wrestlers because i Know hows their discipline and how to manage maintaining their health all those years.
But now that there is this kind of think? maybe i will stop watching and playing in games connected to this Japanese originated sports.
Don't lose respect for all of them. It's the same as any organization that when there's good staff and honest ones, some of them are corrupt and not working well.But now that there is this kind of think? maybe i will stop watching and playing in games connected to this Japanese originated sports.
Don't think all of them are involved in rigging their games and just like any sporting event, not all of them are aware of it. But if that's what you think and you want to stop watching those games, that's your point and no one can question you with that.
on where you do generalize when you do particular hate a certain sport just because of that rigging issue.
Well, its your own decision but its not bad to give out some opinions as well regarding on that manner.
That's what I'm saying, you hate those who really are part and became involved but don't include those innocent players or staffs of the management.
How about those rigging games of some of basketball sports? Do you tend to hate them up? Its not just right to have this kind of mentality
on where you do generalize when you do particular hate a certain sport just because of that rigging issue.
Well, its your own decision but its not bad to give out some opinions as well regarding on that manner.
We can not do anything except hate those who rigged the game, especially in basketball sports and we hope that the person who rigging can get caught and punish because of what he did. It is not easy to open the rigged games or investigate the sports that suspect getting rigged because those like an organization will hide the activity from anyone. We can do if we know about the rigged is report it to the authorities and ask them to investigate any possibility but make sure we can report to the clean officer, although that will also not be easy. on where you do generalize when you do particular hate a certain sport just because of that rigging issue.
Well, its your own decision but its not bad to give out some opinions as well regarding on that manner.
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maybe, just watch for entertainment purposes only. but not to the point of betting. because let's admit, this sports is fun to watch. so if you are not betting, you don't have to worry about possible rigging of the match. as you are just a viewer trying to enjoy watching the sports.
rigging will always be there, not only in this sports but all the other sports. as long as there are greedy individuals involved, rigging will exist.
Now I'm losing respect to the Sumo management , in past when i was young ? i really pay big respect to Sumo wrestlers because i Know hows their discipline and how to manage maintaining their health all those years.
But now that there is this kind of think? maybe i will stop watching and playing in games connected to this Japanese originated sports.
Don't lose respect for all of them. It's the same as any organization that when there's good staff and honest ones, some of them are corrupt and not working well.But now that there is this kind of think? maybe i will stop watching and playing in games connected to this Japanese originated sports.
Don't think all of them are involved in rigging their games and just like any sporting event, not all of them are aware of it. But if that's what you think and you want to stop watching those games, that's your point and no one can question you with that.
on where you do generalize when you do particular hate a certain sport just because of that rigging issue.
Well, its your own decision but its not bad to give out some opinions as well regarding on that manner.
Now I'm losing respect to the Sumo management , in past when i was young ? i really pay big respect to Sumo wrestlers because i Know hows their discipline and how to manage maintaining their health all those years.
But now that there is this kind of think? maybe i will stop watching and playing in games connected to this Japanese originated sports.
Don't lose respect for all of them. It's the same as any organization that when there's good staff and honest ones, some of them are corrupt and not working well.But now that there is this kind of think? maybe i will stop watching and playing in games connected to this Japanese originated sports.
Don't think all of them are involved in rigging their games and just like any sporting event, not all of them are aware of it. But if that's what you think and you want to stop watching those games, that's your point and no one can question you with that.
Now I'm losing respect to the Sumo management , in past when i was young ? i really pay big respect to Sumo wrestlers because i Know hows their discipline and how to manage maintaining their health all those years.
But now that there is this kind of think? maybe i will stop watching and playing in games connected to this Japanese originated sports.
maybe, just watch for entertainment purposes only. but not to the point of betting. because let's admit, this sports is fun to watch. so if you are not betting, you don't have to worry about possible rigging of the match. as you are just a viewer trying to enjoy watching the sports.
rigging will always be there, not only in this sports but all the other sports. as long as there are greedy individuals involved, rigging will exist.
It has been said that Sumo, the Japanese fighting sport is not as clean as it should be. Apparently, in the maximum cathegory - short of a premier league - there is tendency to let win those who need to win in order to remain in that cathegory. This was studied and mentioned later on a book called Freakconomics.
An article here-
Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?
Now I'm losing respect to the Sumo management , in past when i was young ? i really pay big respect to Sumo wrestlers because i Know hows their discipline and how to manage maintaining their health all those years.An article here-
Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?
But now that there is this kind of think? maybe i will stop watching and playing in games connected to this Japanese originated sports.
Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?
Yes, of course, if you know who's going to win and who's going to lose in a game, he has a chance, to win big money, but make sure that all the information that he is receiving are all correct and coming from a reliable source, the worst thing that can happen is for you to pour a lot of money and end up losing because of unreliable information.
You can, if you know who rigged it and talk to them to be able to know who's gonna win the match for you to make profits, but if you don't know who and you don't have any connections inside, then probably you'll never make a profit on every match unless you're lucky enough to hit the right player to bet on. Gambling is already hard and rigging it will just make your winning chances go to zero percent.
You can't talk with officials if they are involves with this, the best solution if you know if someone running a competition like this is to avoid if you know they are rigged since its nonsense to bet on rigged sports and I'm sure many gamblers will not enjoy to see the result at the end of the fight.
You can, if you know who rigged it and talk to them to be able to know who's gonna win the match for you to make profits, but if you don't know who and you don't have any connections inside, then probably you'll never make a profit on every match unless you're lucky enough to hit the right player to bet on. Gambling is already hard and rigging it will just make your winning chances go to zero percent.
In a tournament as this it takes years of studying the teams to know who would likely be favoured in big tournaments. I am not surprised if this kind of game would be rigged it's looking like a fight so staged to entertain it's audience and not necessarily to inflict injuries on it's participants. Before betting in a game of this kind I would do a top down analysis. Checking on past history the performances of each athletes and how long each has been in the tournament as well as who has fame and more fans. I think judging by this would give me a upper hand.
If that game is rigged, it is hard for us to analyze which team or the athlete can win, and even if we can get the right team or athlete, we will hard to win.Maybe their reason for rigging the game is that they want to entertain the audience, but that is the wrong thing.
It will be hard for the team or player to conceive what they will get in the future if they are the rigging player for getting more money.
The audience will not accept that thing and maybe they will report that to the authorities, especially if they can get the proves.
It has been said that Sumo, the Japanese fighting sport is not as clean as it should be. Apparently, in the maximum cathegory - short of a premier league - there is tendency to let win those who need to win in order to remain in that cathegory. This was studied and mentioned later on a book called Freakconomics.
Well if that is the case than i am not sure if this can be called rigging in the sense of outside interference and bribing? I mean it sounds more like a unwritten rule between the participants of the highest league that they just don't go all out against a opponent that might get relegated if they would lose that match. Of course that is still not a right thing to do but the reasons why they are doing it are not because of manipulation but because of traditions. If bettors know about this fact though than i think it is a good opportunity to place a bet their on the underdog, because it could give you some nice return.
In a tournament as this it takes years of studying the teams to know who would likely be favoured in big tournaments. I am not surprised if this kind of game would be rigged it's looking like a fight so staged to entertain it's audience and not necessarily to inflict injuries on it's participants. Before betting in a game of this kind I would do a top down analysis. Checking on past history the performances of each athletes and how long each has been in the tournament as well as who has fame and more fans. I think judging by this would give me a upper hand.
If we know or at least get a leak about who will win which may be arranged by an organization or whatever, then of course whoever bets with these guidelines will bring him a very good profit. When you get the right information then of course you will bet all in so yes, any cheating in gambling and / or any sport is of course very detrimental to those who bet normally. I can't imagine how athletes who are paid for such arrangements, they train day by day but when the game starts they are ordered to lose so obviously it is a loss for him too.
It's a horrible situation for them, but they always have a choice. They can refuse to participate in cheating. They won't be killed for that, nor will they go to jail or something. I understand that it can be hard to go against the will of your manager/coach or whatever, but after all it's up to you, to support unfairness or not.
As always, it's about the money! If a player can earn more with cheating (a lot more) he will probably go that way! Especially if a player has a big need for money (loans, huge bills, health issues, or some other situation that needs a lot of money to be taken care of), and he knows that he can't earn that money on a regular and honest way!
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Is Sumo rigged?
In 2000, in both speeches and a tell-all book, former wrestler Keisuke Itai stated that up to 80% of sumo bouts were fixed. In 2007, Shūkan Gendai reported that yokozuna Asashōryū had been paying wrestlers to throw matches to him.
In 2000, in both speeches and a tell-all book, former wrestler Keisuke Itai stated that up to 80% of sumo bouts were fixed. In 2007, Shūkan Gendai reported that yokozuna Asashōryū had been paying wrestlers to throw matches to him.
This topic reminded me of something I read recently! The yakuza members are no longer welcome at Sumo games! They are not allowed to participate in any way, and to even be at the tournaments!
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The yakuza are no longer welcome at tournaments - and surveillance cameras are being used to try to keep them out of the audience.
But the damage to Japan's national sport has been done.
But the damage to Japan's national sport has been done.
The article from 2010, check it out: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-11390278#:~:text=The%20yakuza%20are%20no%20longer,crime%2C%22%20says%20Jake%20Adelstein.
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