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Quote from: Fredomago on May 14, 2021, 07:49:03 PM

if you know that the game is rigged and you have that go signal from those who are rigging the game then who needs luck right?

Yeah right but I would not do such things even if I know because in such cases where a game is rigged and later during enquiry they reveal then the bets are checked and unusual patterns are checked and then they trace the bettors. In case of crypto maybe you can get away because of the decentralized and anonymous nature of Bitcoins but still why take so much risks a few hundred bucks? Because no site will allow you to bet massive on unknown or small level events that are more prone to fixing.

Quote from: Fredomago on May 14, 2021, 07:49:03 PM

In every sports this kind of activities are present, you just need to go deeper and know who are the people behind it to have a safer journey with your betting investment

Mate, are you seriously saying that one should do deep with fixing and all? I mean one can be jailed and penalized for such things because match-fixing is not a small offense.

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Quote from: paxmao on May 11, 2021, 05:33:35 PM

It has been said that Sumo, the Japanese fighting sport is not as clean as it should be. Apparently, in the maximum cathegory - short of a premier league - there is tendency to let win those who need to win in order to remain in that cathegory. This was studied and mentioned later on a book called Freakconomics.

An article here-

Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?

First time i ever heard that you can bet on sumo . Wierd and to even rig it its insane. What sportsbooks offer this ?
Probobly only in japan or china this is available for betting.

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Quote from: Twentyonepaylots on May 13, 2021, 05:31:23 PM

It can still be profitable if that's the case. Just pick which games and matches you wanna bet on that will at least give you the semblance that there's no foul play going on. You could always obviously see when the game is rigged anyway by observing the subtle behaviors and mannerisms dropped by each competitor. Use it to your advantage, and win games even when the odds are stacked against you.

Uhh... I think you can't do that on an ongoing match because I'm sure you are asked to place your bet first before each contestants fight in the ring. Even in other sports you can't guess that it's a rigged game until you notice some unusual behavior of each players towards the others. And I'm sure you already placed your bet before the fight started.

The only one who could ensure the price is the one that plans to rigged the whole game. It would take luck to win in this kind of game/sports but if you have someone from the inside that could tip you some information about of rigging the game, then consider yourself lucky.

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Quote from: tabas on May 14, 2021, 05:24:21 PM

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Even with the rigged games we need luck to win. We can make sure of the winner, but the same won't happen with every series. Based on the article it seems like, every season a particular player is selected to make a win. Maybe the one who is watching the sumo fights for a long term can make the perfect prediction based on the popularity over a period of time.

It's gambling so we need luck. But if you're sure that the game is rigged and you've got the signal who's going to win, who needs luck if you're sure that the game will have its winner as said by the management who rigged the game.
And in this sumo game, it's odd to see that games can be rigged or we're not just used to watch it because not all casinos got sumo books.

If that signal is valid, we can easily place the bet and select the right player. But unfortunately, that will not be easy to get the right information since many speculators will say that their choice will be the winner. Maybe the officials arrange who can win this season and who will be the winner for the next season because that can happen in any sports game. But yes, even if that sport getting rigged, we still need the luck to win because if we just that signal and place a big bet, we can have a chance to lose for some money.

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Quote from: tabas on May 14, 2021, 05:24:21 PM

Quote from: Vaskiy on May 14, 2021, 09:06:10 AM

Even with the rigged games we need luck to win. We can make sure of the winner, but the same won't happen with every series. Based on the article it seems like, every season a particular player is selected to make a win. Maybe the one who is watching the sumo fights for a long term can make the perfect prediction based on the popularity over a period of time.

It's gambling so we need luck. But if you're sure that the game is rigged and you've got the signal who's going to win, who needs luck if you're sure that the game will have its winner as said by the management who rigged the game.
And in this sumo game, it's odd to see that games can be rigged or we're not just used to watch it because not all casinos got sumo books.

Exactly! if you know that the game is rigged and you have that go signal from those who are rigging the game then who needs luck right?

In every sports this kind of activities are present, you just need to go deeper and know who are the people behind it to have a safer journey with your betting investment,

Rigth place and right people to work with, that's how you can take advantage from this business.

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Quote from: avikz on May 14, 2021, 04:02:44 AM

There is no games in the world that are not rigged. It's just that few games are easy to rig than others. Sumo wrestling is definitely easier to rig than many other games because there are only two people who playes within the arena.

While I don't support fixing a match in any form or shape. You can still make good profit out of rigged game only if you have contacts with the right people. Otherwise you are doomed.

I don't get it. According to you all individual sports where you contest against another participant in heads to heads are rigged? That means tennis for example is a rigged sport too according to you? I'm sorry but I think you are wrong, Sumo wrestling is a very special sport, with a very closed environment, anyone can't become a sumo wrestler if he wants to, only few strangers are allowed to become sumo wrestler and they are mostly asian.

Sumo is a Japanese national sport and sumo athletes are respected people in Japan, but if you follow the current development of sumo, it is certainly very different from sumo which was once considered sacred, right as said by the OP, now sumo has been infiltrated by mafia (yakuza ) to arrange win or lose in a sumo match and this happens because there are so many sumo supporters who dare to bet large amounts of money to win or lose the match, and like other sports, individual sports are currently not free from cheating (match fixing), if you say tennis cannot be rigged, of course you are wrong, because match fixing scandals can occur even in tournaments like Wimbledon Grand Slam.
If you don't believe it, please do a google search for the scandal made by Starace, Daniel Koellerer and other athletes.

I didn't say tennis cannot be rigged, I said tennis isn't a rigged sport because if it was rigged bookmakers would see it in their statistics and wouldn't offer to bet on it anymore like they did for sumo wrestling. I'm not sure the japanese mafia fix the matchs, because it's well monitored but I think all wrestlers know each other closely and sometimes decide the outcome of the fight between them.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on May 14, 2021, 04:35:38 PM

Quote from: avikz on May 14, 2021, 04:02:44 AM

There is no games in the world that are not rigged. It's just that few games are easy to rig than others. Sumo wrestling is definitely easier to rig than many other games because there are only two people who playes within the arena.

While I don't support fixing a match in any form or shape. You can still make good profit out of rigged game only if you have contacts with the right people. Otherwise you are doomed.

I don't get it. According to you all individual sports where you contest against another participant in heads to heads are rigged? That means tennis for example is a rigged sport too according to you? I'm sorry but I think you are wrong, Sumo wrestling is a very special sport, with a very closed environment, anyone can't become a sumo wrestler if he wants to, only few strangers are allowed to become sumo wrestler and they are mostly asian.

Sumo is a Japanese national sport and sumo athletes are respected people in Japan, but if you follow the current development of sumo, it is certainly very different from sumo which was once considered sacred, right as said by the OP, now sumo has been infiltrated by mafia (yakuza ) to arrange win or lose in a sumo match and this happens because there are so many sumo supporters who dare to bet large amounts of money to win or lose the match, and like other sports, individual sports are currently not free from cheating (match fixing), if you say tennis cannot be rigged, of course you are wrong, because match fixing scandals can occur even in tournaments like Wimbledon Grand Slam.
If you don't believe it, please do a google search for the scandal made by Starace, Daniel Koellerer and other athletes.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on May 14, 2021, 09:06:10 AM

Even with the rigged games we need luck to win. We can make sure of the winner, but the same won't happen with every series. Based on the article it seems like, every season a particular player is selected to make a win. Maybe the one who is watching the sumo fights for a long term can make the perfect prediction based on the popularity over a period of time.

It's gambling so we need luck. But if you're sure that the game is rigged and you've got the signal who's going to win, who needs luck if you're sure that the game will have its winner as said by the management who rigged the game.
And in this sumo game, it's odd to see that games can be rigged or we're not just used to watch it because not all casinos got sumo books.

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Quote from: avikz on May 14, 2021, 04:02:44 AM

There is no games in the world that are not rigged. It's just that few games are easy to rig than others. Sumo wrestling is definitely easier to rig than many other games because there are only two people who playes within the arena.

While I don't support fixing a match in any form or shape. You can still make good profit out of rigged game only if you have contacts with the right people. Otherwise you are doomed.

I don't get it. According to you all individual sports where you contest against another participant in heads to heads are rigged? That means tennis for example is a rigged sport too according to you? I'm sorry but I think you are wrong, Sumo wrestling is a very special sport, with a very closed environment, anyone can't become a sumo wrestler if he wants to, only few strangers are allowed to become sumo wrestler and they are mostly asian.

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usually this kind of fights are more on exhibitions and me as a childish person i loved it hehe but i noticed that mature people like my dad and uncle will favor real fights (ufc and boxing ) and not wrestling or sumo .

Yeah, it's probably an age thing. When one gets older, one stops liking shows and wants something more serious. Although it's been many years since I've watched wrestling, oddly enough I still remember some of the fighters, such as Hulk Hogan, Sting and Rey Mysterio.

Unlike wrestling I never had any interest in sumo so I don't know any of the fighters.

it could be so, the wins and losses of each fighter have been planned. not much different like WWF or WWE battles they only pretend to fight but every punch and kick they make turns out not to hit the target at all

But knowing this early on is impossible and as a bettor you wouldnt know if a certain game is rigged or not.So no one can really tell and its really hard so better to avoid sports
which you doesnt even like to look upon or does interest you even with big leagues these kind of rigging games does really happen but pointing or
seeing it out is really a tough one.

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Even with the rigged games we need luck to win. We can make sure of the winner, but the same won't happen with every series. Based on the article it seems like, every season a particular player is selected to make a win. Maybe the one who is watching the sumo fights for a long term can make the perfect prediction based on the popularity over a period of time.

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Quote from: avikz on May 14, 2021, 04:02:44 AM

There is no games in the world that are not rigged. It's just that few games are easy to rig than others. Sumo wrestling is definitely easier to rig than many other games because there are only two people who playes within the arena.
While I don't support fixing a match in any form or shape. You can still make good profit out of rigged game only if you have contacts with the right people. Otherwise you are doomed.

we cant confirm if no games are not rigged if they wont expose it like sumo did and if all games are rigged why there are games that are smooth ,
we dont notice anything wrong with them and we even place a bet on this games but once we noticed something that is wrong and we confirm that the game is rigged we must stop betting ln them .
we should only support fair games because rigged games are not good for the betting and sports industry .

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Quote from: avikz on May 14, 2021, 04:02:44 AM

There is no games in the world that are not rigged. It's just that few games are easy to rig than others. Sumo wrestling is definitely easier to rig than many other games because there are only two people who playes within the arena.

While I don't support fixing a match in any form or shape. You can still make good profit out of rigged game only if you have contacts with the right people. Otherwise you are doomed.

If people knows a thing or two about integrity then fixing games is not going to be a problem but knowing human behavior that wants to have more than the other humans, virtues isn't going to be a deterrent to them, and they will still do the rigging. That is a difficult thing to happen, to find a connection in the rigging circles means you are an important person in the surface or the underground because only the people at the upper ranks engage in rigging.

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There is no games in the world that are not rigged. It's just that few games are easy to rig than others. Sumo wrestling is definitely easier to rig than many other games because there are only two people who playes within the arena.

While I don't support fixing a match in any form or shape. You can still make good profit out of rigged game only if you have contacts with the right people. Otherwise you are doomed.

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Quote from: goinmerry on May 13, 2021, 04:06:14 AM

Quote from: Darker45 on May 12, 2021, 08:03:08 PM

If there is indeed a particular pattern which shows that there are sumo wrestlers who are made to win only to remain in a certain category, then perhaps your predictions would be narrowed down to certain players which are on the brink of being kicked out. The probability of these sumo wrestlers to win is probably higher.

Good thing I don't need to put myself on that analysis as I never experienced betting in Sumo and I think I neverwill.

I also don't bet on sumo that is why this news does not bother me at all, although I watched short documentaries on this one being treated seriously in Japan. Even the process of young males wishing to become a sumo wrestlers is not easy. They have to undergo hard trainings and strict lifestyle and high intake of carbs. That is why this kind of news will not only destroy the reputation of sumo leagues but also the entire sumo culture.

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Quote from: goinmerry on May 13, 2021, 04:06:14 AM

Quote from: Darker45 on May 12, 2021, 08:03:08 PM

If there is indeed a particular pattern which shows that there are sumo wrestlers who are made to win only to remain in a certain category, then perhaps your predictions would be narrowed down to certain players which are on the brink of being kicked out. The probability of these sumo wrestlers to win is probably higher.

Agree with this as mentioned, there are sumo wrestlers that need to stay or remain on their respective tier whatever the odds.

We, as average gamblers here, will never know if a game will be rigged so by analyzing a pattern (of course only on the suspected rigged games) we can somehow pick a good choice. That was still a tough part.

Good thing I don't need to put myself on that analysis as I never experienced betting in Sumo and I think I neverwill.

Would really be just normal for us not to bet into a particular sport or event that doesnt interest us because i dont see the point on why we would do so.
When it comes to rigging off games then it is really hard to determine until it is busted this is why we cant definitely tell if a game is rigged or not.
Making profits with it would be still hard because no one can even tell which one is a legit game or a rigged one.

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It can still be profitable if that's the case. Just pick which games and matches you wanna bet on that will at least give you the semblance that there's no foul play going on. You could always obviously see when the game is rigged anyway by observing the subtle behaviors and mannerisms dropped by each competitor. Use it to your advantage, and win games even when the odds are stacked against you.

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Quote from: Darker45 on May 12, 2021, 08:03:08 PM

If there is indeed a particular pattern which shows that there are sumo wrestlers who are made to win only to remain in a certain category, then perhaps your predictions would be narrowed down to certain players which are on the brink of being kicked out. The probability of these sumo wrestlers to win is probably higher.

Agree with this as mentioned, there are sumo wrestlers that need to stay or remain on their respective tier whatever the odds.

We, as average gamblers here, will never know if a game will be rigged so by analyzing a pattern (of course only on the suspected rigged games) we can somehow pick a good choice. That was still a tough part.

Good thing I don't need to put myself on that analysis as I never experienced betting in Sumo and I think I neverwill.

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Quote from: paxmao on May 11, 2021, 05:33:35 PM

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Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?
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Yep, that's possible, and I don't mean for those who are rigging the games themselves, but it's possible even for us, regular gamblers. How? We should avoid betting on events we know can be rigged, that's how. It's a known scheme used by various crooks: they make us believe we can benefit from their fraud. Don't fall for that!

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If there is indeed a particular pattern which shows that there are sumo wrestlers who are made to win only to remain in a certain category, then perhaps your predictions would be narrowed down to certain players which are on the brink of being kicked out. The probability of these sumo wrestlers to win is probably higher.

However, the main issue is whether these rumors of arranged or rigged fights are true. Most often, rumors such as this are spread by a losing party or those who interpreted their losses differently but without basis.

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