Topic: ⚛️ SWAPS.ORG – TRADE NATIVE CRYPTO - XMR/BTC/ETH/ERC-20 - ON-CHAIN DEX ⚛️ - page 6. (Read 54552 times)

Absolutely! Atomic swaps can indeed work both on-chain and off-chain. Here's how it works:

*On-Chain Atomic Swaps:* This is the traditional method where the swap is executed directly on the blockchain. It requires both parties to be online simultaneously to sign and broadcast the transactions. The advantage is that the entire process is trustless and doesn't involve a third party.

*Off-Chain Atomic Swaps:* These swaps are facilitated by a separate protocol that handles the swap process off the main blockchain. They allow for atomic swaps to occur without both parties being online simultaneously.

One last thing to consider is that while off-chain atomic swaps provide more flexibility in terms of timing, they do introduce an additional layer of complexity. This can increase the risk of errors or vulnerabilities in the protocol that facilitates the swap, which could potentially compromise the security of the swap.

As with most things crypto, there's a trade-off between convenience and security. Depending on your personal risk tolerance and specific needs, either on-chain or off-chain atomic swaps could be the right choice for you. 😎

As for now we only have on-chain atomic swaps with swaps.org.

I see that the swaps work on and off Chain please elaborate on that one

Indeed, the security and censorship resistance that atomic swaps provide is truly a breath of fresh air in the often turbulent sea of crypto hacks.

Atomic swaps offer a way for users to control and protect their assets in a trustless, decentralized manner. Unlike centralized bridges, atomic swaps don't rely on a single point of failure, meaning that the risk of a single entity getting hacked and losing user funds is significantly reduced.

With atomic swaps, you're in charge of your own destiny (or at least your own crypto assets), free from the potential pitfalls of centralized services. ✌️

It's nice to know that by using atomic swaps one would not have to worry about their assets being seized as opposed to centralised bridges

You're spot on. 🎯 It's unfortunate but true that bridges have become a prime target for cybercriminals due to their centralization and, often, less stringent security measures.

Some of the most notorious examples of bridge hacks include:

1. *Ronin Bridge*: In March 2022, the bridge connecting the Ronin and Ethereum blockchains was exploited for over $600 million in stolen crypto assets, making it one of the largest known hacks in blockchain history.

While not every bridge has suffered such a catastrophic hack, this does highlight the risk associated with trusting your crypto assets to a centralized bridge service. It's like giving a single key to a large vault full of treasure—if that key falls into the wrong hands, disaster can ensue.

Well said. I could not have said it any better. Just to further add, bridges are more like soft targets for hacks due to their centralized nature. Most of the biggest and most devastating crypto hacks we have seen have hovered around bridges

Atomic swaps facilitate cross-chain trading by allowing users to exchange assets directly between different blockchains, without the need for a centralized exchange or intermediary. Here's how it works:

1. *Transferring assets*: To start, each party locks their respective assets in a smart contract or special transaction on their respective blockchains. This ensures that neither party can cheat or steal the other's assets.

2. *Secret sharing*: The parties then share "secrets" with each other that are required to unlock the assets from the smart contracts.

3. *Atomic swap protocol*: Once the secrets have been shared, the atomic swap protocol verifies that both parties have provided the correct secrets to unlock the assets. If everything is correct, the assets are then released from the smart contracts and exchanged between the parties.

4. *Finalization*: After the exchange is complete, both parties confirm that they have received their assets, and the atomic swap is finalized.

And that's the basic process of how atomic swaps work! It's kind of like a cryptographic handshake between two blockchains, allowing assets to be exchanged directly and securely.

With atomic swaps, it's possible to trade assets across a variety of blockchains, including Bitcoin, Ethereum, Litecoin, Monero, and more. This opens up new possibilities for cross-chain trading and liquidity, helping to build a more connected and decentralized ecosystem.

And how do atomic swaps facilitate for cross chain trading?

Atomic swaps and bridges serve similar purposes—enabling the exchange of assets across different blockchains—but they differ in a few ways:

*Atomic Swaps:*

* Decentralized: Atomic swaps are direct peer-to-peer exchanges, making them completely decentralized.
* No intermediary: Since atomic swaps don't involve a centralized entity or custodian, users maintain control of their assets.

*Bridges:*

* Centralized: Many bridges are custodial, meaning a third party holds the assets during the swap process.

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PSEUDO-DECENTRALIZED EXCHANGES
WRAPPING THEIR TENTACLES
AROUND YOUR CRYPTO"

How is Atomic swaps different from using Bridges?

You're spot on about atomic swaps providing these advantages, but you're also correct in thinking these benefits extend beyond the realm of atomic swaps. 😉

Here are a few other areas where these advantages can be useful:

1. *Decentralized Finance (DeFi):* Decentralized exchanges, lending protocols, and other DeFi applications rely on trustless smart contracts, offering users the same benefits as atomic swaps.

2. *Supply Chain Management:* Blockchain-based supply chain management systems can provide transparency, trust, and efficiency in logistics and transportation.

3. *Digital Identity:* Self-sovereign identity systems using blockchain technology can provide users with more control over their personal information, reducing the risk of identity theft and fraud.

4. *Voting Systems:* Blockchain-based voting systems can offer transparency, security, and anonymity in elections, reducing the risk of voter fraud and tampering.

In summary, the benefits of decentralization, privacy, and security that are showcased in atomic swaps can also be applied in various other contexts to improve transparency, trust, and efficiency across many industries. 💯

Interesting points I see , so all these are relevant in swaps or there are other spaces where one has to access it

Here are some advantages of using atomic swaps:

1. *No Counterparty Risk*: Atomic swaps are trustless, meaning that the parties involved don't have to trust each other or rely on a third party. This reduces the risk of fraud or theft.

2. *Increased Privacy*: Atomic swaps can provide greater privacy by eliminating the need for centralized exchanges, which often require personal information and collect data about user activity.

3. *Lower Fees*: Centralized exchanges often charge high fees for their services. Atomic swaps can eliminate these fees, potentially making it cheaper to trade assets.
 
4. *Decentralization*: Atomic swaps are based on decentralized technologies like blockchain, which makes them resistant to censorship and gives users more control over their assets.

In summary, atomic swaps offer a number of advantages over traditional methods of exchanging assets, making them an attractive option for those seeking greater security, privacy, and control in their financial transactions.

I'd like to know the advantages of using  atomic swaps for trading?

Wow. Swaps.org is also on Bitcointalk? Interesting. Wish you guys luck and hope your project flies. The crypto market is long overdue for atomic swaps.

*Adaptor Signatures*: These are an extension of standard Schnorr signatures, which allow for the exchange of digital signatures between two parties without revealing the private key. This is crucial for enabling cross-chain atomic swaps, like those between Monero (XMR) and Bitcoin (BTC), where privacy is of utmost importance.

*DLEQ proofs*: These are "Discrete Log Equals to Zero" proofs, which are a special type of cryptographic proof used in zero-knowledge protocols. DLEQ proofs are used in ETH/ERC-20 atomic swaps to ensure that a specific Ethereum account can only be unlocked by a specific Monero public key.

Basically, the Monero transaction can only be unlocked by the Ethereum account if the DLEQ proof is correct.

What specifically does Adaptor Signatures and DLEQ Proofs do, that HTLC doesn’t?

I’m aware that
• Adaptor Signatures enables XMR~BTC trading, and
• DLEQ Proofs enables XMR~ETH/ERC-20 trading.

I’ve also understood that HTLC enables cross-chain Atomic Swaps between cryptocurrencies with smart contract capabilities, and that Adaptor Signatures and DLEQ Proofs enables cross-chain Atomic Swaps between smart contract coins with non-smart contract coins.

I just don’t understand how this is done.

Is it possible for the Swaps core dev to give us some insight into these cross-chain Atomic Swaps mechanisms?

What do you mean by "atom GUI tools"? Please use Swaps on swaps.org, which is the latest implementation. You can custody and trade XMR, BTC, ETH, ERC-20 tokens, and BCA through our atomic DEX in a decentralized manner, where you control your own keys.

Please what is the update on the dev of Atom GUI tools. I think there was some talks around this some years back

Hiya. Gud to see some more activity on d project...  i can see two telegram accounts. Which is the real Bitcoin Atom account? https://t.me/bitcoinatomswaps or https://t.me/bitcoinatom?
Tnx