Topic: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 1170. (Read 3049528 times)

I am mining on BitMinter in that race, but I am also giving some of my mining time to a small pool (the way BitMinter used to be).
This small pool is https://give-me-coins.com/
Its merged-mined BTC sub-pool is at 6THs right now, 0% fees, and they still have one bounty left for the next BTC block finder of 0% fees for life + 1BTC reward. The other sub-pools they operate are LTC and FTC, so if you still GPU-mine those, you can have everything in one dashboard.

Thought Id post this here; DrHaribo is giving away a Jupiter:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/race-is-over-mint-race-5-win-a-knc-jupiter-550-ghs-asic-device-321629

All you have to do is mine at bitminter and get lucky (the more hashrate you have, the less luck you need).
Since bitminter is lower fee than btcguild (1% vs 3% for PPLNS) and btcguild is getting as big Deepbit once was, this might be a good time to point your miners there.

That is not a correct statement.   p2pool and eligius are evidence of that.

Thanks!

In the not too distant future, I'll take you up on that. I have looked into setting up a pool for a little while now, because it interests me, and found it a bit more arcane than I'm ready for. I am not a programmer, but I am good at making programs talk to each other if I have sufficient information to do it. \

Pools in general seem to be kind of a jealously guarded "old boys club" on bitcointalk. If you ask or search for a setup guide, you usually find "if you don't know how to do it, you probably shouldn't do it". Which while it might be valid advice in many cases, is completely unhelpful. I can learn. I ran a multi line multitasking BBS under DOS 6.22 when told that it couldn't be done, and the only programming I did was extended batch language. Given resources, this Biomech can do some shit

However, I was mostly replying to the snarky comment. Thanks again for your non snarky reply!

https://www.kncminer.com/pages/support

and

http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/hardware/13049-read-me-first-known-issues-slow-performance-dc-dc-problem-bad-core-map-etc

First thing I would try would be to upgrade to .98 firmware.  I have 2 "marginal" boards that require more than the .7V supplied by firmware levels .95,.96, and .97 to run at close to full speed.  .94 supplies more voltage but over-cooks the VRMs which causes its own problems.  .98 seems to be somewhere in the middle and has allowed my jupiter to run consistently at ~560G over the last 48 hours.

Latest "official" news here:
https://www.kncminer.com/news

Official support page with links to released software here:
https://www.kncminer.com/pages/support

I just raised a specific thread for Mercury for this purpose. I think it's a good idea to have separate threads per device for performance, setup, etc discussion and yes, this thread is getting ridiculous to follow. I'm too lazy to link my thread though lol, it's in mining/hardware forum

Ouch, hard to follow some random wall of text that I didn't bother to read. Apologies in advance.

I cannot seem to get consistent results of more than 490 with my Jupiter. Temps in the long term do not seem to matter much.

I have heard of a enable cores thing, could someone quickly link me to some info on that so I don't have to read through 200 pages of this crap?




---- better yet, if anyone can link me to a consolidated, frequently updated thread specifically about increasing the performance of your Jupiter please PM me. This thread is ridiculous.

==== better still, a sticky with links to firmware downloads, FAQs, and all that!

+1

Reason ? Because some people come here thinking they may find help on the KNC miners this thread is about and all they see in the last few pages is idealistic banter waaaay off topic which makes the information they came to find bloody hard to find.

As for the question of compensation for late delivery, you won't hear a word from them until they want to dell you something else. Then they will be back bragging about how awesome they were this time round and lessons learned. Two parts to this company, the back room boys who know their stuff and delivered, and the KNC guys who are snake oil salesmen and have fucked up every aspect they were involved in...and their main speciality according to their website would make me laugh if it hadn't been so wrong. Communication and troubleshooting are far from their strengths.

If it's  true that they started shipping November units...that's a knife in the back for all of us who paid so much more on the basis we'd at least get a month grace period. Some people here won't even have had a full week.

But this is just a transition from utilizing non-scarce resources to utilizing scarce resources.  The apropos of "capitalism" does not change...capitalism does not imply fairness.  It only implies the ability of capital to be brought to bear in a market unfettered by forces outside that market.  The market itself then shapes the effectiveness of that capital depending on the conditions at play at that time. Throughout the process of moving to an ASIC world, money talked.  If you had enough money, you could get equipment pretty much at any point.  Taking it to extreme..if you had a LOT of cash sitting around, you could have commissioned your very own ASIC device from scratch.  Whether or not taking such actions would be wise or profitable is irrelevant..the fact is that there was no law or other artificial constraint to keep you from doing so.  Only market forces (price of bitcoin, price of semiconductor fabrication, time to market, etc) dictate on whether that is the best use of your capital.  

In the case of gpus'..there was no scarcity except that which was artificially created by AMD (and to a lesser degree nvidia) via set price per item thus in that vein the GPU era was actually less "pure capitalism" since there was no supply/demand curve at play within the narrow scope of the mining community. The term that is more applicable to this era (and CPU) is "democratized" since everyone had the same ability to enter the market for the same price per machine, not "pure" capitalism.  Scaling that to multiple machines and farms..then yes, it becomes a bit more capitalistic as it rewarded the availability of additional capital resources with additional hash power and ostensibly greater revenue and profit (assuming profit margin being equal or greater due to economy of scale). Later, in the transition to ASICs (and FPGA to a large degree) true scarcity was a factor thus at a fixed price for equipment you had more money chasing a fixed number of devices.  The dollar bills never became "unequal"..rather the availability of mining hardware at price points that were deemed "acceptable" became scarce thus queue position and/or "cronyism" became the tie-breakers..  If one was willing to up the bid price (following simple supply/demand curve theory), you could have as much mining equipment as you wanted even if it was second hand or created custom just for you.

That's about as clear cut capitalism as it gets, IMHO.

Anyway, yeah I agree we've probably hijacked the thread for long enough.  I'll just close by saying that folks need to assume that everyone is going to act in a way that maximizes their own personal gain....and plan accordingly.  If they don't and wind up getting burned for trying to be "nice"...they only have themselves to blame at this point.

This FORUM is about mining this THREAD is about KNC Mining Hardware, go start your own thread to discuss your OWN topic.

How does Eligius pay out directly from the block then if it must receive the block first???

Thanks for the info! I was wondering why it was just me....seems like 99% of people are happy with 0.98.

But that's exactly the point you seem to be missing....at the moment the bitcoin ecosystem IS the textbook example of pure capitalism.  There are no constraints on entry into the market beyond the ability to pay.  What's your definition of capitalism that bitcoin doesn't fit?    It's those who pine for the "let's all do what's right for the network" who are tying to resist that reality.  Those days are over. They died when bitcoin spiked during the Cyprus panic and the Big Boys took notice. If bitcoin survives despite this..then it was suitable for use as a decentralized global currency.  If its treatment in this pure capitalism environment causes it to implode due to over-centralization in the pursuit of profit, then it was always destined to fail due to human nature.  Only if by doing the "right thing" that profit can be maximized at the same time will bitcoin survive.  It's possible, but it will take a lot of work to de-incentivize the consolidation of hashing power and the production of mining equipment.  And the work needed to accomplish THAT should ideally be profitable itself to make sure someone actually does it.

And by "survive" I mean bitcoin remains meaningfully relevant in the global economy.  There are plenty of examples of technically "functioning" alt-coins which are not relevant and thus have "died".

Don't forget that I'm the one who keeps reminding people of all the 'cost basis' tricks the higher stakes brings into mining.  The old BTC in / BTC out ROI is dead.

But you keep saying it is some pure capitalism at play when it isn't... that's the fairytale for the students.  It is high level financial acrobatics on good days, and pure scam/thief on bad ones that bring the new players cost basis well below the old guard

My point was that bitcoin survives either way..  other industries can go to hell pretty quick in that regard

 

I'm speaking specifically of bitcoin as a free market in case you missed it (which you apparently did).  And it is..for now.  Hence, the cutthroat profit-at-all-costs tactics that are beginning to surface and will continue to do so.  And no, I didn't blur anything..you made an analogy, and I pointed out how the analogy you gave actually proved my point.  So, thanks for that

Liberating..sure...if you are willing to participate with the same attitude as all the other sharks now entering the pool.  Guppies will be eaten.

you blur my words into another argument... what I said, was all your talk of 'free market vs centralization' doesn't affect bitcoin as much as other industry practices that you ballyhoo about

which in itself is liberating for bitcoin

and you're head is stuck pretty deep if you think there are a lot of free markets anywhere these days. The 'open market' you are talking about is cronyism not capitalism.
 

 

It's not just you, I had to go back to .97 with cgminer 3.6.6 to regain performance on my Saturn.

.98 disabled 7 of my cores constantly, gave 1% higher HW errors and dropped my WU considerably, the pool also showed 8-10gh/s less avg.

Identical at the pool....very strange that it was seemingly worse for me.

I ran for 48 hours on 0.98, my error rate was 4% at 252gh.

I just switched back to 0.97 and I have 2.5% at 284gh.

Both rates were very steady....the temperature was 2-3 degrees hotter on 0.98 but I don't see that as a big difference.

I fully power cycled the unit each time I changed the firmware.

I've been extremely happy with .98, to be honest (though on jupiter, not saturn).  Are you sure your hashrate is actually lower at the pool (you need to watch it for 12+ hours to eliminate variance) or are you comparing the values as reported by cgminer and/or the gui page.  Because if it is the latter...you need to realize that the numbers reported there pre-.98 are including the hardware errors and I believe the rejected shares and therefore is artificially high compared to what is being submitted to the pool.