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Topic: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 1407. (Read 3050074 times)

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Gerald Davis
October 10, 2013, 02:18:34 PM

orama,

thx for update!

i got one corsair 1050 hx running.

is that also a problem or just the 850???

Same question but substitute Corsair AX860.

Look there's no science behind what i'm relaying as i'm not first hand dealing with any of the cap issues. And i've probably not relayed the exact broke English/Swedish version I was told by one of the engineers present. But for sure the fact is every blown cap that has been set back via RMA has been using a Corsair HX850 to power it; and it's the one consistent link, and Anotherhost.se unfortunately were running all their hosted boards with that power supply and have had to switch.

Found this on a Cooler Master review. Is this related?

Inrush current or switch-on surge refers to the maximum, instantaneous input-current drawn by an electrical device when first turned on. Because of the charging current of the APFC capacitor(s), PSUs produce large inrush-current right as they are turned on. Large inrush current can cause the tripping of circuit breakers and fuses and may also damage switches, relays and bridge rectifiers; as a result, the lower the inrush current of a PSU right as it is turned on, the better.

Simple version is no.

The quotes refers to the inrush on the AC side of a power supply.  It is taking about how much peak current the power supply will pull from the outlet when it is plugged in.  Simplifying somewhat a power supply has lots of beefy capacitors and those capacitors can charge very quickly resulting a very high power draw (even if the PSU isn't connected to any load).    A good PSU will limit the inrush by "slowing down" the charging of the capacitor bank.  A poor one won't and that could (depending on what else is on the AC branch circuit and breaker limit) exceed the limit for the circuit and cause the breaker to trip.  Still all that has to do with the AC side of the circuit.

I don't know how or why the KNC miner in question was destroyed however the explanation that a power supply "forced" too much power into it is well nonsense and violates basic electrical theory. A circuit (any circuit) "pulls" current.  A power supply isn't going to "delivery" any more current then is pulled by the circuit.  It is up to the circuit/device to ensure it doesn't pull too much.  A 1200W PSU doesn't mean it forces 1200W into every circuit it is connected to it simply means the power supply can deliver up to 1200W.   Just like a "regular outlet" is 15A that is 1800W max but if you connect a lamp with a 23W light bulb the outlet doesn't "force" 1800W into the lamp exploding it.

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Anarchy is not chaos.
October 10, 2013, 02:18:31 PM



@Biomech. Wasps then? Contains wasps, that's work? lol

Less likely to bring official attention at least Smiley

Best solution on that end of things would be for the people of the former America to rise up and smite the TSA goons. Fatally. But I think my Dad's generation was the last one with the balls to do it Sad
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October 10, 2013, 02:17:22 PM

 When I moved to Boise in '90,




there was no world wide web back in '90... and I think not even internet in Boise, maybe not even today   Roll Eyes
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October 10, 2013, 02:13:45 PM
i still have no "miner settings" page when tab is pressed, but i was able to config cgminer thru the ssl...?

not bad for a saturn...eh?

Best thing I've read all week, happy for you Smiley

@Biomech. Wasps then? Contains wasps, that's work? lol
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October 10, 2013, 02:13:10 PM

orama,

thx for update!

i got one corsair 1050 hx running.

is that also a problem or just the 850???

Same question but substitute Corsair AX860.

Look there's no science behind what i'm relaying as i'm not first hand dealing with any of the cap issues. And i've probably not relayed the exact broke English/Swedish version I was told by one of the engineers present. But for sure the fact is every blown cap that has been set back via RMA has been using a Corsair HX850 to power it; and it's the one consistent link, and Anotherhost.se unfortunately were running all their hosted boards with that power supply and have had to switch.

Found this on a Cooler Master review. Is this related?

Inrush current or switch-on surge refers to the maximum, instantaneous input-current drawn by an electrical device when first turned on. Because of the charging current of the APFC capacitor(s), PSUs produce large inrush-current right as they are turned on. Large inrush current can cause the tripping of circuit breakers and fuses and may also damage switches, relays and bridge rectifiers; as a result, the lower the inrush current of a PSU right as it is turned on, the better.

Nah, that's the mains side.  That;s what your wall sees, not the miner.
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October 10, 2013, 02:12:48 PM
ps | grep cgminer

Ps ax doesn't work. It's nit the usual ps. It is the one that come with busybox
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LIR DEV
October 10, 2013, 02:12:16 PM
meh, duplicate shares showing up about every 20th accept
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October 10, 2013, 02:11:31 PM
"Caution. Explosive!" would work better than "Fragile"

I'd put a rubber band round the fans to stop them popping off and damaging anything as they rattled around the case. Cheap fix.

Are you insane? TSA would have kittens. And you'd never see your miners. Plus those nice Friendly Bong Inspectors would probably show up on your doorstep demanding why you were shipping explosives from sweden...

@O'rama: That FedEX news saddens me. In my years of management, DHL and FedEX ran neck and neck. Never had a serious problem with either one of them, and on the minor problems, FedEX made good and then some within hours of the problem being brought to their attention. But it has been ten years since then.

Glad at least one of them still has quality. UPS has sucked for my entire life. USPS, though probably not relevant, is the best example of "random' you can find.

I concur.  When it comes to the health of a product upon arrival, FedEx is light years ahead of UPS and always has been.  I think FedEx pays their employees better.  UPS employees are like honey badgers.
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October 10, 2013, 02:08:24 PM
"Caution. Explosive!" would work better than "Fragile"

I'd put a rubber band round the fans to stop them popping off and damaging anything as they rattled around the case. Cheap fix.

Are you insane? TSA would have kittens. And you'd never see your miners. Plus those nice Friendly Bong Inspectors would probably show up on your doorstep demanding why you were shipping explosives from sweden...

@O'rama: That FedEX news saddens me. In my years of management, DHL and FedEX ran neck and neck. Never had a serious problem with either one of them, and on the minor problems, FedEX made good and then some within hours of the problem being brought to their attention. But it has been ten years since then.

Glad at least one of them still has quality. UPS has sucked for my entire life. USPS, though probably not relevant, is the best example of "random' you can find.
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LIR DEV
October 10, 2013, 02:05:29 PM
i still have no "miner settings" page when tab is pressed, but i was able to config cgminer thru the ssl...?

not bad for a saturn...eh?
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October 10, 2013, 02:04:19 PM
ITS RUNNING!
thanks guys
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Antifragile
October 10, 2013, 02:03:54 PM

orama,

thx for update!

i got one corsair 1050 hx running.

is that also a problem or just the 850???

Same question but substitute Corsair AX860.

Look there's no science behind what i'm relaying as i'm not first hand dealing with any of the cap issues. And i've probably not relayed the exact broke English/Swedish version I was told by one of the engineers present. But for sure the fact is every blown cap that has been set back via RMA has been using a Corsair HX850 to power it; and it's the one consistent link, and Anotherhost.se unfortunately were running all their hosted boards with that power supply and have had to switch.

Found this on a Cooler Master review. Is this related?

Inrush current or switch-on surge refers to the maximum, instantaneous input-current drawn by an electrical device when first turned on. Because of the charging current of the APFC capacitor(s), PSUs produce large inrush-current right as they are turned on. Large inrush current can cause the tripping of circuit breakers and fuses and may also damage switches, relays and bridge rectifiers; as a result, the lower the inrush current of a PSU right as it is turned on, the better.
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October 10, 2013, 02:02:14 PM
"Caution. Explosive!" would work better than "Fragile"

I'd put a rubber band round the fans to stop them popping off and damaging anything as they rattled around the case. Cheap fix.
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October 10, 2013, 01:58:36 PM
The rattling inside the case got me quite scared, but looks like the fans for the heatsinks got loose en route, does anyone know how these are mounted correctly before I plug it in?

I hope this is the only problem I run into...

Ouch That is brutal.  I would be freaking out so here is some help.  The coolers are off the shelf Artic Cooling A320 CPU coolers.  Looks like the fan portion simply "snaps" on to the heatsink main body.  Take a look at the unboxing video and other install info in the link below.
http://www.arctic.ac/en/p/cooling/cpu/473/freezer-a30.html?c=2181





In a related note for people who want more airflow it looks like the cooler can be expanded to a second fan on the other side (push pull config).


I have to admit we doubled up on the padding on the heatsink to specifically specifically rectify that issue, with Marcus last week, and tested it. What the hell is UPS doing to these boxes?!

You should be using FedEx.  They all are incompetent but FedEx manhandles the boxes far less than UPS I've discovered.

Ohh no no no, Marcus is still foaming at the mouth w.r.t. Fedex. A few days before the 30th and Fedex sent the Beagle bones to France, instead of Sweden, then lied about the whereabouts several times. He will never use Fedex ever again. DHL are the guys that saved everyone's asses w.r.t. BealeBones and ASICs, and they want to handle the deliveries from Nov.

I guess I can only speak from the perspective of shipping around through North America.  Awesome if DHL is what they use for November.

Now that this probably matters much, but it "Fragile" mentioned on the box?
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October 10, 2013, 01:56:16 PM
The rattling inside the case got me quite scared, but looks like the fans for the heatsinks got loose en route, does anyone know how these are mounted correctly before I plug it in?

I hope this is the only problem I run into...

Ouch That is brutal.  I would be freaking out so here is some help.  The coolers are off the shelf Artic Cooling A320 CPU coolers.  Looks like the fan portion simply "snaps" on to the heatsink main body.  Take a look at the unboxing video and other install info in the link below.
http://www.arctic.ac/en/p/cooling/cpu/473/freezer-a30.html?c=2181





In a related note for people who want more airflow it looks like the cooler can be expanded to a second fan on the other side (push pull config).


I have to admit we doubled up on the padding on the heatsink to specifically specifically rectify that issue, with Marcus last week, and tested it. What the hell is UPS doing to these boxes?!

They DEFINITELY were throwing this box around from Sweden -> Germany(why?) -> Newark, NY -> Brooklyn, NY, one corner has a whole tear where you could see the metal case through at least 1-2 inches wide. I'm about to set it up right now. Crossing my fingers everything is smooth sailing from here now that the fans are re attached. Seems the screws aren't long enough to stay attached to the outer plastic shell that affixes to the heatsink.

The heatsinks come from Arctic pre-assembled with the fans, the whole unit is just placed on the ASIC and affixed with the custom aluminium bracket.
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October 10, 2013, 01:54:54 PM
The rattling inside the case got me quite scared, but looks like the fans for the heatsinks got loose en route, does anyone know how these are mounted correctly before I plug it in?

I hope this is the only problem I run into...

Ouch That is brutal.  I would be freaking out so here is some help.  The coolers are off the shelf Artic Cooling A320 CPU coolers.  Looks like the fan portion simply "snaps" on to the heatsink main body.  Take a look at the unboxing video and other install info in the link below.
http://www.arctic.ac/en/p/cooling/cpu/473/freezer-a30.html?c=2181





In a related note for people who want more airflow it looks like the cooler can be expanded to a second fan on the other side (push pull config).


I have to admit we doubled up on the padding on the heatsink to specifically specifically rectify that issue, with Marcus last week, and tested it. What the hell is UPS doing to these boxes?!

They DEFINITELY were throwing this box around from Sweden -> Germany(why?) -> Newark, NY -> Brooklyn, NY, one corner has a whole tear where you could see the metal case through at least 1-2 inches wide. I'm about to set it up right now. Crossing my fingers everything is smooth sailing from here now that the fans are re attached. Seems the screws aren't long enough to stay attached to the outer plastic shell that affixes to the heatsink.

How do you think their Chinese customers will feel?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPzRPga6uDg
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October 10, 2013, 01:54:27 PM
The rattling inside the case got me quite scared, but looks like the fans for the heatsinks got loose en route, does anyone know how these are mounted correctly before I plug it in?

I hope this is the only problem I run into...

Ouch That is brutal.  I would be freaking out so here is some help.  The coolers are off the shelf Artic Cooling A320 CPU coolers.  Looks like the fan portion simply "snaps" on to the heatsink main body.  Take a look at the unboxing video and other install info in the link below.
http://www.arctic.ac/en/p/cooling/cpu/473/freezer-a30.html?c=2181





In a related note for people who want more airflow it looks like the cooler can be expanded to a second fan on the other side (push pull config).


I have to admit we doubled up on the padding on the heatsink to specifically specifically rectify that issue, with Marcus last week, and tested it. What the hell is UPS doing to these boxes?!

You should be using FedEx.  They all are incompetent but FedEx manhandles the boxes far less than UPS I've discovered.

Ohh no no no, Marcus is still foaming at the mouth w.r.t. Fedex. A few days before the 30th and Fedex sent the Beagle bones to France, instead of Sweden, then lied about the whereabouts several times. He will never use Fedex ever again. DHL are the guys that saved everyone's asses w.r.t. BealeBones and ASICs, and they want to handle the deliveries from Nov.
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October 10, 2013, 01:53:41 PM
why is the miner setting page totally blank?

This happens in the original release if you have added more than one pool to the cgminer config file.

EDIT:

Throwing them around like the box in my pictures ??

http://imgur.com/a/s44NM

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October 10, 2013, 01:53:19 PM
The rattling inside the case got me quite scared, but looks like the fans for the heatsinks got loose en route, does anyone know how these are mounted correctly before I plug it in?

I hope this is the only problem I run into...

Ouch That is brutal.  I would be freaking out so here is some help.  The coolers are off the shelf Artic Cooling A320 CPU coolers.  Looks like the fan portion simply "snaps" on to the heatsink main body.  Take a look at the unboxing video and other install info in the link below.
http://www.arctic.ac/en/p/cooling/cpu/473/freezer-a30.html?c=2181





In a related note for people who want more airflow it looks like the cooler can be expanded to a second fan on the other side (push pull config).


I have to admit we doubled up on the padding on the heatsink to specifically specifically rectify that issue, with Marcus last week, and tested it. What the hell is UPS doing to these boxes?!

They DEFINITELY were throwing this box around from Sweden -> Germany(why?) -> Newark, NY -> Brooklyn, NY, one corner has a whole tear where you could see the metal case through at least 1-2 inches wide. I'm about to set it up right now. Crossing my fingers everything is smooth sailing from here now that the fans are re attached. Seems the screws aren't long enough to stay attached to the outer plastic shell that affixes to the heatsink.
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October 10, 2013, 01:52:43 PM
My power supply is a rosewill lightning.

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