Topic: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 376. (Read 3050076 times)
It's definitely sketchy, and perhaps in some countries illegal since they are formally asking their customers to run a Power supply significantly out of spec to the point where it is a fire hazard. Perhaps they ran through things with legal and have confirmation that they will not be liable if there are issues, but it puts customers in a tough position.
What do I win?
[BTW, I want to go on record predicting KnC will turn in to another Avalon, with general praise for their first batch/gen being roughly on time and more profitable than hoped for, yet failing to deliver on the next batch/gen in time for any chance of profit.
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Its not gonna happen in Q1 and most likely not before the end of Q2. And it wont be profitable (btc denominated).
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Its not gonna happen in Q1 and most likely not before the end of Q2. And it wont be profitable (btc denominated).
Each Neptune Cube uses a high-quality PCI-E connection and draws approximately 300 watts at it’s port
300 x 5= 2100?
And did you see? The ports are fan-cooled!
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These ports are fan-cooled and can handle the power, but make sure you’re using high-quality PSU:s, connectors and cables. Be careful when inserting and removing connectors as wear and tear may damage connectors. The act of inserting/removing cable connectors into ports degrades connection surfaces every time it’s done and should be minimized.
That should really help the fires to grow quickly by feeding air directly to the hot spot.
Btw so the controller box will apparently draw a decent share of watts too...
500 watts? Lol. Have you ever touched the Jupiter controller board? Not even lukewarm. So it's probably using far less than 100 watts (wild guess). Now touch a VRM on an ASIC board. Scorching hot!
Each Neptune Cube uses a high-quality PCI-E connection and draws approximately 300 watts at it’s port
300 x 5= 2100?
And did you see? The ports are fan-cooled!
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These ports are fan-cooled and can handle the power, but make sure you’re using high-quality PSU:s, connectors and cables. Be careful when inserting and removing connectors as wear and tear may damage connectors. The act of inserting/removing cable connectors into ports degrades connection surfaces every time it’s done and should be minimized.
That should really help the fires to grow quickly by feeding air directly to the hot spot.
Btw so the controller box will apparently draw a decent share of watts too...
I am already internally laughing at anyone who ordered a non-refundable titan from them....
I think many things at KnC went very wrong. THey have built their DC, designed the chips, are facing a mounting number of refund request plus who knows what else. I think they are going down the slope and customers cannot expect anything good from them. It is not possible that in todays modern market a company which had promised success to it's customers and has the technical capacity to make ensure at least figures very close to ROI are simply cheating abusing the trust of their customers. How many times they have failed? With the Jupiters, extra modules then super Jupiters now with the Hash While You Wait.
THey are just milking their customers.
THey are just milking their customers.
Each Neptune Cube uses a high-quality PCI-E connection and draws approximately 300 watts at it’s port
300 x 5= 2100?
And did you see? The ports are fan-cooled!
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These ports are fan-cooled and can handle the power, but make sure you’re using high-quality PSU:s, connectors and cables. Be careful when inserting and removing connectors as wear and tear may damage connectors. The act of inserting/removing cable connectors into ports degrades connection surfaces every time it’s done and should be minimized.
That should really help the fires to grow quickly by feeding air directly to the hot spot.
Each Neptune Cube uses a high-quality PCI-E connection and draws approximately 300 watts at it’s port[/b]
300 x 5= 2100?
300 x 5= 2100?
2100 is at the wall, and thus includes PSU inefficiency.
Although that would be pretty awful efficiency if indeed the boards only draw 1500w.
OK, so these Dumb Fc*** only included one power port on the board.
6 pin at typical 18 awg wire is probably maxed at 300 watts, 20 awg wire is less.
If you have a nice aftermarket set of 6 pin pcie power cable like by Maxfinder those are 16 awg and can handle probably 468 watts on good Molex connector that is rated 13 amps.
Solution would have been for KNC to make 2 power ports or include custom 16 awg power pcie cable. For 12k a miner they can afford it to give their customers.
6 pin at typical 18 awg wire is probably maxed at 300 watts, 20 awg wire is less.
If you have a nice aftermarket set of 6 pin pcie power cable like by Maxfinder those are 16 awg and can handle probably 468 watts on good Molex connector that is rated 13 amps.
Solution would have been for KNC to make 2 power ports or include custom 16 awg power pcie cable. For 12k a miner they can afford it to give their customers.
Each Neptune Cube uses a high-quality PCI-E connection and draws approximately 300 watts at it’s port
300 x 5= 2100?
Yeah approximately 300 watts should be interpreted as 300-500 watts (approximately)
I've told you a million times not to exaggerate.
Each Neptune Cube uses a high-quality PCI-E connection and draws approximately 300 watts at it’s port
300 x 5= 2100?
Yeah approximately 300 watts should be interpreted as 300-500 watts (approximately)
Each Neptune Cube uses a high-quality PCI-E connection and draws approximately 300 watts at it’s port
300 x 5= 2100?
WEll, everyone have fun with their overpriced 20nm miners, i don´t think you will ever make it to ROI city.
The only one getting anything out of this is KNC, as they can now deploy 20nm on a large scale in their Data Center.
They will probably set up the chips at a lower clock speed and higher efficiency there, as i don´t really think that they have managed to build SUCH a shitty design on 20nm that it only gets 0.7W//GH.
If they had, well it is purely a waste of Silicon.
I bet Bitfury is laughing at them right now from atop of his mountain of 55nm miners on 0.78W/GH and 1/5th of the NRE.
The only one getting anything out of this is KNC, as they can now deploy 20nm on a large scale in their Data Center.
They will probably set up the chips at a lower clock speed and higher efficiency there, as i don´t really think that they have managed to build SUCH a shitty design on 20nm that it only gets 0.7W//GH.
If they had, well it is purely a waste of Silicon.
I bet Bitfury is laughing at them right now from atop of his mountain of 55nm miners on 0.78W/GH and 1/5th of the NRE.
Yup. Free mask set and better chips with better power consumption and better density for them at the cost of the customers. Great play KnC!
I hope they go down same as Avalon and BFL!
WEll, everyone have fun with their overpriced 20nm miners, i don´t think you will ever make it to ROI city.
The only one getting anything out of this is KNC, as they can now deploy 20nm on a large scale in their Data Center.
They will probably set up the chips at a lower clock speed and higher efficiency there, as i don´t really think that they have managed to build SUCH a shitty design on 20nm that it only gets 0.7W//GH.
If they had, well it is purely a waste of Silicon.
I bet Bitfury is laughing at them right now from atop of his mountain of 55nm miners on 0.78W/GH and 1/5th of the NRE.
The only one getting anything out of this is KNC, as they can now deploy 20nm on a large scale in their Data Center.
They will probably set up the chips at a lower clock speed and higher efficiency there, as i don´t really think that they have managed to build SUCH a shitty design on 20nm that it only gets 0.7W//GH.
If they had, well it is purely a waste of Silicon.
I bet Bitfury is laughing at them right now from atop of his mountain of 55nm miners on 0.78W/GH and 1/5th of the NRE.
The act of inserting/removing cable connectors into ports degrades connection surfaces every time it’s done and should be minimized.
I have seen it all now...
Does anyone know how much power and maintenance KnC will charge for their cloudmining?
Power and maintenance usually relate to hosting actual miners, not buying hash power.
Most likely KnC will build it into the cost of the hash rate - this is what other cloud miners do and it does simplify things. i.e. you pay $XX per month for YY Gh/s and they worry about electricity, maintenance etc.
they must be in serious troubles if they are tricking their customers this way. I do not know if it is a technical problem with the design or low value of BTC or growing amount of refunds. I was really thinking that HWUW and the second Neptune was a fair compensation for all the hassle we had with knc. Now they buried all hope. I do not think any prudent customer would ever buy anything from them as they cannot prove that they have ever satisfied customers expectation based on their promises.
Does anyone know how much power and maintenance KnC will charge for their cloudmining?
are those PSU's for the Neptunes?
No they're the five ASIC boxes. Those things plus a controller and a pile of PSUs are the "neptune".
I really don't get this company, how could they change the design of the final products at the last moment, without even telling the customers, they showed a single box when they did the pre-sale and now you have 5 boxes, why didn't they just stick with the 28nm and make a bunch of single miners, they just could have hired bitmain to do the final product, looks like the upcoming Antminer S1 will be similar looking.
They could have used the same 28nm chip and undervolt them, and it would have been out 5 months ago, when difficulty was 1.5 Billion
Hmmm...hard for them to 'share' if they did they would not have been able to mine with your 28mm chip/box till now...see clear as mud .they win you lose.
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