GenTarkin doesn't need to defend himself from VegasGuy.
The only truth to the matter is that GenTarkin had no business sense because he got involved with VegasLiar in the first place.
Now it seems he's grown some business sense and fired his "sales manager" or whatever VegasPsycho supposedly was.
I paid GenTarkin directly for his firmware back in September of 2015 because I wanted nothing to do with VegasTool.
It is also a fact that GenTarkin has consistently delivered.
Topic: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 42. (Read 3049521 times)
Vegasguy you are a psychotic blabbering idiot who is & was totally irrelevant -- btw where's the video you promised???rofl
I knew about gentarkins website from the start, in fact I encouraged him to set it up when you started babbling incoherently(like you tend to do) about abandoning the project. It was created solely as a backup. The reason it wasn't announced is because he didn't want to interfer with your sales
btw I've been betatesting the code just about everyday since you left, and the reason it hasn't been released is because there are a ton of new features that go way beyond the buggy code you are hustling on ebay
fwiw we're up to autotune27 now, ummm make that autotune28
I knew about gentarkins website from the start, in fact I encouraged him to set it up when you started babbling incoherently(like you tend to do) about abandoning the project. It was created solely as a backup. The reason it wasn't announced is because he didn't want to interfer with your sales
btw I've been betatesting the code just about everyday since you left, and the reason it hasn't been released is because there are a ton of new features that go way beyond the buggy code you are hustling on ebay
fwiw we're up to autotune27 now, ummm make that autotune28
Why
Not
Ask
From knc
To have
New version
Of Titan firmware???
Not
Ask
From knc
To have
New version
Of Titan firmware???
many people have...no replies ...including glen tarkin also ....they don't care anymore and have not since they stopped firmware support feb 2015 fyi
and shut all of knc down......and off to icelandic data halls they went....the swedish consumer part of the business relasted to us was shut down jan 2015
just a couple guys doing RMA for folk under the 1 year warranty....and they probably will be gone soon as well
hell about 6 months ago I sent emails just to see if they would reply on an RMA question.....4 emails w/in the month NO replies
they don't / won't talk about anything ..my view due to the 'class action' they were told to clam up and do zip tech wise imho
by the by i should probably google or find out what ever happened with that class action against knc (i had no balls to toss 1.5k in the kitty and be liable
according to the law firm probably no more then 5k if knc won....so chickened out)
off to google it...wonder what happened if anything yet
but naw....you can email them all you want ...but an email to Satoshi would have the same result (zilch) but be 'more satisfying' imho
I emailed them once a month or 2 back asking question bout the closed sourceness of their firmware for the Titan controller.... they actually got back to me =P LOL!
Why
Not
Ask
From knc
To have
New version
Of Titan firmware???
Not
Ask
From knc
To have
New version
Of Titan firmware???
many people have...no replies ...including glen tarkin also ....they don't care anymore and have not since they stopped firmware support feb 2015 fyi
and shut all of knc down......and off to icelandic data halls they went....the swedish consumer part of the business relasted to us was shut down jan 2015
just a couple guys doing RMA for folk under the 1 year warranty....and they probably will be gone soon as well
hell about 6 months ago I sent emails just to see if they would reply on an RMA question.....4 emails w/in the month NO replies
they don't / won't talk about anything ..my view due to the 'class action' they were told to clam up and do zip tech wise imho
by the by i should probably google or find out what ever happened with that class action against knc (i had no balls to toss 1.5k in the kitty and be liable
according to the law firm probably no more then 5k if knc won....so chickened out)
off to google it...wonder what happened if anything yet
but naw....you can email them all you want ...but an email to Satoshi would have the same result (zilch) but be 'more satisfying' imho
Why
Not
Ask
From knc
To have
New version
Of Titan firmware???
Not
Ask
From knc
To have
New version
Of Titan firmware???
vegasguy you can twist the truth however you want. I love how your snippets of the real conversation are all taken out of context.
The fact remains, it is absolutely extremely low of you to sell unfinished copies of my work, claiming it is v1.0 ... it is far from that.
Whats interesting is this alone is proof of your lies. Are you saying u saying u really havent been involved since OCTOBER?! Because that was the last official update. Get your timeline straight!
Yes, u left 6 weeks ago ... there have been plenty of updates since then. I have been very active with the community and w/ progress updates regarding my firmware. The OFFICIAL PROJECT (mine) is healthy and alive, still improving & testing.
Furthermore Ive made it perfectly clear to the community why I made the site in secret, as a backup in november: You threatened to abandoned the project and myself TWICE prior to that. I needed something to fall back on that I could handle sales with if this indeed came to pass. When 2 sales fell through the cracks over christmas(your responsibility) and I was not informed and came back to a very uncertain situation, after attempting to contact you for days if not an entire week... my trust in you was substantially shaken. Sure you eventually got back to me, and sure I presented my idea and came forward to you about my site. You refused to share the same access & customer interaction and sales handling & PROFIT SHARING we'd had always been doing ... on the new site. YOU REFUSED MY OFFERING TO YOU. Finally, you withheld my rightful customer list and walked away entirely. WAIT...nope ya didnt, you returned and started selling my unfinished & broken "Energy Saver" code, not only undercutting my efforts & sales ... but putting peoples hardware at risk.
In the end, sir, you are the one who is only concerned about the money(I offered you the SAME EXACT SPLIT of profit in transitioning to my site, YOU TURNED IT DOWN). Thats all this ever meant to you. Your selling of my broken beta code is proof alone of this for anyone to see.
There are many other fallacies to your stories, but I think our final ENTIRE chat log says the truth.
Sorry all, I didnt wanna do this and fill an entire page up w/ this chat log, but it seems the truth now needs to be known:
The last bit of conversation before he left:
The fact remains, it is absolutely extremely low of you to sell unfinished copies of my work, claiming it is v1.0 ... it is far from that.
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Customers : When I was involved in this project there was updates every 3-4 days. Now, notice since I left the project 6 weeks ago, there has not even been 1 update. I WAS the "driving force" behind this project. It was dead when I arrived, it came to life while I was here, and it died the day I left. Coincidence?
Whats interesting is this alone is proof of your lies. Are you saying u saying u really havent been involved since OCTOBER?! Because that was the last official update. Get your timeline straight!
Yes, u left 6 weeks ago ... there have been plenty of updates since then. I have been very active with the community and w/ progress updates regarding my firmware. The OFFICIAL PROJECT (mine) is healthy and alive, still improving & testing.
Furthermore Ive made it perfectly clear to the community why I made the site in secret, as a backup in november: You threatened to abandoned the project and myself TWICE prior to that. I needed something to fall back on that I could handle sales with if this indeed came to pass. When 2 sales fell through the cracks over christmas(your responsibility) and I was not informed and came back to a very uncertain situation, after attempting to contact you for days if not an entire week... my trust in you was substantially shaken. Sure you eventually got back to me, and sure I presented my idea and came forward to you about my site. You refused to share the same access & customer interaction and sales handling & PROFIT SHARING we'd had always been doing ... on the new site. YOU REFUSED MY OFFERING TO YOU. Finally, you withheld my rightful customer list and walked away entirely. WAIT...nope ya didnt, you returned and started selling my unfinished & broken "Energy Saver" code, not only undercutting my efforts & sales ... but putting peoples hardware at risk.
In the end, sir, you are the one who is only concerned about the money(I offered you the SAME EXACT SPLIT of profit in transitioning to my site, YOU TURNED IT DOWN). Thats all this ever meant to you. Your selling of my broken beta code is proof alone of this for anyone to see.
There are many other fallacies to your stories, but I think our final ENTIRE chat log says the truth.
Sorry all, I didnt wanna do this and fill an entire page up w/ this chat log, but it seems the truth now needs to be known:
Code:
Conversation with gmancompudoc at 1/9/2016 1:53:29 PM on GenTarkin (yahoo)
(1:53:32 PM) GenTarkin: yo yo
(1:53:39 PM) vegasguy: hey man.. Ill talk to you in 5 min
(2:05:48 PM) vegasguy: one sec man. Need to get new FLY wallet to crytopia.
(2:06:01 PM) GenTarkin: np
(2:09:50 PM) vegasguy: So whats up man?
(2:09:55 PM) vegasguy: Thanks for waiting.
(2:10:02 PM) GenTarkin: np
(2:10:10 PM) GenTarkin: honestly I dont know =/ lol
(2:10:27 PM) vegasguy: Ok.. then let me help
(2:10:31 PM) vegasguy: Ill start
(2:11:44 PM) vegasguy: First all that happend was I was with my family during christmas
(2:11:55 PM) vegasguy: and some guy placed and order and paid
(2:12:12 PM) vegasguy: and I didnt get back to him for a few days and he got all pissy
(2:12:30 PM) vegasguy: but the hour I returned I filled it.
(2:12:53 PM) vegasguy: The only thing that I was in total shock was the website... here is why..
(2:13:03 PM) vegasguy: When we left off, everything was great
(2:13:17 PM) vegasguy: and ..
(2:13:29 PM) vegasguy: note much had changed...
(2:13:35 PM) vegasguy: I was testing non stop
(2:13:46 PM) vegasguy: everything was good.
(2:14:12 PM) vegasguy: But then I find that website.. and Im thinking.. everything is fine..
(2:14:27 PM) vegasguy: You launched it late november..
(2:14:36 PM) vegasguy: I think the 25th of Nov
(2:14:56 PM) vegasguy: So I need to see what the conversation looked like.. but truthfully..
(2:15:12 PM) vegasguy: all realtions/friendships have their moments
(2:15:33 PM) vegasguy: Ive now just accepted that you do what you do. I am not sarcastic.
(2:15:39 PM) vegasguy: Im really serious
(2:16:05 PM) vegasguy: Im just over being part of this project and seeing some of my ideas.
(2:16:13 PM) vegasguy: I am NOT unhappy
(2:16:26 PM) vegasguy: Its fine.
(2:16:38 PM) vegasguy: Would I LOVE to give my input?
(2:16:40 PM) vegasguy: HELL YA
(2:17:01 PM) vegasguy: but you certainly have your own mind, and its ..well.. stubborn
(2:17:03 PM) vegasguy: its you
(2:17:07 PM) GenTarkin: lol
(2:17:07 PM) vegasguy: Im stubborn too
(2:17:30 PM) vegasguy: so I just backed off the preassure of trying to make you implement my ideas
(2:17:40 PM) vegasguy: Im cool with that
(2:18:00 PM) vegasguy: Ill still support you
(2:18:06 PM) vegasguy: in any way shape or form
(2:18:13 PM) vegasguy: be it testing, promotions
(2:18:19 PM) vegasguy: staying on top of orders
(2:18:38 PM) vegasguy: and ive done all that.
(2:18:44 PM) GenTarkin: so heres a question ... would it relieve you if I took over the sales & marketing or would u be upset?
(2:18:48 PM) vegasguy: So we might even be in a BETTER place than before
(2:18:59 PM) vegasguy: I would be upset
(2:19:20 PM) vegasguy: because that would look like your kicking me off the project
(2:19:37 PM) vegasguy: and I dont think I deserve that
(2:19:55 PM) vegasguy: I think sometimes you forget some things..
(2:20:14 PM) vegasguy: When I met you, you were giving your software away for FREE !?!?!?
(2:20:24 PM) GenTarkin: well.... this was my project to begin with haha =P but I see what your saying
(2:20:40 PM) vegasguy: ONLY cause I pushed you to get rid of that shit.. you did. Now your glad.
(2:20:59 PM) vegasguy: That was a MAJOR turning point
(2:21:09 PM) GenTarkin: what if I handled sales and u could do marketing and testing ... that still leaves u on the project =)
(2:21:48 PM) vegasguy: ok.. honest question? Do you think Im stealing from you? I wont be offended with either answer. Lets discuss
(2:22:09 PM) vegasguy: Because I know your trust is not good.
(2:22:26 PM) vegasguy: So if you think that then we need to make it more transparent
(2:22:45 PM) vegasguy: You can check anything and everything
(2:23:13 PM) vegasguy: I feel like your trying to get rid of me. Weather its true or not.
(2:23:13 PM) GenTarkin: I have no idea if ur stealing from me. All I have to go on is the 2 times u threatened to abandon me and the order slipping through the cracks christmas ( there was another order someone claimed too, I can give u their email ... maybe they just frekain stole it I dont know haha)
(2:23:42 PM) vegasguy: Ok Ill SHOW you what this idiot did.
(2:23:44 PM) vegasguy: One sec
(2:23:55 PM) GenTarkin: even if I was, it should be my right as the devloper of the project ... dont u think? (Im not saying I am Im just in a hard place atm )
(2:24:15 PM) vegasguy: your really not in a hard place. One sec
(2:24:22 PM) GenTarkin: well I kinda am
(2:24:23 PM) GenTarkin: lol
(2:24:24 PM) vegasguy: Ill PROVE to you what happend.
(2:25:28 PM) GenTarkin: I think, even if we resolve this amicably which I hope we can, ... I would still prefer I take a shot at selling through my site now.
(2:25:38 PM) vegasguy: So I get this email..
(2:25:41 PM) vegasguy: GoUrl.io - Cryptocoin Payment Gateway Hello, You received a new UNRECOGNISED payment of 0.11580717 Bitcoins (~50.03 USD). User has paid an incorrect/wrong amount and the payment system cannot automatically recognise the user who made that payment. During the next 30 minutes (after transaction is verified) this payment will be automatically forwarded to your own external wallet address also. You need to process that payment manually when the user finally contacts you.
(2:25:59 PM) vegasguy: I have no idea who it is..
(2:26:05 PM) vegasguy: who to contact.
(2:26:19 PM) vegasguy: Then the guy gets all pissed at ME!?!?
(2:26:23 PM) GenTarkin: ha u use gourl? =P ... looked into that one myself
(2:26:34 PM) GenTarkin: is this the christmas dude or the 2nd order I mentioned?
(2:26:37 PM) vegasguy: But its ALWAYS worked
(2:27:00 PM) vegasguy: Unless people send wrong amount
(2:27:04 PM) GenTarkin: yeah I found a plugin that pays directly to my wallet =), no 3rd party processor needed
(2:27:17 PM) vegasguy: It says , send EXACT amount
(2:27:21 PM) vegasguy: Then he doesnt
(2:27:27 PM) vegasguy: I dont know who he is
(2:27:32 PM) GenTarkin: ok ok wait up
(2:27:36 PM) GenTarkin: is this the 2nd dude I asked bout?
(2:27:50 PM) vegasguy: probably
(2:27:51 PM) vegasguy: mik
(2:27:53 PM) vegasguy: mike
(2:27:57 PM) GenTarkin: yeah yeah
(2:27:58 PM) vegasguy: I think
(2:28:03 PM) GenTarkin: hope u didnt refund his btc lol
(2:28:13 PM) vegasguy: No, I filled it and paid you
(2:28:33 PM) GenTarkin: oh ok
(2:28:34 PM) vegasguy: he got his software
(2:28:45 PM) vegasguy: but I had no idea who the fuck this guy was
(2:28:50 PM) vegasguy: and it happens ALOT
(2:28:53 PM) GenTarkin: why
(2:28:58 PM) GenTarkin: doesnt gouirl give u email info
(2:29:00 PM) GenTarkin: or anything
(2:29:03 PM) vegasguy: NO
(2:29:05 PM) vegasguy: NOTHING
(2:29:08 PM) GenTarkin: thats bullshit
(2:29:16 PM) GenTarkin: u dont use woocommerce on ur site do you?
(2:29:16 PM) vegasguy: It just says "unidentified amount"
(2:29:36 PM) vegasguy: for people with a brain , it works
(2:29:42 PM) vegasguy: and I needed something fast
(2:29:55 PM) GenTarkin: gourl doesnt support payment incriments?
(2:30:02 PM) vegasguy: NO
(2:30:09 PM) GenTarkin: like "send as many payments as you want long as they all add up"
(2:30:15 PM) vegasguy: nope
(2:30:18 PM) GenTarkin: thats shitty
(2:30:23 PM) GenTarkin: glad I didnt go w/ gourl lol
(2:30:28 PM) vegasguy: 1 payment exact amount
(2:30:35 PM) GenTarkin: do u use woocommerce?
(2:30:38 PM) GenTarkin: for the site or no
(2:30:48 PM) vegasguy: I can set it up and have used it before
(2:30:53 PM) GenTarkin: cuz
(2:31:00 PM) GenTarkin: woocommerce has a btc payment plugin
(2:31:04 PM) GenTarkin: it would be btc only
(2:31:09 PM) vegasguy: ya. its an option
(2:31:13 PM) GenTarkin: that allows sending directly to ur wallet
(2:31:16 PM) GenTarkin: w/o a gateway
(2:31:31 PM) GenTarkin: in fact its what freaking avalon used to sell their ASIC's when they first launched
(2:31:32 PM) GenTarkin: lol
(2:31:44 PM) vegasguy: But do you see that I am on top of this. This clown got all pissy after not following instructions
(2:31:48 PM) GenTarkin: it also does unique addresses per transaction
(2:32:03 PM) GenTarkin: cuz it sends the payments to ur HD wallet
(2:32:35 PM) vegasguy: So, I can create transparency where money ONLY goes to ONE btc address than NEVER changes
(2:32:41 PM) vegasguy: and you can audit it
(2:33:02 PM) vegasguy: The same address money goes in, youll see a payment to match going out
(2:33:06 PM) vegasguy: simple as that
(2:33:27 PM) vegasguy: and the address will NEVER change
(2:33:41 PM) vegasguy: there is NO way to cheat that
(2:34:05 PM) vegasguy: see, it doesnt matter to me, because I have nothing to hide
(2:34:36 PM) vegasguy: same with ebay, you should be able to see my sales, and see a payment to match
(2:34:42 PM) vegasguy: it always will
(2:34:53 PM) vegasguy: because I make damn sure it does
(2:35:04 PM) vegasguy: but I cant prevent idiots
(2:35:11 PM) GenTarkin: yeah I understand
(2:35:36 PM) vegasguy: So if you want me out because of some other idiot.. then let me think on this
(2:36:07 PM) vegasguy: The way I feel , is even with my cut, youve made more than you ever imagined
(2:36:20 PM) vegasguy: AND.. if its more money you want...
(2:36:29 PM) vegasguy: then we just need to up our prices
(2:36:37 PM) vegasguy: I did ALL of that testing..
(2:36:55 PM) vegasguy: then you want me out , the minute before you release it?
(2:37:00 PM) vegasguy: That seem fair?
(2:37:17 PM) vegasguy: Point blank. Ive NEVER wronged you.
(2:37:19 PM) vegasguy: EVER
(2:37:37 PM) vegasguy: I got pissed because non of my ideas were being included. Im over that.
(2:37:55 PM) vegasguy: But Ive been your greatest supporter
(2:38:08 PM) vegasguy: But your not telling me why?
(2:38:16 PM) vegasguy: Do you want more money?
(2:38:38 PM) vegasguy: Do you want more transparency to check everything..ok ..np
(2:39:14 PM) GenTarkin: well in regards to if I wanted you gone before I release it... its not like its unfair, uve been paid for all that testing lol =P
(2:39:29 PM) GenTarkin: but thats besides the point, just wanted to say its not reall unfair
(2:39:46 PM) vegasguy: so this is about money?
(2:40:09 PM) vegasguy: You know this software will be a hot seller and you want max profits?
(2:40:29 PM) GenTarkin: well honestly, I would like to handle sales through my siste because ... I really should be handling the money anyways and paying people as I see fit its kinda backwards how its set up now
(2:40:29 PM) vegasguy: That just floors me
(2:41:05 PM) vegasguy: You always talked about how many people are shitty and go behind your back , in crypto
(2:41:14 PM) vegasguy: How IRONIC
(2:41:27 PM) vegasguy: I have NEVER wronged you
(2:41:33 PM) vegasguy: in any way shape or form
(2:41:44 PM) vegasguy: You said money doesnt influence you
(2:41:48 PM) vegasguy: and it IS
(2:41:50 PM) GenTarkin: ok ok , I get it u keep saying that lol
(2:42:01 PM) vegasguy: So why do you want me gone?
(2:42:07 PM) vegasguy: Give me a REAL reason
(2:42:22 PM) vegasguy: Ive stopped pushing you
(2:42:36 PM) vegasguy: Ive stopped asking for my ideas to be implemented
(2:42:51 PM) vegasguy: Man, if the roles were reversed..youd be DEVISTAED
(2:43:05 PM) GenTarkin: not necissarily
(2:43:18 PM) vegasguy: You would think " ohh well, just another scammer , thats fucked me over agaian"
(2:43:35 PM) vegasguy: I would never DREAM of doing this to you
(2:43:39 PM) GenTarkin: not when theres reason for that person to question my trust initially lol
(2:44:00 PM) vegasguy: I dont understand
(2:44:17 PM) vegasguy: Ive never done anything wrong to you
(2:44:20 PM) GenTarkin: dude
(2:44:23 PM) vegasguy: not one time
(2:44:58 PM) vegasguy: Let me ask you this...
(2:45:13 PM) GenTarkin: you threatened to abandon the project 2x ... this shakes trust
(2:45:20 PM) vegasguy: lets see if you are really ok with what your doing..
(2:45:20 PM) vegasguy: lets see if you are really ok with what your doing..
(2:45:22 PM) GenTarkin: 2 orders go un processed shortly after
(2:45:30 PM) GenTarkin: takes 5 days till I hear from you after you get back
(2:45:32 PM) vegasguy: 2 orders.. NOT MY FAULT
(2:45:41 PM) vegasguy: 2 stupid people
(2:45:47 PM) vegasguy: I proved it to you
(2:46:00 PM) GenTarkin: I get that
(2:46:11 PM) GenTarkin: but still
(2:46:15 PM) vegasguy: I cant stop "stupid people". Ever met any?
(2:46:22 PM) GenTarkin: yes
(2:46:25 PM) vegasguy: right
(2:46:27 PM) GenTarkin: but
(2:46:34 PM) GenTarkin: I cant be left in the dark bout stuff like that
(2:46:37 PM) GenTarkin: if orders go unprocessed
(2:46:44 PM) GenTarkin: u should get ahold of me to keep me informed
(2:46:52 PM) vegasguy: Mike got his order as soon as I knew who to send it to
(2:46:52 PM) GenTarkin: so I know things are under control
(2:46:57 PM) GenTarkin: not so im in freaking panic mode
(2:47:12 PM) vegasguy: I couldnt contact ANYONE
(2:47:17 PM) vegasguy: so I waited
(2:47:22 PM) GenTarkin: u coulda pm'd me
(2:47:24 PM) GenTarkin: something
(2:47:24 PM) vegasguy: then the guy contacted me
(2:47:33 PM) vegasguy: and I filled his order 15 min later
(2:47:37 PM) vegasguy: and he was fine
(2:47:42 PM) vegasguy: that was HIS mistake
(2:47:44 PM) vegasguy: NOT MINE
(2:48:07 PM) vegasguy: I have perfromed PERFECT for you.
(2:48:11 PM) vegasguy: but anyway man
(2:48:12 PM) GenTarkin: read above
(2:48:21 PM) GenTarkin: I need to be kept inform of such siuations
(2:48:28 PM) vegasguy: I had it handled
(2:48:35 PM) GenTarkin: yes but I wasnt aware of tht
(2:48:40 PM) vegasguy: I was not going to let a customer not receive his product
(2:48:49 PM) GenTarkin: that doesnt matter
(2:48:56 PM) GenTarkin: u need to let me know whats going on
(2:49:06 PM) vegasguy: He had it 15 min after he emailed me
(2:49:24 PM) vegasguy: I didnt even go into why he screwed up
(2:49:34 PM) vegasguy: I just filled it and said thanks
(2:49:41 PM) GenTarkin: ok ok well for prolonged situations or w/e please keep me informed
(2:49:48 PM) vegasguy: fine
(2:49:50 PM) GenTarkin: like the christmas order
(2:50:07 PM) vegasguy: I just thought people understood the holidays
(2:50:14 PM) vegasguy: BUT..
(2:50:19 PM) GenTarkin: they dont lol he was from russia
(2:50:19 PM) vegasguy: in the future..
(2:50:21 PM) GenTarkin: or ukraine
(2:50:25 PM) vegasguy: Ill put it on vacation mode.
(2:50:57 PM) vegasguy: If you want to make more money, we increase prices
(2:50:59 PM) vegasguy: That simple
(2:51:34 PM) vegasguy: Or.. as I have proposed before
(2:51:45 PM) vegasguy: IF you so decide.. membership
(2:51:49 PM) vegasguy: But your call
(2:52:03 PM) GenTarkin: naw probably not lol
(2:52:26 PM) vegasguy: You know, youve always done very very well with me.
(2:52:39 PM) vegasguy: Ive stayed on top of everything
(2:52:45 PM) vegasguy: Its ALWAYS taken care of
(2:52:50 PM) vegasguy: even the idiots
(2:52:58 PM) vegasguy: I make damn sure they get their order
(2:53:16 PM) vegasguy: Ill give you a static btc address
(2:53:22 PM) vegasguy: you can audit
(2:53:33 PM) GenTarkin: well another thing is I really dont wanna take this site down lol =/
(2:53:39 PM) vegasguy: you should be able to see my edbay sales and match it with your payments
(2:53:49 PM) vegasguy: :(
(2:54:13 PM) vegasguy: See.. now whats going to happen..
(2:54:33 PM) vegasguy: is people are going to be buying from you, and sending me tech support messages
(2:54:43 PM) vegasguy: I get a few a day
(2:54:49 PM) vegasguy: which is fine
(2:54:56 PM) vegasguy: but not from your site
(2:55:12 PM) GenTarkin: naw I would get tech support duties
(2:55:19 PM) GenTarkin: I already started getting them rofl
(2:55:26 PM) vegasguy: ok question..
(2:55:38 PM) vegasguy: you seem perfectly fine with getting rid of me..
(2:55:43 PM) GenTarkin: no
(2:55:45 PM) GenTarkin: thats not true
(2:55:49 PM) GenTarkin: Id like to work something out
(2:55:59 PM) vegasguy: 2 sites CANNOT work
(2:56:08 PM) vegasguy: thats MASS confusion
(2:56:26 PM) vegasguy: This is/was running like a well oiled machine
(2:56:28 PM) GenTarkin: no, but for some reason you see me asking to do sales now ... u think thats getting rid of you?!
(2:56:54 PM) vegasguy: But this is/was working perfect
(2:57:11 PM) vegasguy: I mean flawless
(2:57:24 PM) vegasguy: Not 1 unhappy customer
(2:57:27 PM) vegasguy: I made sure of it
(2:58:02 PM) GenTarkin: I understand so, lets not dwell on what has happened .. Id like to move forward lol
(2:58:28 PM) vegasguy: I really would prefer that we raise the price and stay with 1 website.
(2:58:33 PM) vegasguy: The way things were
(2:58:44 PM) vegasguy: It was working PERFECT
(2:59:02 PM) vegasguy: We had everything moving great
(2:59:18 PM) vegasguy: Look..
(2:59:34 PM) vegasguy: you can copy your website.. and take it down for now
(2:59:35 PM) GenTarkin: I would like the site to be its own entity tho too which mine is
(2:59:47 PM) vegasguy: if me and you dont work out, then just put it back up then
(2:59:49 PM) GenTarkin: I could let you have access to the site just as much as me
[b](3:00:26 PM) GenTarkin: we could still split sales[/b]
(3:00:40 PM) vegasguy: We also have all our user database their, and who can come in thats already paid for the software
(3:00:47 PM) GenTarkin: but there would have to be an agreement between us moving forward
(3:00:54 PM) vegasguy: that is?
(3:01:01 PM) GenTarkin: yeah ur user database could be transfered to my site
(3:01:06 PM) GenTarkin: just add the users lol
(3:01:17 PM) vegasguy: I can only see one reason
(3:01:59 PM) vegasguy: You and I know , no need to have 2 websites from same people selling same product
(3:02:09 PM) GenTarkin: we would need to write an agreement about what happens if stuff goes south between us, basically a contract of sorts ... its wise
(3:02:26 PM) vegasguy: Its your stuff
(3:02:39 PM) vegasguy: I cant tell you to do anything
(3:02:50 PM) vegasguy: But I can advise you on things you dont see
(3:02:59 PM) vegasguy: example..
(3:03:12 PM) vegasguy: If your website stays up.. mine comes down.
(3:03:20 PM) vegasguy: Your website does not rank
(3:03:23 PM) vegasguy: at all
(3:03:26 PM) GenTarkin: actually it does
(3:03:32 PM) vegasguy: let me check last visit count
(3:03:42 PM) GenTarkin: if u mean rank on search engines
(3:03:52 PM) GenTarkin: it easily ranks
(3:04:05 PM) GenTarkin: in fact it outranks urs on duckduckgo =P
(3:04:10 PM) GenTarkin: haha
(3:04:13 PM) vegasguy: lol
(3:04:19 PM) vegasguy: That was funny actually
(3:04:24 PM) GenTarkin: its #1 there
(3:04:33 PM) vegasguy: LMAO
(3:04:34 PM) GenTarkin: but the phrase is specific ha
(3:04:55 PM) GenTarkin: w/ the phrase "knc titan firmware"
(3:05:01 PM) GenTarkin: I rank on first page at least of every search engine
(3:05:05 PM) GenTarkin: and if I dont, my github does =P
(3:05:17 PM) GenTarkin: google I dont w/ that phrase tho grr
(3:05:20 PM) GenTarkin: top of 2nd page
(3:05:24 PM) vegasguy: knc is not the name of the company
(3:05:34 PM) GenTarkin: but thats what people type most
(3:05:36 PM) vegasguy: Its like calling you Gen
(3:05:46 PM) GenTarkin: noone searches for kncminer titan
(3:05:48 PM) GenTarkin: lol
(3:06:15 PM) GenTarkin: my nickname is Gen =)
(3:07:36 PM) vegasguy: ok so There still a few keywords that are minor I need to cover.
(3:07:55 PM) GenTarkin: https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=knc%2C%20kncminer&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT%2B8
(3:08:25 PM) vegasguy: I know. I need to be more thorough, and I will. I will cover every combination possible.
(3:08:49 PM) GenTarkin: ugh dude
(3:08:55 PM) GenTarkin: u wouldnt be willing to shar emy site together?
(3:09:13 PM) vegasguy: We already are shring a site.
(3:09:48 PM) GenTarkin: its simpler, not as noisy lol ... short and to the point
(3:10:51 PM) vegasguy: one sec
(3:10:57 PM) vegasguy: gonna show you something
(3:12:09 PM) vegasguy: ok show you that in a sec.
(3:12:37 PM) GenTarkin: what
(3:12:53 PM) vegasguy: Option 2. If you beleive your website is the way to go and it IS ok to have 2 websites..then you keep all the money generated from your and Ill keep mine
(3:13:18 PM) vegasguy: then we seperate
(3:13:20 PM) vegasguy: in peace
(3:13:31 PM) vegasguy: Im cool with that
(3:13:53 PM) vegasguy: Youll never have to worry about me again
(3:13:58 PM) vegasguy: wont bother you
(3:14:16 PM) vegasguy: That makes it easy
(3:14:31 PM) GenTarkin: lol funny how the only way u will leave is if you can rob me of sales =P
(3:14:42 PM) vegasguy: rob you?
(3:14:48 PM) vegasguy: Seriously?
(3:14:51 PM) GenTarkin: see basically Im stuck rofl
(3:15:04 PM) vegasguy: and you created ALL of this
(3:15:07 PM) vegasguy: I was fine
(3:15:13 PM) vegasguy: I wasnt upset
(3:15:22 PM) GenTarkin: I did create all of this and it should be all mine to do w/ what I please
(3:15:35 PM) vegasguy: then go for it
(3:15:46 PM) GenTarkin: but I dont want to settle itthat way
(3:16:01 PM) GenTarkin: I dont understand why you wont try using my site with me
(3:16:06 PM) GenTarkin: so we have the same access to the same resources
(3:16:10 PM) GenTarkin: for customers
(3:16:11 PM) GenTarkin: payments
(3:16:11 PM) vegasguy: heres the deal..nothing had to change
(3:16:13 PM) GenTarkin: bla bla bla
(3:16:28 PM) vegasguy: We BOTH made money because we BOTH contributed
(3:16:27 PM) vegasguy: www.bitcoinlasvegas.net/files/look.jpg
(3:16:32 PM) GenTarkin: btw you said option 2, where was option 1?
(3:16:42 PM) vegasguy: there wasnt one
(3:17:09 PM) vegasguy: THAT is why I share the profits
(3:17:23 PM) vegasguy: That brought us both some nice casg
(3:17:26 PM) vegasguy: cash*
(3:17:43 PM) vegasguy: Thats 1000 views a month!!!
(3:17:55 PM) GenTarkin: wheres a link to that metric?
(3:18:01 PM) GenTarkin: I never seem to find that high of a view count
(3:18:04 PM) GenTarkin: on ur site
(3:18:21 PM) vegasguy: you cant see it because your not an admin
(3:18:36 PM) vegasguy: but your welcome to use teamviewer
(3:18:40 PM) vegasguy: and see it that way
(3:19:00 PM) vegasguy: Ive NEVER lied to you...
(3:19:06 PM) GenTarkin: why not just publish it publicly lol
(3:19:07 PM) vegasguy: but want to teamviewer in
(3:19:26 PM) vegasguy: I dunno..its default in the software
(3:19:49 PM) vegasguy: Ill try to change it.. but like I said, right now you can teamviewer in
(3:19:51 PM) vegasguy: right now
(3:19:53 PM) vegasguy: and see
(3:20:28 PM) vegasguy: it will only take a few seconds. You welcome to
(3:21:18 PM) vegasguy: I already have teamviewer loaded. ready to go
(3:21:25 PM) GenTarkin: sec
(3:21:49 PM) vegasguy: or if you can find a way to show views in wordpress I can do that too
(3:23:00 PM) GenTarkin: it shows sa lot of view
(3:23:04 PM) GenTarkin: depends on what of views
(3:23:05 PM) GenTarkin: lol
(3:23:20 PM) vegasguy: I found a plugin , one sec
(3:25:53 PM) GenTarkin: anyways what was option 1, u only told me option 2
(3:26:06 PM) vegasguy: there wasnt an option one
(3:26:08 PM) vegasguy: anyway
(3:26:13 PM) vegasguy: I found a plugin
(3:26:16 PM) GenTarkin: lol
(3:26:25 PM) GenTarkin: who taught you how to count? =P
(3:26:26 PM) GenTarkin: lol jk
(3:26:33 PM) vegasguy: ok go to the site
(3:26:47 PM) GenTarkin: give me link
(3:26:58 PM) vegasguy: ok im logged out
(3:27:04 PM) vegasguy: and I can see views
(3:27:05 PM) vegasguy: one sec
(3:27:31 PM) vegasguy: http://bitcoinlasvegas.net/kncminer-titan-firmware-knc-miner-firmware-titan-firmware-kncminer-titan-customized-firmware-mod/
(3:28:22 PM) GenTarkin: thats not unique visitors =P
(3:28:35 PM) vegasguy: maybe..I dunno
(3:28:44 PM) GenTarkin: its not
(3:28:49 PM) GenTarkin: I hit refresh and it incriments
(3:28:50 PM) GenTarkin: lol
(3:28:55 PM) vegasguy: but either way..thats what it says..so , yes no. ok
(3:29:00 PM) GenTarkin: by that metric I prolly have the same amount of page views =P
(3:29:07 PM) vegasguy: ok
(3:29:21 PM) vegasguy: so you choose man
(3:29:48 PM) vegasguy: Im ready to chill with the wifey
(3:30:02 PM) vegasguy: so you can get back to me later.
(3:30:08 PM) vegasguy: that would be fine
(3:30:43 PM) vegasguy: Know this: Ive never lied, cheated, stole, gone behind your back, or backstabbed you, or deceived you. Not once
(3:31:09 PM) vegasguy: Ive only help you make the most money as I could
(3:31:11 PM) vegasguy: Thats all
(3:31:29 PM) vegasguy: But if your baby
(3:31:31 PM) GenTarkin: https://i.imgur.com/H77G0eW.png
(3:31:58 PM) vegasguy: ok.. what do I do with this info?
(3:32:06 PM) GenTarkin: just a comparison =)
(3:32:14 PM) vegasguy: a comparrison
(3:32:17 PM) vegasguy: ok
(3:32:21 PM) vegasguy: thats nice
(3:32:42 PM) GenTarkin: I dont really have a choice
(3:32:43 PM) GenTarkin: lol
(3:33:10 PM) vegasguy: Truthfully I hadnt even thought about this
(3:33:21 PM) vegasguy: Its not the way I even think
(3:33:34 PM) GenTarkin: u want ur site so u can make money off me, I want my site so I can make money off myself ... if we split ways ... imo one of those is really fucked up, the other is normal lol
(3:33:36 PM) GenTarkin: so Im just stuck
(3:33:41 PM) vegasguy: I never ever thought this would be this way
(3:34:00 PM) vegasguy: NOTHING had to chance
(3:34:05 PM) vegasguy: It was all working
(3:34:18 PM) vegasguy: change*
(3:34:26 PM) vegasguy: It ran perfect
(3:34:49 PM) vegasguy: but truthfully man, one site has to go. You choose
(3:35:03 PM) vegasguy: I dont need the money or the heaache
(3:35:06 PM) GenTarkin: the issue is ur not willing to get rid of yours w/o continuing to take from me
(3:35:18 PM) vegasguy: Ill delete it
(3:35:21 PM) vegasguy: no problem
(3:35:23 PM) vegasguy: done
(3:35:27 PM) GenTarkin: but
(3:35:29 PM) GenTarkin: u dont make sense
(3:35:32 PM) vegasguy: what else?
(3:35:56 PM) GenTarkin: I would like to keep you on, hence why offered access to my sites and all our customers in one central place
(3:35:59 PM) GenTarkin: where we can do stuff together
(3:36:05 PM) GenTarkin: one site dedicated to the project
(3:36:08 PM) GenTarkin: not part of a larger site
(3:36:20 PM) vegasguy: There WAS one site
(3:36:25 PM) vegasguy: that go enormous views
(3:36:35 PM) vegasguy: got*
(3:36:50 PM) GenTarkin: dude ur titan page is just a couple pages, the ntire site is not solely dedicated to the project
(3:36:58 PM) GenTarkin: the latter maks more sense and thats what I created
(3:37:26 PM) vegasguy: alright. so you decide . really.
(3:37:29 PM) vegasguy: Im fine
(3:37:42 PM) GenTarkin: grrr
(3:37:50 PM) vegasguy: Ill walk away peacefully
(3:37:58 PM) GenTarkin: well I prefer to keep my site running and for u to be a part of it with me
(3:38:21 PM) GenTarkin: I don tknow why you wouldnt want that
(3:38:26 PM) GenTarkin: it still makes u just as much part of the project
(3:38:35 PM) GenTarkin: if something happens to my site we can fall back onto yours
(3:39:00 PM) vegasguy: Honestly man, there is no reason for a second site.
(3:39:05 PM) vegasguy: and frankly
(3:39:09 PM) vegasguy: Im feeling sick
(3:39:11 PM) GenTarkin: Im writing up all the reasons
(3:39:12 PM) GenTarkin: lol
(3:39:25 PM) vegasguy: I really am. Im sad.
(3:39:35 PM) vegasguy: but its ok
(3:39:42 PM) vegasguy: Im not even mad
(3:39:49 PM) GenTarkin: why are you sad over switching sites but being just as large a part of the project?
(3:39:51 PM) vegasguy: Im hurt
(3:40:10 PM) vegasguy: so Ill cooperate with you
(3:40:19 PM) vegasguy: just tell me what you want.
(3:40:30 PM) vegasguy: and Ill go.
(3:40:37 PM) vegasguy: I wish you the best
(3:40:42 PM) GenTarkin: huh
(3:40:44 PM) GenTarkin: I told you
(3:40:47 PM) GenTarkin: already what I want!
(3:40:58 PM) vegasguy: for me, its too messy
(3:41:05 PM) GenTarkin: what is?
(3:41:20 PM) vegasguy: and I feel like you dont trust me, and I have been 100% true to you
(3:41:33 PM) vegasguy: not even 99%
(3:41:46 PM) vegasguy: so for now I think I need to be with my wife
(3:41:50 PM) GenTarkin: ok
(3:41:51 PM) vegasguy: Im not mad
(3:42:10 PM) GenTarkin: have fun =)
(3:42:15 PM) GenTarkin: w/ ur wife
(3:42:16 PM) GenTarkin: lol
(3:42:28 PM) vegasguy: ya..its real funny. :(
(3:42:37 PM) GenTarkin: I meant that in a kind way
(3:42:50 PM) GenTarkin: I mean go have fun w/ ur wife
(3:42:52 PM) GenTarkin: take a break
(1:53:32 PM) GenTarkin: yo yo
(1:53:39 PM) vegasguy: hey man.. Ill talk to you in 5 min
(2:05:48 PM) vegasguy: one sec man. Need to get new FLY wallet to crytopia.
(2:06:01 PM) GenTarkin: np
(2:09:50 PM) vegasguy: So whats up man?
(2:09:55 PM) vegasguy: Thanks for waiting.
(2:10:02 PM) GenTarkin: np
(2:10:10 PM) GenTarkin: honestly I dont know =/ lol
(2:10:27 PM) vegasguy: Ok.. then let me help
(2:10:31 PM) vegasguy: Ill start
(2:11:44 PM) vegasguy: First all that happend was I was with my family during christmas
(2:11:55 PM) vegasguy: and some guy placed and order and paid
(2:12:12 PM) vegasguy: and I didnt get back to him for a few days and he got all pissy
(2:12:30 PM) vegasguy: but the hour I returned I filled it.
(2:12:53 PM) vegasguy: The only thing that I was in total shock was the website... here is why..
(2:13:03 PM) vegasguy: When we left off, everything was great
(2:13:17 PM) vegasguy: and ..
(2:13:29 PM) vegasguy: note much had changed...
(2:13:35 PM) vegasguy: I was testing non stop
(2:13:46 PM) vegasguy: everything was good.
(2:14:12 PM) vegasguy: But then I find that website.. and Im thinking.. everything is fine..
(2:14:27 PM) vegasguy: You launched it late november..
(2:14:36 PM) vegasguy: I think the 25th of Nov
(2:14:56 PM) vegasguy: So I need to see what the conversation looked like.. but truthfully..
(2:15:12 PM) vegasguy: all realtions/friendships have their moments
(2:15:33 PM) vegasguy: Ive now just accepted that you do what you do. I am not sarcastic.
(2:15:39 PM) vegasguy: Im really serious
(2:16:05 PM) vegasguy: Im just over being part of this project and seeing some of my ideas.
(2:16:13 PM) vegasguy: I am NOT unhappy
(2:16:26 PM) vegasguy: Its fine.
(2:16:38 PM) vegasguy: Would I LOVE to give my input?
(2:16:40 PM) vegasguy: HELL YA
(2:17:01 PM) vegasguy: but you certainly have your own mind, and its ..well.. stubborn
(2:17:03 PM) vegasguy: its you
(2:17:07 PM) GenTarkin: lol
(2:17:07 PM) vegasguy: Im stubborn too
(2:17:30 PM) vegasguy: so I just backed off the preassure of trying to make you implement my ideas
(2:17:40 PM) vegasguy: Im cool with that
(2:18:00 PM) vegasguy: Ill still support you
(2:18:06 PM) vegasguy: in any way shape or form
(2:18:13 PM) vegasguy: be it testing, promotions
(2:18:19 PM) vegasguy: staying on top of orders
(2:18:38 PM) vegasguy: and ive done all that.
(2:18:44 PM) GenTarkin: so heres a question ... would it relieve you if I took over the sales & marketing or would u be upset?
(2:18:48 PM) vegasguy: So we might even be in a BETTER place than before
(2:18:59 PM) vegasguy: I would be upset
(2:19:20 PM) vegasguy: because that would look like your kicking me off the project
(2:19:37 PM) vegasguy: and I dont think I deserve that
(2:19:55 PM) vegasguy: I think sometimes you forget some things..
(2:20:14 PM) vegasguy: When I met you, you were giving your software away for FREE !?!?!?
(2:20:24 PM) GenTarkin: well.... this was my project to begin with haha =P but I see what your saying
(2:20:40 PM) vegasguy: ONLY cause I pushed you to get rid of that shit.. you did. Now your glad.
(2:20:59 PM) vegasguy: That was a MAJOR turning point
(2:21:09 PM) GenTarkin: what if I handled sales and u could do marketing and testing ... that still leaves u on the project =)
(2:21:48 PM) vegasguy: ok.. honest question? Do you think Im stealing from you? I wont be offended with either answer. Lets discuss
(2:22:09 PM) vegasguy: Because I know your trust is not good.
(2:22:26 PM) vegasguy: So if you think that then we need to make it more transparent
(2:22:45 PM) vegasguy: You can check anything and everything
(2:23:13 PM) vegasguy: I feel like your trying to get rid of me. Weather its true or not.
(2:23:13 PM) GenTarkin: I have no idea if ur stealing from me. All I have to go on is the 2 times u threatened to abandon me and the order slipping through the cracks christmas ( there was another order someone claimed too, I can give u their email ... maybe they just frekain stole it I dont know haha)
(2:23:42 PM) vegasguy: Ok Ill SHOW you what this idiot did.
(2:23:44 PM) vegasguy: One sec
(2:23:55 PM) GenTarkin: even if I was, it should be my right as the devloper of the project ... dont u think? (Im not saying I am Im just in a hard place atm )
(2:24:15 PM) vegasguy: your really not in a hard place. One sec
(2:24:22 PM) GenTarkin: well I kinda am
(2:24:23 PM) GenTarkin: lol
(2:24:24 PM) vegasguy: Ill PROVE to you what happend.
(2:25:28 PM) GenTarkin: I think, even if we resolve this amicably which I hope we can, ... I would still prefer I take a shot at selling through my site now.
(2:25:38 PM) vegasguy: So I get this email..
(2:25:41 PM) vegasguy: GoUrl.io - Cryptocoin Payment Gateway Hello, You received a new UNRECOGNISED payment of 0.11580717 Bitcoins (~50.03 USD). User has paid an incorrect/wrong amount and the payment system cannot automatically recognise the user who made that payment. During the next 30 minutes (after transaction is verified) this payment will be automatically forwarded to your own external wallet address also. You need to process that payment manually when the user finally contacts you.
(2:25:59 PM) vegasguy: I have no idea who it is..
(2:26:05 PM) vegasguy: who to contact.
(2:26:19 PM) vegasguy: Then the guy gets all pissed at ME!?!?
(2:26:23 PM) GenTarkin: ha u use gourl? =P ... looked into that one myself
(2:26:34 PM) GenTarkin: is this the christmas dude or the 2nd order I mentioned?
(2:26:37 PM) vegasguy: But its ALWAYS worked
(2:27:00 PM) vegasguy: Unless people send wrong amount
(2:27:04 PM) GenTarkin: yeah I found a plugin that pays directly to my wallet =), no 3rd party processor needed
(2:27:17 PM) vegasguy: It says , send EXACT amount
(2:27:21 PM) vegasguy: Then he doesnt
(2:27:27 PM) vegasguy: I dont know who he is
(2:27:32 PM) GenTarkin: ok ok wait up
(2:27:36 PM) GenTarkin: is this the 2nd dude I asked bout?
(2:27:50 PM) vegasguy: probably
(2:27:51 PM) vegasguy: mik
(2:27:53 PM) vegasguy: mike
(2:27:57 PM) GenTarkin: yeah yeah
(2:27:58 PM) vegasguy: I think
(2:28:03 PM) GenTarkin: hope u didnt refund his btc lol
(2:28:13 PM) vegasguy: No, I filled it and paid you
(2:28:33 PM) GenTarkin: oh ok
(2:28:34 PM) vegasguy: he got his software
(2:28:45 PM) vegasguy: but I had no idea who the fuck this guy was
(2:28:50 PM) vegasguy: and it happens ALOT
(2:28:53 PM) GenTarkin: why
(2:28:58 PM) GenTarkin: doesnt gouirl give u email info
(2:29:00 PM) GenTarkin: or anything
(2:29:03 PM) vegasguy: NO
(2:29:05 PM) vegasguy: NOTHING
(2:29:08 PM) GenTarkin: thats bullshit
(2:29:16 PM) GenTarkin: u dont use woocommerce on ur site do you?
(2:29:16 PM) vegasguy: It just says "unidentified amount"
(2:29:36 PM) vegasguy: for people with a brain , it works
(2:29:42 PM) vegasguy: and I needed something fast
(2:29:55 PM) GenTarkin: gourl doesnt support payment incriments?
(2:30:02 PM) vegasguy: NO
(2:30:09 PM) GenTarkin: like "send as many payments as you want long as they all add up"
(2:30:15 PM) vegasguy: nope
(2:30:18 PM) GenTarkin: thats shitty
(2:30:23 PM) GenTarkin: glad I didnt go w/ gourl lol
(2:30:28 PM) vegasguy: 1 payment exact amount
(2:30:35 PM) GenTarkin: do u use woocommerce?
(2:30:38 PM) GenTarkin: for the site or no
(2:30:48 PM) vegasguy: I can set it up and have used it before
(2:30:53 PM) GenTarkin: cuz
(2:31:00 PM) GenTarkin: woocommerce has a btc payment plugin
(2:31:04 PM) GenTarkin: it would be btc only
(2:31:09 PM) vegasguy: ya. its an option
(2:31:13 PM) GenTarkin: that allows sending directly to ur wallet
(2:31:16 PM) GenTarkin: w/o a gateway
(2:31:31 PM) GenTarkin: in fact its what freaking avalon used to sell their ASIC's when they first launched
(2:31:32 PM) GenTarkin: lol
(2:31:44 PM) vegasguy: But do you see that I am on top of this. This clown got all pissy after not following instructions
(2:31:48 PM) GenTarkin: it also does unique addresses per transaction
(2:32:03 PM) GenTarkin: cuz it sends the payments to ur HD wallet
(2:32:35 PM) vegasguy: So, I can create transparency where money ONLY goes to ONE btc address than NEVER changes
(2:32:41 PM) vegasguy: and you can audit it
(2:33:02 PM) vegasguy: The same address money goes in, youll see a payment to match going out
(2:33:06 PM) vegasguy: simple as that
(2:33:27 PM) vegasguy: and the address will NEVER change
(2:33:41 PM) vegasguy: there is NO way to cheat that
(2:34:05 PM) vegasguy: see, it doesnt matter to me, because I have nothing to hide
(2:34:36 PM) vegasguy: same with ebay, you should be able to see my sales, and see a payment to match
(2:34:42 PM) vegasguy: it always will
(2:34:53 PM) vegasguy: because I make damn sure it does
(2:35:04 PM) vegasguy: but I cant prevent idiots
(2:35:11 PM) GenTarkin: yeah I understand
(2:35:36 PM) vegasguy: So if you want me out because of some other idiot.. then let me think on this
(2:36:07 PM) vegasguy: The way I feel , is even with my cut, youve made more than you ever imagined
(2:36:20 PM) vegasguy: AND.. if its more money you want...
(2:36:29 PM) vegasguy: then we just need to up our prices
(2:36:37 PM) vegasguy: I did ALL of that testing..
(2:36:55 PM) vegasguy: then you want me out , the minute before you release it?
(2:37:00 PM) vegasguy: That seem fair?
(2:37:17 PM) vegasguy: Point blank. Ive NEVER wronged you.
(2:37:19 PM) vegasguy: EVER
(2:37:37 PM) vegasguy: I got pissed because non of my ideas were being included. Im over that.
(2:37:55 PM) vegasguy: But Ive been your greatest supporter
(2:38:08 PM) vegasguy: But your not telling me why?
(2:38:16 PM) vegasguy: Do you want more money?
(2:38:38 PM) vegasguy: Do you want more transparency to check everything..ok ..np
(2:39:14 PM) GenTarkin: well in regards to if I wanted you gone before I release it... its not like its unfair, uve been paid for all that testing lol =P
(2:39:29 PM) GenTarkin: but thats besides the point, just wanted to say its not reall unfair
(2:39:46 PM) vegasguy: so this is about money?
(2:40:09 PM) vegasguy: You know this software will be a hot seller and you want max profits?
(2:40:29 PM) GenTarkin: well honestly, I would like to handle sales through my siste because ... I really should be handling the money anyways and paying people as I see fit its kinda backwards how its set up now
(2:40:29 PM) vegasguy: That just floors me
(2:41:05 PM) vegasguy: You always talked about how many people are shitty and go behind your back , in crypto
(2:41:14 PM) vegasguy: How IRONIC
(2:41:27 PM) vegasguy: I have NEVER wronged you
(2:41:33 PM) vegasguy: in any way shape or form
(2:41:44 PM) vegasguy: You said money doesnt influence you
(2:41:48 PM) vegasguy: and it IS
(2:41:50 PM) GenTarkin: ok ok , I get it u keep saying that lol
(2:42:01 PM) vegasguy: So why do you want me gone?
(2:42:07 PM) vegasguy: Give me a REAL reason
(2:42:22 PM) vegasguy: Ive stopped pushing you
(2:42:36 PM) vegasguy: Ive stopped asking for my ideas to be implemented
(2:42:51 PM) vegasguy: Man, if the roles were reversed..youd be DEVISTAED
(2:43:05 PM) GenTarkin: not necissarily
(2:43:18 PM) vegasguy: You would think " ohh well, just another scammer , thats fucked me over agaian"
(2:43:35 PM) vegasguy: I would never DREAM of doing this to you
(2:43:39 PM) GenTarkin: not when theres reason for that person to question my trust initially lol
(2:44:00 PM) vegasguy: I dont understand
(2:44:17 PM) vegasguy: Ive never done anything wrong to you
(2:44:20 PM) GenTarkin: dude
(2:44:23 PM) vegasguy: not one time
(2:44:58 PM) vegasguy: Let me ask you this...
(2:45:13 PM) GenTarkin: you threatened to abandon the project 2x ... this shakes trust
(2:45:20 PM) vegasguy: lets see if you are really ok with what your doing..
(2:45:20 PM) vegasguy: lets see if you are really ok with what your doing..
(2:45:22 PM) GenTarkin: 2 orders go un processed shortly after
(2:45:30 PM) GenTarkin: takes 5 days till I hear from you after you get back
(2:45:32 PM) vegasguy: 2 orders.. NOT MY FAULT
(2:45:41 PM) vegasguy: 2 stupid people
(2:45:47 PM) vegasguy: I proved it to you
(2:46:00 PM) GenTarkin: I get that
(2:46:11 PM) GenTarkin: but still
(2:46:15 PM) vegasguy: I cant stop "stupid people". Ever met any?
(2:46:22 PM) GenTarkin: yes
(2:46:25 PM) vegasguy: right
(2:46:27 PM) GenTarkin: but
(2:46:34 PM) GenTarkin: I cant be left in the dark bout stuff like that
(2:46:37 PM) GenTarkin: if orders go unprocessed
(2:46:44 PM) GenTarkin: u should get ahold of me to keep me informed
(2:46:52 PM) vegasguy: Mike got his order as soon as I knew who to send it to
(2:46:52 PM) GenTarkin: so I know things are under control
(2:46:57 PM) GenTarkin: not so im in freaking panic mode
(2:47:12 PM) vegasguy: I couldnt contact ANYONE
(2:47:17 PM) vegasguy: so I waited
(2:47:22 PM) GenTarkin: u coulda pm'd me
(2:47:24 PM) GenTarkin: something
(2:47:24 PM) vegasguy: then the guy contacted me
(2:47:33 PM) vegasguy: and I filled his order 15 min later
(2:47:37 PM) vegasguy: and he was fine
(2:47:42 PM) vegasguy: that was HIS mistake
(2:47:44 PM) vegasguy: NOT MINE
(2:48:07 PM) vegasguy: I have perfromed PERFECT for you.
(2:48:11 PM) vegasguy: but anyway man
(2:48:12 PM) GenTarkin: read above
(2:48:21 PM) GenTarkin: I need to be kept inform of such siuations
(2:48:28 PM) vegasguy: I had it handled
(2:48:35 PM) GenTarkin: yes but I wasnt aware of tht
(2:48:40 PM) vegasguy: I was not going to let a customer not receive his product
(2:48:49 PM) GenTarkin: that doesnt matter
(2:48:56 PM) GenTarkin: u need to let me know whats going on
(2:49:06 PM) vegasguy: He had it 15 min after he emailed me
(2:49:24 PM) vegasguy: I didnt even go into why he screwed up
(2:49:34 PM) vegasguy: I just filled it and said thanks
(2:49:41 PM) GenTarkin: ok ok well for prolonged situations or w/e please keep me informed
(2:49:48 PM) vegasguy: fine
(2:49:50 PM) GenTarkin: like the christmas order
(2:50:07 PM) vegasguy: I just thought people understood the holidays
(2:50:14 PM) vegasguy: BUT..
(2:50:19 PM) GenTarkin: they dont lol he was from russia
(2:50:19 PM) vegasguy: in the future..
(2:50:21 PM) GenTarkin: or ukraine
(2:50:25 PM) vegasguy: Ill put it on vacation mode.
(2:50:57 PM) vegasguy: If you want to make more money, we increase prices
(2:50:59 PM) vegasguy: That simple
(2:51:34 PM) vegasguy: Or.. as I have proposed before
(2:51:45 PM) vegasguy: IF you so decide.. membership
(2:51:49 PM) vegasguy: But your call
(2:52:03 PM) GenTarkin: naw probably not lol
(2:52:26 PM) vegasguy: You know, youve always done very very well with me.
(2:52:39 PM) vegasguy: Ive stayed on top of everything
(2:52:45 PM) vegasguy: Its ALWAYS taken care of
(2:52:50 PM) vegasguy: even the idiots
(2:52:58 PM) vegasguy: I make damn sure they get their order
(2:53:16 PM) vegasguy: Ill give you a static btc address
(2:53:22 PM) vegasguy: you can audit
(2:53:33 PM) GenTarkin: well another thing is I really dont wanna take this site down lol =/
(2:53:39 PM) vegasguy: you should be able to see my edbay sales and match it with your payments
(2:53:49 PM) vegasguy: :(
(2:54:13 PM) vegasguy: See.. now whats going to happen..
(2:54:33 PM) vegasguy: is people are going to be buying from you, and sending me tech support messages
(2:54:43 PM) vegasguy: I get a few a day
(2:54:49 PM) vegasguy: which is fine
(2:54:56 PM) vegasguy: but not from your site
(2:55:12 PM) GenTarkin: naw I would get tech support duties
(2:55:19 PM) GenTarkin: I already started getting them rofl
(2:55:26 PM) vegasguy: ok question..
(2:55:38 PM) vegasguy: you seem perfectly fine with getting rid of me..
(2:55:43 PM) GenTarkin: no
(2:55:45 PM) GenTarkin: thats not true
(2:55:49 PM) GenTarkin: Id like to work something out
(2:55:59 PM) vegasguy: 2 sites CANNOT work
(2:56:08 PM) vegasguy: thats MASS confusion
(2:56:26 PM) vegasguy: This is/was running like a well oiled machine
(2:56:28 PM) GenTarkin: no, but for some reason you see me asking to do sales now ... u think thats getting rid of you?!
(2:56:54 PM) vegasguy: But this is/was working perfect
(2:57:11 PM) vegasguy: I mean flawless
(2:57:24 PM) vegasguy: Not 1 unhappy customer
(2:57:27 PM) vegasguy: I made sure of it
(2:58:02 PM) GenTarkin: I understand so, lets not dwell on what has happened .. Id like to move forward lol
(2:58:28 PM) vegasguy: I really would prefer that we raise the price and stay with 1 website.
(2:58:33 PM) vegasguy: The way things were
(2:58:44 PM) vegasguy: It was working PERFECT
(2:59:02 PM) vegasguy: We had everything moving great
(2:59:18 PM) vegasguy: Look..
(2:59:34 PM) vegasguy: you can copy your website.. and take it down for now
(2:59:35 PM) GenTarkin: I would like the site to be its own entity tho too which mine is
(2:59:47 PM) vegasguy: if me and you dont work out, then just put it back up then
(2:59:49 PM) GenTarkin: I could let you have access to the site just as much as me
[b](3:00:26 PM) GenTarkin: we could still split sales[/b]
(3:00:40 PM) vegasguy: We also have all our user database their, and who can come in thats already paid for the software
(3:00:47 PM) GenTarkin: but there would have to be an agreement between us moving forward
(3:00:54 PM) vegasguy: that is?
(3:01:01 PM) GenTarkin: yeah ur user database could be transfered to my site
(3:01:06 PM) GenTarkin: just add the users lol
(3:01:17 PM) vegasguy: I can only see one reason
(3:01:59 PM) vegasguy: You and I know , no need to have 2 websites from same people selling same product
(3:02:09 PM) GenTarkin: we would need to write an agreement about what happens if stuff goes south between us, basically a contract of sorts ... its wise
(3:02:26 PM) vegasguy: Its your stuff
(3:02:39 PM) vegasguy: I cant tell you to do anything
(3:02:50 PM) vegasguy: But I can advise you on things you dont see
(3:02:59 PM) vegasguy: example..
(3:03:12 PM) vegasguy: If your website stays up.. mine comes down.
(3:03:20 PM) vegasguy: Your website does not rank
(3:03:23 PM) vegasguy: at all
(3:03:26 PM) GenTarkin: actually it does
(3:03:32 PM) vegasguy: let me check last visit count
(3:03:42 PM) GenTarkin: if u mean rank on search engines
(3:03:52 PM) GenTarkin: it easily ranks
(3:04:05 PM) GenTarkin: in fact it outranks urs on duckduckgo =P
(3:04:10 PM) GenTarkin: haha
(3:04:13 PM) vegasguy: lol
(3:04:19 PM) vegasguy: That was funny actually
(3:04:24 PM) GenTarkin: its #1 there
(3:04:33 PM) vegasguy: LMAO
(3:04:34 PM) GenTarkin: but the phrase is specific ha
(3:04:55 PM) GenTarkin: w/ the phrase "knc titan firmware"
(3:05:01 PM) GenTarkin: I rank on first page at least of every search engine
(3:05:05 PM) GenTarkin: and if I dont, my github does =P
(3:05:17 PM) GenTarkin: google I dont w/ that phrase tho grr
(3:05:20 PM) GenTarkin: top of 2nd page
(3:05:24 PM) vegasguy: knc is not the name of the company
(3:05:34 PM) GenTarkin: but thats what people type most
(3:05:36 PM) vegasguy: Its like calling you Gen
(3:05:46 PM) GenTarkin: noone searches for kncminer titan
(3:05:48 PM) GenTarkin: lol
(3:06:15 PM) GenTarkin: my nickname is Gen =)
(3:07:36 PM) vegasguy: ok so There still a few keywords that are minor I need to cover.
(3:07:55 PM) GenTarkin: https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=knc%2C%20kncminer&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT%2B8
(3:08:25 PM) vegasguy: I know. I need to be more thorough, and I will. I will cover every combination possible.
(3:08:49 PM) GenTarkin: ugh dude
(3:08:55 PM) GenTarkin: u wouldnt be willing to shar emy site together?
(3:09:13 PM) vegasguy: We already are shring a site.
(3:09:48 PM) GenTarkin: its simpler, not as noisy lol ... short and to the point
(3:10:51 PM) vegasguy: one sec
(3:10:57 PM) vegasguy: gonna show you something
(3:12:09 PM) vegasguy: ok show you that in a sec.
(3:12:37 PM) GenTarkin: what
(3:12:53 PM) vegasguy: Option 2. If you beleive your website is the way to go and it IS ok to have 2 websites..then you keep all the money generated from your and Ill keep mine
(3:13:18 PM) vegasguy: then we seperate
(3:13:20 PM) vegasguy: in peace
(3:13:31 PM) vegasguy: Im cool with that
(3:13:53 PM) vegasguy: Youll never have to worry about me again
(3:13:58 PM) vegasguy: wont bother you
(3:14:16 PM) vegasguy: That makes it easy
(3:14:31 PM) GenTarkin: lol funny how the only way u will leave is if you can rob me of sales =P
(3:14:42 PM) vegasguy: rob you?
(3:14:48 PM) vegasguy: Seriously?
(3:14:51 PM) GenTarkin: see basically Im stuck rofl
(3:15:04 PM) vegasguy: and you created ALL of this
(3:15:07 PM) vegasguy: I was fine
(3:15:13 PM) vegasguy: I wasnt upset
(3:15:22 PM) GenTarkin: I did create all of this and it should be all mine to do w/ what I please
(3:15:35 PM) vegasguy: then go for it
(3:15:46 PM) GenTarkin: but I dont want to settle itthat way
(3:16:01 PM) GenTarkin: I dont understand why you wont try using my site with me
(3:16:06 PM) GenTarkin: so we have the same access to the same resources
(3:16:10 PM) GenTarkin: for customers
(3:16:11 PM) GenTarkin: payments
(3:16:11 PM) vegasguy: heres the deal..nothing had to change
(3:16:13 PM) GenTarkin: bla bla bla
(3:16:28 PM) vegasguy: We BOTH made money because we BOTH contributed
(3:16:27 PM) vegasguy: www.bitcoinlasvegas.net/files/look.jpg
(3:16:32 PM) GenTarkin: btw you said option 2, where was option 1?
(3:16:42 PM) vegasguy: there wasnt one
(3:17:09 PM) vegasguy: THAT is why I share the profits
(3:17:23 PM) vegasguy: That brought us both some nice casg
(3:17:26 PM) vegasguy: cash*
(3:17:43 PM) vegasguy: Thats 1000 views a month!!!
(3:17:55 PM) GenTarkin: wheres a link to that metric?
(3:18:01 PM) GenTarkin: I never seem to find that high of a view count
(3:18:04 PM) GenTarkin: on ur site
(3:18:21 PM) vegasguy: you cant see it because your not an admin
(3:18:36 PM) vegasguy: but your welcome to use teamviewer
(3:18:40 PM) vegasguy: and see it that way
(3:19:00 PM) vegasguy: Ive NEVER lied to you...
(3:19:06 PM) GenTarkin: why not just publish it publicly lol
(3:19:07 PM) vegasguy: but want to teamviewer in
(3:19:26 PM) vegasguy: I dunno..its default in the software
(3:19:49 PM) vegasguy: Ill try to change it.. but like I said, right now you can teamviewer in
(3:19:51 PM) vegasguy: right now
(3:19:53 PM) vegasguy: and see
(3:20:28 PM) vegasguy: it will only take a few seconds. You welcome to
(3:21:18 PM) vegasguy: I already have teamviewer loaded. ready to go
(3:21:25 PM) GenTarkin: sec
(3:21:49 PM) vegasguy: or if you can find a way to show views in wordpress I can do that too
(3:23:00 PM) GenTarkin: it shows sa lot of view
(3:23:04 PM) GenTarkin: depends on what of views
(3:23:05 PM) GenTarkin: lol
(3:23:20 PM) vegasguy: I found a plugin , one sec
(3:25:53 PM) GenTarkin: anyways what was option 1, u only told me option 2
(3:26:06 PM) vegasguy: there wasnt an option one
(3:26:08 PM) vegasguy: anyway
(3:26:13 PM) vegasguy: I found a plugin
(3:26:16 PM) GenTarkin: lol
(3:26:25 PM) GenTarkin: who taught you how to count? =P
(3:26:26 PM) GenTarkin: lol jk
(3:26:33 PM) vegasguy: ok go to the site
(3:26:47 PM) GenTarkin: give me link
(3:26:58 PM) vegasguy: ok im logged out
(3:27:04 PM) vegasguy: and I can see views
(3:27:05 PM) vegasguy: one sec
(3:27:31 PM) vegasguy: http://bitcoinlasvegas.net/kncminer-titan-firmware-knc-miner-firmware-titan-firmware-kncminer-titan-customized-firmware-mod/
(3:28:22 PM) GenTarkin: thats not unique visitors =P
(3:28:35 PM) vegasguy: maybe..I dunno
(3:28:44 PM) GenTarkin: its not
(3:28:49 PM) GenTarkin: I hit refresh and it incriments
(3:28:50 PM) GenTarkin: lol
(3:28:55 PM) vegasguy: but either way..thats what it says..so , yes no. ok
(3:29:00 PM) GenTarkin: by that metric I prolly have the same amount of page views =P
(3:29:07 PM) vegasguy: ok
(3:29:21 PM) vegasguy: so you choose man
(3:29:48 PM) vegasguy: Im ready to chill with the wifey
(3:30:02 PM) vegasguy: so you can get back to me later.
(3:30:08 PM) vegasguy: that would be fine
(3:30:43 PM) vegasguy: Know this: Ive never lied, cheated, stole, gone behind your back, or backstabbed you, or deceived you. Not once
(3:31:09 PM) vegasguy: Ive only help you make the most money as I could
(3:31:11 PM) vegasguy: Thats all
(3:31:29 PM) vegasguy: But if your baby
(3:31:31 PM) GenTarkin: https://i.imgur.com/H77G0eW.png
(3:31:58 PM) vegasguy: ok.. what do I do with this info?
(3:32:06 PM) GenTarkin: just a comparison =)
(3:32:14 PM) vegasguy: a comparrison
(3:32:17 PM) vegasguy: ok
(3:32:21 PM) vegasguy: thats nice
(3:32:42 PM) GenTarkin: I dont really have a choice
(3:32:43 PM) GenTarkin: lol
(3:33:10 PM) vegasguy: Truthfully I hadnt even thought about this
(3:33:21 PM) vegasguy: Its not the way I even think
(3:33:34 PM) GenTarkin: u want ur site so u can make money off me, I want my site so I can make money off myself ... if we split ways ... imo one of those is really fucked up, the other is normal lol
(3:33:36 PM) GenTarkin: so Im just stuck
(3:33:41 PM) vegasguy: I never ever thought this would be this way
(3:34:00 PM) vegasguy: NOTHING had to chance
(3:34:05 PM) vegasguy: It was all working
(3:34:18 PM) vegasguy: change*
(3:34:26 PM) vegasguy: It ran perfect
(3:34:49 PM) vegasguy: but truthfully man, one site has to go. You choose
(3:35:03 PM) vegasguy: I dont need the money or the heaache
(3:35:06 PM) GenTarkin: the issue is ur not willing to get rid of yours w/o continuing to take from me
(3:35:18 PM) vegasguy: Ill delete it
(3:35:21 PM) vegasguy: no problem
(3:35:23 PM) vegasguy: done
(3:35:27 PM) GenTarkin: but
(3:35:29 PM) GenTarkin: u dont make sense
(3:35:32 PM) vegasguy: what else?
(3:35:56 PM) GenTarkin: I would like to keep you on, hence why offered access to my sites and all our customers in one central place
(3:35:59 PM) GenTarkin: where we can do stuff together
(3:36:05 PM) GenTarkin: one site dedicated to the project
(3:36:08 PM) GenTarkin: not part of a larger site
(3:36:20 PM) vegasguy: There WAS one site
(3:36:25 PM) vegasguy: that go enormous views
(3:36:35 PM) vegasguy: got*
(3:36:50 PM) GenTarkin: dude ur titan page is just a couple pages, the ntire site is not solely dedicated to the project
(3:36:58 PM) GenTarkin: the latter maks more sense and thats what I created
(3:37:26 PM) vegasguy: alright. so you decide . really.
(3:37:29 PM) vegasguy: Im fine
(3:37:42 PM) GenTarkin: grrr
(3:37:50 PM) vegasguy: Ill walk away peacefully
(3:37:58 PM) GenTarkin: well I prefer to keep my site running and for u to be a part of it with me
(3:38:21 PM) GenTarkin: I don tknow why you wouldnt want that
(3:38:26 PM) GenTarkin: it still makes u just as much part of the project
(3:38:35 PM) GenTarkin: if something happens to my site we can fall back onto yours
(3:39:00 PM) vegasguy: Honestly man, there is no reason for a second site.
(3:39:05 PM) vegasguy: and frankly
(3:39:09 PM) vegasguy: Im feeling sick
(3:39:11 PM) GenTarkin: Im writing up all the reasons
(3:39:12 PM) GenTarkin: lol
(3:39:25 PM) vegasguy: I really am. Im sad.
(3:39:35 PM) vegasguy: but its ok
(3:39:42 PM) vegasguy: Im not even mad
(3:39:49 PM) GenTarkin: why are you sad over switching sites but being just as large a part of the project?
(3:39:51 PM) vegasguy: Im hurt
(3:40:10 PM) vegasguy: so Ill cooperate with you
(3:40:19 PM) vegasguy: just tell me what you want.
(3:40:30 PM) vegasguy: and Ill go.
(3:40:37 PM) vegasguy: I wish you the best
(3:40:42 PM) GenTarkin: huh
(3:40:44 PM) GenTarkin: I told you
(3:40:47 PM) GenTarkin: already what I want!
(3:40:58 PM) vegasguy: for me, its too messy
(3:41:05 PM) GenTarkin: what is?
(3:41:20 PM) vegasguy: and I feel like you dont trust me, and I have been 100% true to you
(3:41:33 PM) vegasguy: not even 99%
(3:41:46 PM) vegasguy: so for now I think I need to be with my wife
(3:41:50 PM) GenTarkin: ok
(3:41:51 PM) vegasguy: Im not mad
(3:42:10 PM) GenTarkin: have fun =)
(3:42:15 PM) GenTarkin: w/ ur wife
(3:42:16 PM) GenTarkin: lol
(3:42:28 PM) vegasguy: ya..its real funny. :(
(3:42:37 PM) GenTarkin: I meant that in a kind way
(3:42:50 PM) GenTarkin: I mean go have fun w/ ur wife
(3:42:52 PM) GenTarkin: take a break
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Conversation with gmancompudoc at 1/10/2016 10:32:26 AM on GenTarkin (yahoo)
(10:32:25 AM) vegasguy: I do want to talk to you. But I just cant get upset again today.
(10:32:37 AM) GenTarkin: ok
(10:32:42 AM) vegasguy: Im wondering if I we should leave this for a few days
(10:32:55 AM) vegasguy: I was devistated yesterday.
(10:33:23 AM) vegasguy: Its been a long time since Ive been hurt that bad
(10:33:58 AM) vegasguy: The reason is I sorround myself with good, ethical, honest people that have my back, and I have theirs
(10:34:18 AM) vegasguy: Im having a good day so far
(10:34:27 AM) vegasguy: I just dont want to ruin it again
(10:34:44 AM) vegasguy: We will conclude this
(10:34:52 AM) vegasguy: I just need a little time
(10:35:16 AM) GenTarkin: okies
(10:35:21 AM) vegasguy: cool man.
(10:35:26 AM) vegasguy: Thanks for understanding
(10:35:52 AM) vegasguy: Ill figure out a way we can part fairly
(10:36:02 AM) vegasguy: and Ill get over it
(10:36:31 AM) vegasguy: Ive been told in my life many times over.. "you care tooo much"
(10:36:52 AM) vegasguy: even though I come off aggressive.. its bacause I care sooo much
(10:37:09 AM) vegasguy: If I didnt care.. I wouldnt say anything
(10:37:41 AM) vegasguy: So Ill try to somehow make it quick and peaceful
(10:37:57 AM) vegasguy: Its still gonna suck, but I see no way around that
(10:38:32 AM) vegasguy: Im not talking about money either.
(10:38:54 AM) vegasguy: I could care less about that. Only that you always got your cut, and as fast as possible.
(10:39:03 AM) vegasguy: so let me figure something out
(10:39:07 AM) vegasguy: Ebay..
(10:39:13 AM) vegasguy: what happends with that?
(10:39:25 AM) vegasguy: Thats part of the equasion
(10:39:39 AM) vegasguy: We never discussed that
(10:40:38 AM) vegasguy: an idea.... I can forward my website to yours.. I keep all ebay, you keep all money from websites
(10:41:02 AM) vegasguy: That way you dont have to deal with me, and I wont bother you
(10:41:13 AM) GenTarkin: Im not sure, sounds like ur wanting to just leave the project ... so if thats what you want.... we can discuss that later
(10:41:27 AM) vegasguy: Thats the way it feels
(10:41:40 AM) vegasguy: so thats where im coming from
(10:41:52 AM) vegasguy: no, I DONT want to leave
(10:42:25 AM) vegasguy: But you want ..
(10:42:28 AM) vegasguy: I dont know
(10:42:31 AM) vegasguy: truthfully
(10:42:42 AM) GenTarkin: ok well Ill think bout it next few days I guess
(10:42:48 AM) GenTarkin: or w/e
(10:42:53 AM) vegasguy: I honestly dont know what you want
(10:43:13 AM) vegasguy: Like I said earlier, everything was running perfect
(10:43:19 AM) vegasguy: I made damn sure of it
(10:43:53 AM) vegasguy: So help me be clear.. what IS it you want?
(10:44:19 AM) vegasguy: Because your fixing something that wasnt broke
(10:44:28 AM) vegasguy: It worked PERFECT
(10:44:53 AM) GenTarkin: I dont know what I want yet other than what I told u yesterday
(10:45:13 AM) GenTarkin: so... just give it a few days Ill let u know what I decide I suppose
(10:45:20 AM) vegasguy: just tell me
(10:45:24 AM) vegasguy: I need to know
(10:45:27 AM) vegasguy: whatever it is
(10:45:43 AM) vegasguy: I would love to stay and be partners
(10:45:48 AM) vegasguy: That worked perfect
(10:45:53 AM) vegasguy: no reason to change
(10:46:09 AM) vegasguy: I told you I wouldnt add my suggestions
(10:46:12 AM) vegasguy: do you own thing
(10:46:43 AM) vegasguy: So you can work in peace. Your way
(10:47:20 AM) GenTarkin: well u have a problem with my site and a problem w/ my assuming sales handling role over my project and that behviour presumes an extremely controlling outlook over my project.
(10:47:35 AM) vegasguy: I only came on board, because I have an eye for business, and I saw you dont. I KNEW we could make loads of money from this.
(10:47:38 AM) vegasguy: and we did
(10:49:11 AM) vegasguy: Ever remember the very first person EVER to pay you for your work? know his name?
(10:49:42 AM) vegasguy: anyway..
(10:50:11 AM) vegasguy: Do you now understand why I was on your ass to drop free almost every single day?
(10:50:15 AM) vegasguy: Do you see it now?
(10:50:43 AM) vegasguy: Admit it or not.. I have been an enormous influence on the financial end of this project
(10:51:12 AM) vegasguy: Remember whos idea it was to put it on Ebay?
(10:51:38 AM) vegasguy: Ive been the driving force behind the financial end of this
(10:51:59 AM) vegasguy: So if you want. Ill close Ebay and my site, and leave you to it
(10:52:06 AM) GenTarkin: I get it, and uve been compensated for everything uve put into the project thus far .... so Im not sure why ur so against the idea of relinquishing sales control back to me =/
(10:52:21 AM) vegasguy: You have your site
(10:52:33 AM) vegasguy: I will close that area of my site
(10:52:36 AM) vegasguy: and close ebay
(10:52:38 AM) vegasguy: there
(10:52:47 AM) vegasguy: ALL control is yours
(10:52:54 AM) vegasguy: have at it
(10:52:55 AM) GenTarkin: lol what happened to thinking on his a couple days?
(10:53:06 AM) vegasguy: Im ..
(10:53:28 AM) vegasguy: I think at this point Im going to leave you to it
(10:53:34 AM) GenTarkin: if u do decide to close sites can I please get a list of emails?
(10:53:34 AM) vegasguy: I wont bother you
(10:53:53 AM) vegasguy: Really, THATS what you care about?
(10:53:57 AM) vegasguy: Are you serious?
(10:54:08 AM) GenTarkin: well if u wanna walk away
(10:54:11 AM) vegasguy: That tells me everything
(10:54:15 AM) GenTarkin: I need to be able to hande current customers...
(10:54:32 AM) vegasguy: You just told me everything that you really care about
(10:54:36 AM) vegasguy: and its not me
(10:54:38 AM) GenTarkin: no i didnt rofl
(10:54:57 AM) GenTarkin: it sounds like u want to just leave ... I didnt tell you
(10:55:00 AM) GenTarkin: so if you leave
(10:55:02 AM) vegasguy: man, do your thing bro. I have never been so shit on in all my life
(10:55:14 AM) GenTarkin: can I et that list? I need to support the customers
(10:55:33 AM) vegasguy: were done. You are EVERYTHING you hate about the world.
(10:32:25 AM) vegasguy: I do want to talk to you. But I just cant get upset again today.
(10:32:37 AM) GenTarkin: ok
(10:32:42 AM) vegasguy: Im wondering if I we should leave this for a few days
(10:32:55 AM) vegasguy: I was devistated yesterday.
(10:33:23 AM) vegasguy: Its been a long time since Ive been hurt that bad
(10:33:58 AM) vegasguy: The reason is I sorround myself with good, ethical, honest people that have my back, and I have theirs
(10:34:18 AM) vegasguy: Im having a good day so far
(10:34:27 AM) vegasguy: I just dont want to ruin it again
(10:34:44 AM) vegasguy: We will conclude this
(10:34:52 AM) vegasguy: I just need a little time
(10:35:16 AM) GenTarkin: okies
(10:35:21 AM) vegasguy: cool man.
(10:35:26 AM) vegasguy: Thanks for understanding
(10:35:52 AM) vegasguy: Ill figure out a way we can part fairly
(10:36:02 AM) vegasguy: and Ill get over it
(10:36:31 AM) vegasguy: Ive been told in my life many times over.. "you care tooo much"
(10:36:52 AM) vegasguy: even though I come off aggressive.. its bacause I care sooo much
(10:37:09 AM) vegasguy: If I didnt care.. I wouldnt say anything
(10:37:41 AM) vegasguy: So Ill try to somehow make it quick and peaceful
(10:37:57 AM) vegasguy: Its still gonna suck, but I see no way around that
(10:38:32 AM) vegasguy: Im not talking about money either.
(10:38:54 AM) vegasguy: I could care less about that. Only that you always got your cut, and as fast as possible.
(10:39:03 AM) vegasguy: so let me figure something out
(10:39:07 AM) vegasguy: Ebay..
(10:39:13 AM) vegasguy: what happends with that?
(10:39:25 AM) vegasguy: Thats part of the equasion
(10:39:39 AM) vegasguy: We never discussed that
(10:40:38 AM) vegasguy: an idea.... I can forward my website to yours.. I keep all ebay, you keep all money from websites
(10:41:02 AM) vegasguy: That way you dont have to deal with me, and I wont bother you
(10:41:13 AM) GenTarkin: Im not sure, sounds like ur wanting to just leave the project ... so if thats what you want.... we can discuss that later
(10:41:27 AM) vegasguy: Thats the way it feels
(10:41:40 AM) vegasguy: so thats where im coming from
(10:41:52 AM) vegasguy: no, I DONT want to leave
(10:42:25 AM) vegasguy: But you want ..
(10:42:28 AM) vegasguy: I dont know
(10:42:31 AM) vegasguy: truthfully
(10:42:42 AM) GenTarkin: ok well Ill think bout it next few days I guess
(10:42:48 AM) GenTarkin: or w/e
(10:42:53 AM) vegasguy: I honestly dont know what you want
(10:43:13 AM) vegasguy: Like I said earlier, everything was running perfect
(10:43:19 AM) vegasguy: I made damn sure of it
(10:43:53 AM) vegasguy: So help me be clear.. what IS it you want?
(10:44:19 AM) vegasguy: Because your fixing something that wasnt broke
(10:44:28 AM) vegasguy: It worked PERFECT
(10:44:53 AM) GenTarkin: I dont know what I want yet other than what I told u yesterday
(10:45:13 AM) GenTarkin: so... just give it a few days Ill let u know what I decide I suppose
(10:45:20 AM) vegasguy: just tell me
(10:45:24 AM) vegasguy: I need to know
(10:45:27 AM) vegasguy: whatever it is
(10:45:43 AM) vegasguy: I would love to stay and be partners
(10:45:48 AM) vegasguy: That worked perfect
(10:45:53 AM) vegasguy: no reason to change
(10:46:09 AM) vegasguy: I told you I wouldnt add my suggestions
(10:46:12 AM) vegasguy: do you own thing
(10:46:43 AM) vegasguy: So you can work in peace. Your way
(10:47:20 AM) GenTarkin: well u have a problem with my site and a problem w/ my assuming sales handling role over my project and that behviour presumes an extremely controlling outlook over my project.
(10:47:35 AM) vegasguy: I only came on board, because I have an eye for business, and I saw you dont. I KNEW we could make loads of money from this.
(10:47:38 AM) vegasguy: and we did
(10:49:11 AM) vegasguy: Ever remember the very first person EVER to pay you for your work? know his name?
(10:49:42 AM) vegasguy: anyway..
(10:50:11 AM) vegasguy: Do you now understand why I was on your ass to drop free almost every single day?
(10:50:15 AM) vegasguy: Do you see it now?
(10:50:43 AM) vegasguy: Admit it or not.. I have been an enormous influence on the financial end of this project
(10:51:12 AM) vegasguy: Remember whos idea it was to put it on Ebay?
(10:51:38 AM) vegasguy: Ive been the driving force behind the financial end of this
(10:51:59 AM) vegasguy: So if you want. Ill close Ebay and my site, and leave you to it
(10:52:06 AM) GenTarkin: I get it, and uve been compensated for everything uve put into the project thus far .... so Im not sure why ur so against the idea of relinquishing sales control back to me =/
(10:52:21 AM) vegasguy: You have your site
(10:52:33 AM) vegasguy: I will close that area of my site
(10:52:36 AM) vegasguy: and close ebay
(10:52:38 AM) vegasguy: there
(10:52:47 AM) vegasguy: ALL control is yours
(10:52:54 AM) vegasguy: have at it
(10:52:55 AM) GenTarkin: lol what happened to thinking on his a couple days?
(10:53:06 AM) vegasguy: Im ..
(10:53:28 AM) vegasguy: I think at this point Im going to leave you to it
(10:53:34 AM) GenTarkin: if u do decide to close sites can I please get a list of emails?
(10:53:34 AM) vegasguy: I wont bother you
(10:53:53 AM) vegasguy: Really, THATS what you care about?
(10:53:57 AM) vegasguy: Are you serious?
(10:54:08 AM) GenTarkin: well if u wanna walk away
(10:54:11 AM) vegasguy: That tells me everything
(10:54:15 AM) GenTarkin: I need to be able to hande current customers...
(10:54:32 AM) vegasguy: You just told me everything that you really care about
(10:54:36 AM) vegasguy: and its not me
(10:54:38 AM) GenTarkin: no i didnt rofl
(10:54:57 AM) GenTarkin: it sounds like u want to just leave ... I didnt tell you
(10:55:00 AM) GenTarkin: so if you leave
(10:55:02 AM) vegasguy: man, do your thing bro. I have never been so shit on in all my life
(10:55:14 AM) GenTarkin: can I et that list? I need to support the customers
(10:55:33 AM) vegasguy: were done. You are EVERYTHING you hate about the world.
Ive really tried hard as I can not to post the truth about what happened between GenTarkin and I...
Wow. I've dated people like Vegasguy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathological_lying
If the firmware has indeed been forked (which the license allows for) it would be customary to give it a new name, be clear that you're not the original developer, and make it known that the original developer is not supporting the fork.
First, YOU WERE NOT A PART OF THIS. You dont know what happend. You werent there. How dare you call me a liar. You DONT know what happened.
None of that is required for a fork. The name is Generic. Want to be specific about what you think Im lying about? I can easily post screen shots of emails and messagers. EVERYTHING Ive posted is factual. Ask me to prove ANYTHING and I will. I know its hard to believe that someone would treat another this way. I was 100% honest with him the whole time. Put my heart and soul into this work, and then he throws me away like trash. So ask me to prove ANYTHING and I will gladly provide screen shots.
Vegas
Ive really tried hard as I can not to post the truth about what happened between GenTarkin and I...
Wow. I've dated people like Vegasguy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathological_lying
If the firmware has indeed been forked (which the license allows for) it would be customary to give it a new name, be clear that you're not the original developer, and make it known that the original developer is not supporting the fork.
Ive really tried hard as I can not to post the truth about what happened between GenTarkin and I. But as I watch TXSTEVE and Gentarkin tell lies I have no choice but to tell the truth and set the record straight. Its a very long story, but I will try to make it as short as possible.
On August 1st 2015. I began looking for someone to do custom work on the KNCminer image. I offered a .5 BTC bounty. GenTarkin responded and asked what I needed and I told him. He did the work and I paid him.
We started to talk and he said he had been putting together a modified firmware for the community. He was in shock that someone would actually pay him .5 btc for his work. I tried to tell him at that time that he was very talented, and that he was worth much more. So on a daily basis we would talk, and I had mentioned to him many times that his donation version was not paying him enough AND that community wanted more regular updates. Gentarkin said he enjoyed the work and that he would just work on it when he had time. I tried to convince him that he could put some real time into this and develop an amazing product and get paid for it. He would NOT listen. So, I came up with an idea , and I said look, why dont you put out a premium and charge $50 and remove the donation. He said well "no one will pay $50 for this". Over the next few weeks I kept on talking about the idea of a paid premium version. FINALLY he decided to do it. Frankly I think it was to just "shut me up". So a couple of weeks goes by and he starts getting people to pay him for his premium version. I asked him if I could list it on Ebay, and he said yes. He never asked me for any money. We got talking about Ebay , and he said well, I dont really care about Ebay because I doubt people will pay for it anyway. So he wasnt really interested in a cut of the money. BUT, I realized within a few days that this was going to be a hot seller, and I came to him and said "Hey I need to pay you, your cut". Gentarkin said "what cut? You never promised anything from Ebay". I said "look, its making fast sales, I know you didnt agree to a cut but its the right thing to do". So , I started sending him a cut from every single sale, because I felt that was right. This can be confirmed by Gentarkin. Next I said well, I should post this on my site and generate traffic and sales there, and his attitude was "well, ya, I suppose". He didnt seem to realize the business end of things. I started to realize that Gentarkin was an incredibly talented coder, and the best there is as far as this firmware goes, but he had ZERO business sense. But I looked at it and thought well, after running multiple businesses for 20 years, I can help him take this thing to a new level. So sales were doing VERY well on EBay. I created my page for the premium software, and optimized it for search engines, so it was on page 1 for every Kncminer titan firmware search term you can think of. We were getting a 1000 visitors a MONTH (Gentark will confirm), and doing VERY well. Gentarkin was getting paid within the hour of the sale, and because the site was mine, I would have to answer a few hindered emails a month with questions, which he never even knew about because I was making money and he was too, so it didnt bother me.Most days, sales were good. But then Gentarkin started to complain ANY day there was not one sale. This was every day we would go without a sale, he would email me and complain. I have loads of them still I can post to prove. So, I started looking at it and I said "You need to remove the free version from the githib". WHY would ANYONE buy something when they can get it for free. He did NOT understand this concept. He held his ground and said "The free version stays on the github". So, as the weeks past , he would complain any day there was not a sale. So I responded every day and told him you MUST remove that free version, its killing our sales. So he had a free version, EXACT same software, I mean IDENTICAL, and then he wanted me to sell the same software for $50, and I actually did quite well. So as the weeks went on I begged him to remove the free version from the github, and he FINALLY did, but I still dont think he understood why. I think he just wanted me to stop asking him. So as things progressed and the sales became better and better we began to chat almost hourly, we would discuss ideas. Then as the months went on, I realized that we had discussed so many ideas and not 1 of them he implemented. I got upset and I asked him. I said "why do we talk every single day about ideas for months, and you dont even implement even 1 of mine, why are we wasting time like this?". I said I dont care about the money, but show me some respect after discussing all of these ideas, and atleast implement a small one. Months past, and we continued to talk multiple times a day about all these ideas for the frimware. Not one of my ideas he would implement. In fact, he would shut down ANY idea I had approached him with in about 10 seconds flat. So, finally I told him, "look stop discussing ideas with me, because you get me excited that this or that idea will get implemented and you have not ONCE implemented any of my ideas. You make me feel like I am a big part of this project, but your actions tell me Im not. Your actions prove it. Then you ask my opinion on an idea, and the ones that I say I dont like you implement anyway. So I had to rethink my place. My place was to generate sales for us, and answer any/all email questions to customers, and make sure they received their firmware as fast as I could get it to them. Things were going really well, and we were making a lot of money, then in mid-late December 2015 he was going away on vacation. I wished him well, and everything was fine. Now meanwhile Im running the business and doing everything, AND sending his cut to him automatically while he is away. Then on December 29th 2015 , a hidden unannounced website that NOBODY knew about was discovered. http://gentarkincustomtitan.pcriot.com/? Everyone called scam , because NOBODY knew about it. I talked to Gentarkin MULTIPLE times a day and he NEVER mentioned it ONCE.
Now get this:
The website was registered in NOVEMBER 2015!!!
We are chatting like best friends for weeks, and he NEVER mentioned this website to ANYONE?!?!?! Someone found it!! He NEVER announced it!! WHY!?!?!?!? Wouldnt you want EVERYONE to know about your website?!?!
The website was registered in NOVEMBER 2015 , when everything was fine.
So I thought "well, dont draw any conclusions, I ask Gentarkin about this". So I asked him about it, and he said "Well, it was never really going to be anything, I just made it for a backup". I said "backup?" He said ya, you know, if something should happen between me and you. He said "I got a little scared that time you were upset because I wasnt putting any of your ideas into the firmware". He said "while we are on the subject, "can I get a copy of the customer database with all of their emails?" I said "It sounds like your getting rid of me, why?". Have I not takeng this project to new heights you couldnt even dream of? Have I EVER, been dishonest with you , even ONCE, in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM?" He said "No, you have been totally honest, always". I said "then why are you getting rid of me?". He said "Im not getting rid of you, I just need that customer information". I said "no, you dont get to throw me away like trash, Ive been good to you. I said "even though you did the coding, I still busted my but handling all of these transactions, and email questions and marketing" on a daily basis. I said "I get it, now Ive shown you how much money you can make and how, you dont need me anymore!!".
So thats where we ended. He started when I met him by giving his software away for free. I taught him how much money he could make , and how to do it. He decided he could make more now that he knew how and cut me out. That is what this is all about.
Here is our conversation the last couple of days we talked on messenger:
Here is absolute proof, he planned to throw me away like trash right before the release of the biggest update ever, that would make the most money:
gentarkin: well in regards to if I wanted you gone before I release it (Talking about the autotune version)... its not like its unfair, youve been paid for all that testing lol =P
gentarkin: but thats besides the point, just wanted to say its not real unfair[/size]
2:39:41 PM Vegasguy: so this is about money?
2:40:04 PM Vegasguy: You know this software will be a hot seller and you want max profits?
2:40:24 PM gentarkin: well honestly, I would like to handle sales through my siste because ... I really should be handling the money anyways and paying people as I see fit its kinda backwards how its set up now
2:40:24 PM Vegasguy: That just floors me
2:41:00 PM Vegasguy: You always talked about how many people are shitty and go behind your back , in crypto
2:41:09 PM Vegasguy: How IRONIC
2:41:22 PM Vegasguy: I have NEVER wronged you
2:41:29 PM Vegasguy: in any way shape or form
2:41:40 PM Vegasguy: You said money doesnt influence you
2:41:43 PM Vegasguy: and it IS!!
2:41:46 PM gentarkin: ok ok , I get it u keep saying that lol
2:41:56 PM Vegasguy: So why do you want me gone?
2:42:02 PM Vegasguy: Give me a REAL reason
2:42:17 PM Vegasguy: Ive stopped pushing you
2:42:31 PM Vegasguy: Ive stopped asking for my ideas to be implemented
2:42:46 PM Vegasguy: Man, if the roles were reversed..youd be DEVISTAED!!
2:43:01 PM gentarkin: not necissarily
2:43:13 PM Vegasguy: You would think " ohh well, just another scammer , thats fucked me over agaian
2:43:30 PM Vegasguy: I would never DREAM of doing this to you
2:43:34 PM gentarkin: not when theres reason for that person to question my trust initially lol
2:43:55 PM Vegasguy: I dont understand
2:44:12 PM Vegasguy: Ive never done anything wrong to you
2:44:15 PM gentarkin: dude
2:44:19 PM Vegasguy: not one time
Vegasguy: Honestly man, there is no reason for a second site.
3:39:00 PM Vegasguy: and frankly
3:39:04 PM Vegasguy: Im feeling sick
3:39:06 PM gentarkin: Im writing up all the reasons
3:39:07 PM gentarkin: lol
3:39:20 PM Vegasguy: I really am. Im sad
3:39:30 PM Vegasguy: but its ok
3:39:38 PM Vegasguy: Im not even mad
3:39:44 PM gentarkin: why are you sad over switching sites but being just as large a part of the project?
3:39:46 PM Vegasguy: Im hurt
3:40:05 PM Vegasguy: so Ill cooperate with you
3:40:14 PM Vegasguy: just tell me what you want.
3:40:25 PM Vegasguy: and Ill go.
3:40:32 PM Vegasguy: I wish you the best
3:40:37 PM gentarkin: huh
3:40:40 PM gentarkin: I told you
3:40:42 PM gentarkin: already what I want!
3:40:54 PM Vegasguy: for me, its too messy
3:41:00 PM gentarkin: what is?
3:41:15 PM Vegasguy: and I feel like you dont trust me, and I have been 100% true to you
3:41:28 PM Vegasguy: not even 99%
3:41:41 PM Vegasguy: so for now I think I need to be with my wife
3:41:45 PM gentarkin: ok
3:41:46 PM Vegasguy: Im not mad
3:42:06 PM gentarkin: have fun =)
3:42:10 PM gentarkin: w/ ur wife
3:42:11 PM gentarkin: lol
3:42:23 PM Vegasguy: ya..its real funny.
So here I am , Im sad, and I tell him that Ive got it figured out that he is just kicking me to the curb to keep all profits, and I am sad and hurt, and his response "lol"..
Our final words:
10:32:25 AM Vegasguy: I do want to talk to you. But I just cant get upset again today.
10:32:37 AM gentarkin: ok
10:32:42 AM Vegasguy: Im wondering if I we should leave this for a few days
10:32:54 AM Vegasguy: I was devastated yesterday.
10:33:22 AM Vegasguy: Its been a long time since Ive been hurt that bad
10:33:58 AM Vegasguy: The reason is I sorround myself with good, ethical, honest people that have my back, and I have theirs
10:34:18 AM Vegasguy: Im having a good day so far
10:34:27 AM Vegasguy: I just dont want to ruin it again
10:34:44 AM Vegasguy: We will conclude this I just need a little time
10:35:15 AM gentarkin: okies
10:35:21 AM Vegasguy: cool man.
10:35:26 AM Vegasguy: Thanks for understanding
10:35:51 AM Vegasguy: Ill figure out a way we can part fairly
10:36:02 AM Vegasguy: and Ill get over it
10:36:30 AM Vegasguy: Ive been told in my life many times over.. "you care tooo much"
10:36:52 AM Vegasguy: even though I come off aggressive.. its bacause I care sooo much
10:37:09 AM Vegasguy: If I didnt care.. I wouldnt say anything
10:37:40 AM Vegasguy: So Ill try to somehow make it quick and peaceful
10:37:56 AM Vegasguy: Its still gonna suck, but I see no way around that
10:38:31 AM Vegasguy: Im not talking about money either.
10:38:54 AM Vegasguy: I could care less about that. Only that you always got your cut, and as fast as possible.
10:39:03 AM Vegasguy: so let me figure something out
10:39:07 AM Vegasguy: Ebay..
10:39:12 AM Vegasguy: what happends with that?
10:39:25 AM Vegasguy: Thats part of the equasion
10:39:38 AM Vegasguy: We never discussed that
10:40:38 AM Vegasguy: an idea.... I can forward my website to yours.. I keep all ebay, you keep all money from websites
10:41:01 AM Vegasguy: That way you dont have to deal with me, and I wont bother you
10:41:13 AM gentarkin: Im not sure, sounds like ur wanting to just leave the project ... so if thats what you want.... we can discuss that later
Vegasguy: Do you now understand why I was on your ass to drop the free version almost every single day?
10:50:15 AM Vegasguy: Do you see it now?
10:50:42 AM Vegasguy: Admit it or not.. I have been an enormous influence on the financial end of this project
10:51:11 AM Vegasguy: Remember whos idea it was to put it on Ebay?10:51:38 AM Vegasguy: Ive been the driving force behind the financial end of this
10:51:58 AM Vegasguy: So if you want. Ill close Ebay and my site, and leave you to it
10:52:06 AM gentarkin: I get it, and uve been compensated for everything uve put into the project thus far .... so Im not sure why ur so against the idea of relinquishing sales control back to me =/
10:52:21 AM Vegasguy: You have your site
10:52:33 AM Vegasguy: I will close that area of my site
10:52:36 AM Vegasguy: and close ebay
10:52:37 AM Vegasguy: there
10:52:46 AM Vegasguy: ALL control is yours
10:52:54 AM Vegasguy: have at it
10:52:54 AM gentarkin: lol what happened to thinking on his a couple days?
10:53:06 AM Vegasguy: Im ..
10:53:28 AM Vegasguy: I think at this point Im going to leave you to it
10:53:34 AM gentarkin: if u do decide to close sites can I please get a list of emails?
10:53:34 AM Vegasguy: I wont bother you
10:53:52 AM Vegasguy: Really, THATS what you care about?
10:53:57 AM Vegasguy: Are you serious?
10:54:08 AM gentarkin: well if u wanna walk away
10:54:11 AM Vegasguy: That tells me everything
10:54:14 AM gentarkin: I need to be able to hande current customers...
10:54:32 AM Vegasguy: You just told me everything that you really care about
10:54:36 AM Vegasguy: and its not me
10:54:37 AM gentarkin: no i didnt rofl
10:54:57 AM gentarkin: it sounds like u want to just leave ... I didnt tell you
10:55:00 AM gentarkin: so if you leave can I get that list? I need to support the customers
Vegasguy: man, do your thing bro. I have never been so shit on in all my life
To conclude. Here is me telling him how much I cared, and how hurt I was that he setup a hidden website behind my back in preperation of getting rid of me. I tell him im hurt, I feel shit on, his response:
if u do decide to close sites can I please get a list of emails?
That one sentence told me everything. It expained the "hidden website, and what he was planning to do for months. Talking to me every day like best buddies for weeks, not ONCE telling me about that website. WHY??!?!
Remember this line if you want to know who is unethical, and WHO sold out for money:
Here is absolute proof, he planned to throw me away like trash right before the release of the biggest update ever, that would make the most money:
gentarkin: well in regards to if I wanted you gone before I release it (Talking about the autotune version)... its not like its unfair, youve been paid for all that testing lol =P
gentarkin: but thats besides the point, just wanted to say its not real unfair
Thats when I said screw it, Ill post the new version on my site and Ebay. Its open source. Anyone can fork the code and sell it.
The message to Gentarkin was "If it wasnt for me, you would not have made that chunk of cash. You would still be doing work on the firmware in your spare time, and giving it away for free, because that is all you knew. Even after I explained the business side to you over and over again, you just didnt get it. Your motivation skyrocketed and you worked harder than ever before when you started making a nice profit. This was beneficial to the customers and to you (in a much better quality product, and frequency of updates". NONE of this would have happened if I would not have guided you". Now you know how to earn money , you dont need me anymore, and wanted to throw me away like a piece of trash, and I was one of about 2 people in your entire life that was 100% true to you, and you sold me out for more profit. In the future, youll think twice about shitting on those that have been 100% true to you for the sake of money. Enjoy your 100% cut that you so badly wanted".
Customers : When I was involved in this project there was updates every 3-4 days. Now, notice since I left the project 6 weeks ago, there has not even been 1 update. I WAS the "driving force" behind this project. It was dead when I arrived, it came to life while I was here, and it died the day I left. Coincidence?
Vegas
On August 1st 2015. I began looking for someone to do custom work on the KNCminer image. I offered a .5 BTC bounty. GenTarkin responded and asked what I needed and I told him. He did the work and I paid him.
We started to talk and he said he had been putting together a modified firmware for the community. He was in shock that someone would actually pay him .5 btc for his work. I tried to tell him at that time that he was very talented, and that he was worth much more. So on a daily basis we would talk, and I had mentioned to him many times that his donation version was not paying him enough AND that community wanted more regular updates. Gentarkin said he enjoyed the work and that he would just work on it when he had time. I tried to convince him that he could put some real time into this and develop an amazing product and get paid for it. He would NOT listen. So, I came up with an idea , and I said look, why dont you put out a premium and charge $50 and remove the donation. He said well "no one will pay $50 for this". Over the next few weeks I kept on talking about the idea of a paid premium version. FINALLY he decided to do it. Frankly I think it was to just "shut me up". So a couple of weeks goes by and he starts getting people to pay him for his premium version. I asked him if I could list it on Ebay, and he said yes. He never asked me for any money. We got talking about Ebay , and he said well, I dont really care about Ebay because I doubt people will pay for it anyway. So he wasnt really interested in a cut of the money. BUT, I realized within a few days that this was going to be a hot seller, and I came to him and said "Hey I need to pay you, your cut". Gentarkin said "what cut? You never promised anything from Ebay". I said "look, its making fast sales, I know you didnt agree to a cut but its the right thing to do". So , I started sending him a cut from every single sale, because I felt that was right. This can be confirmed by Gentarkin. Next I said well, I should post this on my site and generate traffic and sales there, and his attitude was "well, ya, I suppose". He didnt seem to realize the business end of things. I started to realize that Gentarkin was an incredibly talented coder, and the best there is as far as this firmware goes, but he had ZERO business sense. But I looked at it and thought well, after running multiple businesses for 20 years, I can help him take this thing to a new level. So sales were doing VERY well on EBay. I created my page for the premium software, and optimized it for search engines, so it was on page 1 for every Kncminer titan firmware search term you can think of. We were getting a 1000 visitors a MONTH (Gentark will confirm), and doing VERY well. Gentarkin was getting paid within the hour of the sale, and because the site was mine, I would have to answer a few hindered emails a month with questions, which he never even knew about because I was making money and he was too, so it didnt bother me.Most days, sales were good. But then Gentarkin started to complain ANY day there was not one sale. This was every day we would go without a sale, he would email me and complain. I have loads of them still I can post to prove. So, I started looking at it and I said "You need to remove the free version from the githib". WHY would ANYONE buy something when they can get it for free. He did NOT understand this concept. He held his ground and said "The free version stays on the github". So, as the weeks past , he would complain any day there was not a sale. So I responded every day and told him you MUST remove that free version, its killing our sales. So he had a free version, EXACT same software, I mean IDENTICAL, and then he wanted me to sell the same software for $50, and I actually did quite well. So as the weeks went on I begged him to remove the free version from the github, and he FINALLY did, but I still dont think he understood why. I think he just wanted me to stop asking him. So as things progressed and the sales became better and better we began to chat almost hourly, we would discuss ideas. Then as the months went on, I realized that we had discussed so many ideas and not 1 of them he implemented. I got upset and I asked him. I said "why do we talk every single day about ideas for months, and you dont even implement even 1 of mine, why are we wasting time like this?". I said I dont care about the money, but show me some respect after discussing all of these ideas, and atleast implement a small one. Months past, and we continued to talk multiple times a day about all these ideas for the frimware. Not one of my ideas he would implement. In fact, he would shut down ANY idea I had approached him with in about 10 seconds flat. So, finally I told him, "look stop discussing ideas with me, because you get me excited that this or that idea will get implemented and you have not ONCE implemented any of my ideas. You make me feel like I am a big part of this project, but your actions tell me Im not. Your actions prove it. Then you ask my opinion on an idea, and the ones that I say I dont like you implement anyway. So I had to rethink my place. My place was to generate sales for us, and answer any/all email questions to customers, and make sure they received their firmware as fast as I could get it to them. Things were going really well, and we were making a lot of money, then in mid-late December 2015 he was going away on vacation. I wished him well, and everything was fine. Now meanwhile Im running the business and doing everything, AND sending his cut to him automatically while he is away. Then on December 29th 2015 , a hidden unannounced website that NOBODY knew about was discovered. http://gentarkincustomtitan.pcriot.com/? Everyone called scam , because NOBODY knew about it. I talked to Gentarkin MULTIPLE times a day and he NEVER mentioned it ONCE.
Now get this:
The website was registered in NOVEMBER 2015!!!
We are chatting like best friends for weeks, and he NEVER mentioned this website to ANYONE?!?!?! Someone found it!! He NEVER announced it!! WHY!?!?!?!? Wouldnt you want EVERYONE to know about your website?!?!
The website was registered in NOVEMBER 2015 , when everything was fine.
So I thought "well, dont draw any conclusions, I ask Gentarkin about this". So I asked him about it, and he said "Well, it was never really going to be anything, I just made it for a backup". I said "backup?" He said ya, you know, if something should happen between me and you. He said "I got a little scared that time you were upset because I wasnt putting any of your ideas into the firmware". He said "while we are on the subject, "can I get a copy of the customer database with all of their emails?" I said "It sounds like your getting rid of me, why?". Have I not takeng this project to new heights you couldnt even dream of? Have I EVER, been dishonest with you , even ONCE, in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM?" He said "No, you have been totally honest, always". I said "then why are you getting rid of me?". He said "Im not getting rid of you, I just need that customer information". I said "no, you dont get to throw me away like trash, Ive been good to you. I said "even though you did the coding, I still busted my but handling all of these transactions, and email questions and marketing" on a daily basis. I said "I get it, now Ive shown you how much money you can make and how, you dont need me anymore!!".
So thats where we ended. He started when I met him by giving his software away for free. I taught him how much money he could make , and how to do it. He decided he could make more now that he knew how and cut me out. That is what this is all about.
Here is our conversation the last couple of days we talked on messenger:
Here is absolute proof, he planned to throw me away like trash right before the release of the biggest update ever, that would make the most money:
gentarkin: well in regards to if I wanted you gone before I release it (Talking about the autotune version)... its not like its unfair, youve been paid for all that testing lol =P
gentarkin: but thats besides the point, just wanted to say its not real unfair[/size]
2:39:41 PM Vegasguy: so this is about money?
2:40:04 PM Vegasguy: You know this software will be a hot seller and you want max profits?
2:40:24 PM gentarkin: well honestly, I would like to handle sales through my siste because ... I really should be handling the money anyways and paying people as I see fit its kinda backwards how its set up now
2:40:24 PM Vegasguy: That just floors me
2:41:00 PM Vegasguy: You always talked about how many people are shitty and go behind your back , in crypto
2:41:09 PM Vegasguy: How IRONIC
2:41:22 PM Vegasguy: I have NEVER wronged you
2:41:29 PM Vegasguy: in any way shape or form
2:41:40 PM Vegasguy: You said money doesnt influence you
2:41:43 PM Vegasguy: and it IS!!
2:41:46 PM gentarkin: ok ok , I get it u keep saying that lol
2:41:56 PM Vegasguy: So why do you want me gone?
2:42:02 PM Vegasguy: Give me a REAL reason
2:42:17 PM Vegasguy: Ive stopped pushing you
2:42:31 PM Vegasguy: Ive stopped asking for my ideas to be implemented
2:42:46 PM Vegasguy: Man, if the roles were reversed..youd be DEVISTAED!!
2:43:01 PM gentarkin: not necissarily
2:43:13 PM Vegasguy: You would think " ohh well, just another scammer , thats fucked me over agaian
2:43:30 PM Vegasguy: I would never DREAM of doing this to you
2:43:34 PM gentarkin: not when theres reason for that person to question my trust initially lol
2:43:55 PM Vegasguy: I dont understand
2:44:12 PM Vegasguy: Ive never done anything wrong to you
2:44:15 PM gentarkin: dude
2:44:19 PM Vegasguy: not one time
Vegasguy: Honestly man, there is no reason for a second site.
3:39:00 PM Vegasguy: and frankly
3:39:04 PM Vegasguy: Im feeling sick
3:39:06 PM gentarkin: Im writing up all the reasons
3:39:07 PM gentarkin: lol
3:39:20 PM Vegasguy: I really am. Im sad
3:39:30 PM Vegasguy: but its ok
3:39:38 PM Vegasguy: Im not even mad
3:39:44 PM gentarkin: why are you sad over switching sites but being just as large a part of the project?
3:39:46 PM Vegasguy: Im hurt
3:40:05 PM Vegasguy: so Ill cooperate with you
3:40:14 PM Vegasguy: just tell me what you want.
3:40:25 PM Vegasguy: and Ill go.
3:40:32 PM Vegasguy: I wish you the best
3:40:37 PM gentarkin: huh
3:40:40 PM gentarkin: I told you
3:40:42 PM gentarkin: already what I want!
3:40:54 PM Vegasguy: for me, its too messy
3:41:00 PM gentarkin: what is?
3:41:15 PM Vegasguy: and I feel like you dont trust me, and I have been 100% true to you
3:41:28 PM Vegasguy: not even 99%
3:41:41 PM Vegasguy: so for now I think I need to be with my wife
3:41:45 PM gentarkin: ok
3:41:46 PM Vegasguy: Im not mad
3:42:06 PM gentarkin: have fun =)
3:42:10 PM gentarkin: w/ ur wife
3:42:11 PM gentarkin: lol
3:42:23 PM Vegasguy: ya..its real funny.
So here I am , Im sad, and I tell him that Ive got it figured out that he is just kicking me to the curb to keep all profits, and I am sad and hurt, and his response "lol"..
Our final words:
10:32:25 AM Vegasguy: I do want to talk to you. But I just cant get upset again today.
10:32:37 AM gentarkin: ok
10:32:42 AM Vegasguy: Im wondering if I we should leave this for a few days
10:32:54 AM Vegasguy: I was devastated yesterday.
10:33:22 AM Vegasguy: Its been a long time since Ive been hurt that bad
10:33:58 AM Vegasguy: The reason is I sorround myself with good, ethical, honest people that have my back, and I have theirs
10:34:18 AM Vegasguy: Im having a good day so far
10:34:27 AM Vegasguy: I just dont want to ruin it again
10:34:44 AM Vegasguy: We will conclude this I just need a little time
10:35:15 AM gentarkin: okies
10:35:21 AM Vegasguy: cool man.
10:35:26 AM Vegasguy: Thanks for understanding
10:35:51 AM Vegasguy: Ill figure out a way we can part fairly
10:36:02 AM Vegasguy: and Ill get over it
10:36:30 AM Vegasguy: Ive been told in my life many times over.. "you care tooo much"
10:36:52 AM Vegasguy: even though I come off aggressive.. its bacause I care sooo much
10:37:09 AM Vegasguy: If I didnt care.. I wouldnt say anything
10:37:40 AM Vegasguy: So Ill try to somehow make it quick and peaceful
10:37:56 AM Vegasguy: Its still gonna suck, but I see no way around that
10:38:31 AM Vegasguy: Im not talking about money either.
10:38:54 AM Vegasguy: I could care less about that. Only that you always got your cut, and as fast as possible.
10:39:03 AM Vegasguy: so let me figure something out
10:39:07 AM Vegasguy: Ebay..
10:39:12 AM Vegasguy: what happends with that?
10:39:25 AM Vegasguy: Thats part of the equasion
10:39:38 AM Vegasguy: We never discussed that
10:40:38 AM Vegasguy: an idea.... I can forward my website to yours.. I keep all ebay, you keep all money from websites
10:41:01 AM Vegasguy: That way you dont have to deal with me, and I wont bother you
10:41:13 AM gentarkin: Im not sure, sounds like ur wanting to just leave the project ... so if thats what you want.... we can discuss that later
Vegasguy: Do you now understand why I was on your ass to drop the free version almost every single day?
10:50:15 AM Vegasguy: Do you see it now?
10:50:42 AM Vegasguy: Admit it or not.. I have been an enormous influence on the financial end of this project
10:51:11 AM Vegasguy: Remember whos idea it was to put it on Ebay?10:51:38 AM Vegasguy: Ive been the driving force behind the financial end of this
10:51:58 AM Vegasguy: So if you want. Ill close Ebay and my site, and leave you to it
10:52:06 AM gentarkin: I get it, and uve been compensated for everything uve put into the project thus far .... so Im not sure why ur so against the idea of relinquishing sales control back to me =/
10:52:21 AM Vegasguy: You have your site
10:52:33 AM Vegasguy: I will close that area of my site
10:52:36 AM Vegasguy: and close ebay
10:52:37 AM Vegasguy: there
10:52:46 AM Vegasguy: ALL control is yours
10:52:54 AM Vegasguy: have at it
10:52:54 AM gentarkin: lol what happened to thinking on his a couple days?
10:53:06 AM Vegasguy: Im ..
10:53:28 AM Vegasguy: I think at this point Im going to leave you to it
10:53:34 AM gentarkin: if u do decide to close sites can I please get a list of emails?
10:53:34 AM Vegasguy: I wont bother you
10:53:52 AM Vegasguy: Really, THATS what you care about?
10:53:57 AM Vegasguy: Are you serious?
10:54:08 AM gentarkin: well if u wanna walk away
10:54:11 AM Vegasguy: That tells me everything
10:54:14 AM gentarkin: I need to be able to hande current customers...
10:54:32 AM Vegasguy: You just told me everything that you really care about
10:54:36 AM Vegasguy: and its not me
10:54:37 AM gentarkin: no i didnt rofl
10:54:57 AM gentarkin: it sounds like u want to just leave ... I didnt tell you
10:55:00 AM gentarkin: so if you leave can I get that list? I need to support the customers
Vegasguy: man, do your thing bro. I have never been so shit on in all my life
To conclude. Here is me telling him how much I cared, and how hurt I was that he setup a hidden website behind my back in preperation of getting rid of me. I tell him im hurt, I feel shit on, his response:
if u do decide to close sites can I please get a list of emails?
That one sentence told me everything. It expained the "hidden website, and what he was planning to do for months. Talking to me every day like best buddies for weeks, not ONCE telling me about that website. WHY??!?!
Remember this line if you want to know who is unethical, and WHO sold out for money:
Here is absolute proof, he planned to throw me away like trash right before the release of the biggest update ever, that would make the most money:
gentarkin: well in regards to if I wanted you gone before I release it (Talking about the autotune version)... its not like its unfair, youve been paid for all that testing lol =P
gentarkin: but thats besides the point, just wanted to say its not real unfair
Thats when I said screw it, Ill post the new version on my site and Ebay. Its open source. Anyone can fork the code and sell it.
The message to Gentarkin was "If it wasnt for me, you would not have made that chunk of cash. You would still be doing work on the firmware in your spare time, and giving it away for free, because that is all you knew. Even after I explained the business side to you over and over again, you just didnt get it. Your motivation skyrocketed and you worked harder than ever before when you started making a nice profit. This was beneficial to the customers and to you (in a much better quality product, and frequency of updates". NONE of this would have happened if I would not have guided you". Now you know how to earn money , you dont need me anymore, and wanted to throw me away like a piece of trash, and I was one of about 2 people in your entire life that was 100% true to you, and you sold me out for more profit. In the future, youll think twice about shitting on those that have been 100% true to you for the sake of money. Enjoy your 100% cut that you so badly wanted".
Customers : When I was involved in this project there was updates every 3-4 days. Now, notice since I left the project 6 weeks ago, there has not even been 1 update. I WAS the "driving force" behind this project. It was dead when I arrived, it came to life while I was here, and it died the day I left. Coincidence?
Vegas
EXCITING NEWS:
Just finished up my first RC build of "Energy Saver" ... will be tested soon. Its almost ready for release woohooo! ~ granted there arent any major bugs that creep up beyond this point ha! =P
Just finished up my first RC build of "Energy Saver" ... will be tested soon. Its almost ready for release woohooo! ~ granted there arent any major bugs that creep up beyond this point ha! =P
Quick PSA:
Vegasguy has re-opened his site and updated his ebay ad.
I want to make PERFECTLY CLEAR ... the version he is selling is fake and unfinished, it is from my test builds. In the terms of version It is NOT the official v1.0 in fact, its my very unfinished and buggy code of the "Energy Saver" edition. Several bugs Ive discovered since then can be detrimental to the Titan.
If you purchase from him, you will receive no support from myself(the creator of the current release v.99e).
Id like to remind everyone once again MY website & the official way to obtain the firmware is http://gentarkincustomtitan.pcriot.com
If any of you are upset about this as I am, I encourage spreading the word to let others know.
Vegasguy has re-opened his site and updated his ebay ad.
I want to make PERFECTLY CLEAR ... the version he is selling is fake and unfinished, it is from my test builds. In the terms of version It is NOT the official v1.0 in fact, its my very unfinished and buggy code of the "Energy Saver" edition. Several bugs Ive discovered since then can be detrimental to the Titan.
If you purchase from him, you will receive no support from myself(the creator of the current release v.99e).
Id like to remind everyone once again MY website & the official way to obtain the firmware is http://gentarkincustomtitan.pcriot.com
If any of you are upset about this as I am, I encourage spreading the word to let others know.
You need to contact ebay....show you are the admin of the github site of your sofware for proof....and get him shut down if not banned from ebay
that should be plenty of info imho to do this with an ebay rep (they will answer voice or did a couple years ago on fraud)
anyway that is all you can do or if you know his real name and address you can sic a lawyer on him
but hell ....the one call to ebay with some proof sent there way may be all it takes...and if they open a 'dispute' per say and put it on hold he will run away
in that in the dispute they will see your facts and you will win
anyway others on here probably know more about this from their businesses ect just saying
Quick PSA:
Vegasguy has re-opened his site and updated his ebay ad.
I want to make PERFECTLY CLEAR ... the version he is selling is fake and unfinished, it is from my test builds. In the terms of version It is NOT the official v1.0 in fact, its my very unfinished and buggy code of the "Energy Saver" edition. Several bugs Ive discovered since then can be detrimental to the Titan.
If you purchase from him, you will receive no support from myself(the creator of the current release v.99e).
Id like to remind everyone once again MY website & the official way to obtain the firmware is http://gentarkincustomtitan.pcriot.com
If any of you are upset about this as I am, I encourage spreading the word to let others know.
Vegasguy has re-opened his site and updated his ebay ad.
I want to make PERFECTLY CLEAR ... the version he is selling is fake and unfinished, it is from my test builds. In the terms of version It is NOT the official v1.0 in fact, its my very unfinished and buggy code of the "Energy Saver" edition. Several bugs Ive discovered since then can be detrimental to the Titan.
If you purchase from him, you will receive no support from myself(the creator of the current release v.99e).
Id like to remind everyone once again MY website & the official way to obtain the firmware is http://gentarkincustomtitan.pcriot.com
If any of you are upset about this as I am, I encourage spreading the word to let others know.
Yeah, the little FET's on there are also very hot. IIRC when I looked through the tech docs on those DCDC's it shows where each DCDC's thermistors are located. I believer there is 2 per DCDC but I could be wrong. The docs also specified 2 key points of measurement for cooling & airflow, one of them was the inductor. Grilling through the tech docs is how I ended up realizing why in most cases these things are being tortured and the way we run them the life expectency is drastically minimized. Which is why I recommend 85-90C webgui readout being the absolute max we push them to.
They are, but the RC network across the inductor (that's how they sense current and stay in phase) is well tuned and I'm guessing the switching frequency is both dynamic and able to sense an impending cut-through with a crowbar of the gates to prevent total failure. The trick is you're supposed to provide airflow around the units, not just on the inductor. That airflow would help keep the caps cool. my guess is they are 105c rated and when it hits that the fun begins.
Oh well.
That is a really, really smart idea. Covering those inductors was one of the more brainless things I have seen.
What do you mean by "covering"? ... the stock plate? Cuz that stock plate actually functions as a single large heatsink ... maybe a poor one but it still does its job.
I haven't actually gotten a temp probe to play, but in almost all cases the real source of heat is not the inductor it's the high side FETs. And those get no air on the 1/2,3/4 supplies. And those are what is right next to the caps that usually blow sky high....
Yeah, the little FET's on there are also very hot. IIRC when I looked through the tech docs on those DCDC's it shows where each DCDC's thermistors are located. I believer there is 2 per DCDC but I could be wrong. The docs also specified 2 key points of measurement for cooling & airflow, one of them was the inductor. Grilling through the tech docs is how I ended up realizing why in most cases these things are being tortured and the way we run them the life expectency is drastically minimized. Which is why I recommend 85-90C webgui readout being the absolute max we push them to.
Did you get a picture of your 'obviously' modified cut down 'heat sink plate' on the above also (or a link)
Here's the one I did a while back on my Neptune. Yep, Titan and Neptune Cubes are both laid out the same. I used a marker, ruler, a rotary with metal cutoff wheel and finished it off with some sandpaper. Oh and I clamped it down of course. You can see the first one got marred by the clamp, the rest I bent a piece of cardboard over it to protect it. Don't stress it too much, it's really not hard. That's the first time I've ever cut a metal plate like that and I have shaky hands! Fair warning though, it will get very hot if you use a rotary! Thanks for the old KnC IP link too, that's great!
For GenTarkin, I also did quite a few temp comparisons between the heatsink and fan upgrades, full gallery here: http://imgur.com/a/zQDSa
yeah thanks glad i tripped over the knc ip address again
wondering if you or others know...or have better google skills then me
but i go to
Internet Archive: Wayback Machine
and there is a crap load of 'saved site' stuff from KNC ..i'm unsure of "how deep" this goes (ie all the way down like 7 layers or more to forums)
BUT
There HAS to be a way ..you can get all these daily 'snapshots' and 'merge them in some manner ...getting out the duplicate links
and maybe just maybe 'merge' the archives into some kinda workable (kinda sorta) mirror for knc forums?
It would not be 'ideal' but better then nothing..er maybe?
anyway I looked at it ..no zip about comp sci stuff like this ....maybe you 'd have better luck or can ask around too as well as others here
so far no luck way over my head
other then that still doing the WinHTTrack program for archiving the IP address anyway
...it takes a bit to grab it all in an archive
anyway what i'm thinking ..perhaps it is NOT possible ..i'd think such could be done thou
anyway tossing it out there for the more skilled then myself (there should be more then a few lol )
here is the IP address (w/o forums) link again
http://168.63.65.32/
and below is the part of that page above (forums) which does NOT work. Thus my merge of wayback machines archive above (er maybe?)
http://forum.kncminer.com/
Did you get a picture of your 'obviously' modified cut down 'heat sink plate' on the above also (or a link)
Here's the one I did a while back on my Neptune. Yep, Titan and Neptune Cubes are both laid out the same. I used a marker, ruler, a rotary with metal cutoff wheel and finished it off with some sandpaper. Oh and I clamped it down of course. You can see the first one got marred by the clamp, the rest I bent a piece of cardboard over it to protect it. Don't stress it too much, it's really not hard. That's the first time I've ever cut a metal plate like that and I have shaky hands! Fair warning though, it will get very hot if you use a rotary! Thanks for the old KnC IP link too, that's great!
For GenTarkin, I also did quite a few temp comparisons between the heatsink and fan upgrades, full gallery here: http://imgur.com/a/zQDSa
That is a really, really smart idea. Covering those inductors was one of the more brainless things I have seen.
What do you mean by "covering"? ... the stock plate? Cuz that stock plate actually functions as a single large heatsink ... maybe a poor one but it still does its job.
I haven't actually gotten a temp probe to play, but in almost all cases the real source of heat is not the inductor it's the high side FETs. And those get no air on the 1/2,3/4 supplies. And those are what is right next to the caps that usually blow sky high....
That is a really, really smart idea. Covering those inductors was one of the more brainless things I have seen.
What do you mean by "covering"? ... the stock plate? Cuz that stock plate actually functions as a single large heatsink ... maybe a poor one but it still does its job.
That is a really, really smart idea. Covering those inductors was one of the more brainless things I have seen.
I need to replace a fan on one of my KNC Titan cubes. What replacement fans have others had good luck with?
Very happy with Noctua NF-A14, a tad louder than stock fan but cools much better.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KFCRF1A?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage
Curious, whats the DCDC temp difference you noticed?
They managed to keep temp below 80F during summer months, but I also added individual heat sinks to the DCDC module (like in Swedish video). Temp would go up to 90 when I was using stock fan.
Edit: mod pic
https://i.imgur.com/7Ob0pNk.jpg?2
Do you mean 80C? ... so basically a 10C decrease using copper & improved fan?
If you meant 80F ... then I meant ... how much did the DCDC temps change as shown in the webgui =) .. cuz those numbers are in C
In stock confugration .. the stock plate just touches the tops(the inductor - where u put copper hs) of those DCDC's right?
Yeah, I meant 80C. Don't forget the non-heat conducting label on top of the DCDC, otherwise heat conductive pad between DCDC and the stock the plate.
Searing, here is the modified plate, I used a band saw to cut the plate.
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