Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 644.

raskul

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Quote from: vesperwillow on February 13, 2014, 02:09:05 PM

Quote from: raskul on February 13, 2014, 02:02:53 PM

Quote from: vesperwillow on February 13, 2014, 02:00:30 PM

Quote from: Mota on February 13, 2014, 01:58:18 PM

you could buy 26 btc atm. you think your order will mine you that much with that 4 pth datacenter incoming?

Mota, he's run the hard numbers. He's got it in the bank pretty much already. Don't doubt him.

this is just trolling ^^
why do some people think they can decide what is best for everybody?
if 1neptune wants to keep their order, then let them get on with it, it doesn't concern you in the slightest. don't be a dick your whole life.

It's not trolling, it's kidding around. I'm as interested in seeing the numbers as anyone else. He's claimed he's proved the math that they will be profitable into 2015, and told us all to do the math. So I'd love to see the math myself since many of us did this math awhile back when BTC was @ $1k/USD and it still wasn't profitable then. Some of us used moving and smoothing averages too.

Even put some magic sprinkles on top.

fair enough, in that case don't be so lazy, do your own numbers Kiss

vesperwillow

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Quote from: raskul on February 13, 2014, 02:02:53 PM

Quote from: vesperwillow on February 13, 2014, 02:00:30 PM

Quote from: Mota on February 13, 2014, 01:58:18 PM

you could buy 26 btc atm. you think your order will mine you that much with that 4 pth datacenter incoming?

Mota, he's run the hard numbers. He's got it in the bank pretty much already. Don't doubt him.

this is just trolling ^^
why do some people think they can decide what is best for everybody?
if 1neptune wants to keep their order, then let them get on with it, it doesn't concern you in the slightest. don't be a dick your whole life.

It's not trolling, it's kidding around. I'm as interested in seeing the numbers as anyone else. He's claimed he's proved the math that they will be profitable into 2015, and told us all to do the math. So I'd love to see the math myself since many of us did this math awhile back when BTC was @ $1k/USD and it still wasn't profitable then. Some of us used moving and smoothing averages too.

Even put some magic sprinkles on top.

raskul

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Quote from: vesperwillow on February 13, 2014, 02:00:30 PM

Quote from: Mota on February 13, 2014, 01:58:18 PM

you could buy 26 btc atm. you think your order will mine you that much with that 4 pth datacenter incoming?

Mota, he's run the hard numbers. He's got it in the bank pretty much already. Don't doubt him.

this is just trolling ^^
why do some people think they can decide what is best for everybody?
if 1neptune wants to keep their order, then let them get on with it, it doesn't concern you in the slightest. don't be a dick your whole life.

vesperwillow

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Quote from: Mota on February 13, 2014, 01:58:18 PM

you could buy 26 btc atm. you think your order will mine you that much with that 4 pth datacenter incoming?

Mota, he's run the hard numbers. He's got it in the bank pretty much already. Don't doubt him.

Mota

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Quote from: chrono030 on February 13, 2014, 01:46:03 PM

Quote from: 1Neptune on February 13, 2014, 01:35:23 PM

Quote from: DPoS on February 13, 2014, 01:28:09 PM

Quote from: 1Neptune on February 13, 2014, 01:23:32 PM

keeping my preorders....

..... I want to make money

does not compute unless you used someone elses money for those preorders

At today's speculation by some about the future rise in the difficulty, no it doesn't. Take the difficulty rise in the past, the present rate, and calculate the percent increases and project that over successive two week periods to the end of the year, then take into account how many TH/s the miners will do and yes, it's still projected to be profitable to the end of the year.

I don't work on emotional speculation. I work with hard numbers. Those hard numbers tell me it's not time to dump the mining gear, in hand and working or preorders. That may change over the next several increases in the difficulty but as of today it hasn't.

Also it's not other people's money, it's mine.

You should also be considering the amount of BTC you could buy with the funds that you have locked up in pre-orders. if that exceeds the amount that you will gain from having the mining, then it is obviously a better idea to get a refund & buy BTC.

+1

you could buy 26 btc atm. you think your order will mine you that much with that 4 pth datacenter incoming?

vesperwillow

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Quote from: 1Neptune on February 13, 2014, 01:35:23 PM

At today's speculation by some about the future rise in the difficulty, no it doesn't. Take the difficulty rise in the past, the present rate, and calculate the percent increases and project that over successive two week periods to the end of the year, then take into account how many TH/s the miners will do and yes, it's still projected to be profitable to the end of the year.

I don't work on emotional speculation. I work with hard numbers. Those hard numbers tell me it's not time to dump the mining gear, in hand and working or preorders. That may change over the next several increases in the difficulty but as of today it hasn't.

You've run hard numbers, projected through the end of the annum, and your equation showed it was still profitable?

Please, do share all of this information, because that's fascinating.

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Quote from: The Avenger on February 13, 2014, 01:17:16 PM

Ooh, guy from Cloudhashing selling his Jupiters. Something afoot in the world of cloud hashing? Tongue

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KNC-Jupiter-Bitcoin-Miner-550-GH-s-1YR-HOSTING-POWER-INCLUDED-/301095722210

He had said somewhere that he has a large order from either CoinTerra of HashFast (or both) guess he's making room for the theoretical 2TH/s per box miners.

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Quote from: chrono030 on February 13, 2014, 01:46:03 PM

Quote from: 1Neptune on February 13, 2014, 01:35:23 PM

Quote from: DPoS on February 13, 2014, 01:28:09 PM

Quote from: 1Neptune on February 13, 2014, 01:23:32 PM

keeping my preorders....

..... I want to make money

does not compute unless you used someone elses money for those preorders

At today's speculation by some about the future rise in the difficulty, no it doesn't. Take the difficulty rise in the past, the present rate, and calculate the percent increases and project that over successive two week periods to the end of the year, then take into account how many TH/s the miners will do and yes, it's still projected to be profitable to the end of the year.

I don't work on emotional speculation. I work with hard numbers. Those hard numbers tell me it's not time to dump the mining gear, in hand and working or preorders. That may change over the next several increases in the difficulty but as of today it hasn't.

Also it's not other people's money, it's mine.

You should also be considering the amount of BTC you could buy with the funds that you have locked up in pre-orders. if that exceeds the amount that you will gain from having the mining, then it is obviously a better idea to get a refund & buy BTC.

I've considered that but with the day to day fluctuations in btc price one can't get a reliable determination day to day. One BTC is $637.16 as I write this, a couple of weeks ago it fluctuated between $800 and $900. A few weeks before that it was $900 to over $1000. Some poor trader actually sold some BTC on btc-e February 10th for $102, and that caused down spikes on the other exchanges, for example $530 on bitstamp. A method used to predict changes in the price of stocks on the NYSE and giving buy or sell signals, called exponential smoothing, should be used when including the BTC price in profitability calculations and you of course have to include the BTC price.

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Quote from: 1Neptune on February 13, 2014, 01:35:23 PM

Quote from: DPoS on February 13, 2014, 01:28:09 PM

Quote from: 1Neptune on February 13, 2014, 01:23:32 PM

keeping my preorders....

..... I want to make money

does not compute unless you used someone elses money for those preorders

At today's speculation by some about the future rise in the difficulty, no it doesn't. Take the difficulty rise in the past, the present rate, and calculate the percent increases and project that over successive two week periods to the end of the year, then take into account how many TH/s the miners will do and yes, it's still projected to be profitable to the end of the year.

I don't work on emotional speculation. I work with hard numbers. Those hard numbers tell me it's not time to dump the mining gear, in hand and working or preorders. That may change over the next several increases in the difficulty but as of today it hasn't.

Also it's not other people's money, it's mine.

You should also be considering the amount of BTC you could buy with the funds that you have locked up in pre-orders. if that exceeds the amount that you will gain from having the mining, then it is obviously a better idea to get a refund & buy BTC.

1Neptune

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Quote from: DPoS on February 13, 2014, 01:28:09 PM

Quote from: 1Neptune on February 13, 2014, 01:23:32 PM

keeping my preorders....

..... I want to make money

does not compute unless you used someone elses money for those preorders

At today's speculation by some about the future rise in the difficulty, no it doesn't. Take the difficulty rise in the past, the present rate, and calculate the percent increases and project that over successive two week periods to the end of the year, then take into account how many TH/s the miners will do and yes, it's still projected to be profitable to the end of the year.

I don't work on emotional speculation. I work with hard numbers. Those hard numbers tell me it's not time to dump the mining gear, in hand and working or preorders. That may change over the next several increases in the difficulty but as of today it hasn't.

Also it's not other people's money, it's mine.

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Quote from: DPoS on February 13, 2014, 01:31:07 PM

Quote from: The Avenger on February 13, 2014, 01:17:16 PM

Ooh, guy from Cloudhashing selling his Jupiters. Something afoot in the world of cloud hashing? Tongue

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KNC-Jupiter-Bitcoin-Miner-550-GH-s-1YR-HOSTING-POWER-INCLUDED-/301095722210

BTC sub $600 scaring the hell out of him probably

And he obviously knows how much hashrate cloudhashing are bringing online and when, hence the sale? Read it as Cloudhashing getting that 2PH online within a week or so?

And then this guy:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261397866066

12 Jupiters for sale in one lot Shocked

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Quote from: The Avenger on February 13, 2014, 01:17:16 PM

Ooh, guy from Cloudhashing selling his Jupiters. Something afoot in the world of cloud hashing? Tongue

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KNC-Jupiter-Bitcoin-Miner-550-GH-s-1YR-HOSTING-POWER-INCLUDED-/301095722210

BTC sub $600 scaring the hell out of him probably

DPoS

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Quote from: 1Neptune on February 13, 2014, 01:23:32 PM

keeping my preorders....

..... I want to make money

does not compute unless you used someone elses money for those preorders

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Quote from: bronan on February 13, 2014, 12:59:04 PM

Quote from: perezoso on February 04, 2014, 05:28:25 PM

Quote from: xstr8guy on February 04, 2014, 05:20:18 PM

I'm not done mining quite yet. I'll keep all of my existing preorders, really just because I want to geek out on them. But I'm done buying any new mining gear, preorder or in-hand. I will continue to let my current gear run until they become unprofitable and then unplug them. And then I'm done.

Ding! +1

Best post in this thread for a super long time
I do not know how to scroll fast enough the enormous fud and muddy crap which is posted in between some post like these.
Ding Ding +10

GONG! * 3.14159265358^2

I'll keep mining until not profitable and that includes keeping my preorders, but not to just geek out on them as I want to make money (or as the Swedish tax authority says, art) from them. Done buying any new mining gear as well. After mining no longer profitable, arb is the new order of the days going forward.

The Avenger

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Ooh, guy from Cloudhashing selling his Jupiters. Something afoot in the world of cloud hashing? Tongue

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KNC-Jupiter-Bitcoin-Miner-550-GH-s-1YR-HOSTING-POWER-INCLUDED-/301095722210

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Quote from: perezoso on February 04, 2014, 05:28:25 PM

Quote from: xstr8guy on February 04, 2014, 05:20:18 PM

I'm not done mining quite yet. I'll keep all of my existing preorders, really just because I want to geek out on them. But I'm done buying any new mining gear, preorder or in-hand. I will continue to let my current gear run until they become unprofitable and then unplug them. And then I'm done.

Ding! +1

Best post in this thread for a super long time
I do not know how to scroll fast enough the enormous fud and muddy crap which is posted in between some post like these.
Ding Ding +10

DPoS

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Quote from: The Avenger on February 13, 2014, 11:58:19 AM

Quote from: DPoS on February 13, 2014, 11:49:57 AM

Quote from: The Avenger on February 13, 2014, 11:44:03 AM

The major question in my mind is whether KNC are paying tax on their mining profits? If they aren't and they get audited by the Swedish taxman - that'll be the end of the bitcoin empire in the arctic circle.

I think the whole miner world would like to know how they will report (expenses, deductions... cost basis...)

Did any major mining farm from last year post their own guidance? It is still an area of much debate and specualtion

Googled. Funnily enough, this seemed to coincide quite neatly with when KNC suddenly decided to stop selling hardware to us:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-21/bitcoin-becomes-art-as-swedish-taxman-rejects-creative-currency.html

Swedish tax authority are treating bitcoin as assets.

So the tens if not hundreds of thousands of bitcoin KNC have mined already are to be taxed as assets, they probably owe multi-millions in tax. Hmm... another use for the Neptune pre-order money? Wink

and the miner question still looms large up there as well ...

"Swedish tax authorities are also looking into how to treat Bitcoin miners -- programmers who unlock new Bitcoins by using ever-faster computers to solve complex mathematical problems. Wallin said the question is whether they should be taxed as businesses, a classification that would allow them to deduct some equipment from taxes.

The challenge remains tracking a new market whose size and scope can be hard to gauge, even for regulators.

“I don’t think there are that many,” Wallin said. “But they have been calling us for answers.”

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Quote from: DPoS on February 13, 2014, 11:49:57 AM

Quote from: The Avenger on February 13, 2014, 11:44:03 AM

The major question in my mind is whether KNC are paying tax on their mining profits? If they aren't and they get audited by the Swedish taxman - that'll be the end of the bitcoin empire in the arctic circle.

I think the whole miner world would like to know how they will report (expenses, deductions... cost basis...)

Did any major mining farm from last year post their own guidance? It is still an area of much debate and specualtion

Googled. Funnily enough, this seemed to coincide quite neatly with when KNC suddenly decided to stop selling hardware to us:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-21/bitcoin-becomes-art-as-swedish-taxman-rejects-creative-currency.html

Swedish tax authority are treating bitcoin as assets.

So the tens if not hundreds of thousands of bitcoin KNC have mined already are to be taxed as assets, they probably owe multi-millions in tax. Hmm... another use for the Neptune pre-order money? Wink

DPoS

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Quote from: The Avenger on February 13, 2014, 11:44:03 AM

The major question in my mind is whether KNC are paying tax on their mining profits? If they aren't and they get audited by the Swedish taxman - that'll be the end of the bitcoin empire in the arctic circle.

I think the whole miner world would like to know how they will report (expenses, deductions... cost basis...)

Did any major mining farm from last year post their own guidance? It is still an area of much debate and specualtion

The Avenger

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Quote from: DPoS on February 13, 2014, 11:37:41 AM

Quote from: The Avenger on February 13, 2014, 11:28:20 AM

Quote from: joeventura on February 13, 2014, 11:16:41 AM

You can watch the KNC farm grow here:

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1A73ExsM2doRwTLp82rv5U36QHbBFmHD1X

They are just starting and already mining 5BTC every few hours - exactly how much a Neptune will mine in it's entire lifetime starting on 1st July Grin

every few hours??? better look at that again..much more frequent

Oh yeah, so it is.

I think this explains why they are taking 7-10 days to give BTC refunds - they have to mine them first Cheesy

Then they essentially get to keep the money the customer paid and pass them some mined coins instead.

The major question in my mind is whether KNC are paying tax on their mining profits? If they aren't and they get audited by the Swedish taxman - that'll be the end of the bitcoin empire in the arctic circle.

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