Topic: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 648. (Read 3050080 times)

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I asked for the bank info-and thanks for that.

I hope that you did not direct the rest of the message at me "warped agenda, etc." I just joined the site a few weeks back, so whatever battles were fought here before-it is all new to me.

Smart move!

 Hi,

In order to process your refund we would need for you to provide us with the details as listed below.

For European banks we would need the following:

Full name of account holder -
The full name of the bank -
The complete address of your bank -
The account number -
IBAN -
SWIFT/BIC -

For American or Canadian banks we would need the following.

Full name of account holder -
The full name of the bank -
The complete address of your bank -
The routing/clearing number -
The account number -
SWIFT -

Thanks in advance.

Med vänlig hälsning |  Best regards

Kurt Radcliffe



As for a mysterious agenda, i dont like liars or being lied to. I dont like seeing or hearing others being lied to or ripped off.

My sense of justice goes haywire and i. want.justice....

Nor do i like thick headed simpletons who wont STFU or admit culpability, especially in the glaring face of obviousness.

changing your name/opening yet another account 'to avoid the trolls' is absolute BULLSHIT. these people are lying, subvertive SCUM who will use ANY excuse, lie, distortion, to build up 'trustworthiness' with the sole intention of ripping someone off in the near future

to be quite frank i think there should be a blanket ban on the IPs of liars, crooks, scammers, and fact distorters so they dont infect the rest of us.

Greed is contagious, liars spread their filth among us willy nilly and most of you seem to lap it up and go on the offensive for the scammers & liars....

it seems you may have a warped agenda of your own, support all scammers, liars and rip-off merchants....

i wish you luck .... very bad luck!

I don't understand why they accept payment via Bitpay and that if they refund via Bitpay why Bitpay would hold itself to respecting the current bitstamp rate.

Yes.
You don't think they have a wallet with enough Bitcoin already to refund a Neptune order?
But they need a publicly agreed way of calculating how much Bitcoin to refund.

"Server hall will be ready in about a month."

Again what is your agenda exactly?

Well I officially decided to pull the plug on my batch #1 Neptune pre-order after just buying more BTC than I could ever hope it will mine for the same price. I can't imagine why anybody is holding onto their orders at this point...

We'll need some input from Swedish speaking members, but this looks like video from the new datacentre.

With machines hashing already. Mining the bitcoins to compensate the Neptune customers in July Biffa?

Not more than 5% though, of course.

http://www.gp.se/nyheter/sverige/1.2276893-datorhall-for-bitcoin-byggs-i-boden

Med vänlig hälsning

No is speculation that they will do that, all we have heard it's that they are building a mine for the purposes of providing either compensatory hash rate to their customers if Neptune is late or if said customers would prefer to switch from hardware customer to cloud customer. You are adding your own spin on the concept to make it appear in a negative light.

Nothing is proven. They may even deliver Neptune within the timescale they estimated. They may not. I understand your frustration if you were expecting more upgrade boards for your Saturn or Mercury but that's unlikely to happen and has been for some time.

I think that any  28nm machines they do make for the mine will be designed specifically for that express purpose and would be completely at odds with mining at home. They will be probably more efficient than the Nov batch and may be the test bed for technology that will be incorporated in Neptune.

I know it's suits yours and Avengers and edgers mysterious agenda to perpetrate this ill will and I wish you all could clearly define what it is you are trying to achieve, because it's certainly getting boring fast.

It's not like you are saving noobss from buying because KNC stopped selling ages ago.

Do you want something that you are not willing to share? An apology or some donation of thanks? I just don't get where all this angst is going sorry.

it is a fact that KNC are using the 28nm chips for themselves instead of manufacturing and selling miners/upgrade modules to protect their customers share of the network.   
or am I dreaming

this is speculation... they will delay the so called upgrade module sales a couple more difficulty jumps so it ends up being worthless to us small time miners

Ah, I see. So now you claim to not be descended from a monkey. Otherwise it's useless to try and explain something to yourself, as you so clearly cannot comprehend a simple statement such as "...at Bitstamp's exchange rate at the moment of the refund taking place." What part of that is so difficult for your brain cell to comprehend? The word "rate"? Or "moment"? Or the string of letters forming words that strung together form a sentence to convey a thought?

To be fair there aren't any facts just speculation and guesswork.

Nice try on changing the subject.
You really think they would say "at Bitstamp's exchange rate at the moment of the refund taking place." and refund from elsewhere?
This is like explaining isotropic vector matrix equilibrium to a monkey. Useless.

You clearly haven't kept up with the entire thread, and the KNC forums, or spoken to any insiders, or Bitcoinorama.


Referring you back to my first response above.


They aren't leaving an AFFORDABLE option, if you include context of ROI with 'affordable'.

Again, referencing my first response. It's as if you haven't studied any of the facts at all. And I'm not just talking of the last 20 pages.. or even 500. All of it.

I did and she said she wants her underwear back. Stop stealing her underwear and wearing it to work you sick puppy.

Regarding the pic - are knc not taking money, promising delivery at a certain date and then once they have collected everybodies money, announcing delays ala BFL? The picture + caption stands as good now as it did in November when they failed to deliver.

They will NOT NOT NOT deliver in Q1. That's totally obvious now to everyone, although pretty clear to many of us since last year.

And they are building a datacentre "just in case" they don't deliver in Q2?? Who believes that bullshit?!

Anyone building a datacentre "just in case" either
- having worked on Neptune design since mid December (their words), they now realised they totally can't deliver in Q2.
or
- it's an excuse to build a datacentre for themselves, breaking all their promises to previous customers, but trying to pretend it's only for their customers benefit.

I've pointed out a million ways it won't benefit their customers, but whatever. You/they can see it whatever way you like. Be positive about this one and see where it gets you.

Regarding the email you have from Sam, there was plenty "we won't forget the help you have given us" bs floating around before October, when they really needed people's money. But now they have stabbed everyone in the back, broken all their promises and won't sell existing customers anything.

If you believe the content of that email from "humble we need your help sam" is still valid and is what "we are visionary millionaires, let's build an empire in the arctic circle next to facebook sam" is thinking now, either you haven't been following this thread or you are way too gullible. Or maybe my mom's underwear is squeezing your brain too much  

Because the driving force of all things is personal gain. I want a larger share than you so that I will make more. Hence, larger/faster/more efficient machines. As I said before, I'm not trying to advocate the actions of KnC, but it is entirely inevitable that overall selfish greed drives intent for larger profit. Nobody will resign to a gentleman's agreement and say, my slice of the cake is large enough.

But they're not leaving the little guy with no option -they will offer affordable cloudhashing. Maybe you're not thinking about a small enough guy? You can't deny that cloudhashing is extremely accessible and more affordable to every average person. There is a tremendously wider customer market for such a service. What percentage of people do you think has the capacity to run, mod and maintain a miner at home?

As far as what KnC chooses to do; 1)Create larger machines for cloudhashing services or 2) create many, many cheap chips to distribute among small miners -that's entirely their prerogative to choose for their business. If you don't agree with that model or share that same perspective, you can vote with your wallet by buying from another vendor. (Hopefully, we see more manufacturers that do take route 2 as I DON'T want to subscribe to cloudhashing either)

Says he that dumped all his Neptunes, talked his brother into doing the same, as both fell for the latest marketing hype of a brand new group claiming to be soon to market and actual production of 20nm machines, then pleads desperately with the community to help recover his stolen btc after he discovers his due diligence wasn't so well done after all.

Yeah... right... reading comprehension. I see why so many others on this board detest you so much.

I respect what you're trying to say, but this statement by KnC is a little bit BS IMO.  Who's in charge of making this "more and more" expensive hardware?   Why do these manufacturers insist on end-goals of creating >1TH machines that consume more power than the average home circuit will allow?  

They don't have to, they choose to.  If KnC cared about the little guy, why not package a single 28nm die and sell it to third party designer/manufactures just like everyone else?  I think it's a little hypocritical to talk about how poor it is of manufacturers to leave the little guy with no option, then turn around and do exactly that.  Instead they're just pushing to make larger power hungry machinery meant for datacenters.  That's fine, but don't pass off a private 10PH farm under their direct control as a means to supporting the little guy.

ROFL... right.     Like I said...reading comprehension