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Topic: Switzerland to vote on $2,800 monthly ‘basic income’ for adults - page 4. (Read 7996 times)

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Switzerland is one of the most highly taxed countries in the world. They also provide great healthcare & drug rehabilitation programs. However setting a basic income of $2800 monthly will make it near impossible for certain businesses to operate.

That's what I have been saying all along. Some people want to raise the taxes from 40% to 400%. How is that even possible?

Because some people like the idea of how many votes a "free money" law will bring them.
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Switzerland is one of the most highly taxed countries in the world. They also provide great healthcare & drug rehabilitation programs. However setting a basic income of $2800 monthly will make it near impossible for certain businesses to operate.

That's what I have been saying all along. Some people want to raise the taxes from 40% to 400%. How is that even possible?

Just tax 100% of 2.8k from those who don't need it to live. Simple Grin

It happened in the URSS , and it wasn't the best idea around.
People will stop working if they will get the same amount of money by sleeping all day and counting sheep.
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Switzerland is one of the most highly taxed countries in the world. They also provide great healthcare & drug rehabilitation programs. However setting a basic income of $2800 monthly will make it near impossible for certain businesses to operate.

That's what I have been saying all along. Some people want to raise the taxes from 40% to 400%. How is that even possible?

Just tax 100% of 2.8k from those who don't need it to live. Simple Grin

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legendary
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Just tax 100% of 2.8k from those who don't need it to live. Simple Grin

Do you think that the HNWIs will be stupid enough to pay 100% tax? They'll just pack up their bags and move to low-tax countries such as Russia and UAE. Just take a look at what happened in France.

And one more thing. The total taxable revenue for the entire Switzerland is around $300 billion, of which some $120 b is already being collected as tax.

In order to give everyone $2.8K per month:

1. A total of $188 b worth additional taxes should be collected. So the net tax becomes $308 billion, which is almost 103% of the total revenue.

2. Every citizen in Switzerland will pay a 103% tax, all the corporations will pay 103% tax... and even the real estate dealings will be taxed by 103%.

Imagine a situation where someone getting $30 or $40 million in annual salary has to pay all of that in tax, and have to live off the $2.8K you are offering.  Grin
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Switzerland is one of the most highly taxed countries in the world. They also provide great healthcare & drug rehabilitation programs. However setting a basic income of $2800 monthly will make it near impossible for certain businesses to operate.

That's what I have been saying all along. Some people want to raise the taxes from 40% to 400%. How is that even possible?

Just tax 100% of 2.8k from those who don't need it to live. Simple Grin
legendary
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Switzerland is one of the most highly taxed countries in the world. They also provide great healthcare & drug rehabilitation programs. However setting a basic income of $2800 monthly will make it near impossible for certain businesses to operate.

That's what I have been saying all along. Some people want to raise the taxes from 40% to 400%. How is that even possible?
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Switzerland is one of the most highly taxed countries in the world. They also provide great healthcare & drug rehabilitation programs. However setting a basic income of $2800 monthly will make it near impossible for certain businesses to operate.
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Excuse my ignorance! What is a gypsy? Google images gives me women that looks like they are going to the Renaissance Fair.


https://www.google.com/search?q=gypsy&client=firefox-a&hs=2Fs&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=2SulUoLjO5HZoAS0-IGACQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1600&bih=759



Google for "tigani" , that's the Romanian term and set your results for Romanian only.
You'll see a totally different pictures.

And don't expect anything like Jennifer Lopez video:)

^^ haha
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lol so many people in this thread concerned with nation states and their borders, and reasoning in xenophobic and scarcity thinking, hasn't Bitcoin taught you anything?

Bitcoin has tough me only two things , first one will be to buy and hold till 10 000!.
The second one is to always use escrow because 50% of people are trying to scam and bitcoin , with no charge back option is their perfect heaven.

So no , bitcoin isn't bringing the "best" in human nature to the surface!

newbie
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Excuse my ignorance! What is a gypsy? Google images gives me women that looks like they are going to the Renaissance Fair.


https://www.google.com/search?q=gypsy&client=firefox-a&hs=2Fs&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=2SulUoLjO5HZoAS0-IGACQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1600&bih=759



Google for "tigani" , that's the Romanian term and set your results for Romanian only.
You'll see a totally different pictures.

And don't expect anything like Jennifer Lopez video:)
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The obvious comment is the source of payment, who will pay so much money !!
In my ideal conception, this one is very easily solved considering the roughly 480 Billion Euros accumulated by the Swiss National Bank in just a few years, with the grandiose illusion of maintaining a minimum exchange rate and bailing out the Euro and the more real reason of European solidarity and piling on debt on the Swiss economy. This is lost money in the near future anyway, so one could even consider just handing out Euros.

It is not that easy. The 480 billion Euros currently held by the Swiss bank is the amount accumulated over many decades. It won't be enough for 3 years of handouts. After that what they'll do?

Also, even if the Swiss bank offloads just one-third of its reserves, the Swiss Franc will collapse by 100% or 200%. (Right now 1 CHF = 1.1 USD, it can become 1 CHF = 0.4 or 0.5 USD).

That is false, it is not many decades, the minimum exchange rate of 1.2 dates roughly from september 2011 with the decision to buy unlimited amount of Euros. Reserves of other currencies obviously exist for a long time but absolutely nothing in comparaison with the rate as of autumn 2011. Some months, more than 66 billion dollar worth of Euros were bought, roughly 7 million every minute. This will not last for many decades. Edit: Also, the Euro has barely been around for 1 decade..

Having Euro in reserve is a liability, not a strength and for your information that massive buying of Euros was precisely to stop the appreciation of the Swiss franc vs Other currencies so offloading it would more likely lead to an increase valuation.
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Excuse my ignorance! What is a gypsy? Google images gives me women that looks like they are going to the Renaissance Fair.


https://www.google.com/search?q=gypsy&client=firefox-a&hs=2Fs&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=2SulUoLjO5HZoAS0-IGACQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1600&bih=759


Gypsies are the descendents of refugees that came from India to Southeast Europe, when Islam did there the usual convert-or-die a few centuries ago.
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http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/my-big-fat-gypsy-wedding/lists/all-about-gypsies.htm

Today i learned :     They dont like the lower half of their bodies.



Back to the free money nonsense.. 
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The obvious comment is the source of payment, who will pay so much money !!
In my ideal conception, this one is very easily solved considering the roughly 480 Billion Euros accumulated by the Swiss National Bank in just a few years, with the grandiose illusion of maintaining a minimum exchange rate and bailing out the Euro and the more real reason of European solidarity and piling on debt on the Swiss economy. This is lost money in the near future anyway, so one could even consider just handing out Euros.

It is not that easy. The 480 billion Euros currently held by the Swiss bank is the amount accumulated over many decades. It won't be enough for 3 years of handouts. After that what they'll do?

Also, even if the Swiss bank offloads just one-third of its reserves, the Swiss Franc will collapse by 100% or 200%. (Right now 1 CHF = 1.1 USD, it can become 1 CHF = 0.4 or 0.5 USD).
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lol so many people in this thread concerned with nation states and their borders, and reasoning in xenophobic and scarcity thinking, hasn't Bitcoin taught you anything?
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I think that is a great thing if it gets accepted.Then finally you dont
have to think about how to put some food on the table and you could do things
that you really like doing.
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i would not support that but i like their way of democracy, enviable.
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Before we continue on this topic , where do you leave (name the country I don't need your address , not sending you any pizza Smiley and how much do you know about this gypsy community?

I live outside the EU. And I know enough about the Roma, to distinguish a Lovari from a Kalderash and a Sinti from a Vlax.

I get your point. You are claiming that the local law enforcement will be powerless against the Roma, as has been the case in France, Italy, Spain.etc

I've been living with them close to my neighborhood for almost 20 years.
Even before Romania was into the EU , those people had no problem entering Italy and Germany. No r will they have with Switzerland.

You can't deal with people who grow kids and send them 1 years to school to qualify for state aid , then send them to beg at every corner.
You can't deal with people that refuse to work for 500 euros , but will gladly stay and watch the sun all day long for 100.
You can't deal with people that refuse work , but would rather spend hours and hours watching an unguarded road then work 5 house to cut cables or street signs or even railway tracks to sold them for a few pennies.
You can deal with people you spend so much money into deportation that come the next day back.


Also , vlax are not gypsies.
And the term Roma is used for far more peoples than gypsies alone.



These westerners have no idea with what they will have to deal.
All they do all day it's shout , save the stray dogs , save the gypsy  from Romania , but wait until they will have the problem on their doorstep.
Ps. I'm from BUCURESTI Smiley
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