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Quote from: coinism on January 04, 2022, 05:14:53 AM

They were strongest team with non-native players while they are weak with native players. There was so much discrimination in SA team that there is zero black player in SA team for almost two decades. Let the non-native white players migrate to other countries and play for them. Every country team must have native players, no matter how strong or weak they are.

What the hell do you mean by non-native?

Read the history books and you will learn that the whites have a longer history in South Africa when compared to the blacks. Eudoxus of Cyzicus was the first European to visit the Cape of Good Hope in BC 130. The first white settlement was established in 1652 by Jan van Riebeeck. Most of the black South Africans migrated to the country during 18th and 19th centuries, and they became the majority by exterminating the native Bushmen population. It is ridiculous that you want the white South Africans to migrate to other countries. They are as native as anyone else.

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Quote from: virasog on January 04, 2022, 01:30:17 PM

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Whatever happened in South Africa is specific to the cricket board of that country. Two decades back, they were without any argument the strongest team in international cricket. And now they don't even rank among the top-5. Dozens of talented players were lost to their controversial selection policy. Some of them managed to migrate to other countries and find a place in the playing XIs. But the vast majority relegated themselves in to playing county cricket and never got a taste of international game. Just imagine how strong South Africa would have been, if they had players like Devon Conway, Marnus Labuschagne, Neil Wagner and Jason Roy still playing for them.

They were strongest team with non-native players while they are weak with native players. There was so much discrimination in SA team that there is zero black player in SA team for almost two decades. Let the non-native white players migrate to other countries and play for them. Every country team must have native players, no matter how strong or weak they are.

South Africa cricket board is helpless when it comes to the selection of native or non-native players in their cricket team. The government and people of south africa want their native players to represent the national team. They won't care if the performance of the teams is weaken by this decision. After all, they are satisfied that its the African team who is playing, and not the white English players, playing on their behalf.
The locals of South Africa deserve to be in the team. If they practice they may become good players and good team in future. If you never try, then how can you come out of this bubble and always remain at the mercy of non-native players.

Yes, it will take some time for SA to get back their previous reputation with native players but they should allow some non-native players to be part of the squad after all these non-native citizens are born and brought up in that country only and they are part of the society. In my opinion equal chance should be given to everyone.

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Quote from: coinism on January 04, 2022, 05:14:53 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 03, 2022, 09:18:16 PM

Whatever happened in South Africa is specific to the cricket board of that country. Two decades back, they were without any argument the strongest team in international cricket. And now they don't even rank among the top-5. Dozens of talented players were lost to their controversial selection policy. Some of them managed to migrate to other countries and find a place in the playing XIs. But the vast majority relegated themselves in to playing county cricket and never got a taste of international game. Just imagine how strong South Africa would have been, if they had players like Devon Conway, Marnus Labuschagne, Neil Wagner and Jason Roy still playing for them.

They were strongest team with non-native players while they are weak with native players. There was so much discrimination in SA team that there is zero black player in SA team for almost two decades. Let the non-native white players migrate to other countries and play for them. Every country team must have native players, no matter how strong or weak they are.

South Africa cricket board is helpless when it comes to the selection of native or non-native players in their cricket team. The government and people of south africa want their native players to represent the national team. They won't care if the performance of the teams is weaken by this decision. After all, they are satisfied that its the African team who is playing, and not the white English players, playing on their behalf.
The locals of South Africa deserve to be in the team. If they practice they may become good players and good team in future. If you never try, then how can you come out of this bubble and always remain at the mercy of non-native players.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 03, 2022, 09:18:16 PM

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This is massive concern now that ICC is not interested into spreading of this game and thinking all about IPL money which can bring down more in quality and marketing many other countries can suffer from this they need to bring some stick rules for all countries about this which help them as well for having better domestic system for generating money and having more players for their better and secure future. After West Indies now we are having problems in Sri Lanka and South Africa where cricket is losing charm and good future.

Whatever happened in South Africa is specific to the cricket board of that country. Two decades back, they were without any argument the strongest team in international cricket. And now they don't even rank among the top-5. Dozens of talented players were lost to their controversial selection policy. Some of them managed to migrate to other countries and find a place in the playing XIs. But the vast majority relegated themselves in to playing county cricket and never got a taste of international game. Just imagine how strong South Africa would have been, if they had players like Devon Conway, Marnus Labuschagne, Neil Wagner and Jason Roy still playing for them.

Although these situations in West Indies, Sri Lanka, and SA are based on their respective boards but I do think that if ICC wanted, they could have repealed such a situation before it even happened.

If a board is doing injustice towards players or some sort of that, ICC should take necessary steps in order to maintain the player level and the quality of cricket high. But if this trend keeps on going, every board will have internal problems in the next 5 or 10 years which are never good for the future of the game let alone expanding it.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 03, 2022, 09:18:16 PM

Whatever happened in South Africa is specific to the cricket board of that country. Two decades back, they were without any argument the strongest team in international cricket. And now they don't even rank among the top-5. Dozens of talented players were lost to their controversial selection policy. Some of them managed to migrate to other countries and find a place in the playing XIs. But the vast majority relegated themselves in to playing county cricket and never got a taste of international game. Just imagine how strong South Africa would have been, if they had players like Devon Conway, Marnus Labuschagne, Neil Wagner and Jason Roy still playing for them.

They were strongest team with non-native players while they are weak with native players. There was so much discrimination in SA team that there is zero black player in SA team for almost two decades. Let the non-native white players migrate to other countries and play for them. Every country team must have native players, no matter how strong or weak they are.

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Quote from: GbitG on January 03, 2022, 03:12:39 PM

This is massive concern now that ICC is not interested into spreading of this game and thinking all about IPL money which can bring down more in quality and marketing many other countries can suffer from this they need to bring some stick rules for all countries about this which help them as well for having better domestic system for generating money and having more players for their better and secure future. After West Indies now we are having problems in Sri Lanka and South Africa where cricket is losing charm and good future.

Whatever happened in South Africa is specific to the cricket board of that country. Two decades back, they were without any argument the strongest team in international cricket. And now they don't even rank among the top-5. Dozens of talented players were lost to their controversial selection policy. Some of them managed to migrate to other countries and find a place in the playing XIs. But the vast majority relegated themselves in to playing county cricket and never got a taste of international game. Just imagine how strong South Africa would have been, if they had players like Devon Conway, Marnus Labuschagne, Neil Wagner and Jason Roy still playing for them.

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Well, I didn't know that and thanks for the kind information of yours.
But the past has gone and now we gotta focus on what the future holds for cricket. In order to expand cricket again, ICC has to undertake some huge challenges, and maybe advertising or good enough marketing could be a start to a long journey for ICC. In this era of social media, advertising shouldn't be a problem for them in my opinion.

Its irony that Cricket s among top 3 sports worldwide but is limited to few selective countries only. ICC is helpless these days and dont expect anything good from ICC these days as decision makers are England, Aus and India. The focus these days is only IPL, nobody is worried about bringing more countries to cricket.

This is massive concern now that ICC is not interested into spreading of this game and thinking all about IPL money which can bring down more in quality and marketing many other countries can suffer from this they need to bring some stick rules for all countries about this which help them as well for having better domestic system for generating money and having more players for their better and secure future. After West Indies now we are having problems in Sri Lanka and South Africa where cricket is losing charm and good future.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 02, 2022, 09:45:11 PM

Actually cricket is not a new sport to many of the European and African nations. When Jagmohan Dalmiya was the president of the ICC (1990s), he undertook several programs to expand the popularity of cricket outside the test playing nations and as a result there were close to 100 nations with their own cricket teams by the year 2000 (with native players). Then two things happened - first the Srinivasan/Pawar mafia got control of the ICC, and then the eligibility criteria was changed. And this destroyed whatever progress that was achieved by Dalmiya in the 90s.

I guess 90 era was when ICC was in control of England and Aus and after 2000 India join in and now India is biggest player in controlling ICC. There is no future of cricket in spreading to other countries, it will remain limited to these few countries only. ICC is now under big 3 tight control and they will rule it for coming decade.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on January 03, 2022, 12:18:41 PM

Well, I didn't know that and thanks for the kind information of yours.
But the past has gone and now we gotta focus on what the future holds for cricket. In order to expand cricket again, ICC has to undertake some huge challenges, and maybe advertising or good enough marketing could be a start to a long journey for ICC. In this era of social media, advertising shouldn't be a problem for them in my opinion.

Its irony that Cricket s among top 3 sports worldwide but is limited to few selective countries only. ICC is helpless these days and dont expect anything good from ICC these days as decision makers are England, Aus and India. The focus these days is only IPL, nobody is worried about bringing more countries to cricket.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 02, 2022, 09:45:11 PM

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Promoting a new sport to a nation is no easy task It takes time, determination, and wealth. All ICC has to do is stick to their plan and advertise as much as they can and support any nation that wants to come into cricket.

As I personally think that cricket has potential in Europe. Don't know much about America as they will get confused about both cricket and baseball. So, I think that ICC has to take steps as soon as possible if they want cricket to expand.

Actually cricket is not a new sport to many of the European and African nations. When Jagmohan Dalmiya was the president of the ICC (1990s), he undertook several programs to expand the popularity of cricket outside the test playing nations and as a result there were close to 100 nations with their own cricket teams by the year 2000 (with native players). Then two things happened - first the Srinivasan/Pawar mafia got control of the ICC, and then the eligibility criteria was changed. And this destroyed whatever progress that was achieved by Dalmiya in the 90s.

Well, I didn't know that and thanks for the kind information of yours.
But the past has gone and now we gotta focus on what the future holds for cricket. In order to expand cricket again, ICC has to undertake some huge challenges, and maybe advertising or good enough marketing could be a start to a long journey for ICC. In this era of social media, advertising shouldn't be a problem for them in my opinion.

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I think if ICC wants Cricket to be in Olympics, it has to ensure cricket spreads across Europe or the Americas, currently, cricket-playing nations are too skewed, 85% of them are from Asia & the African continent, only a few from here and there. The problem with popularising any sport per se is the viewership, cricket is a commercial sport unlike most Olympic sport, which means you need a good viewership for cricket in a country to make it a cricketing nation, but the problem is most of the countries don't even understand cricket, how in the world then you can popularise cricket there? One way is player migrations and the second better approach is to hold local cricket events in these countries, just like the couple of matches that happened in the US in form of a veteran league.

All they need to do is add more teams into t-20 icc tournaments but No, they won't! Because they don't want to repeat nightmares of 2007 WC and then they come up with 3 million bid in front of Olympic committee, which is modern term of bribe. No wonder Olympic committee doesn't take them seriously.

Ahan? I didn't know that story, why would the Olympic committee need money. From what I have heard they are already pretty rich, they take a huge cut from the host nation which organizes the Olympics and also take a good money in form of broadcasting rights and annual memberships, it's generally the host nation which ends up in most losses everytime, the IOC makes a lot.

Yeah, this idea was floating from quite some time (since 2018 or so) and they are about to execute this into reality asap it seems that its a normal process (didn't find any concrete info tho) if you want to apply for Olympic inclusion.

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Right now ICC need to act very quickly and fairly even they can face some serious resistance and problems, but it's very important for better future of this game they bring some good rules for all countries and try to implement them. Skipping countries like the UAE, Oman, Kuwait and Saudi Arab is also good because they are not good enough for better marketing we need some better results from populated countries specially now with new formats we can grow in Latin America as well. Hopefully they will do some better if they fail then surely It's going to be big misery for this game of cricket because with current policies we are not going to have better future.

Falling victim to resistance will be a problem for ICC but they have to find a way to get past it or avoid it.

I'm not sure about you suggesting skipping the UAE, Oman area for cricket as it will only decrease the number of cricket-playing nations. But they really need to start the campaign in Europe or the Americas wherever they find that cricket would be suitable and might grow.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 02, 2022, 09:45:11 PM

Actually cricket is not a new sport to many of the European and African nations. When Jagmohan Dalmiya was the president of the ICC (1990s), he undertook several programs to expand the popularity of cricket outside the test playing nations and as a result there were close to 100 nations with their own cricket teams by the year 2000 (with native players). Then two things happened - first the Srinivasan/Pawar mafia got control of the ICC, and then the eligibility criteria was changed. And this destroyed whatever progress that was achieved by Dalmiya in the 90s.

It seems like cricket is limited to 10 countries only and there is no room for New countries to join in. India and Pakistan tussle is depriving cricket from exciting games. So we have to rely on Ashes only. Big 3 aim is to keep cricket limited to themselves to keep there supremacy.

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Quote from: GbitG on January 02, 2022, 03:13:15 PM

Right now ICC need to act very quickly and fairly even they can face some serious resistance and problems, but it's very important for better future of this game they bring some good rules for all countries and try to implement them. Skipping countries like the UAE, Oman, Kuwait and Saudi Arab is also good because they are not good enough for better marketing we need some better results from populated countries specially now with new formats we can grow in Latin America as well. Hopefully they will do some better if they fail then surely It's going to be big misery for this game of cricket because with current policies we are not going to have better future.

ICC may be a neutral authority till 2000 or may be by 2010. With rise in popularity of ipl, big 3 are now in full control of ICC and future of ICC is in hands of big 3. So it will be big 3 who will decide who which countries to join cricket and thats destroying cricket. See what Kuwait, uae are doing to cricket.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on January 02, 2022, 12:31:43 PM

Promoting a new sport to a nation is no easy task It takes time, determination, and wealth. All ICC has to do is stick to their plan and advertise as much as they can and support any nation that wants to come into cricket.

As I personally think that cricket has potential in Europe. Don't know much about America as they will get confused about both cricket and baseball. So, I think that ICC has to take steps as soon as possible if they want cricket to expand.

Actually cricket is not a new sport to many of the European and African nations. When Jagmohan Dalmiya was the president of the ICC (1990s), he undertook several programs to expand the popularity of cricket outside the test playing nations and as a result there were close to 100 nations with their own cricket teams by the year 2000 (with native players). Then two things happened - first the Srinivasan/Pawar mafia got control of the ICC, and then the eligibility criteria was changed. And this destroyed whatever progress that was achieved by Dalmiya in the 90s.

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They need to implement these new rules very quickly and without wasting any time because it's very important for them otherwise this is going to be worst for ICC and cricket we already have the good number of cricket playing nations in Associate class, and they can do some better in near future in short format which can bring more revenue and fans community but with teams like these UAE, Oman and Kuwait its never been good idea.
If they want to go into ICC then it must case for them otherwise they will ignore this application which is not good at the moment now recently Gulf is having very good hold on ICC but still it's achievable because ICC is not for just big 3 threes or anyone community here we have nearly the biggest community is sports which want better and solid policies for better results.

You are right. If ICC wants to get into the Olympics and maintain a good reputation for cricket, they need to take the necessary steps as soon as possible. They need to bring in more teams, not only that, prepare them for the upcoming Olympics so that they can stage a good show and thus, bring revenue and more fans towards cricket. As it cant be done overnight and is a lengthy process, I think ICC still has enough time to work on it.

Right now ICC need to act very quickly and fairly even they can face some serious resistance and problems, but it's very important for better future of this game they bring some good rules for all countries and try to implement them. Skipping countries like the UAE, Oman, Kuwait and Saudi Arab is also good because they are not good enough for better marketing we need some better results from populated countries specially now with new formats we can grow in Latin America as well. Hopefully they will do some better if they fail then surely It's going to be big misery for this game of cricket because with current policies we are not going to have better future.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 01, 2022, 06:35:42 PM

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I think if ICC wants Cricket to be in Olympics, it has to ensure cricket spreads across Europe or the Americas, currently, cricket-playing nations are too skewed, 85% of them are from Asia & the African continent, only a few from here and there. The problem with popularising any sport per se is the viewership, cricket is a commercial sport unlike most Olympic sport, which means you need a good viewership for cricket in a country to make it a cricketing nation, but the problem is most of the countries don't even understand cricket, how in the world then you can popularise cricket there? One way is player migrations and the second better approach is to hold local cricket events in these countries, just like the couple of matches that happened in the US in form of a veteran league.

All they need to do is add more teams into t-20 icc tournaments but No, they won't! Because they don't want to repeat nightmares of 2007 WC and then they come up with 3 million bid in front of Olympic committee, which is modern term of bribe. No wonder Olympic committee doesn't take them seriously.

Ahan? I didn't know that story, why would the Olympic committee need money. From what I have heard they are already pretty rich, they take a huge cut from the host nation which organizes the Olympics and also take a good money in form of broadcasting rights and annual memberships, it's generally the host nation which ends up in most losses everytime, the IOC makes a lot.

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There is an interesting move by ICC for inclusion of cricket in Olympics, ICC to make $3 million bid for cricket's inclusion in 2028 Olympics. We may see interest of more countries in cricket if it make its way to Olympics.
16 teams in T20 WC is also a big challenge, if ICC can include 3 or 4 more associate teams in next T20 WC that have good level it will be a big success.

ICC never been ideal Authority even now doing good for cricket into Olympics because they need some better planning and development from grassroots in many countries those are very good for cricket and can bring some very skills and quality players in future.

But, sadly they never use funds in this way, so we are losing many good countries in bad way like Kenya is the worst example for this, and now they have some good support for countries from where we never have any player like the UAE, Oman and Kuwait these are dead countries for quality and skill players, but sadly they are not understanding and still doing things which are never been favorable for game and fans.

I think that ICC still has time to recover from what has been done in the past. If ICC wants to include cricket in the '28 Olympics, they need to start working on getting at least 3 or 4 more teams to regular cricket. Although recently teams like Oman and UAE are playing enough cricket and there are some quality players, some more countries need to be included in there.

ICC has taken some missteps in the past but maybe including cricket in the Olympics could be good for the future of cricket in my opinion.

I think if ICC wants Cricket to be in Olympics, it has to ensure cricket spreads across Europe or the Americas, currently, cricket-playing nations are too skewed, 85% of them are from Asia & the African continent, only a few from here and there. The problem with popularising any sport per se is the viewership, cricket is a commercial sport unlike most Olympic sport, which means you need a good viewership for cricket in a country to make it a cricketing nation, but the problem is most of the countries don't even understand cricket, how in the world then you can popularise cricket there? One way is player migrations and the second better approach is to hold local cricket events in these countries, just like the couple of matches that happened in the US in form of a veteran league.

I am sure European countries will be able to understand cricket as England and ICC can easily promote it in neighbouring countries. The problem will be basically promoting cricket in the American continent as they will try to find similarities with baseball. But, if ICC is able to promote cricket in the European subcontinent then it will become easy for ICC to spread cricket globally and especially in the American subcontinent.

I am really surprised sometimes that how come England created the sport of cricket and weren't even able to spread the sport throughout their own continent, if they have not been able to do it for last 100 years, I really doubt they will ever be able to do it.

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I am sure European countries will be able to understand cricket as England and ICC can easily promote it in neighbouring countries. The problem will be basically promoting cricket in the American continent as they will try to find similarities with baseball. But, if ICC is able to promote cricket in the European subcontinent then it will become easy for ICC to spread cricket globally and especially in the American subcontinent.

In countries like Netherlands and Ireland, cricket has a history of more than two centuries. But in all the European countries except England, cricket is declining in popularity. The national cricket boards are doing all that they could, but the other sports (football, field hockey, basketball.etc) have taken up ambitious expansion strategies and these sports have managed to poach in to cricket sphere. In countries like Netherlands and Denmark, the vast majority of the players used to be native. But nowadays somewhere between 70% and 80% are South Asian.

Promoting a new sport to a nation is no easy task It takes time, determination, and wealth. All ICC has to do is stick to their plan and advertise as much as they can and support any nation that wants to come into cricket.

As I personally think that cricket has potential in Europe. Don't know much about America as they will get confused about both cricket and baseball. So, I think that ICC has to take steps as soon as possible if they want cricket to expand.

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They need to implement these new rules very quickly and without wasting any time because it's very important for them otherwise this is going to be worst for ICC and cricket we already have the good number of cricket playing nations in Associate class, and they can do some better in near future in short format which can bring more revenue and fans community but with teams like these UAE, Oman and Kuwait its never been good idea.
If they want to go into ICC then it must case for them otherwise they will ignore this application which is not good at the moment now recently Gulf is having very good hold on ICC but still it's achievable because ICC is not for just big 3 threes or anyone community here we have nearly the biggest community is sports which want better and solid policies for better results.

You are right. If ICC wants to get into the Olympics and maintain a good reputation for cricket, they need to take the necessary steps as soon as possible. They need to bring in more teams, not only that, prepare them for the upcoming Olympics so that they can stage a good show and thus, bring revenue and more fans towards cricket. As it cant be done overnight and is a lengthy process, I think ICC still has enough time to work on it.

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I think if ICC wants Cricket to be in Olympics, it has to ensure cricket spreads across Europe or the Americas, currently, cricket-playing nations are too skewed, 85% of them are from Asia & the African continent, only a few from here and there. The problem with popularising any sport per se is the viewership, cricket is a commercial sport unlike most Olympic sport, which means you need a good viewership for cricket in a country to make it a cricketing nation, but the problem is most of the countries don't even understand cricket, how in the world then you can popularise cricket there? One way is player migrations and the second better approach is to hold local cricket events in these countries, just like the couple of matches that happened in the US in form of a veteran league.

I have seen some scores of European countries playing cricket where they scored 10, 12 runs in 20 overs, and the other team won in 5 balls. What I'm trying to say is, cricket is still not very known to people in the Europe or Americas. ICC needs to work hard to get them to know cricket, like cricket, and thus bring them to cricket and make them play. Is it impossible? Probably not but it will be a lengthy process. But in this era of social media, advertising and marketing is not very hard task. So in order to include cricket in the Olympics, ICC has got some big tasks to manage.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on January 01, 2022, 09:09:03 PM

The biggest obstacle for the growth of cricket outside test playing nations is the lack of inclusion in Olympics. Most of the countries provide funding only for Olympic sports. And that is the reason why sports such as baseball and rugby have spent so much money and effort in getting themselves included in the Olympic Games. And with every passing year, cricket is being branded as a sport that is exclusively being played by immigrants and foreigners. When some school going kid in Norway or Sweden watch the matches of their "national" cricket team and finds out that there is not a single native player in the XI, will he be keen to play this sport?

Getting Cricket included in the Olympics is just a step to make the sport popular in a country or on a global scale like Football. If an athlete has to dedicate his life into a sport incentives is a major factor. Hence even if it is included as an Olympic sport, the amount of money they can make in their career can also be an important factor if you want to see elite athletes choosing the sport.

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