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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 26, 2020, 10:36:08 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on May 26, 2020, 08:52:26 AM

Nope, All i am saying is if BCCI put their foot down then ICC can't fulfill every cricket boards demand as far as finance is concern, BCCI produce more than 75% revenue for ICC and every cricket board earns significant amount of money from the BCCI, when Indian cricket team visits them. So best of luck for any ICC tournament.

On top of that i am sure majority of International cricketers can manage 2-3 months for IPL or any other Indian league, if they are paid handsomely. They don't even need to cancel their national contracts for that, that's where diplomacy comes handy with the individual boards. Unless ICC strictly notifies that NO_Indian_League_At_Any_Cost. Still some will join.

As I said earlier, I am not under-estimating the revenue share of India. I think that it is around 60% of the global revenues. But then, BCCI should also not expect other boards to remain quiet, if they take such one-sided measures. There will be backlash, like the one happened a few years ago when the Pig-3 got destroyed by the combined bargaining power of the other boards.

I am just saying that confrontation is not going to benefit anyone, and none of the sides are willing to take that route. Status quo would remain in the foreseeable future.

Last time i checked it was around 70ish+75%

Ofcourse there will be backlash, but once BCCI out from the ICC then this backlash doesn't hold any power or significance. For quite sometime ICC trying to provoke or squeeze BCCI in various front.
- Total share cut (It was necessary)
- Demanding stakes in IPL (BCCI had to literally say to them "FCUK YOU"
- Demanding Tax exemption in India ( 2 year old drama and still going on)
- Preparing the draft for ICC tournament every year (Which hurts BCCI financial model including other cricket boards bilateral interest)

Question is how long, at some point BCCI going to snap and might say enough is enough.

Edit : Its interesting hypothetical scenario, if its happens.

Quote from: ene1980 on May 26, 2020, 10:42:06 AM

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So i do not see any dispute coming between the two ~~and they need each others support to run the show~~

You are dead wrong bro Grin

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 26, 2020, 08:52:26 AM

Nope, All i am saying is if BCCI put their foot down then ICC can't fulfill every cricket boards demand as far as finance is concern, BCCI produce more than 75% revenue for ICC and every cricket board earns significant amount of money from the BCCI, when Indian cricket team visits them. So best of luck for any ICC tournament.

The ICC and BCCI have their mutual understanding and most of the time the head of ICC will be an Indian and right now it is under Shashank Manohar as per the ICC website. So i do not see any dispute coming between the two and they need each others support to run the show, if ICC put any restrictions then it will be hard for BCCI to carry out any tournaments either.

That doesn't make any difference. This may be surprising to you, but Shashank Manohar was the guy who almost singlehandedly took down the pig 3 (N Srinivasan, Giles Clarke and Wally Edwards) and implemented a more even revenue sharing model. Also, he was the one who changed the voting system, to give more representation to the new test sides (Ireland and Afghanistan) and the associates.

Even within Indian ICC officials, you may find a lot of differences. For example, people like Jagmohan Dalmiya and Shashank Manohar put in a lot of effort, to globalize the game of cricket. On the other hand, others such as Sharad Pawar and N Srinivasan tried to roll back these globalization attempts.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 26, 2020, 08:52:26 AM

Nope, All i am saying is if BCCI put their foot down then ICC can't fulfill every cricket boards demand as far as finance is concern, BCCI produce more than 75% revenue for ICC and every cricket board earns significant amount of money from the BCCI, when Indian cricket team visits them. So best of luck for any ICC tournament.

The ICC and BCCI have their mutual understanding and most of the time the head of ICC will be an Indian and right now it is under Shashank Manohar as per the ICC website. So i do not see any dispute coming between the two and they need each others support to run the show, if ICC put any restrictions then it will be hard for BCCI to carry out any tournaments either.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 26, 2020, 08:52:26 AM

Nope, All i am saying is if BCCI put their foot down then ICC can't fulfill every cricket boards demand as far as finance is concern, BCCI produce more than 75% revenue for ICC and every cricket board earns significant amount of money from the BCCI, when Indian cricket team visits them. So best of luck for any ICC tournament.

On top of that i am sure majority of International cricketers can manage 2-3 months for IPL or any other Indian league, if they are paid handsomely. They don't even need to cancel their national contracts for that, that's where diplomacy comes handy with the individual boards. Unless ICC strictly notifies that NO_Indian_League_At_Any_Cost. Still some will join.

As I said earlier, I am not under-estimating the revenue share of India. I think that it is around 60% of the global revenues. But then, BCCI should also not expect other boards to remain quiet, if they take such one-sided measures. There will be backlash, like the one happened a few years ago when the Pig-3 got destroyed by the combined bargaining power of the other boards.

I am just saying that confrontation is not going to benefit anyone, and none of the sides are willing to take that route. Status quo would remain in the foreseeable future.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 26, 2020, 08:35:23 AM

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I feel that you are underestimating BCCI here. As far as i observed the overall cricket and diplomacy of BCCI throughout the years, I can say this responsibly and with humility that they get their shit together very quickly when any crisis knocks at their door. i can see that many foreign players from Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, South Africa, New Zealand (including Windies & Pakistan) even from Australia wouldn't mind joining any local league.

Are you saying that players from teams such as Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, South Africa, New Zealand, West Indies and Pakistan would be willing to terminate their national contracts and play in the IPL, even if their own national boards reject the proposal? I really doubt that. A handful of players may chose IPL over national duty. But the vast majority would chose the latter. And I am pretty much sure that not a single player from Australia would play in the IPL, if the CA asks them not to.

Nope, All i am saying is if BCCI put their foot down then ICC can't fulfill every cricket boards demand as far as finance is concern, BCCI produce more than 75% revenue for ICC and every cricket board earns significant amount of money from the BCCI, when Indian cricket team visits them. So best of luck for any ICC tournament.

On top of that i am sure majority of International cricketers can manage 2-3 months for IPL or any other Indian league, if they are paid handsomely. They don't even need to cancel their national contracts for that, that's where diplomacy comes handy with the individual boards. Unless ICC strictly notifies that NO_Indian_League_At_Any_Cost. Still some will join.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 25, 2020, 12:07:42 PM

I feel that you are underestimating BCCI here. As far as i observed the overall cricket and diplomacy of BCCI throughout the years, I can say this responsibly and with humility that they get their shit together very quickly when any crisis knocks at their door. i can see that many foreign players from Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, South Africa, New Zealand (including Windies & Pakistan) even from Australia wouldn't mind joining any local league.

Are you saying that players from teams such as Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, South Africa, New Zealand, West Indies and Pakistan would be willing to terminate their national contracts and play in the IPL, even if their own national boards reject the proposal? I really doubt that. A handful of players may chose IPL over national duty. But the vast majority would chose the latter. And I am pretty much sure that not a single player from Australia would play in the IPL, if the CA asks them not to.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 25, 2020, 11:50:55 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on May 25, 2020, 11:37:35 AM

Agreed, I am sure even BCCI is in no mood to explore that road.

Having said that if i look at the history then i see a kerry packer example and he was just one guy, he was about to broke the chains. By going this standard if BCCI gets into corner completely then we can only imagine how much damage they can do to the world cricket considering majority of revenue comes from the India, All they have to do is contact any cricket board directly with bilateral series and once in a year offer double amount of money to foreign players for IPL, which BCCI can afford to do easily.

The question is not whether the BCCI can afford that. The real question is whether the players from other countries would be willing to turn against their own national boards. Earlier, the ECB and CA were offering unconditional support to the BCCI. But their stance has changed recently, and they adopted an anti-BCCI position during the recent administrative changes. So I don't think that any of the boards would side with the BCCI. And I don't expect many defections from the players. In countries such as Australia, the players always put national duty over money. If such a situation arise, then I don't think that BCCI will find too many takers for their offer, outside countries such as West Indies and Pakistan.

I feel that you are underestimating BCCI here. As far as i observed the overall cricket and diplomacy of BCCI throughout the years, I can say this responsibly and with humility that they get their shit together very quickly when any crisis knocks at their door. i can see that many foreign players from Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, South Africa, New Zealand (including Windies & Pakistan) even from Australia wouldn't mind joining any local league.

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Quote from: erikalui on May 25, 2020, 07:20:11 AM

Some cricketers have started practicing in green zones with full protection and social distancing. Film and TV shoots also are going to start while they said no viewers will be allowed in stadiums. Will they still want to organize IPL? When old TV shows are getting such a high TRP, I don't think it's a bad idea to telecast IPL on TV only without live audience after 3-4 months. They would still earn.

I just had a look at the virus stats and looking at that there is no way the IPL will be conducted as expected as the number of patients are increasing at an alarming pace and will the government then proceeds to allow everything to continue as usual is doubtful. I have seen news footage about people walking huge distances avoiding the social distancing norms when there was a complete lock down and if they allow leniency when the situation is much worse then there is no way they could control the second biggest population in the world to be the epicenter of the virus.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 25, 2020, 11:37:35 AM

Agreed, I am sure even BCCI is in no mood to explore that road.

Having said that if i look at the history then i see a kerry packer example and he was just one guy, he was about to broke the chains. By going this standard if BCCI gets into corner completely then we can only imagine how much damage they can do to the world cricket considering majority of revenue comes from the India, All they have to do is contact any cricket board directly with bilateral series and once in a year offer double amount of money to foreign players for IPL, which BCCI can afford to do easily.

The question is not whether the BCCI can afford that. The real question is whether the players from other countries would be willing to turn against their own national boards. Earlier, the ECB and CA were offering unconditional support to the BCCI. But their stance has changed recently, and they adopted an anti-BCCI position during the recent administrative changes. So I don't think that any of the boards would side with the BCCI. And I don't expect many defections from the players. In countries such as Australia, the players always put national duty over money. If such a situation arise, then I don't think that BCCI will find too many takers for their offer, outside countries such as West Indies and Pakistan.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 25, 2020, 11:21:33 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on May 25, 2020, 09:08:53 AM

^^ One of the key challenge Sourav Ganguly facing, it would be interesting to see how BCCI handle this situation under his leadership.

ICC knows that you "Don't kill the goose that lays the golden eggs." But sometimes i wonder what would happen if ICC actually kick India out from the international cricket..

Both the sides make as much noise as they want, but I have a feeling that none of them want a direct confrontation. The IPL needs the participation of overseas players, and ICC need revenues from India. If BCCI was in favor of an all out confrontation, then it would have happened a long time back, when the ICC reduced the fund allocation to India by around 40%.

Agreed, I am sure even BCCI is in no mood to explore that road.

Having said that if i look at the history then i see a kerry packer example and he was just one guy, he was about to broke the chains. By going this standard if BCCI gets into corner completely then we can only imagine how much damage they can do to the world cricket considering majority of revenue comes from the India, All they have to do is contact any cricket board directly with bilateral series and once in a year offer double amount of money to foreign players for IPL, which BCCI can afford to do easily.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 25, 2020, 09:08:53 AM

^^ One of the key challenge Sourav Ganguly facing, it would be interesting to see how BCCI handle this situation under his leadership.

ICC knows that you "Don't kill the goose that lays the golden eggs." But sometimes i wonder what would happen if ICC actually kick India out from the international cricket..

Both the sides make as much noise as they want, but I have a feeling that none of them want a direct confrontation. The IPL needs the participation of overseas players, and ICC need revenues from India. If BCCI was in favor of an all out confrontation, then it would have happened a long time back, when the ICC reduced the fund allocation to India by around 40%.

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^^ One of the key challenge Sourav Ganguly facing, it would be interesting to see how BCCI handle this situation under his leadership.

ICC knows that you "Don't kill the goose that lays the golden eggs." But sometimes i wonder what would happen if ICC actually kick India out from the international cricket..

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 25, 2020, 04:34:35 AM

Quote from: akhjob on May 24, 2020, 10:55:46 AM

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So yeah ICC is also looking to put IPL before T20 World cup Undecided

Not sure what future holds for any local tournament such as IPL.

But about this statement -ICC favoring BCCI's interests- ; Ironically ICC threatening BCCI again with the Tax thingy and repeating their old rant -Will strip 2021-2023 World Cup host rights-

Ugly exchange of emails between ICC & BCCI over 'tax solutions'

I don't think that the ICC will get a tax exemption from the government, especially with the authorities facing an acute shortage of funds due to the COVID situation. In the previous occasions also, the ICC failed to get tax exemption, when the tournaments were conducted in India. They can try hard and badmouth as much as they want, but in the end they will be paying the taxes.

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Some cricketers have started practicing in green zones with full protection and social distancing. Film and TV shoots also are going to start while they said no viewers will be allowed in stadiums. Will they still want to organize IPL? When old TV shows are getting such a high TRP, I don't think it's a bad idea to telecast IPL on TV only without live audience after 3-4 months. They would still earn.

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Quote from: akhjob on May 24, 2020, 10:55:46 AM

~snip~
So yeah ICC is also looking to put IPL before T20 World cup Undecided

Not sure what future holds for any local tournament such as IPL.

But about this statement -ICC favoring BCCI's interests- ; Ironically ICC threatening BCCI again with the Tax thingy and repeating their old rant -Will strip 2021-2023 World Cup host rights-

Ugly exchange of emails between ICC & BCCI over 'tax solutions'

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Quote from: ene1980 on May 23, 2020, 05:40:38 PM

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18 October to 15 November 2020 is the tournament date and i expect it to continue as scheduled.
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I'm not sure if someone has shared it earlier, but ICC is planning to postpone the World cup T20 and these are 3 alternatives which is going to discussed as the article

Quote from: https://www.timesnownews.com/sports/cricket/article/icc-t20-world-cup-2020-set-to-be-postponed-official-announcement-imminent-report/595570

1. Feb-March, 2021: The event could be held early next year but Cricket Australia is reportedly not too keen on the idea considering the Indian Premier League (IPL) will start right after. To have as many T20 matches for consecutive 3-4 months could lead to overkill. The dates also coincide with England's tour of England which is a big headache.
2. Postpone to 2022 and swap hosting rights: The idea of Cricket Australia hosting the 2021 edition of the T20 World Cup and India taking the rights for the 2022 edition has also surfaced but it has been reported that the BCCI is not too keen on the idea of this sort of a switch.
3. Australia to host 2022 T20 World Cup instead of 2020: Touted as the most feasible decision, this could see the 2020 edition being postponed by 2 years while Australia would retain the hosting rights.

So yeah ICC is also looking to put IPL before T20 World cup Undecided

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 24, 2020, 07:10:55 AM

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-I am against Younger players getting into foreign leagues, IPL is more than enough for them to show their talent and Keep them busy with the 4 day cricket strictly be in Ranji/counties/ Shield.

I don't agree with this argument. We have 8 IPL teams, and 7 slots out of the total of 11 in the playing XI are reserved for Indian nationals. That means that on average, IPL gives opportunity to 50-60 Indian players. What about the others? There is a huge amount of competition for the available slots, and I have seen promising players missing out because of the dominance of senior players.

In IPL its mandatory for every franchise to include at least 2 players from under 22 team in the squad, normally its 18-25 Men squad considering IPL runs for 2 full months. Franchise picks more than 2 younger players from the domestic circuit or Under 19, 21 and 22 all the time if players are worthy, they gets paid handsomely too. Its another discussion if they get pick for playing XI or not but it shouldn't be a much issue as they gets picked by franchise for grooming purpose, if someone is good enough then he might get chance sooner or later.

The way i see it 16-22 age is for grooming and every youngster gets into limelight only because of 4 days cricket or under 19 WC, this is basic rule for every test playing nation. So 4 days cricket should be more important at this stage, unless they decides to ditch Test cricket for good and want to become T-20 specialist.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 24, 2020, 12:16:16 AM

-I am against Younger players getting into foreign leagues, IPL is more than enough for them to show their talent and Keep them busy with the 4 day cricket strictly be in Ranji/counties/ Shield.

I don't agree with this argument. We have 8 IPL teams, and 7 slots out of the total of 11 in the playing XI are reserved for Indian nationals. That means that on average, IPL gives opportunity to 50-60 Indian players. What about the others? There is a huge amount of competition for the available slots, and I have seen promising players missing out because of the dominance of senior players.

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Quote from: akhjob on May 23, 2020, 01:20:17 PM

I definitely don't want IPL this year as it may affect the T20 WorldCup in Australia which I am eagerly expecting for as things are better in Australia comparatively.

Does that mean that BCCI will interfere in the decision making and they will prefer league cricket over an international tournament Shocked

. None of the cricket board will allow that to happen, with the situation not suitable for the tournament in India with the situation is getting worse when the rest of the world is recovering will not help them either. Australia on the other hand is safe to conduct the T20 World cup and i expect to see that tournament as planned.

I think it all comes down to money and having the IPL played this year will most likely make a lot more money then the T20 world cup. This is why they are pushing so hard for the IPL to be played this year even though the situation in India with the virus seems to be getting worse by the day. Cricket in Australia isn't as big as it once was and that could be another reason why we could see the IPL played and the T20 world cup postponed to a later date.

Even if we have IPL this year then it may not be profitable as previous years because people got affected economically in worse ways so its impossible to imagine them to spend their remaining money for entertainment events.And T20 is also much likely to get postponed if the virus spreads is not under complete control because players won't take risk on their life.

Coronavirus has dent the profits in all the fields and sports is also effected by it. If IPL does take place this year, it will be a bonus for them and the management will happily conduct the tournament, even if they get less revenue. Having a tournament is better than not having the series altogether.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on May 22, 2020, 04:38:13 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on May 22, 2020, 08:29:04 AM

After Raina, Yuvraj, Bhajji, Yusuf Pathan. Uthappa joins the list.

I cannot understand why BCCI is stubborn in allowing these players to play outside as they are not even playing for the national team and why to restrict their earning opportunity Undecided

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As far as i understand, Indian Players are assets for BCCI . Almost every Indian cricketer has fair amount of fan base even the retired ones. so everything comes down the money, that's a only reason every foreign league wants Indian cricketers participation and BCCI don't want to expose them to other leagues as it effect their interest (IPL)

I don't think that the case, because no other foreign leagues take place during IPL season if I am not wrong. So BCCI doesn't have to worry about the loss of fans regarding IPL.

Bilateral cricket does happen, take ex of India's tour of Australia. BBL happens during same time, i find it weird that sometimes even premiere Australian players don't take part in BBL so why should we expect same from the Indian players?

Other reason is Demand and supply.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 22, 2020, 10:19:12 PM

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Since Sourav Ganguly is the president i expect him to think logically rather than tying up these players whose potential to earn as a sportsperson is very limited, my view is to get rid of all these obligations and restrictions, let these players earn from different leagues world wide.

Sounds good if you want to see Indian players turning into mercenary cricketers.

IMO the best thing BCCI can do is

-Exclude any players who has national contract. (No NOC for them)
-Give NOC (1 foreign league) to retired or any players who are T-20 specialists only
-No T-20 foreign leagues for test players, keep them in IPL.
-I am against Younger players getting into foreign leagues, IPL is more than enough for them to show their talent and Keep them busy with the 4 day cricket strictly be in Ranji/counties/ Shield.

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