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Quote from: JSRAW on May 31, 2020, 12:34:25 AM

I despise Sharad Pawar as much as next fella due to his corrupt practices but jeez saying "zero skill" is bit too much IMHO, this old horse is seasoned politician and not a dummy.

Well.. I can agree that he is a very cunning and experienced politician. But he was the ICC president for a long time, and I can't recall a single contribution from him to the sport of cricket during that time period. Even he was absent from the ICC meetings most of the time, and was solely concentrating on the Indian politics. Jagmohan Dalmiya was a thousand times better than him.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on May 31, 2020, 01:41:13 AM

It is next to impossible to remove politics from cricket in South asia, crickets now days have political ambition and every one sitting in the top is some way connected or is affiliated with a political party. BCCI has gone through major shuffling still politics is prevailing no matter what.

None of the sports bodies in India are free from political involvement. Rather, I would say that the level of political intervention in the other governing bodies are much higher when compared to the BCCI. At least the BCCI is having nominal independence and autonomy. Even many of the players are associated with the political parties. For example, Ganguly has been linked to the BJP, while Mohammad Azharuddin is an ex-MP from the opposition INC party.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 30, 2020, 01:38:35 AM

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That is true BCCI needs Gangully more than ICC. He can only bring a lot of positive changes to Indian cricket. Almost every member in BCCI is affiliated to a political party. Politics has ruined the board for a long time and players like Ganguly and others can make a difference to the existing structure.

That's true. Politics is the reason why someone such as Sharad Pawar, with zero skill and experience even managed to become the president of the ICC. Even now, the BCCI is filled with political appointees. Jay Shah is the Secretary of the BCCI, and he happens to be the son of the Indian home minister (Amit Shah). Arun Singh Dhumal is the BCCI treasurer, and he happens to be the brother of Anurag Thakur (Mos Finance). And then we have the TNCA, which is filled with corrupt proxies such as Rupa Gurunath.

It is next to impossible to remove politics from cricket in South asia, crickets now days have political ambition and every one sitting in the top is some way connected or is affiliated with a political party. BCCI has gone through major shuffling still politics is prevailing no matter what.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on May 28, 2020, 06:47:34 PM

That is true BCCI needs Gangully more than ICC. He can only bring a lot of positive changes to Indian cricket. Almost every member in BCCI is affiliated to a political party. Politics has ruined the board for a long time and players like Ganguly and others can make a difference to the existing structure.

That's true. Politics is the reason why someone such as Sharad Pawar, with zero skill and experience even managed to become the president of the ICC. Even now, the BCCI is filled with political appointees. Jay Shah is the Secretary of the BCCI, and he happens to be the son of the Indian home minister (Amit Shah). Arun Singh Dhumal is the BCCI treasurer, and he happens to be the brother of Anurag Thakur (Mos Finance). And then we have the TNCA, which is filled with corrupt proxies such as Rupa Gurunath.

I am not fan of any politically motivated person sitting in BCCI cabinet either but we both know that this situation not going to change anytime soon. The best we can hope for is they are being honest with their roles, I don't expect 100% honesty as its not possible in our world but i am happy as long as they working towards the betterment of game.

I despise Sharad Pawar as much as next fella due to his corrupt practices but jeez saying "zero skill" is bit too much IMHO, this old horse is seasoned politician and not a dummy.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 30, 2020, 01:38:35 AM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on May 28, 2020, 06:47:34 PM

That is true BCCI needs Gangully more than ICC. He can only bring a lot of positive changes to Indian cricket. Almost every member in BCCI is affiliated to a political party. Politics has ruined the board for a long time and players like Ganguly and others can make a difference to the existing structure.

That's true. Politics is the reason why someone such as Sharad Pawar, with zero skill and experience even managed to become the president of the ICC. Even now, the BCCI is filled with political appointees. Jay Shah is the Secretary of the BCCI, and he happens to be the son of the Indian home minister (Amit Shah). Arun Singh Dhumal is the BCCI treasurer, and he happens to be the brother of Anurag Thakur (Mos Finance). And then we have the TNCA, which is filled with corrupt proxies such as Rupa Gurunath.

We are really full of dirty politics and bad impact of this all on game but sadly no one can change this very quickly as its going for very long time and will go for some more time if we have some real honest politicians then may be this all will change and we will able to do some more better with this all.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on May 28, 2020, 06:47:34 PM

That is true BCCI needs Gangully more than ICC. He can only bring a lot of positive changes to Indian cricket. Almost every member in BCCI is affiliated to a political party. Politics has ruined the board for a long time and players like Ganguly and others can make a difference to the existing structure.

That's true. Politics is the reason why someone such as Sharad Pawar, with zero skill and experience even managed to become the president of the ICC. Even now, the BCCI is filled with political appointees. Jay Shah is the Secretary of the BCCI, and he happens to be the son of the Indian home minister (Amit Shah). Arun Singh Dhumal is the BCCI treasurer, and he happens to be the brother of Anurag Thakur (Mos Finance). And then we have the TNCA, which is filled with corrupt proxies such as Rupa Gurunath.

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I really don't see how this can happen with the cases increasing in India daily while in Australia the cases remain under control for now. It will be sad if we have to wait this long just to see the T20 world cup but as I said before in here, it all comes down to money and power and the BCCI seem to have both.

What does money power to do in a situation like this, since the T20 world cup is hosted by Australia and the situation there is better and hence there would not be any resistance in going with the series. If they wanted to conduct the IPL then there is no way they can conduct with the situation is not favorable and money power cannot do everything during a pandemic.

Its always about the money my friend no matter what, that is why the world is starting to open up even though the cases are still very high daily because they need to get the economy going again and the same is for sports. We shall see what happens in the coming weeks but I do hope that the T20 world cup goes ahead as planned and not postponed for a year.

Countries are losing their economic growth because the virus very quickly, even the government is taking all possible steps to control the virus, but it's affecting the GDP. In the coming, they will take all measures and suggest their people follow some specific rules for controlling the virus. So this year we might see the T20 world cup by that time government will control the virus.

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Quote from: ene1980 on May 28, 2020, 06:51:51 PM

Quote from: vella85 on May 28, 2020, 06:08:47 PM

I really don't see how this can happen with the cases increasing in India daily while in Australia the cases remain under control for now. It will be sad if we have to wait this long just to see the T20 world cup but as I said before in here, it all comes down to money and power and the BCCI seem to have both.

What does money power to do in a situation like this, since the T20 world cup is hosted by Australia and the situation there is better and hence there would not be any resistance in going with the series. If they wanted to conduct the IPL then there is no way they can conduct with the situation is not favorable and money power cannot do everything during a pandemic.

Its always about the money my friend no matter what, that is why the world is starting to open up even though the cases are still very high daily because they need to get the economy going again and the same is for sports. We shall see what happens in the coming weeks but I do hope that the T20 world cup goes ahead as planned and not postponed for a year.

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Quote from: vella85 on May 28, 2020, 06:08:47 PM

I really don't see how this can happen with the cases increasing in India daily while in Australia the cases remain under control for now. It will be sad if we have to wait this long just to see the T20 world cup but as I said before in here, it all comes down to money and power and the BCCI seem to have both.

What does money power to do in a situation like this, since the T20 world cup is hosted by Australia and the situation there is better and hence there would not be any resistance in going with the series. If they wanted to conduct the IPL then there is no way they can conduct with the situation is not favorable and money power cannot do everything during a pandemic.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 27, 2020, 10:46:25 AM

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 27, 2020, 09:05:04 AM

Vishnu already mentioned about S.Manohar. These days Kumar Sangakkara name popping here & there so who knows if he gets the hotseat.

Kumar Sangakkara is known as a gentleman and I would support him over the other candidates (many of whom happen to be businessmen with no relation to cricket). Sharad Pawar did a lot of damage to the sport of cricket, when he became the ICC president in 2010. There was zero positive contribution from his side and there was corruption everywhere. Shashank Manohar is a hundred times better than him, but still I would prefer someone with cricketing experience like Sangakkara.

This is the latest news in upcoming ICC's recruitment.

TLDR : Front runner is Colin Graves (Current ECB chairman), Sourav Ganguly name also popping up after South African management recommended his name. (personal opinion : BCCI need Ganguly more Grin

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ICC confirms chairman Shashank Manohar won't seek third term

That is true BCCI needs Gangully more than ICC. He can only bring a lot of positive changes to Indian cricket. Almost every member in BCCI is affiliated to a political party. Politics has ruined the board for a long time and players like Ganguly and others can make a difference to the existing structure.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on May 27, 2020, 08:47:03 AM

There is a good chance that BCCI will be able to convince ICC to postponed T20 World Cup to 2022, which means BCCI will be able to conduct IPL in the month of October.

Sad news for many of us here and all cricket fans globally as we now have to wait two years to watch the T20 Cricket World Cup.

Source - https://m.hindustantimes.com/cricket/icc-board-meeting-world-t20-to-be-postponed-to-2022-october-window-for-ipl-report/story-4Bvr9K1FWJ9HG9HbvqnpGO_amp.html

I really don't see how this can happen with the cases increasing in India daily while in Australia the cases remain under control for now. It will be sad if we have to wait this long just to see the T20 world cup but as I said before in here, it all comes down to money and power and the BCCI seem to have both.

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Quote from: BitSat19 on May 27, 2020, 03:36:44 PM

I am very positive about Kumar SangaKara if he is coming then surely its going to be very good for cricket as he is one of best persons in current time as Ganguly and he can bring some very good and positive changes for spirit of game on other hand as @JSRAW already mention BCCI more need Ganguly so he can stay here for some more time and then can enjoy this hot-seat as well in future.

I have a feeling that Sourav Ganguly as the president of the Board of Control for Cricket in India, and Kumar Sangakkara as the president of the ICC can together do wonders to the sport of cricket. There is a good understanding between these two guys, and as far as I know they are good friends. And both of them are very ethical and care more about the sport than money.

On the other hand, if the oldie Colin Graves becomes the ICC president, then it will be a disaster for cricket. He is one of those guys, who cares only about money. He'll try to bring back the Pig 3 formula, which benefits no one.

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Quote from: ene1980 on May 27, 2020, 02:14:54 PM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 27, 2020, 09:45:20 AM

but still I would prefer someone with cricketing experience like Sangakkara.

To manage a position you need to have management skills and it might the reason why people with business credentials came into power, not sure about the management skills of Kumar Sangakkara but if a former players with management skills can take over the position then he can make changes which would aide cricket rather than having pure businessman in those positions.

I am very positive about Kumar SangaKara if he is coming then surely its going to be very good for cricket as he is one of best persons in current time as Ganguly and he can bring some very good and positive changes for spirit of game on other hand as @JSRAW already mention BCCI more need Ganguly so he can stay here for some more time and then can enjoy this hot-seat as well in future.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 27, 2020, 09:45:20 AM

but still I would prefer someone with cricketing experience like Sangakkara.

To manage a position you need to have management skills and it might the reason why people with business credentials came into power, not sure about the management skills of Kumar Sangakkara but if a former players with management skills can take over the position then he can make changes which would aide cricket rather than having pure businessman in those positions.

Quote from: JSRAW on May 27, 2020, 09:05:04 AM

If i am being honest then i see this as a "Select at least one Brown guy in the management for balance Grin

" that's it hehe

Indian people are already holding those positions Tongue

. Can try someone from Australia England South Africa or even from Sri Lanka or Pakistan Grin

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 27, 2020, 09:45:20 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on May 27, 2020, 09:05:04 AM

Vishnu already mentioned about S.Manohar. These days Kumar Sangakkara name popping here & there so who knows if he gets the hotseat.

Kumar Sangakkara is known as a gentleman and I would support him over the other candidates (many of whom happen to be businessmen with no relation to cricket). Sharad Pawar did a lot of damage to the sport of cricket, when he became the ICC president in 2010. There was zero positive contribution from his side and there was corruption everywhere. Shashank Manohar is a hundred times better than him, but still I would prefer someone with cricketing experience like Sangakkara.

This is the latest news in upcoming ICC's recruitment.

TLDR : Front runner is Colin Graves (Current ECB chairman), Sourav Ganguly name also popping up after South African management recommended his name. (personal opinion : BCCI need Ganguly more Grin

)

ICC confirms chairman Shashank Manohar won't seek third term

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 27, 2020, 09:05:04 AM

Vishnu already mentioned about S.Manohar. These days Kumar Sangakkara name popping here & there so who knows if he gets the hotseat.

Kumar Sangakkara is known as a gentleman and I would support him over the other candidates (many of whom happen to be businessmen with no relation to cricket). Sharad Pawar did a lot of damage to the sport of cricket, when he became the ICC president in 2010. There was zero positive contribution from his side and there was corruption everywhere. Shashank Manohar is a hundred times better than him, but still I would prefer someone with cricketing experience like Sangakkara.

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Quote from: ene1980 on May 26, 2020, 04:59:19 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on May 26, 2020, 11:26:30 AM

You are dead wrong bro Grin

The website claimed that the CEO and Chairperson of the ICC are Indian original and my thought was if the main body has Indian representatives will it go against the BCCI interests Cheesy

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If i am being honest then i see this as a "Select at least one Brown guy in the management for balance Grin

" that's it hehe

Vishnu already mentioned about S.Manohar. These days Kumar Sangakkara name popping here & there so who knows if he gets the hotseat.

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There is a good chance that BCCI will be able to convince ICC to postponed T20 World Cup to 2022, which means BCCI will be able to conduct IPL in the month of October.

Sad news for many of us here and all cricket fans globally as we now have to wait two years to watch the T20 Cricket World Cup.

Source - https://m.hindustantimes.com/cricket/icc-board-meeting-world-t20-to-be-postponed-to-2022-october-window-for-ipl-report/story-4Bvr9K1FWJ9HG9HbvqnpGO_amp.html

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 26, 2020, 10:48:07 AM

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That doesn't make any difference. This may be surprising to you, but Shashank Manohar was the guy who almost singlehandedly took down the pig 3 (N Srinivasan, Giles Clarke and Wally Edwards) and implemented a more even revenue sharing model. Also, he was the one who changed the voting system, to give more representation to the new test sides (Ireland and Afghanistan) and the associates.

Even within Indian ICC officials, you may find a lot of differences. For example, people like Jagmohan Dalmiya and Shashank Manohar put in a lot of effort, to globalize the game of cricket. On the other hand, others such as Sharad Pawar and N Srinivasan tried to roll back these globalization attempts.

These inner politics are well beyond my scope of cricket understanding Cheesy

, not heard about these representatives, just got the above information from the ICC website and if i start searching about the history of those i will fall asleep Cheesy

, if it is a fair system irrespective of who is controlling BCCI and ICC there will be no complaints from other boards.

Quote from: JSRAW on May 26, 2020, 11:26:30 AM

You are dead wrong bro Grin

The website claimed that the CEO and Chairperson of the ICC are Indian original and my thought was if the main body has Indian representatives will it go against the BCCI interests Cheesy

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