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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 24, 2019, 12:48:21 AM

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Samson exclusion looks odd to me, he didn't even got a chance to play a single game and considering Rishabh Pant's recent form, he surely deserved a few chances and not sure what Kedar Jadhav is doing in the ODI squad, he's 34 yo. IMO management should look out for new blood (Shubham Gill).
No mention of Dhoni, guess more speculation on his retirement.

I am really disappointing with the selectors for not giving a chance to players and then excluding which will demotivate any player, he should have given a chance and see how he performs in the international stage and rather than giving him a chance he is excluded in the test series, i used to see these kind of procedures in the past where players will be selected for tours and not play a game and then gets excluded.

Indian team selection always have been controversial. The selectors tend to give more chances to players from their own state boards. Examples are the numerous chances given to average players such as Khaleel Ahmed, Dinesh Karthik and Hanuma Vihari. I think it will be much better, if the selection power rests entirely with the coach and the captain. People like MSK Prasad have made a mockery of the team selection.

No matter what indian selectors are doing and which team members they are selecting, the main thing is that India is winning in all forms of cricket and that is what matter most. The win by the Indians will stop all the pointing fingers on selection of the team.
Even with the selected team, i am sure India will easily win against the West Indian T20 team.

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Quote from: JSRAW on November 23, 2019, 04:11:13 AM

Samson exclusion looks odd to me, he didn't even got a chance to play a single game and considering Rishabh Pant's recent form, he surely deserved a few chances and not sure what Kedar Jadhav is doing in the ODI squad, he's 34 yo. IMO management should look out for new blood (Shubham Gill).
No mention of Dhoni, guess more speculation on his retirement.

I am really disappointing with the selectors for not giving a chance to players and then excluding which will demotivate any player, he should have given a chance and see how he performs in the international stage and rather than giving him a chance he is excluded in the test series, i used to see these kind of procedures in the past where players will be selected for tours and not play a game and then gets excluded.

Indian team selection always have been controversial. The selectors tend to give more chances to players from their own state boards. Examples are the numerous chances given to average players such as Khaleel Ahmed, Dinesh Karthik and Hanuma Vihari. I think it will be much better, if the selection power rests entirely with the coach and the captain. People like MSK Prasad have made a mockery of the team selection.

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Quote from: JSRAW on November 23, 2019, 04:11:13 AM

Samson exclusion looks odd to me, he didn't even got a chance to play a single game and considering Rishabh Pant's recent form, he surely deserved a few chances and not sure what Kedar Jadhav is doing in the ODI squad, he's 34 yo. IMO management should look out for new blood (Shubham Gill).
No mention of Dhoni, guess more speculation on his retirement.

I am really disappointing with the selectors for not giving a chance to players and then excluding which will demotivate any player, he should have given a chance and see how he performs in the international stage and rather than giving him a chance he is excluded in the test series, i used to see these kind of procedures in the past where players will be selected for tours and not play a game and then gets excluded.

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Quote from: JSRAW on November 23, 2019, 04:11:13 AM

India announced the Squad for upcoming T-20/ ODI series against the West Indies. Kohli, Kuldeep, Bhuvneshwar, Shami, Jadeja are back and Krunal, Khaleel, Shardul Thakur, Samson out.

Samson exclusion looks odd to me, he didn't even got a chance to play a single game and considering Rishabh Pant's recent form, he surely deserved a few chances and not sure what Kedar Jadhav is doing in the ODI squad, he's 34 yo. IMO management should look out for new blood (Shubham Gill).

No mention of Dhoni, guess more speculation on his retirement.

Looks like the Indian selectors have finalized their team for the 2020 T20 world cup, and so they may not be tempted to give chances to younger players. West Indies squad for the T20 series is not yet announced. I really hope that they'll include all the star players this time (Kieron Pollard, Andre Russell, Evin Lewis, Sunil Narine, Sheldon Cottrell.etc). Many of them were in action during the Abu Dhabi T10 league, and since the tournament ends today, these players should be available to play against India.

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^^^ Surprised with the omission of Samson. He didn't got a chance last time and it may be unfair on him to kick him out of the squad without giving an opportunity to perform. On the other hand, they made the right decision by replacing Khaleel Ahmed with Bhuvneshwar Kumar. Bhuvi is one of the best pace bowlers available right now, and he deserves a slot.

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India announced the Squad for upcoming T-20/ ODI series against the West Indies. Kohli, Kuldeep, Bhuvneshwar, Shami, Jadeja are back and Krunal, Khaleel, Shardul Thakur, Samson out.

Samson exclusion looks odd to me, he didn't even got a chance to play a single game and considering Rishabh Pant's recent form, he surely deserved a few chances and not sure what Kedar Jadhav is doing in the ODI squad, he's 34 yo. IMO management should look out for new blood (Shubham Gill).

No mention of Dhoni, guess more speculation on his retirement.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/110916/kuldeep-bhuvneshwar-back-in-squad-for-west-indies-series

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T20I Squad: Virat Kohli (C), Rohit Sharma (VC), Shikhar Dhawan, KL Rahul, Shreyas Iyer, Manish Pandey, Rishabh Pant (WK), Shivam Dube, Washington Sundar, Ravindra Jadeja, Yuzvendra Chahal, Kuldeep Yadav, Deepak Chahar, Mohammed Shami, Bhuvneshwar Kumar

ODI Squad: Virat Kohli (C), Rohit Sharma (VC), Shikhar Dhawan, KL Rahul, Shreyas Iyer, Manish Pandey, Rishabh Pant (WK), Shivam Dube, Kedar Jadhav, Ravindra Jadeja, Yuzvendra Chahal, Kuldeep Yadav, Deepak Chahar, Mohammed Shami, Bhuvneshwar Kumar

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A few years back, when the political interference crossed all the limits, the honorable Supreme Court of India stepped in. The board members were fired and the court appointed a group of ex-cricketers to run the BCCI. They made a lot of progressive moves, but their term came to an end a few months back. Now once again, the BCCI is under the control of the politicians.

I was not aware of the political system and the nexus between politics and the cricket board, is it because of the court intervention that Sourav Ganguly is heading the BCCI, he made some changes to the Indian squad as a captain while performing aboard and he was an aggressive captain and hope he will continue the success in his new role, i did not understand the timeline between the court intervention and the present situation as Ganguly was appointed the BCCI role recently.

The term of the court appointed system expired and that's when they conducted fresh elections and Sourav Ganguly became the president of the BCCI. Earlier, the board was mostly controlled by factions led by N Srinivasan (who was supported by Sharad Pawar and the Congress Party) and the BJP-politician Anurag Thakur. The Supreme Court dismissed them on January 2017 and appointed the Committee of Administrators (CoA).

Anurag Thakur was the president of the BCCI when the supreme court sacked him in 2017. Now the term of the CoA has expired, I am afraid that the politicians will once again be included in the BCCI board. The most ironic incident was the selection of corruption accused Rupa Gurunath as the president of the Tamil Nadu Cricket Association (TNCA). She happens to be the daughter of N Srinivasan.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 22, 2019, 01:51:53 PM

A few years back, when the political interference crossed all the limits, the honorable Supreme Court of India stepped in. The board members were fired and the court appointed a group of ex-cricketers to run the BCCI. They made a lot of progressive moves, but their term came to an end a few months back. Now once again, the BCCI is under the control of the politicians.

I was not aware of the political system and the nexus between politics and the cricket board, is it because of the court intervention that Sourav Ganguly is heading the BCCI, he made some changes to the Indian squad as a captain while performing aboard and he was an aggressive captain and hope he will continue the success in his new role, i did not understand the timeline between the court intervention and the present situation as Ganguly was appointed the BCCI role recently.

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The ICC wants cricket boards to be independent and autonomous. Too much political interference can result in the suspension of cricket boards, similar to what happened with Zimbabwe and Nepal. But that said, even now there is a lot of political control in the BCCI and most of the office-bearers are associated to various political parties.

If you look at how the BCCI controls everything in cricket and ICC usually gives a blind eye majority of the times you will have an idea that money controls everything in the market, there is too much political influence in cricket in India as they are not allowing to play against Pakistan in cricket and this is only because of political intervention and i have not seen anything notification from the ICC regarding that.

A few years back, when the political interference crossed all the limits, the honorable Supreme Court of India stepped in. The board members were fired and the court appointed a group of ex-cricketers to run the BCCI. They made a lot of progressive moves, but their term came to an end a few months back. Now once again, the BCCI is under the control of the politicians.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 22, 2019, 12:23:48 PM

The ICC wants cricket boards to be independent and autonomous. Too much political interference can result in the suspension of cricket boards, similar to what happened with Zimbabwe and Nepal. But that said, even now there is a lot of political control in the BCCI and most of the office-bearers are associated to various political parties.

If you look at how the BCCI controls everything in cricket and ICC usually gives a blind eye majority of the times you will have an idea that money controls everything in the market, there is too much political influence in cricket in India as they are not allowing to play against Pakistan in cricket and this is only because of political intervention and i have not seen anything notification from the ICC regarding that.

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Government should definitely sponsor if the need be else how do you expect the right talent to give an opportunity if you are not able to provide them platform . Through cricket it creates a name in the rest of the world and it could lead to many things else as well in near future .

These are funny circumstances and West Indies cricket team is a combination of a few countries and which government will sponsor the team, if they start sponsoring the cricket team then the rest of the sporting teams will come forward for government aide and hence it is an impossible task and the ICC does not want the political system to control the cricket board and if something has to be done they need the help of ICC.

The ICC wants cricket boards to be independent and autonomous. Too much political interference can result in the suspension of cricket boards, similar to what happened with Zimbabwe and Nepal. But that said, even now there is a lot of political control in the BCCI and most of the office-bearers are associated to various political parties.

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Quote from: onrise on November 21, 2019, 01:31:57 PM

Government should definitely sponsor if the need be else how do you expect the right talent to give an opportunity if you are not able to provide them platform . Through cricket it creates a name in the rest of the world and it could lead to many things else as well in near future .

These are funny circumstances and West Indies cricket team is a combination of a few countries and which government will sponsor the team, if they start sponsoring the cricket team then the rest of the sporting teams will come forward for government aide and hence it is an impossible task and the ICC does not want the political system to control the cricket board and if something has to be done they need the help of ICC.

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Quote from: onrise on November 21, 2019, 01:31:57 PM

Government should definitely sponsor if the need be else how do you expect the right talent to give an opportunity if you are not able to provide them platform . Through cricket it creates a name in the rest of the world and it could lead to many things else as well in near future .

I don't agree with you. Government can't spend its own tax money in sponsoring sports teams. And what complicates the matter further is the fact that within the West Indies, there is not a single government. West Indies is a group of more than a dozen different countries and dependent territories, each of them having their own governing system.

Also, West Indies is a third world region. There are large number of people who live in poverty. Under these circumstances, the government can't spend their revenues in paying the top players, many of whom earn in excess of $1 million per year from the various T20 franchise leagues around the world. There are players who take part in more than half a dozen different leagues every year.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 20, 2019, 09:42:29 PM

Also, I am not sure whether the West Indies team can be described as a "national team". It is a conglomerate of more than a different small island nations (apart from Guyana in the mainland) and some of these nations have long standing enmity against each other.

The T20 league is attractive for all the players and some of the players are making a ton of money now playing in the leagues around the world and all the players are willing to participate in those leagues than to play for the national team because of the perks they get and the low workload and as you said West Indies is a group of countries and you really cannot force these players if they are not willing to play for the board.

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One of the sad thing is that WI have talent but just not being able to utilise it due to monetary issue . I think government or billionaire in that country should sponsor or invest in it so that the best team can play all forms of cricket and get good money .

Why should either the government, or the billionaires should spent their money in cricket? The uber-rich may invest some money, provided that they get good returns in the future. Or rarely, you may be able to find someone like Allen Stanford who spent millions of USD from his own funds for the development of cricket in the West Indies.

Cricketers are considered as privileged people in West Indies and spending money on them may not be welcomed by the general population. Also, it is not viable to spend huge amounts on these players to make themselves available for the national team. It is a free world and anyone is free to chose his profession. The best thing to do right now is to give them complete freedom to chose between the T20 sides and the national team.

Government should definitely sponsor if the need be else how do you expect the right talent to give an opportunity if you are not able to provide them platform . Through cricket it creates a name in the rest of the world and it could lead to many things else as well in near future .

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Quote from: Juggy777 on November 20, 2019, 10:15:49 PM

West Indies do not earn a lot from the ICC and this was confirmed many years back, and many of their players had revolted against their board as WI players were being paid peanuts. I don’t think WI players are wrong to snub international cricket for T20 leagues, because they’ll never get huge amounts of money while playing for their nation. Also it’s pertinent to note that WI players economical situation is not that good, hence before criticising them look at their economic situation to understand why they choose to play in T20 leagues to earn more.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/29661268

On average, the WICB gets around $12 million per year from the ICC (as per the revised financial model for 2015-2023). I am not sure how much of that amount ends up at the hands of the international players. But even if we take a liberal estimate, it will be much lower than what they get from the two-month long Indian Premier League competition.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on November 19, 2019, 12:51:44 PM

So are you telling that they are not making any revenue on their own and all the funds they are getting are from the ICC which is strange, there is no point in restricting the players in playing different leagues to make money but there should be available to play in major series, the main players can rest against small teams but when they are playing top ranked teams i think they will have their full strength squad.

I am not sure how much they make from broadcasting and sponsorship deals, but my suspicion is that it is not a large amount.

West Indies players are some of the highly paid cricketers and it is no surprised that they give a higher priority for T20 leagues such as the Indian Premier League (IPL) and Big Bash League (BBL) over the matches involving the national team.

West Indies do not earn a lot from the ICC and this was confirmed many years back, and many of their players had revolted against their board as WI players were being paid peanuts. I don’t think WI players are wrong to snub international cricket for T20 leagues, because they’ll never get huge amounts of money while playing for their nation. Also it’s pertinent to note that WI players economical situation is not that good, hence before criticising them look at their economic situation to understand why they choose to play in T20 leagues to earn more.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/29661268

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 20, 2019, 12:04:27 PM

Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on November 19, 2019, 12:51:44 PM

So are you telling that they are not making any revenue on their own and all the funds they are getting are from the ICC which is strange, there is no point in restricting the players in playing different leagues to make money but there should be available to play in major series, the main players can rest against small teams but when they are playing top ranked teams i think they will have their full strength squad.

I am not sure how much they make from broadcasting and sponsorship deals, but my suspicion is that it is not a large amount. Even if the amount is large, they will struggle to match the offers being made by various T20 sides. I can give you a few examples. Carlos Brathwaite was mopped up by the Kolkata Knight Riders for a whooping ₹50,000,000 ($700,000). Kieron Pollard is being paid ₹54,000,000 ($800,000). Do you really think that the WICB can afford to pay them this much?

West Indies players are some of the highly paid cricketers and it is no surprised that they give a higher priority for T20 leagues such as the Indian Premier League (IPL) and Big Bash League (BBL) over the matches involving the national team. These are the salaries of some of the West Indian players in the IPL (as of 2019):

Sunil Narine: $1,200,000
Dwayne Bravo: $925,766
Andre Russell: $1,000,000
Kieron Pollard: $$781,115
Evin Lewis: $549,673
Carlos Brathwaite: $696,000
Shimron Hetmyer: $585,000
Nicholas Pooran: $585,000
Sherfane Rutherford: $279,000

Also, I am not sure whether the West Indies team can be described as a "national team". It is a conglomerate of more than a different small island nations (apart from Guyana in the mainland) and some of these nations have long standing enmity against each other.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on November 19, 2019, 12:51:44 PM

So are you telling that they are not making any revenue on their own and all the funds they are getting are from the ICC which is strange, there is no point in restricting the players in playing different leagues to make money but there should be available to play in major series, the main players can rest against small teams but when they are playing top ranked teams i think they will have their full strength squad.

I am not sure how much they make from broadcasting and sponsorship deals, but my suspicion is that it is not a large amount. Even if the amount is large, they will struggle to match the offers being made by various T20 sides. I can give you a few examples. Carlos Brathwaite was mopped up by the Kolkata Knight Riders for a whooping ₹50,000,000 ($700,000). Kieron Pollard is being paid ₹54,000,000 ($800,000). Do you really think that the WICB can afford to pay them this much?

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Quote from: onrise on November 19, 2019, 12:54:43 PM

One of the sad thing is that WI have talent but just not being able to utilise it due to monetary issue . I think government or billionaire in that country should sponsor or invest in it so that the best team can play all forms of cricket and get good money .

Why should either the government, or the billionaires should spent their money in cricket? The uber-rich may invest some money, provided that they get good returns in the future. Or rarely, you may be able to find someone like Allen Stanford who spent millions of USD from his own funds for the development of cricket in the West Indies.

Cricketers are considered as privileged people in West Indies and spending money on them may not be welcomed by the general population. Also, it is not viable to spend huge amounts on these players to make themselves available for the national team. It is a free world and anyone is free to chose his profession. The best thing to do right now is to give them complete freedom to chose between the T20 sides and the national team.

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