Topic: [Table] Withdrawal Fees and Withdrawal Amounts on Crypto Casinos - page 4. (Read 12259 times)

It is precisely for this enormous work on updating the data that we all, users of our forum, should be grateful to OP @Pmalek for the fact that he maintains this topic responsibly and checks all the changes that other users write here, usually based on their own experience. 
It is this information in the table that is really of interest and is very suitable, for example, for beginners in gambling, or for some players who have little experience in gambling when they are tired of a casino and are looking for something new. 
I think OP should certainly continue to lead this topic further.  This is definitely very useful and sought-after information for our forum.
 For example, I’m interested in how casinos will react to payments in Bitcoin in the new year if this mess with loading Ordinals continues.  In part, many players have already noticed some changes, but these changes are clear, they are logical and should be expected.

Yes, there are some good new ones but since we can't be 100% sure that they will continue to be good and you are serious with your list, I think it will be a good alternative to create a new table named - New crypto casinos and rename old one with well-established crypto casinos.

His list is very big and it's hard for him to update it regularly, this is very time-consuming and boring to check min withdrawal amount and withdrawal fee. I hope casino representatives help him and provide new information every time they change fees on their website. It will save Pmalek's time and it will benefit crypto casinos too.

@Mahdirakib
I will check it out when I return home from my trip. I am currently writing from my phone, which makes it pretty difficult to do any checking now. I am starting to understand those who keep asking about a Bitcointalk mobile app more and more.

@Pmalek, It's been a while since you have rechecked and updated the withdrawal information of all casinos. But I think it is necessary now to perform a major update by rechecking the information from each casino. The transaction fee has increased significantly as there is a high load on Bitcoin network. Some casinos have increased their minimum withdrawal limit to reduce the pressure of Bitcoin withdrawal. As example, BitKong has increased the min withdrawal limit to 0.001 BTC, they have increased the withdrawal fee too. Gamdom and LuckyDiamond has changed it to $220 and 0.005 BTC respectively.

Maybe you would like to remove the word 'around' from the withdrawal amount column of Duelbits, it isn't necessary there . There is a typo in the FortuneJack withdrawal limit command for the fiat to BTC exchange rate, you have used $20 command instead of $4.

On the other hand, it looks like Stake has made changes in their Bitcoin withdrawal system. Maybe the min withdrawal limit is equivalent to $2.5 for Bitcoin now (like the altcoins). And the withdrawal fee is dynamic or it could be equivalent to $4 for BTC. I'm not exactly sure about this though, and the support agents are clueless about the changes.

@Peeps Place
I don't participate in smear campaigns. If a casino plays dirty, I will remove it from my collection. I have done it before. I am not incentivised by anyone for you to think otherwise. The existence of scam accusations isn't proof of a scam without valid proof.
It goes the other way around as well, if accusations are missing, maybe the affected individuals aren't here to make the accusations.

@notblox1
Yes, the sum is correct. It's been like that ever since I created this thread. It's unbelievable that they have never lowered their fees.

Looks like it's completely legit based on my research. As you said, it's completely messed up since the amount is close to a grand implying that they are trying their best not to release customer funds.

Such sites don't deserve to be a part of Pmalek's list if you ask me. Ridiculous stuff!

Is Bethash casino Minimum Withdrawal Amount correct or this is some mistake in the table?
Now it shows 0.02 BTC or 874 USD for withdrawal and I dont think this is acceptable for any player on that casino.
I have seen high limits before but nothing like this.

They are going to add LTC for withdrawals. They do need to bring back the max bet button.

There are 2 newbies in the last page of Nitrobetting's ANN thread complaining. One with 3 posts and the other with 2 posts. Then there are veteran posters Haunebu (2014), Ralle (2015) and 3kpk3 (2017) in the thread. The experienced guys should carry more weight considering those 3 veteran posters in the Nitrobetting thread. We all know and respect them.

Perfectly understandable. They weren't really great as NitrogenSports, but they are alright now after changing to Nitrobetting though they take way too long for withdrawals and their BTC withdrawal fee is horrendous.

The only good thing about their site is some really great odds in various markets from time to time though their limits are usually on the lower side.

I don't leave my thread much and we've talked somewhat about this before. I'm jumping in since the topic is brought up again. People keep repeating false things about Nitrobetting.  Respected posters play at Nitrobetting and they are semi-regulars in their ANN thread. There seems to be a smear campaign against Nitrobetting. Other books can get away with misdeeds because they get blind support. Bettors don't speak up about a book when they do things right. When a book is talked about, they are doing something wrong.

Haunebu is a hero member. He plays at Nitrobetting and was in their ANN thread Dec. 21. Ahoybrouse a SR. member was in the thread Dec. 20. 3kpk3 full member plays at Nitrobetting and was in the thread Dec. 22. ralle14 Legendary plays at Nitrobetting and I see him a lot in the thread.

Scam accusations from January 1, 2023 - December 22, 2023

Nitrobetting A+
0 accusations

Betcoin A+ .Betcoin does agree to binding 3rd party aribitration of player's choice.
Betcoin   6/17/2023   $7,700.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betcoinag-is-trying-to-scam-me-off-my-77k-usd-balance-resolved-5456682   Resolved
Betcoin   4/23/2023   $1,000.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betcoinag-scam-1000-5449900   Resolved
Betcoin   4/21/2023   .213 BTC   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betcoin-permanently-suspended-my-account-and-withholding-my-5449749   Arbitration Offered
Betcoin   2/5/2023   $20,000.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/085-btc-20k-scam-playbetrcom-betcoinag-scam-accounts-closed-ignoring-5438132 Resolved thepogg
Betcoin   2/26/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betcoinag-closing-my-account-and-keeping-my-funds-5441329   Resolved
Betcoin   2/14/2023   $15,000.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/solved-betcoinag-scamming-15k-including-deposit-scammed-5439834   Resolved

mBet A-
0 accusations

Stake B
Stake   12/18/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/funds-withdrawn-from-stake-without-2fa-5478418
Stake   11/21/2023   $12,500.00  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stake-is-scam-12000-5474855
Stake   9/28/2023  ?     https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stakecom-and-casinoguru-coverup-5468477
Stake   9/14/2023   $20,000.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stake-scammed-me-off-apx-20000-usdti-want-my-hard-earned-money-backhelp-pls-5466839   
Stake   9/11/2023   $100,000.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stake-lock-my-account-after-winning-100k-5466400   
Stake   9/8/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stake-false-tranaction-not-found-5466109   Resolved
Stake   9/4/2023   $541.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-stakecom-solved-5465677   Resolved
Stake   8/11/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stakecom-do-not-trust-the-marketing-and-promotions-team-5462873   Resolved
Stake   8/1/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-alert-stakecom-missing-bets-from-the-website-archive-odds-not-matching-5461706   
Stake   7/24/2023   $75.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/got-scamed-by-stake-5460913   Resolved
Stake   7/7/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stakecom-is-a-scam-the-use-sensors-to-manipulate-the-bets-nothing-fair-5458920   
Stake   7/4/2023   10500 XRP   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-stakecom-stole-10500-xrp-5458557   
Stake   7/3/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stakecom-family-scam-business-since-90s-5458456   
Stake   6/2/2023   $2,000.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stake-scammed-me-due-to-racial-discrimination-and-personal-issues-5454864   
Stake   5/15/23   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stakecom-stole-hundreds-of-thousands-from-me-ilegally-5452766   
Stake   5/17/2023   0.14892000 BTC   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stakecom-scammed-me-for-015-btc-5453029   
Stake   10/11/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stakecom-account-suspended-proof-of-funds-how-to-provide-5416789   
Stake   4/14/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/solved-stakecom-blocking-withdrawal-and-not-responding-to-emails-5448883   
Stake   2/21/2023   $165,000.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/hacked-for-165k-stakecom-5440739   
Stake   1/4/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stake-is-unfair-and-biased-nothing-but-classism-5433046   

Bitsler B-
Bitsler   9/19/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitsler-is-a-complete-and-utter-scam-5360813   

FortuneJack B-
Fortunejack   12/18/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fortunejack-provably-fair-games-are-not-fair-5478417
Fortunejack   11/3/2023    $1500.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/1500-5472748
Fortunejack   9/14/2023   $279.60   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/solved-5466779   Resolved

Betfury C+
Betfury   1/19/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betfury-not-pay-27k-5406841   Resolved

Cloudbet C+
Cloudbet   9/10/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cloudbet-deceptive-marketing-to-banned-jurisdiction-and-refuses-to-refund-5466334   
Cloudbet   4/7/2023   1.6 ETH   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/resolved-cloudbet-stealing-my-funds-5447946   Resolved
Cloudbet   3/14/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cloudbet-account-under-review-for-5-months-5444821   

Roobet C+
0 accusations

Duelbits C
Duelbits   8/27/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/duelbits-scam-alert-unveiling-the-illusion-of-the-most-rewarding-casino-5464671   
Duelbits   7/11/2023   $2,000.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/duelbits-not-withdrawing-2k-usd-3months-5459388   Resolved
Duelbits   6/1/2023   $500,000.00    https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/duelbits-500000-unresolved-problem-5454703   Resolved
Duelbits   4/15/2023   $950.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/duelbits-wont-send-me-withdraw-amount-5448936   Resolved
Duelbits   4/4/2023   $1,100.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-alert-duelbits-scam-1100-5447135   
Duelbits   1/9/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/evolution-scammed-me-on-duelbits-table-5433623   

Sportsbet C
Sportsbet  12/3/2023   $14,500.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sportsbet-scam-my-14450-please-help-me-5476415
Sportsbet   11/5/2023  ?  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/solved-sportsbetio-rude-support-and-wierd-decisions-5472884 Resolved
Sportsbet    9/29/2023  $5,000  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sportbetone-just-stole-5k-usd-from-me-5468447
Sportsbet   9/13/2023   $250.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/do-not-bet-anymore-on-sportsbetio-wrong-bet-decision-on-unusual-match-5466721   Resolved
Sportsbet   8/22/2023   38.32 LTC   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/serious-sportsbet-problem-they-paid-3832-ltc-to-the-wrong-address-5464122   
Sportsbet   8/14/2023   $1,200.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sportsbetio-falsely-accuses-me-of-multi-accounting-and-refuses-to-pay-my-money-5463240                   
Sportsbet   4/24/2023   $1,350.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sportsbetio-accuse-me-with-multi-accounting-and-dont-pay-my-winnings-5450006   Resolved
Sportsbet   3/23/2023   $5,500.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sportsbetio-steal-money-5446033   
Sportsbet   5/4/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sportsbetio-fake-games-in-play-be-careful-5451223   
Sportsbet   4/3/2023   219 mBTC   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/resolved-sportsbetio-holding-my-funds-342-mbtc-5447376   Resolved
Sportsbet   2/14/2023   $1,731.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sportsbetio-scam-1731-usdt-5439809   
Sportsbet   3/8/2023   $1,700.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-site-sportbetio-stealing-money-important-5443999   
Sportsbet   1/17/2023   $250.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sportsbetio-took-my-money-5435667   
Sportsbet   1/5/2023   $6,472.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sportsbetio-multi-accounting-problem-5433051   Resolved

MaverickGames C
Maverickgames   6/6/2023   $600.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/maverickgames-takes-money-away-5455433   
Maverickgames   6/8/2023   $2,000.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/maverickgamescom-casino-is-a-scam-5455752   

Owl C
0 accusations


TrustDice C
Trustdice   6/18/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/just-got-scammed-by-trustdicewin-stay-away-5456716 Fairness is verifiable
Trustdice   3/10/2023   .075 BTC   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/my-expirience-on-site-trustdicecom-scam-5444374 Resolved CasinoGuru


ParlayPlus C-
0 accusations

Wolf C-
Wolfbet   11/7/2023   $18.55   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wolfbet-commission-withdraw-5473231  Resolved

Rollbit D+
Rollbit   11/28/2023   $292.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-voided-my-won-bet-after-match-finished-5475823
Rollbit  11/5/2023  $22,000  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-stealing-22k-and-banning-my-account-5472882
Rollbit  10/23/2023  ?  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-has-literally-has-thrown-my-money-away-sending-it-to-an-ftx-address-5471380
Rollbit  10/4/2023 ? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-robbed-my-money-i-made-honest-bet-help-5469212
Rollbit   8/31/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbitcom-pragmatic-blackjack-scammed-me-5465228   
Rollbit   8/21/2023   $30,211.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-scam-cannot-withdraw-30211-being-ignored-by-support-5463996   
Rollbit   6/29/2023   $410.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-disabling-account-and-confiscating-balance-of-410-5458053   Resolved
Rollbit   4/19/2023   $10,200.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-disables-account-and-seizes-funds-102k-5449402   
Rollbit   6/25/2023   $4,000.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-holding-4k-withdrawal-been-7-days-5457538   Reolved
Rollbit   5/25/2023   $5,000.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-scam-5k-gdpr-problem-5454027   
Rollbit   4/8/2023   $920.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-hold-funds-and-ignore-in-chat-5448076   
Rollbit   4/6/2023   $255.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-scam-255-usdt-5447740   
Rollbit   4/3/2023   $350.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-scam-5447471   Resolved
Rollbit   3/7/2023   $12,800.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-withdrawal-frozen-for-12800-no-response-5443932   Resolved
Rollbit   2/23/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scammed-by-rollbit-5441023   
Rollbit   2/21/23   $1,497.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-rollbitcom-you-deposit-1497-busd-you-withdraw-0-account-blocked-5440636   
Rollbit   1/10/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-scammed-5433691   
Rollbit   1/3/2023   $737.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5432854   

I appreciate the feedback. However, it's still the same brand but with a slightly different name. NitrogenSports having shady practices and renaming into Nitrobetting or having a sister casino with a different name would be like you scamming people on this forum, and then coming back calling yourself 4kpk4. You are still the same person that was involved in what you shouldn't have been in the past.

Besides, I am not sure what kind of userbase they have here. I can't remember the last time I have heard anyone say they are gambling on Nitrobetting, and I don't see recommendations for their platform among players here.   

Interesting. NitrogenSports does have negative feedback and they did engage in some shady shit back in the day, but they seemed to have changed quite a bit after transforming into Nitrobetting which has zero negative feedback currently.

It's understandable why they aren't on your list though I feel like they should be given a second chance thanks to their transformation. Just my 2 cents!

There are no special requirements. I don't consider new casinos for this list. They must have been around and live for at least a couple of months with no proven records of scams against forum members. Having said that, I am aware that there are many platforms that are missing and could be added to extend the collection. I will consider adding some new names after the holidays. Many users have mentioned several brands they think should be added. So, I will look into those requests first.

I think it's a good approach to only add casinos that have announcement threads on Bitcointalk and are active on this forum. The huge benefit of this community is that when something bad happens and someone opens a valid scam accusation thread, we are here to help to push casinos to pay their customer. Also, we can leave negative or positive trust feedback on accounts that represent casinos on this forum. We can't do anything on those who don't promote themselves on this forum and it's not our duty to dig to find them. If they want, you'll come here.

Your list is very good. By the way what about new crypto casinos? What are the requirements that they need to fulfil in order to get included in your list?

NitroBetting and NitrogenSports have a bad reputation on Bitcointalk. It's a casino that is negatively tagged by several DT members for various issues. One of my rules is that I don't add casinos and sportsbooks with negative ratings and/or proven cases of scamming Bitcointalk members. So, the age of the platform isn't the reason why it's not on the list.

I might have missed some discussion related to this site in this thread, but I noticed that Nitrobetting isn't part of your list which is odd considering how long they have been around in the crypto sportsbetting realm.

Anyway, they added an extra 0.5 mBtc withdrawal fee for BTC withdrawals thanks to Ordinals crap recently. They also mentioned that they will be adding a LTC withdrawal option soon.

It seems to me that after this story with Ordinals, many casino managers will begin to think about whether it is worth leaving the option of paying deposits and, accordingly, winnings in bitcoins at all.
 If we are talking about payments that the player needs to make quickly, then such a state of the BTC mempool and such large commissions automatically cut off the ability of most players to make such transfers.  You will probably have to switch to other Altcoins where there are no such problems. 
This, in a sense, will of course redistribute payments in cryptocurrency towards coins that are much cheaper to maintain.  For example, Tron will win.

My last complete check of all the numbers in the table dates back to the end of August. The Ordinals inscriptions were already causing problems back then and it's still ongoing as we all can see. Honestly, I have never thought about which particular casinos make regular changes to their withdrawal fees, for instance. Many crypto casinos have dynamic withdrawal fees, so the numbers change all the time. Obviously, those with fixed sums don't make changes as often. 

This is what makes your table and this topic itself very valuable for users of our forum.  Indeed, players can always clarify some of the nuances of withdrawing money to their account in the casino’s profile topic here in the Gambling section. 
I understand perfectly well how much effort and time you spend on updating this data. 
And it is even more likely that the period of insane commissions and a huge mempool in the Bitcoin network made serious adjustments to these commission data.  Of course you are an expert in these matters, I have no doubt.  But maybe, based on your observations, you can note several casinos that actively change their data in such extreme situations as the latest events related to Ordinals.  These changes may partially and indirectly signal to players about the decreasing reliability of such casinos.
 I think this information would be useful to many players.

I'm pretty sure that previously I read about fixed fee for btc and eth in their blog, unfortunately I did not quote it or did not take a screenshot.
Just visited the blog again and I see that it is not the same as what I read earlier, seems to be updated already as btc and eth are no longer mentioned in the blog post. 
Not a significant change IMO, the fee is still in the range of $1-$4 depending on the coin to withdraw.