[Table] Withdrawal Fees and Withdrawal Amounts on Crypto Casinos - page 4.

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Quote from: Rating Place on January 01, 2024, 10:49:16 PM

I just gather the news with links without personal attacks. I don’t even bring over the Trust Pilot reviews since I can’t verify.

Stop with spam and with spreading of your propaganda here please.

Guys we are seriously going to have to have to report recent off-topic posts in this topic to moderators!
This is the place to take about withdrawal fees and withdrawal amounts on casinos, not about complaining and accusations.
Please everyone lets get back on topic.

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Quote from: sportsbet.io on January 01, 2024, 07:54:17 PM

I honestly don't know what to say..

I'm so sick of Peepspalace throwing sportsbooks under the bus for his agendas, it's just ridiculous.

Please read my response on the Sportsbet Scam accusation.. all the information is there to be read.. I gave a pretty honest review.
Just wish Peeps did the same with his sportsbook reviews.

I'm fine accepting stuffing up, and we have done it previously, but we have always been open and honest about it..

But ONE thing I won't accept or tolerate anymore is the fact that sportsbet.io are thrown under the bus by a has been in a topic labeled "Withdrawal Fees and Withdrawal Amounts"

Sportsbet.io has always covered the cost of withdrawal fees since 2016, and we will stand by that. This part is cool.

What I won't stand by is having some has-been bring up a stupid scam accusation against us in a completely random thread. The mentioned Scam was quickly shut down in our favour with absolute facts.

I really didn't expect Peeps to bring up a false scam accusation against us in a thread like this.

So disappointing for the forum guys who were reading a pretty decent thread.

cheers lads.

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Quote from: Rating Place on January 01, 2024, 03:43:00 PM

The casino "claims" jurisdiction, bonus abuse, or limit circumvention". When you read the accusations, there is no reason for the player to do so and the casino has no proof.

Proof isn't always shared publicly because doing that is providing feedback and giving tips to abusers on how to improve. If casinos told everyone how they discovered their wrongdoings, the abusers would know exactly what to focus on and improve in the future. And I agree with sportsbet.io that this really isn't the place to discuss the particulars of past scam accusations.

Besides, those opening scam accusations, often "conveniently" forget to mention the whole story or leave out things that make them guilty. So saying that they don't have a reason to multi-account or cheat is believing what they said is true just because they said it. I have already mentioned several reasons of why they try to scam casinos.

Quote from: Rating Place on January 01, 2024, 03:43:00 PM

Would it be possible to add a column for "Alts free"?

Adding new columns to the table would mess up the formatting and they wouldn't all fit on most screens. You would see them in two rows. Just for clarity, what do you mean with "Alts Free?" Would it contain information about casinos where you can withdraw altcoins free of charge?

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Quote from: Haunebu on January 02, 2024, 02:25:43 AM

Quote from: Pmalek on January 01, 2024, 02:42:38 PM

We shouldn't expect that crypto casinos lower their fees unless the market conditions change to everyone's favor. If network fees remain high, so will the transaction fees that crypto casinos apply.

True, but there are sites out there like Sportsbet.io that are still offering zero withdrawal fees using BTC which just goes to show how some of them care more about their customers than others.

Thankfully, we have alternative crypto like LTC, Doge etc and crypto exchangers like Poorbot etc that provide alternate solutions to this annoying issue.

Yeah! This is truly a very player-friendly quality of a casino like Sportsbet.io.
I agree that the question of the size of commissions for using Bitcoin arose and became relevant only recently, when this story with an overloaded mempool began.
Others, Altcoins, of course, save players from large commissions, but it is worth considering that many people are accustomed to using only Bitcoin and it is inconvenient for them to constantly exchange Bitcoin for Altcoins, which, by the way, is also quite expensive.

Quote from: Pmalek on January 01, 2024, 02:42:38 PM

We shouldn't expect that crypto casinos lower their fees unless the market conditions change to everyone's favor. If network fees remain high, so will the transaction fees that crypto casinos apply.

I agree, of course, with OP Pmalek that we should not expect major changes in terms of improving the conditions of use of almost all casinos for the games of the least wealthy and thrifty players. This is like a logical forecast of the entire sphere of cryptocurrency payments.

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Quote from: Pmalek on January 01, 2024, 02:42:38 PM

We shouldn't expect that crypto casinos lower their fees unless the market conditions change to everyone's favor. If network fees remain high, so will the transaction fees that crypto casinos apply.

True, but there are sites out there like Sportsbet.io that are still offering zero withdrawal fees using BTC which just goes to show how some of them care more about their customers than others.

Thankfully, we have alternative crypto like LTC, Doge etc and crypto exchangers like Poorbot etc that provide alternate solutions to this annoying issue.

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Quote from: sportsbet.io on January 01, 2024, 10:06:50 PM

Hi Peeps,

Besides being 100% incorrect.. this thread wasn't the place for it.

Pls leave scam-busting to the professionals and don't talk rubbish about books you know nothing about.

This blatant scam by the customer was never going to Arbitration... and if it was, you would NEVER be involved or consulted..

I haven't checked your ridiculously biased opinions on that biased sportsbook thread for years, but I'm guessing Nitrogen is still A or A + ( someone please confirm for me )

That in itself would say it all.

Don't throw us under the bus again for your ridiculous agenda, please..

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p.s. Its not our thread, so it's my last post on the matter out our respect to the thread owner.

I don’t want to be involved in any of your problems or deal with arbitration. It’s lose/lose situation. You could have gone to Ask Gamblers or Casino Guru. You took a guy's deposits and refused to show proof to anyone. No one agrees with you in the scam accusation thread. It's not the first time. I just gather the news with links without personal attacks. I don’t even bring over the Trust Pilot reviews since I can’t verify. They have all kinds of complaints this year that you confiscated money accusing people of multi-accounting. 74% of the people rate you 1 out of 5.

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Hi Peeps,

Besides being 100% incorrect.. this thread wasn't the place for it.

Pls leave scam-busting to the professionals and don't talk rubbish about books you know nothing about.

This blatant scam by the customer was never going to Arbitration... and if it was, you would NEVER be involved or consulted..

I haven't checked your ridiculously biased opinions on that biased sportsbook thread for years, but I'm guessing Nitrogen is still A or A + ( someone please confirm for me )

That in itself would say it all.

Don't throw us under the bus again for your ridiculous agenda, please..

regards

Steve.
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p.s. Its not our thread, so it's my last post on the matter out our respect to the thread owner.

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I honestly don't know what to say..

I'm so sick of Peepspalace throwing sportsbooks under the bus for his agendas, it's just ridiculous.

Please read my response on the Sportsbet Scam accusation.. all the information is there to be read.. I gave a pretty honest review.
Just wish Peeps did the same with his sportsbook reviews.

I'm fine accepting stuffing up, and we have done it previously, but we have always been open and honest about it..

But ONE thing I won't accept or tolerate anymore is the fact that sportsbet.io are thrown under the bus by a has been in a topic labeled "Withdrawal Fees and Withdrawal Amounts"

Sportsbet.io has always covered the cost of withdrawal fees since 2016, and we will stand by that. This part is cool.

What I won't stand by is having some has-been bring up a stupid scam accusation against us in a completely random thread. The mentioned Scam was quickly shut down in our favour with absolute facts.

I really didn't expect Peeps to bring up a false scam accusation against us in a thread like this.

So disappointing for the forum guys who were reading a pretty decent thread.

cheers lads.

Steve.
Sportsbet.io

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Quote from: Rating Place on January 01, 2024, 03:43:00 PM

Quote from: Pmalek on January 01, 2024, 02:42:38 PM

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Other books are stealing winnings and deposits for jurisdiction or multi-accounting. Just because the rules say they can steal doesn't make it right to steal.

Playing from restricted and banned restrictions is sadly a reality. Some players try it on purpose, others make mistakes and do it not knowing they aren't supposed to play from the geographical region they are in. Multi-accounting is also a thing, mainly because some players attempt to abuse bonuses, wanting to get their hands on some free money. It's wrong in both cases.

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The casino "claims" jurisdiction, bonus abuse, or limit circumvention". When you read the accusations, there is no reason for the player to do so and the casino has no proof. It's the go to excuse to steal. For some reason it keeps happening to the same books but never happens to others.

Would it be possible to add a column for "Alts free"?

I had snooped in to intimate both of you (@Peeps Place and @Pmalek) That I have updated my crypto sportsbooks list. I have also mentioned both of your works at the bottom of the list. Your feedback is appreciated. Also, I am happy to join this conversation, if there's any help or opinion needed regarding the same. I am closely following the accusations posted above, seems non conclusive as of now. Thanks for your time and efforts. Happy New Year.

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Quote from: Pmalek on January 01, 2024, 02:42:38 PM

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Other books are stealing winnings and deposits for jurisdiction or multi-accounting. Just because the rules say they can steal doesn't make it right to steal.

Playing from restricted and banned restrictions is sadly a reality. Some players try it on purpose, others make mistakes and do it not knowing they aren't supposed to play from the geographical region they are in. Multi-accounting is also a thing, mainly because some players attempt to abuse bonuses, wanting to get their hands on some free money. It's wrong in both cases.

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The casino "claims" jurisdiction, bonus abuse, or limit circumvention". When you read the accusations, there is no reason for the player to do so and the casino has no proof. It's the go to excuse to steal. For some reason it keeps happening to the same books but never happens to others.

Would it be possible to add a column for "Alts free"?

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Other books are stealing winnings and deposits for jurisdiction or multi-accounting. Just because the rules say they can steal doesn't make it right to steal.

Playing from restricted and banned territories is sadly a reality. Some players try it on purpose, others make mistakes and do it not knowing they aren't supposed to play from the geographical region they are in. Multi-accounting is also a thing, mainly because some players attempt to abuse bonuses, wanting to get their hands on some free money. It's wrong in both cases.

Quote from: delfastTions on December 28, 2023, 09:21:04 AM

Since this disgrace with Bitcoin mempools has been going on for almost three months, a natural question arises: will there be a return to the usual values of transaction fees in Bitcoins in the past or will we all have to get used to the new reality.

We shouldn't expect that crypto casinos lower their fees unless the market conditions change to everyone's favor. If network fees remain high, so will the transaction fees that crypto casinos apply.

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For example, I’m interested in how casinos will react to payments in Bitcoin in the new year if this mess with loading Ordinals continues. In part, many players have already noticed some changes, but these changes are clear, they are logical and should be expected.

They will probably continue increasing the minimum withdrawal limits and withdrawal fees sadly.

Since this disgrace with Bitcoin mempools has been going on for almost three months, a natural question arises: will there be a return to the usual values of transaction fees in Bitcoins in the past or will we all have to get used to the new reality.
Of course, all casinos working with Bitcoin will adapt to the new reality of the mempool state. It is likely that the most advanced of them will introduce adequate dynamic commissions, but they will certainly be quite large, which will force a number of players, those who do not use medium and large amounts in the game, to switch to another cryptocurrency. Here the question naturally arises about how lojng this will last and how casinos will introduce dynamic commissions.
This, of course, will not be very pleasant for players who are accustomed to the commissions and withdrawal amounts that their favorite casinos had before.

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 26, 2023, 04:10:19 AM

Yes, the sum is correct. It's been like that ever since I created this thread. It's unbelievable that they have never lowered their fees.

That is crazy!
I dont have account there and I dont know anyone who is using this casino and now I know why.
Another casino I wont name was keeping high withdrawal amount for a long time, but they finally decided to reduce it.
I can understand if websites adjust withdrawal fees during high fees period, but Sportsbet still remains king with zero fees.

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Quote from: delfastTions on December 26, 2023, 12:06:10 PM

It is precisely for this enormous work on updating the data that we all, users of our forum, should be grateful to OP @Pmalek for the fact that he maintains this topic responsibly and checks all the changes that other users write here, usually based on their own experience.

Well said. This particular thread is easily one of my most favourite threads in the entire forum primarily because it has helped me figure out fees and amount related queries pretty quickly without checking the sites themselves. It deserves to be stickied in the gambling board.

Quote from: delfastTions on December 26, 2023, 12:06:10 PM

For example, I’m interested in how casinos will react to payments in Bitcoin in the new year if this mess with loading Ordinals continues. In part, many players have already noticed some changes, but these changes are clear, they are logical and should be expected.

They will probably continue increasing the minimum withdrawal limits and withdrawal fees sadly.

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Quote from: shield132 on December 26, 2023, 08:28:43 AM

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Quote from: shield132 on December 24, 2023, 05:32:00 AM

By the way what about new crypto casinos? What are the requirements that they need to fulfil in order to get included in your list?

There are no special requirements. I don't consider new casinos for this list. They must have been around and live for at least a couple of months with no proven records of scams against forum members. Having said that, I am aware that there are many platforms that are missing and could be added to extend the collection. I will consider adding some new names after the holidays. Many users have mentioned several brands they think should be added. So, I will look into those requests first.

Yes, there are some good new ones but since we can't be 100% sure that they will continue to be good and you are serious with your list, I think it will be a good alternative to create a new table named - New crypto casinos and rename old one with well-established crypto casinos.

Quote from: Mahdirakib on December 26, 2023, 05:33:11 AM

@Pmalek, It's been a while since you have rechecked and updated the withdrawal information of all casinos. But I think it is necessary now to perform a major update by rechecking the information from each casino. The transaction fee has increased significantly as there is a high load on Bitcoin network. Some casinos have increased their minimum withdrawal limit to reduce the pressure of Bitcoin withdrawal. As example, BitKong has increased the min withdrawal limit to 0.001 BTC, they have increased the withdrawal fee too. Gamdom and LuckyDiamond has changed it to $220 and 0.005 BTC respectively.

His list is very big and it's hard for him to update it regularly, this is very time-consuming and boring to check min withdrawal amount and withdrawal fee. I hope casino representatives help him and provide new information every time they change fees on their website. It will save Pmalek's time and it will benefit crypto casinos too.

It is precisely for this enormous work on updating the data that we all, users of our forum, should be grateful to OP @Pmalek for the fact that he maintains this topic responsibly and checks all the changes that other users write here, usually based on their own experience.
It is this information in the table that is really of interest and is very suitable, for example, for beginners in gambling, or for some players who have little experience in gambling when they are tired of a casino and are looking for something new.
I think OP should certainly continue to lead this topic further. This is definitely very useful and sought-after information for our forum.
For example, I’m interested in how casinos will react to payments in Bitcoin in the new year if this mess with loading Ordinals continues. In part, many players have already noticed some changes, but these changes are clear, they are logical and should be expected.

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 24, 2023, 06:23:27 AM

Quote from: shield132 on December 24, 2023, 05:32:00 AM

By the way what about new crypto casinos? What are the requirements that they need to fulfil in order to get included in your list?

There are no special requirements. I don't consider new casinos for this list. They must have been around and live for at least a couple of months with no proven records of scams against forum members. Having said that, I am aware that there are many platforms that are missing and could be added to extend the collection. I will consider adding some new names after the holidays. Many users have mentioned several brands they think should be added. So, I will look into those requests first.

Yes, there are some good new ones but since we can't be 100% sure that they will continue to be good and you are serious with your list, I think it will be a good alternative to create a new table named - New crypto casinos and rename old one with well-established crypto casinos.

Quote from: Mahdirakib on December 26, 2023, 05:33:11 AM

@Pmalek, It's been a while since you have rechecked and updated the withdrawal information of all casinos. But I think it is necessary now to perform a major update by rechecking the information from each casino. The transaction fee has increased significantly as there is a high load on Bitcoin network. Some casinos have increased their minimum withdrawal limit to reduce the pressure of Bitcoin withdrawal. As example, BitKong has increased the min withdrawal limit to 0.001 BTC, they have increased the withdrawal fee too. Gamdom and LuckyDiamond has changed it to $220 and 0.005 BTC respectively.

His list is very big and it's hard for him to update it regularly, this is very time-consuming and boring to check min withdrawal amount and withdrawal fee. I hope casino representatives help him and provide new information every time they change fees on their website. It will save Pmalek's time and it will benefit crypto casinos too.

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I will check it out when I return home from my trip. I am currently writing from my phone, which makes it pretty difficult to do any checking now. I am starting to understand those who keep asking about a Bitcointalk mobile app more and more.

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@Pmalek, It's been a while since you have rechecked and updated the withdrawal information of all casinos. But I think it is necessary now to perform a major update by rechecking the information from each casino. The transaction fee has increased significantly as there is a high load on Bitcoin network. Some casinos have increased their minimum withdrawal limit to reduce the pressure of Bitcoin withdrawal. As example, BitKong has increased the min withdrawal limit to 0.001 BTC, they have increased the withdrawal fee too. Gamdom and LuckyDiamond has changed it to $220 and 0.005 BTC respectively.

Maybe you would like to remove the word 'around' from the withdrawal amount column of Duelbits, it isn't necessary there

. There is a typo in the FortuneJack withdrawal limit command for the fiat to BTC exchange rate, you have used $20 command instead of $4.

On the other hand, it looks like Stake has made changes in their Bitcoin withdrawal system. Maybe the min withdrawal limit is equivalent to $2.5 for Bitcoin now (like the altcoins). And the withdrawal fee is dynamic or it could be equivalent to $4 for BTC. I'm not exactly sure about this though, and the support agents are clueless about the changes.

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I don't participate in smear campaigns. If a casino plays dirty, I will remove it from my collection. I have done it before. I am not incentivised by anyone for you to think otherwise. The existence of scam accusations isn't proof of a scam without valid proof.
It goes the other way around as well, if accusations are missing, maybe the affected individuals aren't here to make the accusations.

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Yes, the sum is correct. It's been like that ever since I created this thread. It's unbelievable that they have never lowered their fees.

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Quote from: notblox1 on December 25, 2023, 06:48:33 PM

Is Bethash casino Minimum Withdrawal Amount correct or this is some mistake in the table?
Now it shows 0.02 BTC or 874 USD for withdrawal and I dont think this is acceptable for any player on that casino.
I have seen high limits before but nothing like this.

Looks like it's completely legit based on my research. As you said, it's completely messed up since the amount is close to a grand implying that they are trying their best not to release customer funds.

Such sites don't deserve to be a part of Pmalek's list if you ask me. Ridiculous stuff!

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