Taliban are highly unlikely to change

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Quote from: Mometaskers on September 05, 2021, 12:44:54 PM

I doubt they will change much though they have given us plenty of amusements these past weeks. Like when they were seen enjoying themselves in an amusement park and then they made a complete 180 and banned such entertainments, along music and stuff.

Something more amusing is that they have an official Twitter while Trump is banned from the platform.

Twitter is essentially a platform to spread far-left and Islamist viewpoints. They have banned right-wing users like Trump, but they are perfectly OK with terrorists such as Taliban, ISIS, Hamas and Hezbollah. And it will be foolish to expect Taliban to be any different from what they were in 1996-2001. There seems to be some internal differences within the Taliban. But these differences are not related to the interpretation of the Sharia law, but related to the clan and tribal representation. The left-wing has been trying really hard in the last few weeks to convince others that the new Taliban is "reformed Taliban" and different from the Taliban of 1996-01, but ground reports suggests that they have on the other hand become more brutal and repressive.

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It is like the Taliban will not most likely fulfill some of their promises not to abuse women right, they are extremist, they suppressed women right when they were in power from 1996 to 2001 to the extent females were not allowed to go to school and also women were barred from public life. I just watched this video to see what a women says about her experience at the airport when questioned by Taliban militia

Talking about change, anyone that does not have the act or attribute of change is hard to see them do so.
From their reign in 1996-2001, they were all about abusing women's rights, so it's a means of getting people's minds calm before they show their real motive.
The same scenario is seen in our country Nigeria today which a government that brought untold hardship on the nation some years back still comes back and the same
attributes are exhibited also, so it's hard to change what you are, and I think time will surely tell.

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I doubt they will change much though they have given us plenty of amusements these past weeks. Like when they were seen enjoying themselves in an amusement park and then they made a complete 180 and banned such entertainments, along music and stuff.

Something more amusing is that they have an official Twitter while Trump is banned from the platform.

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I believe that change takes place from the moment the population fights for their rights, and that includes blood, sweat and tears. Currently, many women are unwilling to accept the regime imposed by the Taliban and many are willing to give their lives to earn their rights. Recently, a group of women took to the streets of Herat, the country's third-largest city, about 810 km west of Kabul; dressed in burkas and hijabs (Islamic veil) held up posters and shouted phrases in front of Taliban militiamen… “All of you must fight the Taliban. (…) It is our duty to have education, work and security! ”. Afghan women and girls fear that the Taliban will not allow them to go to school and work, and that is a setback for them.

Taliban militia observes unprecedented act of Afghan women in Herat for education and work: "Fear not, fear not, we are united!" - (credit: AFP)

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Quote from: NotFuzzyWarm on September 03, 2021, 03:00:40 PM

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According to the Quran, children marrying older man is not forbidden

Nor is it forbidden in Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism nor any other major religions 'Good Book's as far as I know. That is a cultural taboo - not a religious one.

Perhaps, but Christianity, Buddhism, and Hinduism have also experienced modernization, and most major societies that practice these religions have experienced secularization already. That does not apply to Islamic theocracies, and that especially does not apply to the Taliban. So, you can expect the most egregious and reprehensible practices to still originate from heavy Islamic regions. The moderate muslims do not live in Afghanistan, they already live in westernized societies.

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According to the Quran, children marrying older man is not forbidden

Nor is it forbidden in Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism nor any other major religions 'Good Book's as far as I know. That is a cultural taboo - not a religious one.

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This is why nobody wants to take in Afghan refuges. Different value systems, no screening mechanisms involved, and the antithesis of westernized law.

According to the Quran, children marrying older man is not forbidden, and the Taliban's interpretation of the Quran is extreme and literal, meaning you can expect women to have their rights erased completely, LGBT members to be stoned to death, and small children being married off or sex trafficked.

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I look at it on the one Bright Side of the situation: For the 1st time in hundreds of years, Afghanistan has a chance to run their own country (almost) anyway the Afghani's want to. For centuries Afghanistan has been called 'The Graveyard of Empires' because of so many other countries trying to either rule it or change it to suit their needs & ideology -- and every single country that has tried all met the same fate. Utter failure.

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At least until there's a democratic election and free speech, at bare minimum.

For most of the world those ideas are a fairly recent thing in Human history. In theory, ja they are a good thing. In practice, when a culture has historically never lived like that it often leads to chaos.

As long as the Taliban realize that they should not and cannot allow terrorists to use their country as a home base, works for me.

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I think America got tired of losing billions of dollars in a senseless war for them to instill democracy in a country where the people themselves are between 2 sides,pro Western and ready for Democracy and pro Taliban ready for another way of guidance.Unfortunately this just shows that even if you are the greatest country in the world with the most powerful army you really cannot change people ideologies no matter how hard you try.Taliban is the regime which will soon close every tie with the Western Civilization like they have done in the past when they were in power 20-25 years ago.

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They cannot change because they use a different source of morality/values. While the modern nations incorporate western values with human rights and stuff, Taliban only use their holy book as their guide.

Quote from: Mauser on August 30, 2021, 01:42:06 PM

It's crazy to see all the Taliban on social media now how they try to be open for Western country. In my opinion this is all show, they are mit trying to really change.

I don't buy this as well Cheesy

At least until there's a democratic election and free speech, at bare minimum.

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Quote from: inoes on August 28, 2021, 06:38:21 PM

Because history proves winning the war is easier than maintaining the victory. Britain, the Soviet Union and the US easily took control of Afghanistan but they could not manage the victory and were eventually forced to leave in a disgraceful manner.

That's the truth behind the whole thing, maintaining the victory is always where the problem lies. Being open about the press conferences is a mare declaration of the actual to come as, I don't believe any such good governance would come off a Taliban rule. It is a rule instilled by fear and when a people, a citizenry is held together by fear or force, your sure to experience revolt in time and this is what would become of the Taliban rule in time.

You can imagine a sole idea of a sole religion conjugate about this which is a direct hindrance to freedom and freewill. It doesn't tell so well for the well being of everyone, foreigners inclusive.

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Quote from: verita1 on August 25, 2021, 05:05:55 PM

Russian President Vladimir Putin and Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey through a phone call agreed to strengthen bilateral coordination on Afghan affairs.
Russia's strategy is to control the Taliban.

Russia strategy is not to protect or bring peace in Afghanistan, thermy are trying to play smart since America are out of business with the Taliban, Russia want to use this opportunity to build relationships with Taliban for the sake of their oil and resources. America did it for 20 years.

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Quote from: Mauser on August 30, 2021, 01:42:06 PM

In my opinion this is all show,

It is. I've just seen the most recent news about them talking in media while those weapons are on their arms being televized. Well, that's Taliban to the world.
They're making it look like they're good in front of the media but they can't even remove their weapons as if there's a mighty power in front of them that they shall fight.

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It's crazy to see all the Taliban on social media now how they try to be open for Western country. In my opinion this is all show, they are mit trying to really change. The only thing they are trying to achieve at the moment is to project some kind of stability. Only if there is some kind of stability they will be able to keep getting international support and help. Especially the NGOs and health agencies are going a lot of work in Afghanistan.

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Many are pessimistic, but not a few are optimistic that the Taliban has changed. Russia even sees a "more pragmatic" face from the Taliban, unlike when they first came to power in 1996-2001.
The Taliban themselves seem to have learned from past experience that a pluralistic country like Afghanistan needs reconciliation and inclusivity to end divisions in order to unite and advance itself which is a much tougher task than a military expedition.
Because history proves winning the war is easier than maintaining the victory. Britain, the Soviet Union and the US easily took control of Afghanistan but they could not manage the victory and were eventually forced to leave in a disgraceful manner.

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We are human we cannot wish misfortune to any group of individuals even the Taliban because it is not a correct thought.

We have noticed that after the departure in Afghanistan of the citizens of the United States and Europe, Russia still maintains its embassy.

Russian President Vladimir Putin and Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey through a phone call agreed to strengthen bilateral coordination on Afghan affairs.
Russia's strategy is to control the Taliban.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/putin-erdogan-agree-strengthen-coordination-afghan-issues-kremlin-2021-08-21/

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Quote from: swogerino on August 25, 2021, 12:41:13 PM

I find it funny too how the epidemic itself is being "discriminatory".

I spoke literarily so to say, in a manner of expression anyway.

Quote from: tersek on August 25, 2021, 02:15:26 PM

There are many who really hope for this, hopefully the Taliban will be destroyed by covid

Don't you wish that too? Well, I believe every sensible person would want for the Talibans/terrorists to be wiped off the face of the earth by a pandemic of any type. If COVID can do it, that should be justice well served for peace lovers.

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The Taliban are trying to establish a pure Muslim Shari'a state but in the wrong way, they will never change. political interests remain behind the Taliban

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Quote from: Jet Cash on August 24, 2021, 11:03:43 AM

I'm waiting for the Taliban Covid variant to be announced.

This is part of the reason one would say that even the epidemic itself is discriminatory. It should hit the Talibans and all other terrorist camps too like it's hitting sensible cities.

There are many who really hope for this, hopefully the Taliban will be destroyed by covid

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Quote from: Mpamaegbu on August 25, 2021, 12:30:06 PM

Quote from: Jet Cash on August 24, 2021, 11:03:43 AM

I'm waiting for the Taliban Covid variant to be announced.

This is part of the reason one would say that even the epidemic itself is discriminatory. It should hit the Talibans and all other terrorist camps too like it's hitting sensible cities.

On a conspiratorial note and theory I think that since these global entities like WHO and alike say that they are waiting for another variant to come or for another wave to come to me it comes the doubt that they themselves inflict it to these sensible cities you say and yes I know that a virus does have mutations but not of this caliber that is for sure.I find it funny too how the epidemic itself is being "discriminatory".

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Quote from: Jet Cash on August 24, 2021, 11:03:43 AM

I'm waiting for the Taliban Covid variant to be announced.

This is part of the reason one would say that even the epidemic itself is discriminatory. It should hit the Talibans and all other terrorist camps too like it's hitting sensible cities.

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