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August 25, 2021, 12:28:24 PM
#21
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If you are basing your opinion on BBC and other western media then i have to say that you are totally blind in making any assumption about what is happening in Afghanistan. Just one suggestion, don't believe anything that comes out of the electronic media. Diversify your news receiving sources and then assume something.
About Taliban, i am not with them, i an not against them, i am just happy that a foreign occupational force has left the land of Afghanistan and the people of Afghanistan can now rule their country by themselves. Even if it is Taliban, still then they are the people of Afghanistan. so stop imposing your democracy on other nations please. Thanks

(Note: I am not afghani either)
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August 25, 2021, 11:37:55 AM
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For me what is funny is how US withdrew troops from Afghanistan and also the President in power there is said to have flee with a lot of money together with him and these actions led to the Talibans getting the country and governing the country right now.Guess who's fault is a I do not believe that some "wild people" like the Talibans with a Kalashnikov in their hands to win against the greatest army in the world which is US?

Of course now the Talibans will repress everyone,it is just a matter of time,they are already shooting in the international airport of Kabul and a few lives are already lost there.It is the US fault mostly but even US cannot continue forever to educate a country which does not want to be educated.It is just history repeating itself as always.Can't say nothing except sorry for the people trapped there under the Taliban oppressing regime.
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August 25, 2021, 11:26:02 AM
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UN reports can be wrong because they are saying so they will fulfill their promises they should see if Taliban break any promise than the UN should make a report against them.
If they promise they will do that and stand with the other countries so all should give them a chance to grow.

Consider this hypothetical sequence of events:

1. A man who went on a killing spree with an assault rifle is released from jail.
2. He says 'Please can I have an assault rifle. I promise I won't kill anyone this time'.

Which of the below would you choose as point 3?
3. Refuse to give him the gun, or...
3. Give him the gun, and if he breaks his word and kills people, we'll complain about it afterwards.


This is the problem with taking the Taliban at their word. You can't just make everything right again afterwards.

the U.S mission was not to bring peace to the middle east. it was toprevent middle east terror from invading the U.S
the US went in to the middle east to deal with al-queda. where the U.S only seen the talibans failure as them not extraditing al-queda and not handing osama bin laden to the U.S.
later they found out that osama was actually in pakistan.

so U.S mission was not to do much with afghanistan 'peace process' as a couple years later the U.S moved out its main mission from afghanistan to other middle east countries as their 'war on terror' was needed elsewhere

the US pretty much had no big problems with the taliban. and instead was just using 'taliban' as a mouth piece for media as their reason to spend so much money.

there were ~2350 U.S troop losses .. but yea when a guy with a gun meets another guy with a gun. expect losses.
when you compare troop losses of the U.S to the troop losses of other countries (60,000) the U.S has not had much 'damage' to its defenses.

what america finally realised is that the taliban were not much of a threat. compared to al-queda. the taliban were around way before america invaded and would be around much longer. so america done a deal with the taliban to allow the taliban to take over unrestricted as long as they join the U.S effort to not let al-queda gain ground.
(this is factual details that has been public for over a year. trump signed off on it. its public knowledge)

as for charlee-tims account of the the BBC report on the womans experience of taliban treatment.
taking the report and asserting come calm, composed common sense logic.

media present taliban as extremists that if they just see a woman walking alone they would kill her in the streets..

yet reading her account.
a woman with no bullet proof vest and no chainmail jacket.. walked upto a taliban and got asked why is she alone. and guess what.. she was let through and survived without even a whip or shot(logical conclusion)

as for the 'they fired bullets into the air' well the queue for the airport is hundreds of thousands of people long. if the taliban were to rip off a dozen bullets into the air every time they seen a woman. they'd be out of bullets within the ahour

again she may have felt petrified due to how the past has propagandised things. where she may have heard horrific stories on the news. but her actual experience just a few days ago. was not an experience of actual terrorism or torture. so it seems the taliban have actually softened up compared to the stories portrayed over the last 20 years
(common sense) if the worsed interview they can find is a woman being asked why is she alone... it kinda sends a message that the real experience is not as bad as the one portrayed by headlines and propaganda

im not siding or fanning the taliban. i beleive there needs to be a proper organised election with proper experienced and willing candidates and a formation of a true government that wants peace..
.. but when media shout out terrorism and torture and unsanctioned take overs.... that is not really whats actually happening when you sit back and actually process the real things being said

the U.S agreed to let the taliban take over.
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August 25, 2021, 09:35:50 AM
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Why would they change? They believe their actions are condoned by their god and have just assumed control of their own country. What they're doing seems to be working just fine for them.
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August 25, 2021, 09:30:39 AM
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It's going to be a breeding ground for terrorists, a human farming to be exact.
They are already collecting data of girls and women that could bear a Taliban child. Women are just a child bearing machine for them.
Huge brainwashing. It's a vicious cycle of poverty, oppression and religious extremism. They won't let people learn or interact for the same reason.

Here's a reference video of what a Islamic teaching looks like (sky news)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW_7me1Nj7w
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August 25, 2021, 12:46:31 AM
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The taliban are unlikely to change as they are usually breaking their promises is creating inhumane behavior by creating various inequalities. The taliban bombings and other attacks responsible for civilian casualties have led to a massive increase in civilian casualties with civilian casualties most of which appear to have been deliberately carried out on civilians. They enacted a strict sharia law and then discrimination against them began and the population of hindus and sikhs declined at a very rapid rate the taliban have complicated everything.
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August 24, 2021, 12:23:48 PM
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It is like the Taliban will not most likely fulfill some of their promises not to abuse women right, they are extremist, they suppressed women right when they were in power from 1996 to 2001 to the extent females were not allowed to go to school and also women were barred from public life

Their country's rules, their religion's rules should come as no surprise because they have been taught sharia law since childhood, and this is the law the Taliban wants to enforce. Westerners have taken away Afghan women's customs and traditions, and most Afghan women now dress like Americans, forgetting that they are Muslims.

Women will to go school up to university level but in a separate school from the men

Everybody knows the Taliban wants more weapons, etc. They'll change as soon as they are offered more money for better quality poppies.

The Taliban aren't after money; they have an ideology that includes removing corrupt NATO and American officials from their mining sectors and lands so that they can rule their own people. According to the sources I've read, the Taliban made over $400 million from donations, drug trafficking, mining, and extortion between 2018 and 2019. If the Tliban desired money, they could take control of a $1 billion Afghanistan reserve and left

For the past 20 years, NATO and America have been their main source of cash, robbing from taxpayers to fund the Taliban in the pretense of fighting a war. The Americans only invade nations with oil in the name of democracy, from Afghanistan to Pakistan and Iraq.

I'm waiting for the Taliban Covid variant to be announced.

The Taliban are not corrupt!!!

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August 24, 2021, 11:03:43 AM
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I'm waiting for the Taliban Covid variant to be announced.
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August 24, 2021, 10:44:48 AM
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You cannot expect uncivilized individual with no manners to act like a decent people. They have no mercy and their religion teaches them to kill other religion to please their god. They act like a pig and rape women like no mercy. If I have all the authority I will nuke them all.
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August 24, 2021, 01:19:14 AM
#12
Since it is a terrorist organization that does not respect human rights, it must be untrustworthy. No matter how wonderful their promises are. It will definitely not become a reality
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August 23, 2021, 04:32:23 AM
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Everybody knows the Taliban wants more weapons, etc. They'll change as soon as they are offered more money for better quality poppies.

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But what are they going to do with more weapons? The more weapons and equipment they get, the less the will want to change. Giving money or weapons to the Taliban might keep them friendly for the short term, but long term it won't make a difference. Their idiology is very different from the rest of the world. There will always be tensions.
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August 23, 2021, 01:10:46 AM
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Everybody knows the Taliban wants more weapons, etc. They'll change as soon as they are offered more money for better quality poppies.

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I don't think their aim is to acquire more money. If that was their main purpose for wanting power, they'd just set up a tin-pot dictator and suck up all of the nation's wealth and resources, like we see in so many struggling places around the world. The US alone spent around $2 trillion on the war, or to put it another way about $275 million per day for 20 years. If the Taliban could be bought off, it would have been done long before now, and at much lower financial cost, let alone human cost.
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August 22, 2021, 06:15:27 PM
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Everybody knows the Taliban wants more weapons, etc. They'll change as soon as they are offered more money for better quality poppies.

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August 22, 2021, 10:32:07 AM
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It is almost impossible for the Taliban to change, I live in an area full of Islamic groups so I have a good experience about the nature of their thinking, these Islamic extremists have a rigid mentality and a wrong understanding of Islam and their heads are like rocks that cannot be changed, they may change sometimes to reach their goals but soon They return to their true nature. Thinking about changing these Islamic extremists is like thinking about removing a mountain from its place. This is impossible. Their thinking is limited, their minds are rigid, and their hearts are hard as rock. They have no mercy, so I don't think they have changed and I don't think they will change one day.

Infact another update came in this Sunday morning regarding how Christians there were been told openly with riffles on their heads to renounce Christianity  or they would be executed of which they later killed everyone of them brutally
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August 21, 2021, 11:11:56 PM
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It is almost impossible for the Taliban to change, I live in an area full of Islamic groups so I have a good experience about the nature of their thinking, these Islamic extremists have a rigid mentality and a wrong understanding of Islam and their heads are like rocks that cannot be changed, they may change sometimes to reach their goals but soon They return to their true nature. Thinking about changing these Islamic extremists is like thinking about removing a mountain from its place. This is impossible. Their thinking is limited, their minds are rigid, and their hearts are hard as rock. They have no mercy, so I don't think they have changed and I don't think they will change one day.

I agree with you there are some reasons why they use them as their own and again they do everything they can to reach their goal. There is some complexity here. Since the Taliban has not yet announced a new government we will have to wait and see what action it takes in the future. It seems to me that the way they will form the government and the state system will be very different from the current world system so Taliban rule is very difficult to give a full opinion before forming a new government.
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August 21, 2021, 10:22:35 PM
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It is almost impossible for the Taliban to change, I live in an area full of Islamic groups so I have a good experience about the nature of their thinking, these Islamic extremists have a rigid mentality and a wrong understanding of Islam and their heads are like rocks that cannot be changed, they may change sometimes to reach their goals but soon They return to their true nature. Thinking about changing these Islamic extremists is like thinking about removing a mountain from its place. This is impossible. Their thinking is limited, their minds are rigid, and their hearts are hard as rock. They have no mercy, so I don't think they have changed and I don't think they will change one day.
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August 21, 2021, 09:24:41 PM
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Don't think what they were, think that what they will do?
If they do well so appreciate them. If they do wrong than you have right to expose them.


Expose them and what? let karma do the talking? or are you willing travel back in time to right things before it happens?

In our world, there's no second chances. You must pick between choices before its too late. You can't just gamble everything and believe what will happen is what you want it to be.
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August 21, 2021, 12:51:16 PM
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UN reports can be wrong because they are saying so they will fulfill their promises they should see if Taliban break any promise than the UN should make a report against them.
If they promise they will do that and stand with the other countries so all should give them a chance to grow.

Consider this hypothetical sequence of events:

1. A man who went on a killing spree with an assault rifle is released from jail.
2. He says 'Please can I have an assault rifle. I promise I won't kill anyone this time'.

Which of the below would you choose as point 3?
3. Refuse to give him the gun, or...
3. Give him the gun, and if he breaks his word and kills people, we'll complain about it afterwards.


This is the problem with taking the Taliban at their word. You can't just make everything right again afterwards.
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August 20, 2021, 03:53:46 AM
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Taliban already broken some of their promises which is they said people no need to worry and run away from the country because theybsaid peace has been returned but still they are killing people who are raising their voice or for carrying the actual Afghanistan flag. But there are some changes in the approach of Taliban as well because they are giving press conference without covering their fwce which never happened I guess.

But clearly they said, there will be no democracy rule in their land they will rule based on Sharia law.
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August 20, 2021, 01:35:19 AM
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they suppressed women right when they were in power from 1996 to 2001 to the extent females were not allowed to go to school and also women were barred from public life.

I don't know why you are just showing the one face of the Taliban which they were in the past. You must read this also.
 
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Girls wearing white hijabs and black tunics are streaming into classrooms in the western Afghan city of Herat just days after the Taliban’s takeover.
Full article is here.
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/8/18/afghan-girls-return-to-school-in-herat-after-taliban-takeover

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The Taliban have insisted that they have forgiven all that fought against them — including government officials, the police and the armed forces.
UN reports can be wrong because they are saying so they will fulfill their promises they should see if Taliban break any promise than the UN should make a report against them.
If they promise they will do that and stand with the other countries so all should give them a chance to grow.

Don't think what they were, think that what they will do?
If they do well so appreciate them. If they do wrong than you have right to expose them.

Full article: https://www.dawn.com/news/1641583
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