Topic: TalkImg.com - Image hosting for BitcoinTalk - page 52. (Read 20808 times)

Well, because it's popular, been online since years and is not managed by a single individual, this is what I meant by single point of failure. joker_josue manages TalkImg, what about site if something happens to him?

 


Because people are crafty and like to build things.  


I don't think you understand. The original post was specifically addressing the use of image hosting services for the Bitcointalk. Although Imgur is a well-known image hosting platform, it still entails relying on a single point of failure. How can you ensure the longevity of your images on their service?

Ultimately, the choice of image hosting service is up to the individual, but I wanted to provide some context.

Logically, for that to happen, there has to be a violation of copyright. And believe that 90% of the cases, the images do not violate copyright.

The main scenarios in which this can happen are:
- Photos taken by someone, and other people use as their own. But, the person had to prove that they had taken that photo, and that it had never been posted in any public place on the internet.
- A brand does not authorize its logo to be on a certain website. Imagine that Apple sends an email saying they don't want their logo on TalkImg, so I'll have to remove it.

Now what is the probability of that happening? Low, but it can happen. But, it's unlikely. If it happens, I logically have to take action.
Therefore, it is not enough for someone to post an image similar to another one here in the forum, which will see it removed. The image must be protected by copyright.

Protected by copyright, the image/brand/holder must be registered with the patent authorities in the country. If it weren't like that, anyone would say that an image was yours. Owning the rights to an image involves more than simply saying the image is yours. It's yours if you register it, something that involves money and time.

I don't think Mods will delete posts because of images used, unless the image itself breaks the rules. Copyright isn't even a reason, since the forum doesn't host the images.

The second uploader may not have known someone else uploaded the same image, and he'll have broken images in his post.

If you detected any inappropriate content, you can communicate with me to provide this information. In addition, all uploaded images are reviewed daily.

While NSFW images may not be allowed, it would probably be good to have a mechanism in place to report abuse or inappropriate content. Even with rules in place, there is always a chance that someone may try to circumvent them and post something that should not be there.

You're right, I didn't say that this kind of analysis is impossible. But you have to consider two points:
- This requires some resources, which for this type of site are unnecessary.
- The site does not have a gallery system, so the user can not use images already loaded (although it is possible). That is, imagine that you want to upload the Bitcoin logo. But, someone did it before you. If he does that level of control, you wouldn't be able to upload. So you were left without the ability to use the service. It didn't make sense, don't you think?




Not exactly! I will always know which was the first image to be loaded. Unless both images are loaded at the same time.
Also, don't forget the following: the images uploaded to the site are intended for use in the forum. When you put that image here on the forum, anyone can take that link and reuse it in another post. If that happens, you must speak to moderation to have this post removed.
But imagine, that someone makes a copy of your image, loads it again on the site and then uses it here on the forum. So, if you contact me to indicate this situation, I know which of the two images was uploaded first, and I can delete the second one.

Programs such as FreeCommander create a checksum of the image so it doesn't matter what it's been renamed to (from recollection it can identify if an image has been resized).  Bing.com search will find the same image - even when text etc has been added.  I think duckduckgo.com and google.com do as well but I don't use either much.  Have a search online for duplicate file detection.  Regardless of filename, an uploaded file can be cross checked by file size even prior to a checksum being taken in a matter of seconds.


What I was meaning was if multiple copies are uploaded, then the original uploader (as well as anyone that follows) looses their ability to delete an image.  (then again a user could just reupload all files as their own to lock images on the site)

Just a suggestion, thanks for reading.  

Thank you for sharing your concerns.

Regarding the accounts, the service is only to be used in the forum. So, having the possibility of registration open to the public no longer makes sense, as the service is only useful for those who are users of the forum. In this sense, all users who want to have an account on the site can contact me to register.

In the case of deleting images, the basic idea is one: that the images posted on the forum never disappear again in the future. I think we are all tired of seeing posts where images are missing. So if someone changes their mind after uploading the image, they can simply re-upload a new image. And if you really want that image to be deleted from the server, you can always contact me. But you will need to ensure that the image is not posted.

Those who have an account can manage their images and delete whatever they want. That's why I will always do some evaluation to the account request, to try to minimize as much as possible the possibility of an image being posted and later being deleted.

It's always a thing of great interest and one that definitely comes with some pleasure to note that users are really up and doing on trying to better the forum through these affiliate sites. One thing though, I'll suggest and feel more comfortable if, the site gives its users much free hand and privacy that the forum offers. On that, I've got a few concerns of my own since I haven't seen anyone make much interest even as I scanned through few pages and posts.

* Account on request. Literally or it means something else because, notary would want to file in a request.
* Deletion of image only by that exception? So, one can't have an after thought and change there mind... it seems too much not to have to have an after thought.

It is irrelevant to check this option or not. By the way, I will remove it in a next update. NSFW images are not allowed, so this option is of no use.

Hi joker_josue. just checked the site and loved your work. Its easy to use and the best part is after you upload the picture you get the BBcode which I can simply paste here and get things done. Just a small query there is option before we upload the image Not family safe upload, we can upload the image with or without checking that box. Can you just guide whats this option is about and when to check that box. Thanks for providing an innovative solution. Thanks a bunch.

I don't expect many people to upload the exact same image, although it could happen when someone lost the link to his image. If you want to detect them, a checksum for each image would be best. It can easily be circumvented by changing a pixel, but that doesn't matter anyway.
I don't think the first uploader should be able to delete the file from later uploaders, and later uploaders (this part is very easy to do) shouldn't get a say on the original uploader's image. If I'd have to deal with this, I'd use a checksum and hard link all duplicates. That doesn't consume additional disk space, and each user can still delete their own entry if needed.

It is probably possible for him to configure the proxy for several cases, instead of just one. I don't know, it wouldn't be a priority either, at this moment.




I can do that, but the check is always based on the name. So it's hard to say that name is really from the same image.

Imagine that you have the file "2023.jpg" and another user has another image with the same name. For the system, they were the same images, when in reality they are not.

In turn, the system will rename all files, which will prevent the image from being deleted by someone else who does not have the specific link to the image.

I just had a file paused at 39% upload and then seemed to hang.  Eventually I reloaded the website and reuploaded which got me thing of duplicate file checking at upload.

My suggestion would be if a duplicate image were uploaded e.g. this one,



then the first uploader is provided the delete key, but the second, third etc uploaders only get shown the codes that are shown on e.g. this page: https://www.talkimg.com/image/aDCN

Then again if multiple uploaders have uploaded the *exact* same file, then perhaps a file is automatically prevented from being deleted?

In any event, duplicate file checking would reduce file storage sizes.

It kinda does already:


Agreed, but not on this part: some website are temporarily unavailable, and those images should load again once they're back online.

This would be easier if implemented in ip.bitcointalk, as it automatically replaces images that can no longer be loaded by others. I wouldn't say the date, but I would say that it had been deleted.
I really have to try to talk to theymos.

This made me think of another suggestion: if an image is scheduled for deletion, can you add that as text in a corner of the image? It may prevent others from quoting it.
After deleting an image, can you replace it with an image showing "This image was deleted from TalkImg.com on May 4, 2023"? That might look messy for images with different height/width tags though.

Send a PM to talk.
Those who have an account will be able to use an API that will allow them to be used in apps. But, I am still working in that field.




As I mentioned earlier, the goal is for images not to be erased. At the time of creation a link is generated, if used the image is deleted, if not used the image will remain.
One of the goals of creating this project was the fact that there were many images on the forum that no longer appeared. That's annoying.




Every help counts! Thanks. Only this management, only made me want to continue. 




Answering in order of the indicated points:
> To ensure the longevity of the project, the ideal is to keep everything on the same server. Because, if something goes wrong, it will be easier to request that the address of the images be edited via BD. But, as I explained before, and based on my knowledge, I can handle 30GB (I say this value because I work on a project that has that in images) without problems. This equates to thousands of images. I would be very happy if we get there.
> The site works on http and httpS. The ideal is to always work on httpS. But, if someone in the link just writes http, everything should work normally.
> No! You have to upload the image. This allows you to prevent abuse of copyrighted images. In turn, all images uploaded to TalkImg can only be used here on the forum.
> I apologize for this issue. I had configured it to only be able to load one image at a time, this helps to reduce spam. By mistake, a configuration element failed that caused this situation. I think it's already resolved. Thanks for the alert.
> Thanks for the QR tip, because this is an image site.  I'll deal with that in the next few days.
> I'm still studying the possibility of using API, maybe soon.
> The server already automatically takes regular backups. I'm still studying extra forms of backups so that everything can be resumed from where it left off. I hope to have news in a few weeks.
> I have no intention of using FTP.




I'm looking into the possibility of providing an API to make this possible for users who have an account.
Anyone who wants to account, please contact me, so I can assess the situation. (I do not guarantee that all applications will be accepted.)

Hope to get in touch with @theymos in the next few days.

Is there any option to use third party tool software with TalkImg.com website and what parameters should we enter for this to work (server, port, etc)?

One suggestion:
Maybe you can talk with theymos to give you free advertisement boost as unofficial image uploader for bitcointalk forum.