Topic: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network - page 86. (Read 309762 times)
I remember there is a 15% reward program if not moving the tokens since a cutoff day? what is the cutoff day and will the tokens stored in Omni be qualified for that reward?
Maybe the only thing we missing here is updates on the road map and news about new professionals joining the team (huge stress relife factor btw), it's more about the right way rather than short way.
indeed i look for the fastest way to "stop being alone". and that's why we need a paper (otherwise how can experts read and know what it's about? we tried the naive way already and unsurprisingly i can't get them enthusiast in a short email), and the alpha which will make the rest of the dev collaborative (sorry for repeating it so many times)
that's exactly what i work on right now. to write down the new design in a language understood to the wide public (except few isolated technical sections)
Will coding start after the new design/paper is presented or is it being done simultaneously? 
i planned it to come after, but in practice i do work on both. fortunately the first alpha need not be perfect (unlike the final tau). and i truely apologize for the time it takes. people close to me can see the daily progress, but i understand the feeling of waiting so long and not seeing much yet. obviously this will change, and the time and stress i'm into now will eventually seen to be more than justified. choosing the too short way right now would be to releave stress from myself but for high prices, e.g. in the price of chances of adoption (regarding the paper taking long in order to fit large audience), which affects the expected future revenue and success of the network and also the future tau development over the alphas.
No need to apologize, Ohad! I was just missing that one little detail in relation to the new design...
Yes, no rush. I personally very appreciate what you are doing and I believe most of the community does as swell (except maybe few short term junkies
) I believe that your hard and stressful work will for sure bear the fruits, it always does... Maybe the only thing we missing here is updates on the road map and news about new professionals joining the team (huge stress relife factor btw), it's more about the right way rather than short way.
that's exactly what i work on right now. to write down the new design in a language understood to the wide public (except few isolated technical sections)
Will coding start after the new design/paper is presented or is it being done simultaneously?
i planned it to come after, but in practice i do work on both. fortunately the first alpha need not be perfect (unlike the final tau). and i truely apologize for the time it takes. people close to me can see the daily progress, but i understand the feeling of waiting so long and not seeing much yet. obviously this will change, and the time and stress i'm into now will eventually seen to be more than justified. choosing the too short way right now would be to releave stress from myself but for high prices, e.g. in the price of chances of adoption (regarding the paper taking long in order to fit large audience), which affects the expected future revenue and success of the network and also the future tau development over the alphas.
Ohad my friend don't take this in the wrong way but Tau is all except for the masses.....this is the most heavy deep discussion in this forum with tens of pages of philosophical information....your masses need a web site and new thread with simple explanations and use cases that are clear to the average joe
that all regards the old tau. the new tau was barely revealed yet
And when can you assume we will have a chance to be revealed to it??
that's exactly what i work on right now. to write down the new design in a language understood to the wide public (except few isolated technical sections)
Ohad my friend don't take this in the wrong way but Tau is all except for the masses.....this is the most heavy deep discussion in this forum with tens of pages of philosophical information....your masses need a web site and new thread with simple explanations and use cases that are clear to the average joe
that all regards the old tau. the new tau was barely revealed yet
And when can you assume we will have a chance to be revealed to it??
Ohad my friend don't take this in the wrong way but Tau is all except for the masses.....this is the most heavy deep discussion in this forum with tens of pages of philosophical information....your masses need a web site and new thread with simple explanations and use cases that are clear to the average joe
that all regards the old tau. the new tau was barely revealed yet
you're absolutly right, and those topics were not forgotten, but planned for after the first alpha (initially they were planned to come between tau and agoras). the rationale is to come to the public in large scale after we have a lot in hand. that's always better than coming with little and afterwards coming with the big thing. however i needed to begin with some initial funding, and as you can see, most if not all the buyers are people who understand things, otherwise they wouldn't invest, as one cannot yet see the benefits of this project without going a little deep. that's also "by design".
ofc i'll be glad for further suggestions
ofc i'll be glad for further suggestions
Coming with a lot in hand definitely make sense. And I see now that it's easier to explain to masses the Agoras vision. Tau can bee seen as foundation on which Agaros ( or other progects) can be build. You can't explain the Agoras without tau and tau itself very hard to explain to non tech people without adding the Agoras sense to it.
How close we are to first alpha?
The participation of the community will be needed for building the tau after the alphas finished?
on the new materials it'll be seen that (the new) tau is for the masses as well.
i dont know to estimate times. every time i try, i fail. but the first alpha doesn't need to begin perfect, it can contain bugs or be partial and be improved with time, because it'll be centralized. yet it'll bootstrap as collaborative process, not only among humans, but for the first time, humans and machines together. i could write the final tau myself as was initially planned, but it'll be better to get help from others, without discriminating machine and human intelligence.
Ohad my friend don't take this in the wrong way but Tau is all except for the masses.....this is the most heavy deep discussion in this forum with tens of pages of philosophical information....your masses need a web site and new thread with simple explanations and use cases that are clear to the average joe
you're absolutly right, and those topics were not forgotten, but planned for after the first alpha (initially they were planned to come between tau and agoras). the rationale is to come to the public in large scale after we have a lot in hand. that's always better than coming with little and afterwards coming with the big thing. however i needed to begin with some initial funding, and as you can see, most if not all the buyers are people who understand things, otherwise they wouldn't invest, as one cannot yet see the benefits of this project without going a little deep. that's also "by design".
ofc i'll be glad for further suggestions
ofc i'll be glad for further suggestions
Coming with a lot in hand definitely make sense. And I see now that it's easier to explain to masses the Agoras vision. Tau can bee seen as foundation on which Agaros ( or other progects) can be build. You can't explain the Agoras without tau and tau itself very hard to explain to non tech people without adding the Agoras sense to it.
How close we are to first alpha?
The participation of the community will be needed for building the tau after the alphas finished?
on the new materials it'll be seen that (the new) tau is for the masses as well.
i dont know to estimate times. every time i try, i fail. but the first alpha doesn't need to begin perfect, it can contain bugs or be partial and be improved with time, because it'll be centralized. yet it'll bootstrap as collaborative process, not only among humans, but for the first time, humans and machines together. i could write the final tau myself as was initially planned, but it'll be better to get help from others, without discriminating machine and human intelligence.
you're absolutly right, and those topics were not forgotten, but planned for after the first alpha (initially they were planned to come between tau and agoras). the rationale is to come to the public in large scale after we have a lot in hand. that's always better than coming with little and afterwards coming with the big thing. however i needed to begin with some initial funding, and as you can see, most if not all the buyers are people who understand things, otherwise they wouldn't invest, as one cannot yet see the benefits of this project without going a little deep. that's also "by design".
ofc i'll be glad for further suggestions
ofc i'll be glad for further suggestions
Coming with a lot in hand definitely make sense. And I see now that it's easier to explain to masses the Agoras vision. Tau can bee seen as foundation on which Agaros ( or other progects) can be build. You can't explain the Agoras without tau and tau itself very hard to explain to non tech people without adding the Agoras sense to it.
How close we are to first alpha?
The participation of the community will be needed for building the tau after the alphas finished?
The important thing to think when marketing this is: THINK GLOBAL. Not just crypto market. You have to be thinking Disney / Google sized scope when coming at this. We want the world the adopt this, not just the crypto community.
We must think BIGGER! Include everyone on this planet.
We must think BIGGER! Include everyone on this planet.
i completely agree, and that's why the materials i'm preparing now are intended for any thinking reader, not only techies. ofc this makes the writing much harder. but not x100 harder, as the audience size grows
the materials that i'm working on now will present a timeline ofc.
Reading this^ while looking at the current state of the Crypto Market makes me very anxious to see what we'll be dealing with by the time everything is said and done. A lot of folks might end up scratching their head with Tau-Chain & Agoras. I'm also very curious to see whether the project will remain under the radar as we progress or not. Nothing surprises me in Cryptoland anymore. More for us, I guess?!
imo tau has a potential to redirect the whole Crypto Market to a new direction if represented right.
the choice of right marketing strategy is very important here. All market trends should be carefully researched before the decision on branding is made. Right representation of technology is as important as the technology it self.
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TAUCHAIN - the power of AI to everyone altogether (and by everyone altogether), rather to be held by centralized entities
Very powerful heading imo.
If the rest of the story will be told right, it will be very remarkable and spread fast in crypto land
i agree on the critical-ness of the explanation, and that's exactly what takes me so much time and energy nowadays.
here is some short recent explanation:
the first alpha is an intelligent platform for creating, sharing, and processing knowledge.
the second alpha is an intelligent platform for creating, sharing, and processing processes.
the third alpha is an intelligent platform for creating, sharing, and processing itself.
tauchain will be the decentralized construct we'll build using the self-defining alpha.
two major differences between knowledge and processes: processes(=programs), we can execute, and we want to reason also over their behavior once executed. but tau is a program, so in order to self-define itself, it must support programs.
The important thing to think when marketing this is: THINK GLOBAL. Not just crypto market. You have to be thinking Disney / Google sized scope when coming at this. We want the world the adopt this, not just the crypto community.
We must think BIGGER! Include everyone on this planet.
There are always some kind of risks whenever and wherever we invest but I have feeling that at current price it is not bad to make some investment for long term. This project has potential and strength to make some difference among all running ones.
allow me to agree. the cap is relatively ridiculus..
There are always some kind of risks whenever and wherever we invest but I have feeling that at current price it is not bad to make some investment for long term. This project has potential and strength to make some difference among all running ones.
you're absolutly right, and those topics were not forgotten, but planned for after the first alpha (initially they were planned to come between tau and agoras). the rationale is to come to the public in large scale after we have a lot in hand. that's always better than coming with little and afterwards coming with the big thing. however i needed to begin with some initial funding, and as you can see, most if not all the buyers are people who understand things, otherwise they wouldn't invest, as one cannot yet see the benefits of this project without going a little deep. that's also "by design".
ofc i'll be glad for further suggestions
ofc i'll be glad for further suggestions
good points, i'll just add that many of them are under agoras rather tau. for agoras' vision see this interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFmaX-oumNw
Yes, I sow this video before. Watched it again but from a different angle now ). Thank you
On the other hand, all I am trying to say here Ohad, is that even if you have the best technology in the world it's not enough. Since there is almost no news coming out about this project the only thing we know that there is a very brilliant tech guy with breaking the rules ideas working on it, I personally have faith in this project. I am certainly more than happy with the tech department, but what about business? finance? PR? marketing? user experience? community building? The best technology in the world will be invisible without those must have departments. I just came across this video today: https://youtu.be/xIUQB3oUCM4
These guy's talking about privacy coins but it relevant for any project in my opinion. Maybe it is something that you 100% aware of, things going on in the background like icocountdown said and you have plans but imo the community should know about this plans, we need some road map or at least the date the road map will be revealed
What is exactly happening in 11 days? (Followed icocountdown link and noticed Agoras countdown...)
Alex is a good friend of mine, helping here and there. the countdown on his website is for the next monthly price increase
What is exactly happening in 11 days? (Followed icocountdown link and noticed Agoras countdown...)
That sounds great if will be framed in a current worldview of potential investors. Worldview is a term I use here to determine a set of values, biases and pain points in a heads of people who encounter a new crypto project. How the values tau brings to the table can support those worldviews, give a better solution, solve the pain?
Examples of some possible worldviews of investors in crypto community:
1. Governments and corporations control everything
2. AI will replace men in most of fields
3. Bitcoin is not private enough
4. Privacy is on high demand now day's
5. Bitcoin decentralization can be affected by centralization of miners
6. Decentralized smart contracts can eliminate the need to involve a trusted third party in projects
7. Etherium is the best and fastest growing smart contracts environment today
8. Technology still vulnerable to hackers attacks
9. TheDAO fiasco can happen again.
Those are just an examples, and might not reflect the real target audience worldviews, a deeper research needed here.
good points, i'll just add that many of them are under agoras rather tau. for agoras' vision see this interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFmaX-oumNw
What exactly the self-amending nature of tau can drastically improve ?
How other project can be implemented on tau and what are the advantages?
How other project can be implemented on tau and what are the advantages?
there is no such a beast yet. a decentralized self amending program to a "general purpose" extent (means with "high" expressiveness)
Will network will be more secure than today's alternatives?
yes, because security can be mathematically proven over tau. that's one of the great rationale in combining logic with security and program verification
Can privacy coins technologies (like cryptonote and z-cash) be implemented on tau?
of course. [almost] any algorithmThere are things going on in the background. I do not want to divulge currently because there is some serious people working on the development but we are making some nice progress and getting others involved.
ICOcountdown.com are you part of team?
good points, i'll just add that many of them are under agoras rather tau. for agoras' vision see this interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFmaX-oumNw
Yes, I sow this video before. Watched it again but from a different angle now ). Thank you
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