Author

Topic: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again - page 2. (Read 6688 times)

joeventura

hero member

Activity: 854

Merit: 500

Just got a PM from a Marto customer (I won't reveal name unless he says its ok) who said that Marto had his money for almost 9 months and refused to refund it until he removed the negative feedback.

1. He is blackmailing his customers so they can get a refund
2. He is refunding 9 month old purchases which is definitive proof that he took money and providing nothing in return and now in an effort to try and recover some credibility he is trying to refund a few people but won't do it unless they agree to remove the truth.

Just very sad.

Bicknellski

hero member

Activity: 924

Merit: 1000

Running through the list for just two threads there are a number people we hope to contact who may still be owed refunds or miners. PM me if you see your name on the list below if you want to be added. We are trying to get a more accurate number of people who either need restitution or have been burned by Marto74 and Technobit.

Quote from: Bicknellski on June 11, 2014, 03:36:19 AM

Clearly there are a lot of people who have had issues with Technobit and Marto74.

This thread is for those who would like to post their complaints so that everyone in the community can see what has transpired without the needless trash and troll or deletion of other threads. This is a safe place to post your complaints and concerns.

---------

Updated List of Injured Parties

[Group Buy] Avalon chips Escrow John K May 27, 2013, 18:09:59

darkfriend77: Requested 7% fees to be returned as well as refund for chips. Refuses to pay anything of what he promised out of spite.
dimomit: Unkown.
Min€r: Unkown.
patica: Unkown.
hacko.bg: Unkown.
mbd4: Unkown.
fex: Unkown.
joeventura: Requested 7% fees to be returned as well as refund for chips. Refuses to pay anything of what he promised out of spite.
souspeed: Unkown.
varunsin: Unkown.
pajak666: Requested 7% fees to be returned. Still no resolution.
Betatester: Unkown.
LainZ: Unkown.
hookthem: Unkown.
jkminkov: Unkown.

TECHNOBIT S-HASH minig board and Bitfury October delivery chip distribution

adami: Unkown.
gcube1305: Unkown.
oscurito23: Unkown.
wallydz: Unkown.
warhawk187: Unkown.
vulgartrendkill: Unkown.
easynote: Late delivery after many complaints.
jammertr: Unkown.
basd82: Unkown.
whiteEAGLE: Unkown.
ccfly: Unkown.
streetuff: Unkown.
seaandy: Refunded only after repeated hounding and posting in threads. Waited inordinately long for the refund.
falinka: Unkown.
wuzamarine: Poorly Hashing Unit. Unkown.
lancelot6: Failed Unit. Replacement requested. Unkown.
Moikka2: Unkown.
dplusf: Unkown.
cannachris: Unkown.
hennessy10009: No refund even though it was requested. Sent completed board with others chips. Had to pester them daily on there forum.
btcminer84: Still owed for miners. No refund. No miners.
Paratech: Still nothing delivered. No information and just empty promises.

Bicknellski

hero member

Activity: 924

Merit: 1000

Let us continue with what happens if you are very polite and patient for months waiting and waiting on Technobit and Marto74. How does one get treated? Do you get apologies and support? This customer was for months patient polite and gave Technobit every opportunity to rectify the situation properly but in the end it required aggressive and unrelenting badgering of Marto74 to get a resolution as a last resort.

The amount time and money that was wasted without any compensation is simply unacceptable. You do not have to buy from someone like this anymore so please everyone in the bitcoin community DO NOT BUY from TECHNOBIT.

Unfortunately he stumbled on Marto74's threads before all of the shit hit the fan in July 11, 2013, but soon there was plenty of evidence from the group buy to foreshadow what was going to happen here.

#156 July 11, 2013, 14:53:52

Code:

southerngentuk

Re: TechnoBit Eastern Europe, BG Klondike assembly/Плaтки имoнтaж нa Aвaлoн чип

Marto, I have only just stumbled on this thread  Shocked, Am quite Impressed. 
Will you be excepting chips from other group buys ? Obviously we would be at 
the back of the line.

Orders starts August 05, 2013.

#245 August 05, 2013, 14:36:25

Code:

southerngentuk
	
Re: TechnoBit Eastern Europe, BG Klondike assembly/Плaтки имoнтaж нa Aвaлoн чип

Just order 2 HEX16. First board with full chip & second board with only 
4 chip  Wink

I was wondering if you should put in a comments box on the order 
page for this. If you are intending to part populate boards?

Request for better book keeping so that you can see clearly what the GB chip dates are.

#299 August 17, 2013, 15:15:53

Code:

southerngentuk

Re: TechnoBit Eastern Europe, BG Klondike assembly/Плaтки имoнтaж нa Aвaлoн чип

Be nice to have the batches in date order in their own thread so we can quickly see 
whats delivered and who should be next. I Would do it but, am too lazy    Grin

Technical questions begin

#480 October 17, 2013, 10:46:43

Code:

southerngentuk
	
Re: TechnoBit Eastern Europe, BG HEX16A 7 GH/s/Плaтки имoнтaж нa Aвaлoн чип

Is it chained? I see 6 usb cable there.

I would love more info on what is required for the chaining so I can order the 
required connectors. Also a short guide on recompiling cgminer on minepeon 
for the hex's would be awesome, am sh*t with linux.

Marto promises "Do not wory" October 25, 2013

#519 October 25, 2013, 16:28:17

Code:

southerngentuk
	
Re: TechnoBit Eastern Europe, BG HEX16A 7 GH/s/Плaтки имoнтaж нa Aвaлoн чип

Quote from: marto74 on October 25, 2013, 16:22:18

Do not wory there are 100 + late HEX16B assembly orders for the beginning of next week

Quote from: southerngentuk  October 25, 2013, 16:28:17 

Good (depending on ones perspective) I haven't missed the boat yet.

Thanx for the prompt reply.

Prophetic remark "I really hope this problem is resolved before..." October 30, 2013

#559 October 30, 2013, 19:57:29

Code:

southerngentuk
	
Re: TechnoBit Eastern Europe, BG HEX16A 7 GH/s/Плaтки имoнтaж нa Aвaлoн чип

I really hope this problem is resolved before it gets to my order, 
you guys patients most be at there end.

Martin any news on my chips being delivered, tracking stopped 
when they left the US, I am hoping its just a Bulgarian thing 
and you have them safe.

December 05, 2013 polite request for updates

#673 December 05, 2013, 03:42:52

Code:

southerngentuk 
	
Re: TechnoBit Eastern Europe, BG HEX16A 7 GH/s/Плaтки имoнтaж нa Aвaлoн чип

AYUUFRQBR    2013-10-17    
DKRCWFOLN    2013-09-20

Please can I have an update on my orders, and confirmation you have received my 
change of address.

No responses from your support.

"ALL outstanding Hex16a to be shipped in next few days" - Marto74 on December 05, 2013

#678 December 05, 2013, 15:55:51

Code:

southerngentuk

Re: TechnoBit Eastern Europe, BG HEX16A 7 GH/s/Плaтки имoнтaж нa Aвaлoн чип

Reply with quote  
Quote from: marto74 on December 05, 2013, 04:57:24

Received

ALL outstanding Hex16a to be shipped in next few days

Quote from: southerngentuk on December 05, 2013, 15:55:51

Many Thanx  Grin

"Hoping these are shipped now?" - SoutherngentUK December 16, 2013, 12:09:32

#694 December 16, 2013, 12:09:32

Code:

southerngentuk

Re: TechnoBit Eastern Europe, BG HEX16A 7 GH/s/Плaтки имoнтaж нa Aвaлoн чип

Quote from: marto74 on December 05, 2013, 04:57:24

ALL outstanding Hex16a to be shipped in next few days

Quote from: southerngentuk December 16, 2013, 12:09:32 

Hoping these are shipped now? status on my orders is unchanged.

Maybe the new customer support guy could give us updates here on 
progress to save individual emails and time.

Southerngentuk has been waiting for 4 x Hex16A boards since 2013-09-20

#707 December 17, 2013, 07:39:50

Code:

southerngentuk
	
Re: TechnoBit Eastern Europe, BG HEX16A 7 GH/s/Плaтки имoнтaж нa Aвaлoн чип

Quote from: jammertr on December 17, 2013, 02:04:38

I'm sorry to say that I'm glad that I'm not alone.

I'm waiting for 6 Hex16A boards since 2013-09-20
cybex  for 8x Hex16A boards since 2013-09-20
varunsin  for 7 Hex16A boards since 2013-09-30

please feel free to add to this list or update status of your orders, 
at least we can see if they are shipping or not wish someone was 
giving some feedback on the status or orders other than vague 
shipping dates.

Quote from: southerngentuk on December 17, 2013, 07:39:50

southerngentuk for 4 Hex16A boards since 2013-09-20

I understand that it is difficult doing a board run when chip arrivals are fragmented. 
Therefore I have been patient. However looking at the dates we are all in the same period, 
have we been somewhat overlooked.  Shocked I know this is now an obsolete product, 
however we need a resolution.

Still no tracking numbers December 23, 2013

#722 December 23, 2013, 16:20:31

Code:

southerngentuk

Re: TechnoBit Eastern Europe, BG HEX16A 7 GH/s/Плaтки имoнтaж нa Aвaлoн чип

Quote from: adib on December 22, 2013, 17:50:13

"10x for the help 
with summing this
All will be out until tommorow"

Have any of you guys mentioned above got any tracking numbers?

Quote from: southerngentuk December 23, 2013, 16:20:31

Nope.

Mild protest and reason why he won't buy more from Technobit in a polite respectful tone on December 29, 2013.

#730 December 29, 2013, 09:57:24

Code:

southerngentuk

Re: TechnoBit Eastern Europe, BG HEX16A 7 GH/s/Плaтки имoнтaж нa Aвaлoн чип

Am sorry to say that I have wished to purchase other products on offer over the 
past few months however with an outstanding order I refuse to do so.
I had a lot of faith here and pointed at least 3 others to technobit to get chips 
mounted.

I hope other products aren't effected in this manner.

I shall not purchase any products here in the future that are not off the shelf. 

Sorry

Understanding and polite suggestions for better handling of the situation on December 31, 2013.

#737 December 31, 2013, 14:48:11

Code:

southerngentuk
	
Re: TechnoBit Eastern Europe, BG HEX16A 7 GH/s/Плaтки имoнтaж нa Aвaлoн чип

I completely understand the logistics is a nightmare.

A simple cut-off point would be good for the future. 
xxxx more boards required before assembly run would 
give customers an idea of where they stand, or some 
indication of what batch there in with an estimate of 
when the batch will hit production.

Just food for thought, 

Happy New Year

More technical questions being asked. Still polite and supportive of Technobit and Marto74.

#739 December 31, 2013, 17:33:43

Code:

southerngentuk

Re: TechnoBit Eastern Europe, BG HEX16A 7 GH/s/Плaтки имoнтaж нa Aвaлoн чип 

Marto, will the current patch for CGMiner work with 3.9 or 
will you be releasing a new patch shortly.

Also can we expect our order status on the website to 
be updated when are units ship, is it worth us checking it..

Regards

SoutherngentUK has waited another month for Technobit. Polite reminder on January 14, 2014.

#761 January 14, 2014, 13:24:33

Code:

southerngentuk

Re: TechnoBit Eastern Europe, BG HEX16A 7 GH/s/Плaтки имoнтaж нa Aвaлoн чип

Quote from: jammertr on December 17, 2013, 16:25:19

Update:

I'm waiting for 6 Hex16A boards since 2013-09-20
cybex  for 8x Hex16A boards since 2013-09-20
varunsin  for 7 Hex16A boards since 2013-09-30
GG9000  for .. HEX 16A board/boards - couldn't decide if you ordered 7 boards or just 1
eabedry for 11 HEX16A boards  status : shipped almost two months ago 
cvaky  for 6 Hex16A boards Ordered: 2013-11-12 (COMPLETED)
southerngentuk for 4 Hex16A boards since 2013-09-20

thats 43 boards or 49 boards depending how you count GG9000s order

Quote from: marto74 on December 17, 2013, 16:51:07

10x for the help 
with summing this
All will be out until tommorow 

Quote from: southerngentuk on January 14, 2014, 13:22:29

Almost a month latter  Shocked

Still restrained but questioning why Marto is ignoring those with outstanding orders on January 18, 2014.

#768 January 18, 2014, 03:18:36

Code:

southerngentuk
	
Re: TechnoBit Eastern Europe, BG HEX16A 7 GH/s/Плaтки имoнтaж нa Aвaлoн чип

Quote from: arrowfr on January 18, 2014, 00:37:13

@marto74

i have buy on ebay a hex16a but it's not work !!!
Is possible to flash the Firmware?

Thanks

Quote from: marto74 on January 18, 2014, 01:18:51

No 
You can send it to us

Quote from: southerngentuk on January 18, 2014, 03:18:36

Oh, Just ignore all the rest of us then.................

Breaking the silence and politely posting the truth about Marto74's lies and failures on January 21, 2014.

#772 January 21, 2014, 07:49:54

Code:

southerngentuk
	
Re: TechnoBit Eastern Europe, BG HEX16A 7 GH/s/Плaтки имoнтaж нa Aвaлoн чип

Let all face a bit of reality.

Marto please confirm that are boards have NOT been produced yet.

Please confirm to the best of your knowledge when you expect production to take place.

Please be honest..

From here on out from January till the conclusion of this sorry tale SoutherngentUK acts in polite and concerned tones... please review what Marto74's does. It really is shocking how someone can turn it around and blame a customer like this who for over 4 months was polite and supportive of Marto74 and Technobit. When things go wrong... Marto74 fails to take responsibility, pay off his debts until you put a large amount of pressure on him to do what is required. Ethically he has not compulsion to do what is right and it is always the customer that has to drag him to the reality he is a worthless pos.

Follow along to the end. Same exact blame laid on the customer by Marto74 and it takes a concerted campaign to finally get Marto74 to pay his debt. This is just 2 such customers there are plenty more. Tune in tomorrow for another story.

Quote from: southerngentuk on January 24, 2014, 05:01:50 AM

Quote from: pereiratech on January 24, 2014, 04:26:44 AM

Just arrived!!!
http://imagize[Suspicious link removed]ageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/19/v0pt.jpg
http://imagize[Suspicious link removed]ageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/607/uouz.jpg
http://imagize[Suspicious link removed]ageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/34/avjv.jpg

Now the fight is to get the excessive postage somehow, because we paid 132€ of postage for a urgent.

Marto74, actually is doing some improvement on the client assistance now and I think that's the good way to do it.

I use http://postimage.org/ as no registration required

congrats on finally getting something

Quote from: southerngentuk on January 26, 2014, 09:04:06 AM

Quote from: southerngentuk on January 20, 2014, 07:49:54 PM

Let all face a bit of reality.

Marto please confirm that are boards have NOT been produced yet.

Please confirm to the best of your knowledge when you expect production to take place.

Please be honest..

Bump, trying to be nice here. Angry

Quote from: southerngentuk on February 01, 2014, 07:04:16 PM

Quote from: jammertr on January 31, 2014, 04:40:52 PM

I finally got my boards, did not have enough time to test all, but what I can says for now is 3 boards consume around 400+ Watts at 480mhz 1.45v and hash somewhere about 7ghash

I will post pictures and more info hopefully before monday.

Glad you got your order, mine is with speedy ( in sofia if u believe there tracking).

Did you get a ~~ButterflyLabs~~TechnoBit Mug with your order ? Grin

Quote from: marto74 on December 29, 2013, 10:14:32 AM

I understand you frustration, but please do understand that all last hex16a (avalon1) orders were to be combined in 1 batch on PCB and PnP house.
It is not possible to be produced in batches of 2 or 7 or 15 pcs, or it is going to be too expensive.
On the side of customer support We have a lot to improve and We are going to.
Again We are sorry for the terrible customer service that We did or did not provide you.
We are thinking of some kind of present for all of you that will have orders shipped late.

We wish you Merry Christmas and happy new year

Martin

Quote from: southerngentuk on February 02, 2014, 04:17:37 AM

Quote from: marto74 on February 02, 2014, 02:16:05 AM

Quote from: southerngentuk on February 01, 2014, 07:04:16 PM

Quote from: jammertr on January 31, 2014, 04:40:52 PM

Glad you got your order, mine is with speedy ( in sofia if u believe there tracking).

Did you get a ~~ButterflyLabs~~TechnoBit Mug with your order ? Grin

Quote from: marto74 on December 29, 2013, 10:14:32 AM

And please tell us how much you paid for transport Huh

?
2 EUR for packing ,maybe ?

Surely you have access to your own website ? Do I get a Mug Now ?

"[T]he boards where not ready were they." - SoutherngentUK. This range of posts is important. Typically Marto74 after literally months of ignoring his customer turns back on that customer regarding his failure to send things properly. When in fact Marto74 never started the fabrication of boards as promised. Probably because it was unprofitable for him.

Quote from: southerngentuk on February 02, 2014, 05:08:44 PM

Quote from: marto74 on February 02, 2014, 01:09:04 PM

Quote from: jammertr on February 02, 2014, 12:59:46 PM

Quote from: adib on February 02, 2014, 12:30:49 PM

jammertr how long did you wait for the boards? ...if it was 3 months... i feel for you man

ordered on Sep 20th, chips sent on Sep 26th, received Jan 21st.

Hi,
First sorry for the bad experience.
How did you sent the chips ?
What kind of transport did you choose with your order?

Why are you trying to turn this on us?

You had my chips*, and I payed for my shipping*, you expressed no problems on our part back in December or again in early January.

And I have not seen a post where you have said our orders are ready, get your shipping to collect.

It is not fair to blame us, even if some of us did not pay for shipping, the boards where not ready were they.

To imply that this is in some way the fault of your customers is damn insulting.

*It would appear that tracking by DHL does not work once packages get on Bulgarian soil, and you have ignored my requests to confirm that you where in receipt of the chips.

*At the time of my first order, I believed that you where looking for alternative shipping options as speedy was so costly, so I did not initially pay for shipping. I payed for shipping on my second order and asked you to combine shipping. I will pay you for any extra costs that you incur for this, once you send me a PM with the amount and a payment address (in BTC) as I promised to do so. In fact I insist on this. I am a man of my word and despite the poor service my honor is paramount.

NOW, would you please confirm that the correct documents have been issued as my tracking lists the parcel has not left there office in Sofia yet.

Quote from: southerngentuk on February 02, 2014, 05:56:39 PM

Order 1
ordered on Sep 20th, chips sent on Sep 27th, received Not Yet

Order 2
ordered on Oct 17th, chips sent on Oct 17th, received Not Yet

Quote from: southerngentuk on February 05, 2014, 07:45:31 AM

Quote from: southerngentuk on February 02, 2014, 05:56:39 PM

Order 1
ordered on Sep 20th, chips sent on Sep 27th, received Not Yet

Order 2
ordered on Oct 17th, chips sent on Oct 17th, received Not Yet

Thanks Marto, you have shipped to my old address, am trying to trace and recover the package now and will get back to you with the outcome.

From the 5th December

Quote from: marto74 on December 04, 2013, 04:57:24 PM

Quote from: southerngentuk on December 04, 2013, 03:42:52 PM

Quote

AYUUFRQBR 2013-10-17
DKRCWFOLN 2013-09-20

Please can I have an update on my orders, and confirmation you have received my change of address.
No responses from your support.

Received
ALL outstanding Hex16a to be shipped in ~~next few days~~ 60 days

Quote from: southerngentuk on February 06, 2014, 04:00:59 AM

Quote from: southerngentuk on February 02, 2014, 05:56:39 PM

Order 1
ordered on Sep 20th, chips sent on Sep 27th, received Not Yet

Order 2
ordered on Oct 17th, chips sent on Oct 17th, received Not Yet

Just for Fun

Lets take the order date of Oct 17th and allow 4 weeks for delivery. December 17th

On December 17th Difficulty for my 28GH order was @ 908,350,862 and would earn 0.10851498 BTC a week

Today's Estimated Next Difficulty: 3,189,170,996 @ 95GH would earn 0.10486513 BTC a week

But hey wait, I don't have them yet do I !

Quote from: southerngentuk on February 08, 2014, 06:35:30 AM

Quote from: jdot007 on February 08, 2014, 05:19:27 AM

I'm in the same order group as you if I'm not mistaken. This was sobering as I did the maths and Marto would owe me an additional 400ghz to to currently earn what I would have if he delivered within his 4 week window. I doubt there will be any type of customer care here, he already got what he came for. Even buying with paypal is a huge risk as seen by the Marto/btcminer84 fiasco.

Yeh, its quite some hit, I really think its time that some offer was made. However just getting the GH paid for, seems a huge issue at the moment.

Its a real shame as I believe they are good products and I think martin is really good at the technical aspects of his projects.

Unfortunately, I believe anyone making future purchases should seriously consider time dependent escrow arrangements.

Quote from: southerngentuk on February 10, 2014, 06:17:56 AM

Quote from: southerngentuk on February 06, 2014, 03:30:03 AM

PM sent, please check..

Martin,

Speedy have provided more details, DHL arranged the international shipping

They then assigned a local firm who have delivered the package.

They said this will NOT be covered by Insurance as the package is delivered to the correct Address. Angry

More information sent in PM..

Quote from: southerngentuk on February 10, 2014, 04:56:03 PM

Quote from: marto74 on February 10, 2014, 01:01:59 PM

I'm busy with hex8a1 @ the moment
If they refuse insurance I'll ship anyway replacement power in wednesday

Please advice when shipped by Email or PM, Thank You

Quote from: southerngentuk on February 12, 2014, 01:02:25 AM

Quote from: southerngentuk on February 10, 2014, 04:56:03 PM

Quote from: marto74 on February 10, 2014, 01:01:59 PM

I'm busy with hex8a1 @ the moment
If they refuse insurance I'll ship anyway replacement power in wednesday

Please advice when shipped by Email or PM, Thank You

Bump

Quote from: southerngentuk on February 13, 2014, 04:51:07 PM

Quote from: marto74 on February 12, 2014, 04:48:33 AM

sorry
would you accept replacement power of HEX16A2 ( C) Avalon 2 based ?
If so , please PM me the correct address so I'll ship to it

PM was sent..

Please send me tracking number, I don't want to miss it. Shocked

Quote from: southerngentuk on February 17, 2014, 12:24:40 AM

Quote from: southerngentuk on February 13, 2014, 04:51:07 PM

Quote from: marto74 on February 12, 2014, 04:48:33 AM

sorry
would you accept replacement power of HEX16A2 ( C) Avalon 2 based ?
If so , please PM me the correct address so I'll ship to it

PM was sent..

Please send me tracking number, I don't want to miss it. Shocked

^^^^^^^ Please, has the replacement been sent.

Quote from: southerngentuk on February 17, 2014, 07:23:13 PM

Quote from: southerngentuk on February 13, 2014, 04:51:07 PM

Quote from: marto74 on February 12, 2014, 04:48:33 AM

sorry
would you accept replacement power of HEX16A2 ( C) Avalon 2 based ?
If so , please PM me the correct address so I'll ship to it

PM was sent..

Please send me tracking number, I don't want to miss it. Shocked

^^^^^^^ Please, has the replacement been sent.

Quote from: southerngentuk on February 18, 2014, 07:59:13 PM

Quote from: southerngentuk on February 10, 2014, 04:56:03 PM

Quote from: marto74 on February 10, 2014, 01:01:59 PM

I'm busy with hex8a1 @ the moment
If they refuse insurance I'll ship anyway replacement power in wednesday

Please advice when shipped by Email or PM, Thank You

7 days later... Roll Eyes

Quote from: southerngentuk on March 10, 2014, 07:52:26 AM

Quote from: southerngentuk on February 18, 2014, 07:59:13 PM

Quote from: southerngentuk on February 10, 2014, 04:56:03 PM

Quote from: marto74 on February 10, 2014, 01:01:59 PM

I'm busy with hex8a1 @ the moment
If they refuse insurance I'll ship anyway replacement power in wednesday

Please advice when shipped by Email or PM, Thank You

7 days later... Roll Eyes

Still Waiting Shocked

Quote from: southerngentuk on March 12, 2014, 12:17:00 AM

Quote from: southerngentuk on March 10, 2014, 07:52:26 AM

Quote from: southerngentuk on February 18, 2014, 07:59:13 PM

Quote from: southerngentuk on February 10, 2014, 04:56:03 PM

Quote from: marto74 on February 10, 2014, 01:01:59 PM

I'm busy with hex8a1 @ the moment
If they refuse insurance I'll ship anyway replacement power in wednesday

Please advice when shipped by Email or PM, Thank You

7 days later... Roll Eyes

Still Waiting Shocked

Bumping for my new signature

\/

Quote from: southerngentuk on March 12, 2014, 12:28:32 AM

I would like a refund now please.

1CUXbvfqud3vGmeHBDzbJzwqd3dMcjn7Di

SouthergentUK takes Marto to task and lays out every LIE told by Marto74 and sets in stone how Marto74 for months had been deceptive and basically committing outright fraud. Reading this section is all one needs to understand what Marto74 does to make sure he covers his own financial problems at the expense of the customer.

Quote from: southerngentuk on March 12, 2014, 02:16:28 AM

Quote from: marto74 on March 12, 2014, 01:10:27 AM

Your hardware was delivered on the address given in your account >>>>>>> lies,this was updated last year, would you like me to find the post where you confirmed my change of address
http://www.speedy.bg/begin.php?nccharset=173FA2FA&shipmentNumber=60071014938&lang=en

You claimed it is lost . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You sent it to the wrong address and have been provided proof by speedy
We agreed to send replacement power. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes but you have not sent it
You did not answer on our E-mail for confirmation of your new address? >>>>>>>> my address is correct on my account page and has been since i changed it in December, confirmed by yourself on this forum. All your emails have been answered in your website by the link provided in the email as instructed, may I suggest you check your website for errors.

I will refund assembly service fee imidiately. >>>>Please do this. my address is above..
As for the chips I can send them to you if you confirm delivery address >>>>>You Have this on my account page postcode 4852

Do not forget that your paid hardware is not in us and with somebody @ your first address. <<< by your error, it is 1200 kms from my current location and I have had no luck contacting them.

Best Martin

Quote from: southerngentuk on March 12, 2014, 04:51:10 AM

Dear forum/thread members...

I have received a refund for my order (marto still has those now useless chips, my loss).

Four months has passed since the expected delivery date, therefore I do not in anyway feel satisfied.

This does however bring an element of closure so I can stop pestering in Marto's threads.

My apologies to all who have had to put up with my constant posts, I wish it could have been done in a different manner but when PM's are Ignored it leaves little options.

Regards to all

SoutherngentUK

joeventura

hero member

Activity: 854

Merit: 500

It is not likely he will change his ways

Bicknellski

hero member

Activity: 924

Merit: 1000

So we left off with clear evidence that Marto74 still has a promise to refund BTC to a number of members of his group buy since September 2013. Now we will shift gears and have a deeper look into one customer and his complaints and final assessment of Marto74 / Technobit. This I would say is the model for most of what was going on in the October 2013 to February 2014 period and beyond where I suspect Marto74 / Technobit was either undercapitalized or had made some form of design / just in time parts ordering errors and chose to cover the fact with some pretty shifty games with delivery and delaying of refunds. This overlaps the group buy time frame and issues as well and funny haven't we seen him delay refunds before? Yes. Yes we have.

Order Placed November 10th, 2013

Code:

	
Re: Anybody had reliable buys with TechnoBit.eu
December 03, 2013, 02:05:33

I actually have 2 orders placed... And 2 tracking numbers

When I check the speedy.bg site the order that said 'shipped' 
first on the Technobit order has changed to:-

"canceled SYSTEM RETURN"  on speedy.bg tracking  Roll Eyes.

My order which said shipped a couple of days later has apparently 
reached Germany according to tracking...

I PM'd Marto about what was happening regarding the order 
that has canceled and he was going to look into this today - as yet no response.

I have left a few messages through the Technobit site but 
I suspect these are not monitored as I have never had a 
response via that route.

Fingers crossed on at least one order before Christmas...

Melb

Partial delivery of order December 5th, 2013

Code:

December 05, 2013, 22:20:17

One of my orders turned up yesterday  Smiley

DPD UK never had the tracking info for me... I used www.speedy.bg 
as they hold the tracking numbers at the Bulgaria end - 
there is a small link in the top right for the English version.

Melb

Next day...

Code:

2xHEX16A2 (one for a friend) and a few Nano's - ordered 10th November

I had a problem with the other order (on 13th) - this was returned 'canceled'... 
Marto74 promised to UPS them to me (that was a couple of days ago)... 
I think he must be very busy (best to PM him) - but he does eventually 
deliver and as he is in the EU this saves the VAT hit of 20% + import 
taxes here in the UK if we order from the US/outside of the EU. 

Melb

Week rolls by... customer postulates that Marto74 cancelled the order. (Empty box?)

Code:

One week on - I am still waiting - given that UPS Express quote 
1 day from Sofia to London I think it stands to reason that my order was 
not sent out 4th December... But as I have not received an updated UPS 
tracking number (as I have requested twice) then there is no way of knowing 
what (if anything) is going on. I notice quite a few on another thread have 
said that their orders have gone to the Speedy courier only to be 'canceled' 
(system returned) a couple of days later. The people that have experienced 
this seem to be Nanofury orders. The reality is that couriers do not 'cancel' 
for no reason and I am cynically thinking that they have been in fact been 
canceled by Technobit themselves to fulfill other orders. Of course I hope 
to be wrong on this one but the fact is that whilst there is only black hole 
(one way communications) with Technobit/Marto74 there is no way of knowing 
what is going on. I have PM'd twice in the last few days and given up hoping to 
get a response via the Technobit site. I will wait a couple more days and if 
nothing it will be a strongly worded message requesting a refund. Failing this 
it will of course be chargeback time.

Melb

Another week goes by... and then Technobit no longer accepts PayPal big WARNING SIGN to everyone in bitcointalk right?

Code:

+1 - my second order has not arrived still - Marto74 talks rubbish about 
January delivery - now open when he has not even dealt with orders back to 
October & November. He makes a big deal about not being a scammer - yet 
does nothing to address his lack of communication. He says he will 'offer 
refund in 5 minutes' - but actually the reality is that he ignores such requests. 
PayPal offer a 45 day dispute window although I don't hold up much hope 
here as he has obviously had his account suspended as Technobit no longer 
accept PayPal. So the chargeback maybe the only route now. May not be out 
and out scam as some products do drip feed their way out - but to place an 
order without any credit card guarantees - forget it! You will regret it!

Melb

And here is the end of the things on December 16, 2013. You can see the pattern. Why would there be a CANCELLED shipment?
One could easily note that Marto74 probably shipped an empty box and then cancelled the order. There are more than a few cases
where Marto74's boxes seem to either go missing or are shipping delayed or lost. It is amazing.

Code:

So, after several messages Marto74 finally gave me a refund thus proving 
that he had not shipped anything (as he had promised). 

This is the manner in which he responded:-

"Dear MELvyn.B
Your first order with us was delivered, second one is now refunded.
We are not going to accept any orders from you in the future. Your account with us is disabled.

Best Martin"

I Don't think he need fear me pestering him with my custom again somehow...

Melb

And Marto74 naturally reacts to the customer who questions his truthfulness with anger and a good helping of fuck you customer. Marto74 seems to behave as if he has some sort affliction something akin Narcissistic Personality Disorder. It fits and I have personally seen PM's and posts that certainly attest to the fact Marto74 has a psychotic disproportionate response to polite suggestions that he work on his customer relationship management. He loves to threaten to end you in no uncertain terms. Beware he is certainly unstable and will go to any lengths to maintain his perception of his world view, seriously he is such a great guy .

Narcissistic people operate from an image they hold
of themselves in their mind. They do not operate from the reality
of feelings in their body. This does not mean they do not feel. It
means their feelings are generated by what they believe about
themselves and others in their head. They do not “test” these
beliefs through “real” interactions with people.

Because they froze the ability to feel at a young age, they never
have the opportunity to correct the picture they hold of themselves
in their mind. We all hold pictures of ourselves in our head. We
are willing or desire to change these pictures of ourselves on the
basis of feedback from others and through an accurate assessment
of who we are.

When the narcissist is confronted with a reality of who they are and
that differs from their mental picture, they discount the information.
If the information persists or gets stronger they will rage at the
information or the informer.

Because they are frozen inside, they have to cling to the image
they hold. If you try to go in deeper, you will discover that there
is no depth to the person. The narcissist knows that and will
prevent you from going beneath the surface at all costs. Any
penetration of the surface reveals the emptiness they experience
from within.

Let us let Melb summarize here:

Quote

December 17, 2013, 07:29:58
Post #30

My situation was a little different.

I placed my first order on 10th November - and this was delivered a little
late but that was ok as I was being kept updated by the general released
email to everyone on the Technobit list. I was happy to wait and the goods
came through especially as I could see the tracking information showing
progress.

The goods were well built and performance good for the price.

My second order I placed 3 days after the first (I took a gamble) - I ordered
some more Nanofuries and purchased a couple of 10 way hubs (now redundant)
to run them. When the status first changed to 'shipped' there was a tracking
number and when I typed this is it said 'canceled' 'system return'... Now,
that is a perfectly valid reason for me wanting to know what was going on...
So I didn't post on the open forum I PM'd Marto... He replied (the last I had)
that the boards were returned for unknown reason and that he would send them
out UPS Express the next day at his expense. The next day was 4th December
- after a couplle of days I PM'd requesting a new UPS tracking number.
I followed this up over the next few days with requests to be told what was
going on etc - these were to threads that Marto views as well as PM's.

This was not a situation of just waiting because I am pretty sure that waiting
for my elusive package would have resulted in the expiry of Paypal dispute
time and ultimately the expiry of chargeback time and I would then still have
no goods... Given that Marto had said that he was going to UPS Express them
to me - I took that word on trust - he betrayed that trust and that is something
you should not do for customers you wish to keep. Of course BFL are just as
bad but comparing another bad example does not make the Technobit situation
right!

With the nature of mining hardware speed is of the essence and of course
delays cost money... Everyone knows the Terrahash units are going to appear
early in the new year - when these appear 24GH/s / 40GH/s boards will become
extremely diluted in the pool with those big boys and revenue from these will
plummet. So at this stage of the game even a small delay could mean the
difference between profit and loss from mining. Which is exactly why 'In Hand'
stuff on Ebay does fetch a premium because it is a known quantity which
removes some of the gamble.

I don't feel as though I have done anything wrong by requesting a refund as
Marto/Technobit could not provide me with some communication as to what
was happening to my apparently 'shipped' order. I wasn't waiting for it to be
built according to our previous communications (when they existed).

I see possible evidence here on these pages that suggests he has ripped
people off (but to be fair I can only judge by the postings here) - at the same
time I know from personal experience he can deliver the goods and they are of
good quality. But I would ask one question to those now waiting....

Do you not think it a little odd that Marto is happy to promote January
shipping orders and working hard to ship December orders - at the same
time as blatantly ignoring those waiting for information about undelivered
October and November orders? That to me has alarm bells ringing! I hope
I am wrong - but I have been in this same situation before
(not with Technobit or Marto) where the continuation of the business
and the fulfillment of old orders relied on the ever increasing generation
of new orders - in other words in my previous situation it was a ponzi...
Those in at the right time profited but when it collapsed I was one of the
many that lost out. This is bearing all the wrong hallmarks of a sustainable
business. I hope for all those waiting and even for Marto himself that he
does change his business ethics... Some words of wisdom for Marto himself -
if you have a rapidly expanding business you have to build the structure
at the same time as that acts as the skeleton (pillars) that holds your
business together - this is standard business knowledge to anyone
that has successfully grown their own business and widely taught in
business schools/colleges.

Melb

Has Marto74 changed his ways? Does it really matter? If you are going to risk thousands of dollars with a business that acts in this manner in the past when things get really tough or tight what do you think they are going to do? Are they going to make the customer whole? Are they going to do what is ethically and legally required? Are they going to communicate clearly about delays? Are they going to fly off the handle because of a personality disorder?

Remember this is just one case. More to come tomorrow. If you were buggered badly by Marto74 and want your story to be highlighted in this way just PM me and I go through all the board posts and layout the history of how you get fucked over by Marto74. I would really like to get a sense of what losses people incurred as result of these false deliveries and subsequent months of waiting for units that were never even built by Marto74. Given just the last few days of delving into this there are plenty of victims here and it would even be worthy of class action given the lengths Marto74 went to delay refunds just in the few forum reference searches I have done.

This problem is far more worse than just a few angry people not getting units there is a systematic attempt to delay and misdirect and lie to customers about the nature of the products being in stock covering up the fact that many of the boards being sold were pre-orders. Let me see how many of these complaints pan out in this way but you have to know that dealing with a company like this is just not safe given the lengths they go to hide what they are really up to. I would recommend no one order at all from Technobit until they make good on refunds and reimbursements should there be outstanding complaints.

joeventura

hero member

Activity: 854

Merit: 500

Did some Google searches and found this:

http://www.likelyanswer.com/12144327/Technobiteu--Marto74-Bfl-style-Scammer

He has no fans remaining they are posting everywhere!

Bicknellski

hero member

Activity: 924

Merit: 1000

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3886812

Quote from: darkfriend77 on April 16, 2014, 02:23:07 AM

Quote from: marto74 on December 09, 2013, 12:55:54 AM

I'm not able to commit with end date @ the moment.
As soon I'm able to do it I'll hold my word.

probably hold my word has a different meaning there ...

I hate to use this comparison but that sure sounds like the same excuses Josh Zerlan and Slok love to use then go buy McMansions with your BTC. This guy Marto74 can't be trusted to deliver on his word. You need to avoid this guy until he makes good on these promises and given that he really has no ethical base and loves to change the "rules" as he sees fit to suit his mood, I doubt any of these GB patrons are every going to get their BTC back. What a crook.

Bicknellski

hero member

Activity: 924

Merit: 1000

So where did we leave off last time fellow bitcoin enthusiasts? Right Marto74 was just asking his GB patrons to pay him "more" for all his "hard work" for the failed GB and the delaying tactics.

The refunds go out on September 28th 2013.

Code:

John (John K.)
September 28, 2013, 22:50:08
Reply with quote  #542
Refund sent out: http://blockchain.info/tx/d1c511c91ebeb185b01565b81076efc729c89daf2b02e4c258940fcb8d071266

And let's faster forward to the 25 days later and wait to see when Marto pays off what he owes...

Code:

Re: [Group buy] Avalon chips Escrow John K / Please check refund list until Sunday
October 15, 2013, 15:33:25

Quote from: darkfriend77 on September 22, 2013, 04:42:51

Ok, in this case I would like the fee back ... 

Thx.

Quote from: marto74 on September 22, 2013, 04:50:26
Ok you'll get it in 25 days.
Consider  your fee in this group as a gift

Regards: Martin

Quote from: darkfriend77 on October 15, 2013, 15:33:25
tomorrov we get the fees? :-)

And the asking continues...

Code:

darkfriend77
Sr. Member
****


Activity: 392
Posts: 1012

SwissHash.ch


View Profile  Personal Message (Offline)
Trust: 4: -0 / +6(6) 
Ignore
	
Re: [Group buy] Avalon chips Escrow John K / Please check refund list until Sunday
October 17, 2013, 14:29:04
Reply with quote  #572
Quote from: darkfriend77 on October 15, 2013, 15:33:25
Quote from: marto74 on September 22, 2013, 04:50:26
Quote from: darkfriend77 on September 22, 2013, 04:42:51

Ok, in this case I would like the fee back ... 

Thx.
Ok
you'll get it in 25 days.
Consider  your fee in this group as a gift


Regards: Martin

tomorrov we get the fees? :-)

Where are the Fee's Huh 25 Days past!!!!

I bought 32 Chips .... received refundes 2.50272 BTC for chips

missing !!! "The rest fee of almost 7 % - 0,0052258 BTC"

32 * 0,0052258 BTC -> 0.1672256 BTC

and continues...

Code:

darkfriend77
Sr. Member
****


Activity: 392
Posts: 1012

SwissHash.ch


View Profile  Personal Message (Offline)
Trust: 4: -0 / +6(6) 
Ignore
	
Re: [Group buy] Avalon chips Escrow John K / Please check refund list until Sunday
November 09, 2013, 04:55:33
Reply with quote  #604
Quote
1. Refund of the fees for the users that asked this when John refunded them the initial cost of the chips for the participants that confirmed refund with
signed mesages in time. I did promised to make it in 25 days and I missed this . I'll make may best to fix it in the next 5-10 days. Please excuse my delay and have some patience.

excuse accepted ... but ... 5-10 days will be fast ....

and continues...

Code:

darkfriend77
Sr. Member
****


Activity: 392
Posts: 1012

SwissHash.ch


View Profile  Personal Message (Offline)
Trust: 4: -0 / +6(6) 
Ignore
	
Re: [Group buy] Avalon chips Escrow John K / Please check refund list until Sunday
November 23, 2013, 17:50:52
Reply with quote  #613
Quote from: darkfriend77 on November 18, 2013, 02:29:02
Quote from: darkfriend77 on November 09, 2013, 04:55:33
Quote
1. Refund of the fees for the users that asked this when John refunded them the initial cost of the chips for the participants that confirmed refund with
signed mesages in time. I did promised to make it in 25 days and I missed this . I'll make may best to fix it in the next 5-10 days. Please excuse my delay and have some patience.

excuse accepted ... but ... 5-10 days will be fast ....

10 Days will be past tomorrow !!! Dam it where are the Coins!!!

Hey you promised us to return your fees for your failed gb ... what's up ... again a fucking scam?

It is still going on... believe it or not Marto74 has yet to refund those people the fees as he promised back in September 2013. Sad. But he owes people BTC so all you can say realistically is he is a crook. At what point do people wake up and smell the coffee about this low life and stop doing business with him? You don't get to ignore the people you ripped off Marto74 because they complain. You need to fulfill your promises.

Tune in tomorrow as we delve deeper into late delivery and other "mishaps" from Technobit and show how this pattern of disregard for customers is really based on Marto74's failures to make his customers whole. It baffles the mind that people continue to do business with this guy given his behaviour.

joeventura

hero member

Activity: 854

Merit: 500

Its overwhelming the amount of people Technobit/Marto have screwed over.

Not delivering,

Making up and changing Group buy rules as he sees fit,

Using other peoples money that he did not earn to develop his toy miners,

then trying to defend these actions. He even admitted that he did many of these things and still is not interested in making it right.

Just be warned that this kind of behavior does not go unnoticed and people like me who Marto has ripped off for over $1000 are not going to go away quietly.

Avoid Technobit and Marto at all costs you will not be sorry.

Bicknellski

hero member

Activity: 924

Merit: 1000

So where did we leave off?

Yes ok Marto has just "doubled" his fees, error in one tired GB members calculations, for the GB and has for weeks delayed and delayed as much as he could so that he could get those chips and build the boards he had ordered BEFORE even having the chips tsk tsk tsk. He had to cover his ass and then sell his boards or face ruin and so he ignored the majority of the people in the GB wanted for 2 weeks.

Johnthedong Sends in refund request on September 18th 2013.

Code:

Quote
I sent the refund order in already, and the funds should show up at 
http://blockchain.info/address/1NrWRA6RWapSqYHuEAGRnxjdnWoKgucDhT 
when avalon sends the refund in.

Cheers,
John

Marto74 finally posts the refund notice most of the group buy members wanted for weeks:

Code:


Quote from: marto74 on September 18, 2013, 04:40:28
Dear , participants ,

The refund order is sent.
Those of you that choose to refund , please send and e-mail to 
[email protected] with signed message with flowing input:
 ,,; ; ; 

Those that want your chips will get them , so please send  
e-mail to [email protected]  with signed message with following input:

,,; ; ; 
; 

Best Regards: Martin

Members of the GB request confirmation that emails are being received in order to pin Marto74 down on this because he is not keeping a public list or confirming emails are received. Piss poor accounting and transparency another group of things Marto74 needs to reflect upon.

Code:

Can you confirm the emails you received ... or can you give us a list of missing confirmations refund or chips?

Quote
Von:    Satoshi Nakamoto 
An:    [email protected]
Datum:    18. September 2013 00:04
Betreff:    Refund my GB1 Order #32
Gesendet von:    gmail.com

,<32>,; <32>; <2.72>; <1LJiC5hmBY7EWrWzfq3NUcsJj4J5HMYcT8>

IBt+6s262c0MKWZEko0OjSGHxuFHpKFNrW3DZQo1Jj9hum4+WSBUWQs1cGAOWIDj1jTrK5cR7UJaH4vxvZvqGMU=

please confirm tthis mail.

thank you.

And finally he gets around to posting the list of refunds on September 21st, 2013 and then slips in more fees to the GB members changing the terms.

Code:

So here is a list of requested refunds with signed emails to be made immediately in sunday after 18:00 GMT :

Quote
,<34>,; <128>; <10,01088>; <1GjAbLU8UTn4YArcGv4kRnkMtWnqe5aq4c>
,<32>,; <32>; <2,50272>; <1LJiC5hmBY7EWrWzfq3NUcsJj4J5HMYcT8>
GB1,38,fex; 48;3,75408; 19bKGxRDdQzxZCiomBQTCJdTuY9hY8MaAG
,<4>,; <16>; <1.25136>; <1L1yVgod8mAhBqQNY1t6mjz9F1RyufDiMd>
,<29>,; <1304>; <101,98584>; <1L1yVgod8mAhBqQNY1t6mjz9F1RyufDiMd>
GB1,8,dimomit,1600,125,136,1JX2hQrwpGf3cFZBM71dHDAkmDUzL3b6D
GB1,36,dimomit,512,40,04352,1JX2hQrwpGf3cFZBM71dHDAkmDUzL3b6D
GB1,14,mbd4,66,5,16186,14YYJPj2GX245Qwt1DyeCRWvuKVeCxEnsp
GB1,Min€r,188,14,70348,17AAr4dEDhgKfpZB7cC4x5Fk35Nm3A1AE9,R
,<37>,; <32>; <2,50272>; <13eNckPoVN2PZJPvZVXt2uopvDBZLRvuy9>
,<33>,; <32>; <2,50272>; <13niA2BjbXg3p3g6YvUy1RCm79AwB9tzgc>
#1, 35, pajak666, 36; 2.81556; 1P4J4Kcib7WEQGxtdcjEwXsDnDJ5BYkpPy
GB1, 34, mitty; 214; 16,73694; 12qGq8GLeqzstyxhJbVY8oEwEDfPhUyYDV
GB1; 31; patica; 320;25,0272; 16muA1AUuKC96zbjd2jYaYpnZkikPuxpxF
<1>,<9>,; <2>; <0,15642>; <1KgAdXtY9yMeKpJiPzfNWwRPp76WZBJZHJ>
,<7>,; <980>; <76,6458>; <173Qmir9hTmvkb3Cmvgj78AV2CjL5azZYS>
GB1,34,ilpirata79; 64; 5,00544; 1UKmHLagJ69SA4gWGMKcNdk5i7FJy6Vqp
,<15>,; <192>; <15,01632>; <1DKaP1CCaEFBBZFMFKHey11SULgptSSdXU>
1, 22, cha0z97; 80;6,2568;19Sy1mEGGJFLv2fbFwAaFFeVg9h62FtrR4
The amounts in the list are based on 0,07821 BTC per chip , that is the Avalon cost that was refunded to the escrow address .
The rest 9 % are the GB tax including the escrow fee.
The escrow fee of 2 % - 0,0015642   BTC per chip is not refundable .
The rest fee of  almost 7 % - 0,0052258 BTC   came to me.
I think I deserve some payment for all the time and efforts in organizing this venture , but if you all decide to ask it in full I'll honor this
I'll left the participants of the GB1 to decide what to do with this tax, in any case I'll be able to refund it in 25 days.
In monday I'll ask for vote about that.
Again everybody , please check the list and in case of any mistakes please send me a PM.
In sunday 18:00 GMT I'll send final list to Jhon K for sending the refund transfers.
GB2 , that is going to be delivered in time is not decided for now, we'll do it next week.

Again thank you for the patience
Best Regards: Martin

And people complain for his "design" fee. What a crook!

Code:

Re: [Group buy] Avalon chips Escrow John K / Please send your e-mails until Friday
September 21, 2013, 16:16:40
Reply with quote  #468
there's no need for a vote, design fees should be included in PCB cost, not on 
chips which we never received, at last we saw why your board price is cheaper 
than another - cause your calculations are all wrong!

and a few others complain about it

Code:

agreed. Also there was no word on the HEX16 being designed at the start 
of this GB1 when we paid for the chips. It was not part of the terms.
Also, even if this wasn't the case,I'm not willing to pay a design fee when 
you still have given no word on what will done with boards of people with a 
chip refund.
Can they be refunded when gen2 arrives and new people start ordering? If
not there would be no need for a design fee since you then basically got free 
boards to sell.

And now he gets angry and defensive to the GB member who rightfully question his slick attempt to skim off more from the customers.

Code:

Quote from: jkminkov on September 21, 2013, 16:16:40
there's no need for a vote, design fees should be included in PCB cost, not on chips which we never received, at last we saw why your board price is cheaper than another - cause your calculations are all wrong!

marto74
You do not need to offend me.

Just say that you think I do not deserve payment for organizing this group. THAT IS ENOUGH

And the customer rightfully explains his frustrations... tune in tomorrow to see where Marto74 tries to weasel people next. There is a clear pattern here with Marto74. People should really avoid this guy it is clear even at this stage he has little intention of helping solve problems but rather solve his own problems at the expense of his customers.

Code:

September 21, 2013, 17:39:14
Reply with quote  #475

Quote from: jkminkov on September 21, 2013, 16:16:40
there's no need for a vote, design fees should be included in PCB cost, not on chips which we 
never received, at last we saw why your board price is cheaper than another - cause your calculations are all wrong!

Quote from: marto74 on September 21, 2013, 17:17:04
You do not need to offend me.
Just say that you think I do not deserve payment for organizing this group. THAT IS ENOUGH

Quote from: jkminkov on September 21, 2013, 17:39:14

I have lost two months worth of wages here, and I have every right to offend every female collateral relative of yours.

jdot007

member

Activity: 73

Merit: 10

Dave,

Would you consider yourself a happy Technobit customer under these circumstances?

The reason I ask is because I seriously "think" that Marto47 and team think that they've done right by you despite any mistakes on their part.

Please explain your experience cliff notes style with a link to the reverent info or a img of your pm's ect. I plan to do
the same.

He basically is saying in my case that he is square with me (has completed his obligation within the rules of the forum and his website) ~~even though he delivered 3 TO 4 months late sans any type of hash rate compensation or even a fucking apology for that matter~~ & this is all after I asked for a refund both of which just happen to be totally outside of any possibility of ROI.

Truthfully I did try to sell the units that I did get in spite of asking for a refund, but honestly its too late to sell 5-7gh equipment.

Please let us know the ends and outs of your experience with Technobit.

J

dave111223

legendary

Activity: 1190

Merit: 1001

They never delivered my hardware but I did manage to get a refund out of Marto by harassing the crap out of him on these forums.

btcminer84

full member

Activity: 210

Merit: 100

Never got hardware or a refund. Technobit is a scammer company.

joeventura

hero member

Activity: 854

Merit: 500

Wish we had an answer

Bicknellski

hero member

Activity: 924

Merit: 1000

Quote from: quest on June 12, 2014, 11:18:42 AM

There are only a few from Avalon GB1, that ask for a fee refunD

You promised me a refund for the fee when you have the money.

Do you have it now?

Good question.

Bicknellski

hero member

Activity: 924

Merit: 1000

Quote from: jdot007 on June 11, 2014, 11:04:00 PM

Just so we're clear Marto47 got the boards I ordered out to me ~~who cares if they were~~ 3.5~ months after he said he would! Whats crazy is I believe that I asked for a refund when they were about a month late, but got no reply. The biggest issue is that he wasted alot of peoples Time & money. He said he would give people replacement hashing power ect but didn't deliver. If you must do business with Marto & Technobit
do your self a favor and use paypal otherwise if you do any other type of bare metal transaction and happen to fall on the wrong side of the Reality/Acceptable delivery time distortion field you'll
be SOL.

FYI I like Marto47's EE work!! but I wouldn't order from him again, fool me twice shame on me.

J

Quote from: joeventura on June 11, 2014, 10:17:06 PM

Besides the BTC1.43 he stole from me, here are other victims:

Think this is a typical scenario for many people. Early warning signs were there in the Group Buy. Never really accepts responsibility for his inactions and over reactions.

jdot007

member

Activity: 73

Merit: 10

Quote from: joeventura on June 11, 2014, 10:17:06 PM

Besides the BTC1.43 he stole from me, here are other victims:

warhawk187

sr. member

Activity: 327

Merit: 250

As a former Technobit customer, their customer service was terrible from the start. Their S-hash boards were well built, but also failed to mention that power supplies weren't included on their poorly designed website.

I really wanted to have trust in them to buy more products but the more I troved this forum, the more late, or missing miners threads kept popping up.

Needless to say, I'm not surprised in the slightest bit.

But this type of behavior seems to be the norm in the Bitcoin mining industry, unfortunately, with a small handful of exceptions. Its sad what greed does to people.

joeventura

hero member

Activity: 854

Merit: 500

Besides the BTC1.43 he stole from me, here are other victims:

Bicknellski

hero member

Activity: 924

Merit: 1000

Someone jumped the gun and ordered up some PCB's and forced GB members to take on his blunder and bail him out.

Quote from: racquemis on September 16, 2013, 09:43:12 AM

Still i don't understand why we are forced to take the boards and chips when there are other options.
As Avalon has stated gen2 has the same footprint & pinout as the gen1 chips.
As soon as those release people will want boards.

Why not just refund the chips and hold the boards for gen2? People that want gen2
chips can hold their order until the new chips are delivered. And people that don't
want to the hold the board for themselves could wait for a new gen2 customer to
buy a board @ technobit after which refunds can be made.

This option wouldn't hurt you in funds and could actually be of benefit since you now
have boards in stock for quick assembly of gen2. Sure, there is no garantuee all boards
would be bought by new customers. But at least a good portion of this GB could get
refunded eventually.

Everybody can get their chips refunded this way. I'd rather wait several months for a
refund on the boards then having no chip refund at all. It beats having to wait three
weeks for the boards to arrive lowering the ROI even further.

Quite a few people were rightly pissed off at his do his way with their money tactics.

Quote from: pajak666 on September 16, 2013, 11:06:07 AM

Code:

GB1,pajak666, 36 , 3.06 ,  1P4J4Kcib7WEQGxtdcjEwXsDnDJ5BYkpPy, R

Code:

HCy/7QykWCBHThA2mAsTt9cBhxjJiHhsrwlhtuJINsAD/+RyemCqIydLcWuJUJjNgjYeDdFMqPFikyzh93sbWiQ=

Marto that is so lame, you are delaying refund in every possible way.
I belive all other Group Buyers did allow their participants to take refund and they done
it really quick and smooth. you are delaying the refund for the whole time.
Monday, monday came now we have to vote lol. Riddic signed messages voting
just to get some more hours, just to receive that tracking info from Avalon.
Really I didn't expected that from you.

This is the sort of game he played right from day one. Then tries to get a double fee for the GB?

Quote from: quest on September 21, 2013, 05:28:21 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Marto74 is asking for twice the compensation he asked for in the opening post.
From the opening post:

Quote

9. Pricing
A: I am asking for a 9% surplus for my nerves (risk compensation). the 10k chips totaled to 782.1BTC, which results to a resale price of 0.085BTC / chip.

782.1BTC divided by ten Thousand chips equals 0.07821BTC / chip
with the 9% fee it results in a chip of price of 0.085BTC / chip as advertised in the terms. (0,00679 BTC fee)

With the new designers fee of 0,09*0,085=0,00765BTC. The total fees we pay to marto 74 equals a whopping 18,3% fee over the original chip price (excluding escrow fee)

This is unacceptable and i demand that you remove the additional fee before sending the refund list to John K.
This "Cash-in first, ask questions later" tactic is unacceptable. It should be the other around.

to the other GB1 participants:
If we don't have a satisfactory from marto by the end of the day, i urge everybody to contact John K to get the refund on hold before he runs with double the fee.

Story will continue tomorrow but I don't have to tell people where this ends because some people are still fighting to get Marto to pay back what is owed from this group buy.