Topic: Technological unemployment is (almost) here - page 11. (Read 88285 times)
The advancements of technology will sooner or later question the monetary system.
We'll need educated individuals so they can work on the only job left (repairing machines)
In a fully automated society, everyone is in the parasite class category. Demand and need will be drastically different than what we see today.
That implies everyone is of a parasite mentality. Some people keep working even after they retire, or after they become millionaires and have no reason to keep working to earn a living.
To keep working, you need to have a job that meet the need of the population at that time. If everything is being done by robot, there will be no need that can't be done by robot and no job around for human.
Impossible. Humans will always find something to do, even if it doesn't pay them anything more than recognition for something they did.
For small group of people, yes. What about the rest of the population?
Our current population count is well above 7B, there is no sign of it slowing down.
Yep, many things point towards population decline or at the very least stabilisation, especially as nations become more developed. And if you're lucky enough to live in the West you have the cost of living putting dampers on family starting among other factors.
Guess what goes up must come down due to space and resource limitation.
War, disaster, famine and crime will do its work naturally.
It's more down to education (contraception plus both parents working) and economic suppression. Part of the reason populations are growing is because there is less war, famine and crime.
In a fully automated society, everyone is in the parasite class category. Demand and need will be drastically different than what we see today.
That implies everyone is of a parasite mentality. Some people keep working even after they retire, or after they become millionaires and have no reason to keep working to earn a living.
To keep working, you need to have a job that meet the need of the population at that time. If everything is being done by robot, there will be no need that can't be done by robot and no job around for human.
Impossible. Humans will always find something to do, even if it doesn't pay them anything more than recognition for something they did.
For small group of people, yes. What about the rest of the population?
Our current population count is well above 7B, there is no sign of it slowing down.
Yep, many things point towards population decline or at the very least stabilisation, especially as nations become more developed. And if you're lucky enough to live in the West you have the cost of living putting dampers on family starting among other factors.
Guess what goes up must come down due to space and resource limitation.
War, disaster, famine and crime will do its work naturally.
A new Swedish study shows that violent crime and drug abuse is not caused by poverty, but rather by genetics. There is a correlation but no causality between poverty and violent crime/drug abuse.
If these familys are the fat useless people that procreate, then some genetic manipulation might take care of the problem.
http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21613303-disturbing-study-link-between-incomes-and-criminal-behaviour-have-and
http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/early/2014/08/14/bjp.bp.113.136200.abstract
If these familys are the fat useless people that procreate, then some genetic manipulation might take care of the problem.
http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21613303-disturbing-study-link-between-incomes-and-criminal-behaviour-have-and
http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/early/2014/08/14/bjp.bp.113.136200.abstract
Genetics surely plays a role just as different races have slightly different physiological attributes, but raise a kid in Nigeria (or shit UK state schools for that matter) and he'll be in a more violent environment. Let's look at what predominantly causes violence and also epigenetic changes (child abuse).
I really do not understand this bias towards using science to remove responsibility from individuals. By this studies results I guess all those no go areas of London just happen to be impoverished and ignorant?
The fat and useless are only that way because they are enabled by the state stealing other people's resources.
People can play with their genes if they want to voluntarily, but that sounds too close to eugenics for my taste.
A new Swedish study shows that violent crime and drug abuse is not caused by poverty, but rather by genetics.
I always thought it was caused by culture. There are poor people all over China, and it seems ok, and rich people all over Wall Street, and they're nucking futs!
A new Swedish study shows that violent crime and drug abuse is not caused by poverty, but rather by genetics. There is a correlation but no causality between poverty and violent crime/drug abuse.
If these familys are the fat useless people that procreate, then some genetic manipulation might take care of the problem.
http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21613303-disturbing-study-link-between-incomes-and-criminal-behaviour-have-and
http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/early/2014/08/14/bjp.bp.113.136200.abstract
If these familys are the fat useless people that procreate, then some genetic manipulation might take care of the problem.
http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21613303-disturbing-study-link-between-incomes-and-criminal-behaviour-have-and
http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/early/2014/08/14/bjp.bp.113.136200.abstract
In a fully automated society, everyone is in the parasite class category. Demand and need will be drastically different than what we see today.
That implies everyone is of a parasite mentality. Some people keep working even after they retire, or after they become millionaires and have no reason to keep working to earn a living.
To keep working, you need to have a job that meet the need of the population at that time. If everything is being done by robot, there will be no need that can't be done by robot and no job around for human.
Impossible. Humans will always find something to do, even if it doesn't pay them anything more than recognition for something they did.
For small group of people, yes. What about the rest of the population?
They will get fat from lethargy, and die young of heart complications, or suicides from boredom and depression due to feeling useless. Plus lazy fat people who have no drive or interest in anything are not sexy at all, so they probably will not procreate either.
So not much different to what we have now? Except I still see many fat useless people procreating with each other.
If they can do that without living off my stolen money, great!
In a fully automated society, everyone is in the parasite class category. Demand and need will be drastically different than what we see today.
That implies everyone is of a parasite mentality. Some people keep working even after they retire, or after they become millionaires and have no reason to keep working to earn a living.
To keep working, you need to have a job that meet the need of the population at that time. If everything is being done by robot, there will be no need that can't be done by robot and no job around for human.
Impossible. Humans will always find something to do, even if it doesn't pay them anything more than recognition for something they did.
For small group of people, yes. What about the rest of the population?
They will get fat from lethargy, and die young of heart complications, or suicides from boredom and depression due to feeling useless. Plus lazy fat people who have no drive or interest in anything are not sexy at all, so they probably will not procreate either.
In a fully automated society, everyone is in the parasite class category. Demand and need will be drastically different than what we see today.
That implies everyone is of a parasite mentality. Some people keep working even after they retire, or after they become millionaires and have no reason to keep working to earn a living.
To keep working, you need to have a job that meet the need of the population at that time. If everything is being done by robot, there will be no need that can't be done by robot and no job around for human.
Impossible. Humans will always find something to do, even if it doesn't pay them anything more than recognition for something they did.
For small group of people, yes. What about the rest of the population?
Our current population count is well above 7B, there is no sign of it slowing down.
Yep, many things point towards population decline or at the very least stabilisation, especially as nations become more developed. And if you're lucky enough to live in the West you have the cost of living putting dampers on family starting among other factors.
In a fully automated society, everyone is in the parasite class category. Demand and need will be drastically different than what we see today.
That implies everyone is of a parasite mentality. Some people keep working even after they retire, or after they become millionaires and have no reason to keep working to earn a living.
To keep working, you need to have a job that meet the need of the population at that time. If everything is being done by robot, there will be no need that can't be done by robot and no job around for human.
Impossible. Humans will always find something to do, even if it doesn't pay them anything more than recognition for something they did.
For small group of people, yes. What about the rest of the population?
Our current population count is well above 7B, there is no sign of it slowing down.
In a fully automated society, everyone is in the parasite class category. Demand and need will be drastically different than what we see today.
That implies everyone is of a parasite mentality. Some people keep working even after they retire, or after they become millionaires and have no reason to keep working to earn a living.
To keep working, you need to have a job that meet the need of the population at that time. If everything is being done by robot, there will be no need that can't be done by robot and no job around for human.
Impossible. Humans will always find something to do, even if it doesn't pay them anything more than recognition for something they did.
For small group of people, yes. What about the rest of the population?
Our current population count is well above 7B, there is no sign of it slowing down.
Values considerations come from the minds of the human individuals.
All value is created by humans using the mind, the nature and capital (which can be considered semi-finished consumer goods).
All wealth creation is for consumption.
Everything of value that can be brought to the market, has economic value.
Wealth created for an individuals own use, is also economic value, but there is a limit. Think of Robinson Crusoe (without his knife).
Wealth created by individuals for others is greater due to the division of labour and effective use of capital.
Wealth created by associations can be more effective because of division of labour and capital. And, an association can make things that are impossible for individuals to make.
Labour has the same price in all industries (individuals with skills can have a higher price).
Every trade in the free market, including work for money, distribution of goods, creates more wealth after the trade (else the trade would not have happened)
In light of this, robots are just capital, that has the potential to increase division of labour and therefore the productivity of labour. The consideration is the cost of the robot, what it can do, compared to the cost of mindpower, and what it can do.
There is no technology takeover.
All value is created by humans using the mind, the nature and capital (which can be considered semi-finished consumer goods).
All wealth creation is for consumption.
Everything of value that can be brought to the market, has economic value.
Wealth created for an individuals own use, is also economic value, but there is a limit. Think of Robinson Crusoe (without his knife).
Wealth created by individuals for others is greater due to the division of labour and effective use of capital.
Wealth created by associations can be more effective because of division of labour and capital. And, an association can make things that are impossible for individuals to make.
Labour has the same price in all industries (individuals with skills can have a higher price).
Every trade in the free market, including work for money, distribution of goods, creates more wealth after the trade (else the trade would not have happened)
In light of this, robots are just capital, that has the potential to increase division of labour and therefore the productivity of labour. The consideration is the cost of the robot, what it can do, compared to the cost of mindpower, and what it can do.
There is no technology takeover.
Interesting points, could not have put them better myself.
Values considerations come from the minds of the human individuals.
All value is created by humans using the mind, the nature and capital (which can be considered semi-finished consumer goods).
All wealth creation is for consumption.
Everything of value that can be brought to the market, has economic value.
Wealth created for an individuals own use, is also economic value, but there is a limit. Think of Robinson Crusoe (without his knife).
Wealth created by individuals for others is greater due to the division of labour and effective use of capital.
Wealth created by associations can be more effective because of division of labour and capital. And, an association can make things that are impossible for individuals to make.
Labour has the same price in all industries (individuals with skills can have a higher price).
Every trade in the free market, including work for money, distribution of goods, creates more wealth after the trade (else the trade would not have happened)
In light of this, robots are just capital, that has the potential to increase division of labour and therefore the productivity of labour. The consideration is the cost of the robot, what it can do, compared to the cost of mindpower, and what it can do.
There is no technology takeover.
All value is created by humans using the mind, the nature and capital (which can be considered semi-finished consumer goods).
All wealth creation is for consumption.
Everything of value that can be brought to the market, has economic value.
Wealth created for an individuals own use, is also economic value, but there is a limit. Think of Robinson Crusoe (without his knife).
Wealth created by individuals for others is greater due to the division of labour and effective use of capital.
Wealth created by associations can be more effective because of division of labour and capital. And, an association can make things that are impossible for individuals to make.
Labour has the same price in all industries (individuals with skills can have a higher price).
Every trade in the free market, including work for money, distribution of goods, creates more wealth after the trade (else the trade would not have happened)
In light of this, robots are just capital, that has the potential to increase division of labour and therefore the productivity of labour. The consideration is the cost of the robot, what it can do, compared to the cost of mindpower, and what it can do.
There is no technology takeover.
In a fully automated society, everyone is in the parasite class category. Demand and need will be drastically different than what we see today.
That implies everyone is of a parasite mentality. Some people keep working even after they retire, or after they become millionaires and have no reason to keep working to earn a living.
To keep working, you need to have a job that meet the need of the population at that time. If everything is being done by robot, there will be no need that can't be done by robot and no job around for human.
Impossible. Humans will always find something to do, even if it doesn't pay them anything more than recognition for something they did.
In a fully automated society, everyone is in the parasite class category. Demand and need will be drastically different than what we see today.
That implies everyone is of a parasite mentality. Some people keep working even after they retire, or after they become millionaires and have no reason to keep working to earn a living.
To keep working, you need to have a job that meet the need of the population at that time. If everything is being done by robot, there will be no need that can't be done by robot and no job around for human.
the thing about machines is someone has to maintain it. i used to work a job where i was the guy in a parking garage who took your money. then a machine got brought it (Automated payment at automatic gate) and then i became a valet parking guy, who also had to now fix that god damn machine because it broke every 45 minutes of every day. god that job sucked haha but either way. for every machine invented a job field is created for technicians of those machines, until machines start to repair themselves, which requires self awareness. and then we have bigger problems on our hands.
Yeah of course, but think about 2114. You are delusional as hell if you think automated machines will not have automated most of the jobs and you are delusional to think they will break easily. You are also delusional if you think "eureka! it's all solved, lets make all unemployed people machine-repairers", because not everyone is genetically blessed to learn electronics and how to understand and solve mechanical/electronic problems to fix the machines. TONS of people will be left behind without shit nothing to do. In other words: Monetary system will de facto collapse.
It's hard to imagine what people will be like in the future. There have always been tugs of war between the productive and parasite classes. I can't imagine that it could be any worse than our current situation, with constant subsidy of others.
In a fully automated society, everyone is in the parasite class category. Demand and need will be drastically different than what we see today.
Everyone and no-one, with no need (or rather ability enabled by the state) to leech off of productive individuals, wealth confiscation would be irrelevant. But yes, demand and need could be totally different.
I don't know how many of you guys enjoy sci-fi, but I can't help but think of the short story- the Withering Shere, or the Dwindling Sphere (can't remember exactly). Not exactly the most logical of short stories, but certainly has relevant themes to what we are discussing.
In a fully automated society, everyone is in the parasite class category. Demand and need will be drastically different than what we see today.
That implies everyone is of a parasite mentality. Some people keep working even after they retire, or after they become millionaires and have no reason to keep working to earn a living.
the thing about machines is someone has to maintain it. i used to work a job where i was the guy in a parking garage who took your money. then a machine got brought it (Automated payment at automatic gate) and then i became a valet parking guy, who also had to now fix that god damn machine because it broke every 45 minutes of every day. god that job sucked haha but either way. for every machine invented a job field is created for technicians of those machines, until machines start to repair themselves, which requires self awareness. and then we have bigger problems on our hands.
Yeah of course, but think about 2114. You are delusional as hell if you think automated machines will not have automated most of the jobs and you are delusional to think they will break easily. You are also delusional if you think "eureka! it's all solved, lets make all unemployed people machine-repairers", because not everyone is genetically blessed to learn electronics and how to understand and solve mechanical/electronic problems to fix the machines. TONS of people will be left behind without shit nothing to do. In other words: Monetary system will de facto collapse.
It's hard to imagine what people will be like in the future. There have always been tugs of war between the productive and parasite classes. I can't imagine that it could be any worse than our current situation, with constant subsidy of others.
In a fully automated society, everyone is in the parasite class category. Demand and need will be drastically different than what we see today.
You know the saying "Time is money?" As long as time exists, money will exist. Even if everything you could ever want is provided for you, someone will always want it provided to them faster, or be the first in line to get it.
Who defines the value correlation between them,
Same people who decide the correlation between bitcoins and dollars: traders on the market. Someone will say I will pay $ to get this cool thing first, and someone else will say they'll pay $+1.
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