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Topic: Technology vs. Marketing. Which is more important? - page 3. (Read 6474 times)

legendary
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I was oblivious that there was even a Doge meme circulating through society in 2013.

Perhaps that may of been what you were missing from the equation. http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/doge


We will agree to disagree that micro tipping had a great affect as to the success of Dogecoin. I maintain my opinion that it didn't have much to do with its success, although I suppose it couldn't of hurt. The dogetipbot is popular on places like Reddit.. where Dogecoin initially took off.
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So is that the approved standard for how we should post "off topic" material by reducing it to 8pt font as you have done?

Just wanna be sure I learn the proper method from the Self-proclaimed overly-prolific Board Police.

If so, then you are a sad little man
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Peachy this is for you...

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Anyway, how is he the lead dev of anything? Probably the only guy in cryptocurrency more guilty of vaporware than you Smiley

I resent that demotion.  Cheesy
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Not bad for a guy who was coding with a 120 dB karaoke in his ear 24 x 7 and had dysentery weekly due to squalor.

120 dB 24/7 will not only create a damage to your hearing, but your brain will restructure trying to prevent the hearing loss, and becomes weaker processing other signals.

I didn't refer to a decibel table before making that comment (in as rush and deflecting flame wars rapid-fire), and I forget off hand which levels relate to threshold of pain (134 dB?) and other levels, so I just picked a number quickly that reflects that it was very loud.

I suppose I exaggerated (decibel scale is logarithmic as you know and so one needs to be careful as 6 dB is a significant change). Maybe 110 - 117 dB outside. Perhaps 105+ dB inside (estimating). Yeah it was bad. It wasn't every day, but sometimes it was 24 x 7 for the entire weekend and then sporadically during the week. Incredibly annoying. And yeah I noticed I am very sensitive to noise now (can't process any information at all when there is significant noise, unless I am very very deep in concentration mode).

Not only that but I saw my underwear on my neighbor (people often walked around in their briefs in our squalor locale because the hand pump water well was where people showered) and if I turned my head while eating, my spoon was gone. It was hell. But not as hell as acute peptic ulcer which is literally going to visit hell. Burning from the inside (acid leaking onto all your internal organs) is an intimate experience with the underworld. You will literally wish you could die and contemplate that in hell you can't ever die to stop the pain beyond any words can describe. I did. Look I played tackle football. I have played with broken bones. I can handle some pain. But burning from the inside is indescribable. Three days of that nonstop pain, then several  more days of feeling like I wanted to get out of my own skin (that was more horrible than the excruciating pain). Two times they gave me morphine and I floated in heaven for 3 hours, then I could hear the pain train coming from a distance. Here in the Philippines, they do not give pain meds. I had to beg the doctor for it over and over. She (resident doctor on the floor) finally relented because I am a foreigner. I tried to go as long as I could before the second morphine trip. But then I heard the lady wailing dying of breast cancer down the hall without morphine, I gained some perspective. Any one doubts my story contact Dr. Alcasid at Adventist Hospital, Davao (May 2012).

P.S. my abdomen is burning just very slightly right now (nothing painful just annoying and signals fatigue or headache coming later). Welcome to my reality 3.5 years hence  Sad Or if you mean the karaoke & squalor, 20 years hence. And I deserve it because I made my own choices.
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Not bad for a guy who was coding with a 120 dB karaoke in his ear 24 x 7 and had dysentery weekly due to squalor.

120 dB 24/7 will not only create damage to your ears, but your brain will restructure trying to prevent the hearing loss, and becomes weaker processing other signals.
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Furthermore I'm not going to detail any marketing strategies I'm working here in a post to prove a point.  You'll have it all soon enough.

And then you wrote in your prior message that are asking me to detail at least one of my specific marketing ideas (when I have already done so up thread), and then you edited your post (before I could quote it because I clicked to the next page and came back) to remove that statement when you realized it doesn't reflect well on you and exemplifies the duplicity of your ethics. Haha. You and your eMunie cohort Peachy are just trolling.

You are so confident in your marketing plans, that you need to worry about whether I have any influence on the forum.  Roll Eyes

OK, the fact that you are now fabricating stories of me editing posts to "cover up" some conspiracy you've concocted is about all I'm going to tolerate.

Ignore for you, and I'm signing off.

You are lying. I don't forget what I read.

Can we ask Theymos to check the logs?

You wrote something like, "Just for once can you throw up a scrap and tell us your idea for marketing". You continued on and it was clear you were trying to frame it as if I never share.
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Back on topic...

Fuserleer pretty much hit the nail on the head. Dogecoin is like the anti-Anonymint. Dogecoin's success has nothing to do with the underlying technology it is based on. Dogecoin made cryptocurrency fun, funny, and relate-able.

That fun happened without any features (technology) whatsoever eh?

Micro-tipping (per my upthread post apparently a voting gift culture, not an economic meme) was not at all important to the perception of Dogecoin being fun to participate in?

To nail something you need to also understand the details that were required. We can all say Bitcoin is fun, but it depends what we mean by fun.

To be more specific, I think what you and Fuserleer mean to say is that the Doge users were enjoying the sense of community spirit from a confluence of attributes, including the ability to vote up (tip) people on social networks and the festive/carefree/creative/cute dog atmosphere surrounding the community.

Again I see a fundamental generative essence of HOPE in that, but I also commend you[Fuserleer] (it can't be ascertained if you had this idea or you were bluffing and picked up on Fuserleer's fun idea) stating that interactive, gift culture oriented, creativity-themed fun is more specific than a general notion that it taps the human need for HOPE (or belief in something better). Everyone loves to have fun. But fun means different things to different people. For me, fun can be dancing or engaging in vigorous sports. I have observed that many of the youth want to do what I tend to think of as frivolous or irrelevant fun (in other words not so fun for me in my older age, although sometimes I relate). For example, all that community sharing and creativity I tend to think of as time waster, but then when I sit down with my gf and watch her scroll her timeline on Facebook, I become also interested in all the diverse stuff going on. So I guess it is an acquired habit. The youth are on their phones 24  x 7.

Comparing the first Dogecoin conference to a Bitcoin conference... people were dressed in costumes like a comic con, there was a decentralized dance party, and people were generally there to have fun (rather than network and talk about the technology like what is done at Bitcoin conferences.) Dogecoin is all about having fun, which happens to introduce people to decentralized cryptocurrency at the same time. Tying itself to the internet sensation that is Doge catapulted the awareness, adoption, and price of Dogecoin.

I remember the Ape who showed up at my high school house party and I escorted him to the dance floor! Yeah okay I agree. Partying is fun (although I haven't been able to enjoy my life lately due to pain/fatigue of chronic illness). Yet I remember what it was like.

It was also at the right place at the right time, which is perhaps the greatest reason for its success. It was a perfect storm of multiple factors. It was released towards the peak of the popularity of the Doge meme and size of the Doge community. It was released towards the peak of Bitcoin's awareness in the media. It was released towards the peak of the number of cryptocurrency speculators entering the market. Because of that initial influx of speculators, it now has a wide reaching network effect and a large community of supporters that will (IMO) carry it into the future. It is here to stay.

I was oblivious that there was even a Doge meme circulating through society in 2013.

Which part of the confluence is repeatable and sustainable?

Was there any value in the gift culture voting of micro-tipping and the fun that created to pass those tokens around instead of just clicking "Like" when ever you feel like it with no limit on how many times you can do it?

Upthread someone was claiming there is some lasting effect or value in Doge's marketing theme. So what is that? Is it still fun to use Doge? Why?
legendary
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Furthermore I'm not going to detail any marketing strategies I'm working here in a post to prove a point.  You'll have it all soon enough.

And then you wrote in your prior message that are asking me to detail at least one of my specific marketing ideas (when I have already done so up thread), and then you edited your post (before I could quote it because I clicked to the next page and came back) to remove that statement when you realized it doesn't reflect well on you and exemplifies the duplicity of your ethics. Haha. You and your eMunie cohort Peachy are just trolling.

You are so confident in your marketing plans, that you need to worry about whether I have any influence on the forum.  Roll Eyes

OK, the fact that you are now fabricating stories of me editing posts to "cover up" some conspiracy you've concocted is about all I'm going to tolerate.

Ignore for you, and I'm signing off.
sr. member
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Furthermore I'm not going to detail any marketing strategies I'm working here in a post to prove a point.  You'll have it all soon enough.

And then you wrote in your prior message that are asking me to detail at least one of my specific marketing ideas (when I have already done so up thread), and then you edited your post (before I could quote it because I clicked to the next page and came back) to remove that statement when you realized it doesn't reflect well on you and exemplifies the duplicity of your ethics. Haha. You and your eMunie cohort Peachy are just trolling.

You are so confident in your marketing plans, that you need to worry about whether I have any influence on the forum.  Roll Eyes
legendary
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Every time you spam, I am going to make sure I put the name of your coin in, so the brains of readers can come to associate eMunie with strife and wasted time. Marketing anyone?

Please do, brand recognition Smiley

So 33 (42%) of the 79 post in this thread are by you so who's derailing this thread with useless discussion?

We were having a great discussion in this thread. And yes I was contributing. And now we've added a dozen posts replying to your and your eMunie lead developer's attempt to turn the thread into a personal attack against me.

Congrats. The smart people are I am sure aware of your behavior.

I'll take your avoidance of answering the simple question I asked, so as to perhaps form an elevated understanding of marketing, as evidence that you have nothing to share.

sr. member
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So 33 (42%) of the 79 post in this thread are by you so who's derailing this thread with useless discussion?

We were having a great discussion in this thread. And yes I was contributing/participating. And now we've added a dozen posts replying to you and your eMunie lead developer's attempt to turn the thread into a personal attack against me.

Congrats. The smart people are I am sure aware of your focus on wasteful activities.
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So 33 (42%) of the 79 post in this thread are by you so who's derailing this thread with useless discussion?
legendary
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All developers here have been on similar quests, weeks, months, years researching, trialing and rejecting ideas.  We don't expect any pat on the back for it, its hidden in the shadows, forgotten, rejected, useless.

Good. So what is your point? You've done nothing then too by that criteria.  Tongue

Why are you spamming and derailing this thread with off topic discussion?

Can you please answer the real question of my post instead of diverting?  I believe its on topic and as far as I know, I've made 2 posts at most in this thread that could perhaps be considered off-topic.

What peachy posts is up to peachy, I'm not his or anyone's "boss", and I'm certainly not going to attempt to influence his right to free speech just as I wouldn't anyone else's, regardless of if they were a supporter of the project or not.  If that reflects badly on me then so be it.
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All developers here have been on similar quests, weeks, months, years researching, trialing and rejecting ideas.  We don't expect any pat on the back for it, its hidden in the shadows, forgotten, rejected, useless.

Good. So what is your point? You've done nothing then too by that criteria.  Tongue

Why are you and your Munie cohort Peachy spamming and derailing this thread with off topic discussion?

Every time you spam, I am going to make sure I put the name of your coin in, so the brains of readers can come to associate eMunie with strife and wasted time. Marketing anyone?
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Thanks for reaffirming how low forum members can stoop. You dredge up off topic personal details.

...I couldn't even afford meat. I was eating salt & rice. ... In 1995, left an $80,000 salary and $1.2 million in stock options because of stupid love for a girl who later was instrumental in me losing the vision in my right eye (and likely one of the causes of my current chronic illness).

How again is any of that relevant to "Technology vs. Marketing"

Precisely. Why are you forcing me to respond to allegations about my personal life in this thread? Why are YOU derailing the thread.

Your behavior does not reflect well on Fuserleer's eMunie, since it is quite clear you are one of the insiders/investors (or otherwise closely affiliated). Fuserleer should reign you in. I would not tolerate you being affiliated with my work and doing that behavior to anyone, including to my competitors. It extremely immature and selfish. You are forcing all the readers here to slog through your off topic hate for me. Take your hate for me to an appropriate venue.

It is quite clear that you are insecure that I might have more influence over readers and you are thinking eMunie is not being treated fairly. And you blame me for that. So instead of dealing with that in a mature way, you decide to go 5 years old mode. Congrats.

Much like this "on topic" gem from your OWN thread about your hot coin idea:

Note my feces is still alternating between pale brown and dark brown, so the bile obstruction appears to be inconsistent.

How on earth is THAT on-topic unless your coin truly is a piece of shit borne from your own ass?  Cheesy

Why are you quoting from my thread (where I can talk about what ever I want, no one is forced to read my thread) to a thread which neither of us started and is supposed to be on topic discussion of the thread title and OP.

You've blown a fuse. Go count to 10 and take your meds.
legendary
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I am a person who believes in "Just Do It".

Says the guy who has "done nothing" but whine on this board ad nauseam

That is an egregious lie. I have expended enormous effort researching and developing a wide range of fundamental technological issues including but not limited to:

  • anonymity from all different angles
  • PoW hashes invented including memory hard and AES-NI variants
  • an entire thread explaining decentralization and the CAP theorem

In addition to other herculean accomplishments in my past:

now lives hand-to-mouth off the charity of his girlfriend

I provide the finances of my gf. She is very charitable in the way she helps me around the house and daily matters that would consume hours of my time otherwise.

Thanks for reaffirming how low forum members can stoop. You dredge up off topic personal details.

Btw, I have lived hand-to-mouth when I created CoolPage from a Nipa Hut. I couldn't even afford meat. I was eating salt & rice. I am not in that deprived scenario yet. And btw, CoolPage was a tremendous success reaching 1% of the internet and generating $500,000 for me (inflation adjust that to well over $1 million). Not bad for a guy who was coding with a 120 dB karaoke in his ear 24 x 7 and had dysentery weekly due to squalor. In 1995, left an $80,000 salary and $1.2 million in stock options because of stupid love for a girl who later was instrumental in me losing the vision in my right eye (and likely one of the causes of my current chronic illness). So back off if you think I am not driven to succeed. I did the impossible with damn fucking slow and unreliable dialup internet connection.

All developers here have been on similar quests, weeks, months, years researching, trialing and rejecting ideas.  We don't expect any pat on the back for it, its hidden in the shadows, forgotten, rejected, useless.

I've accepted that whatever I do, say, or produce you (and others) are going to have an issue with or an opinion on, fair enough.

But for once, for the love of God, I'd like a straight answer if I may.  Think of me as your student.  If your student was wrong, you wouldn't scold him, and not explain why he was wrong, nor give the correct answer.

Give me just one, trivial example of what you would do to market a crypto to the mass market, either a user or a merchant, it matters not which.  If you have so many ideas, then letting a solitary one out of the bag won't hurt and I'm sure if its a good one, you'll get a dose of respect you feel you deserve.

So, explain it to me like I'm five....no....explain it to me like I'm a Cocker Spaniel...
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I would say - if you have the marketing and following in place go with that, seems easier to fix the tech than get marketing going.  I am biased because I work a lot with marketing and social media, including research. 

This is back on topic and yes I agree with that. But also factor in that if the principles only know marketing and don't know how to manage tech, they may fail on the communication barrier between themselves and the programmers.
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Thanks for reaffirming how low forum members can stoop. You dredge up off topic personal details.

...I couldn't even afford meat. I was eating salt & rice. ... In 1995, left an $80,000 salary and $1.2 million in stock options because of stupid love for a girl who later was instrumental in me losing the vision in my right eye (and likely one of the causes of my current chronic illness).

How again is any of that relevant to "Technology vs. Marketing"

Much like this "on topic" gem from your OWN thread about your hot coin idea:

Note my feces is still alternating between pale brown and dark brown, so the bile obstruction appears to be inconsistent.

How on earth is THAT on-topic unless your coin truly is a piece of shit borne from your own ass?  Cheesy
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You should change your handle from TPTB to TL/DR as that's the overwhelming opinion of most when they see one of your long winded diatribes.

The smart people on the forum sends me copious encouragements such as "don't mind the idiots" private messages. You stay with your tribe. I will stay with mine, lol.  Tongue
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I am a person who believes in "Just Do It".

Says the guy who has "done nothing" but whine on this board ad nauseam

That is an egregious lie. I have expended enormous effort researching and developing a wide range of fundamental technological issues including but not limited to:

  • anonymity from all different angles
  • PoW hashes invented including memory hard and AES-NI variants
  • an entire thread explaining decentralization and the CAP theorem

In addition to other herculean accomplishments in my past:

now lives hand-to-mouth off the charity of his girlfriend

I provide the finances of my gf. She is very charitable in the way she helps me around the house and daily matters that would consume hours of my time otherwise.

Thanks for reaffirming how low forum members can stoop. You dredge up off topic personal details.

Btw, I have lived hand-to-mouth when I created CoolPage from a Nipa Hut. I couldn't even afford meat. I was eating salt & rice. I am not in that deprived scenario yet. And btw, CoolPage was a tremendous success reaching 1% of the internet and generating $500,000 for me (inflation adjust that to well over $1 million). Not bad for a guy who was coding with a 120 dB karaoke in his ear 24 x 7 and had dysentery weekly due to squalor. In 1995, left an $80,000 salary and $1.2 million in stock options because of stupid love for a girl who later was instrumental in me losing the vision in my right eye (and likely one of the causes of my current chronic illness). So back off if you think I am not driven to succeed. I did the impossible with damn fucking slow and unreliable dialup internet connection.
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