Topic: Technology vs. Marketing. Which is more important? - page 3. (Read 6400 times)

Perhaps that may of been what you were missing from the equation. http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/doge


We will agree to disagree that micro tipping had a great affect as to the success of Dogecoin. I maintain my opinion that it didn't have much to do with its success, although I suppose it couldn't of hurt. The dogetipbot is popular on places like Reddit.. where Dogecoin initially took off.

So is that the approved standard for how we should post "off topic" material by reducing it to 8pt font as you have done?

Just wanna be sure I learn the proper method from the Self-proclaimed overly-prolific Board Police.

If so, then you are a sad little man

Peachy this is for you...

I didn't refer to a decibel table before making that comment (in as rush and deflecting flame wars rapid-fire), and I forget off hand which levels relate to threshold of pain (134 dB?) and other levels, so I just picked a number quickly that reflects that it was very loud.

I suppose I exaggerated (decibel scale is logarithmic as you know and so one needs to be careful as 6 dB is a significant change). Maybe 110 - 117 dB outside. Perhaps 105+ dB inside (estimating). Yeah it was bad. It wasn't every day, but sometimes it was 24 x 7 for the entire weekend and then sporadically during the week. Incredibly annoying. And yeah I noticed I am very sensitive to noise now (can't process any information at all when there is significant noise, unless I am very very deep in concentration mode).

Not only that but I saw my underwear on my neighbor (people often walked around in their briefs in our squalor locale because the hand pump water well was where people showered) and if I turned my head while eating, my spoon was gone. It was hell. But not as hell as acute peptic ulcer which is literally going to visit hell. Burning from the inside (acid leaking onto all your internal organs) is an intimate experience with the underworld. You will literally wish you could die and contemplate that in hell you can't ever die to stop the pain beyond any words can describe. I did. Look I played tackle football. I have played with broken bones. I can handle some pain. But burning from the inside is indescribable. Three days of that nonstop pain, then several  more days of feeling like I wanted to get out of my own skin (that was more horrible than the excruciating pain). Two times they gave me morphine and I floated in heaven for 3 hours, then I could hear the pain train coming from a distance. Here in the Philippines, they do not give pain meds. I had to beg the doctor for it over and over. She (resident doctor on the floor) finally relented because I am a foreigner. I tried to go as long as I could before the second morphine trip. But then I heard the lady wailing dying of breast cancer down the hall without morphine, I gained some perspective. Any one doubts my story contact Dr. Alcasid at Adventist Hospital, Davao (May 2012).

P.S. my abdomen is burning just very slightly right now (nothing painful just annoying and signals fatigue or headache coming later). Welcome to my reality 3.5 years hence   Or if you mean the karaoke & squalor, 20 years hence. And I deserve it because I made my own choices.

120 dB 24/7 will not only create damage to your ears, but your brain will restructure trying to prevent the hearing loss, and becomes weaker processing other signals.

You are lying. I don't forget what I read.

Can we ask Theymos to check the logs?

You wrote something like, "Just for once can you throw up a scrap and tell us your idea for marketing". You continued on and it was clear you were trying to frame it as if I never share.

Back on topic...


That fun happened without any features (technology) whatsoever eh?

Micro-tipping (per my upthread post apparently a voting gift culture, not an economic meme) was not at all important to the perception of Dogecoin being fun to participate in?

To nail something you need to also understand the details that were required. We can all say Bitcoin is fun, but it depends what we mean by fun.

To be more specific, I think what you and Fuserleer mean to say is that the Doge users were enjoying the sense of community spirit from a confluence of attributes, including the ability to vote up (tip) people on social networks and the festive/carefree/creative/cute dog atmosphere surrounding the community.

Again I see a fundamental generative essence of HOPE in that, but I also commend you[Fuserleer] (it can't be ascertained if you had this idea or you were bluffing and picked up on Fuserleer's fun idea) stating that interactive, gift culture oriented, creativity-themed fun is more specific than a general notion that it taps the human need for HOPE (or belief in something better). Everyone loves to have fun. But fun means different things to different people. For me, fun can be dancing or engaging in vigorous sports. I have observed that many of the youth want to do what I tend to think of as frivolous or irrelevant fun (in other words not so fun for me in my older age, although sometimes I relate). For example, all that community sharing and creativity I tend to think of as time waster, but then when I sit down with my gf and watch her scroll her timeline on Facebook, I become also interested in all the diverse stuff going on. So I guess it is an acquired habit. The youth are on their phones 24  x 7.


I remember the Ape who showed up at my high school house party and I escorted him to the dance floor! Yeah okay I agree. Partying is fun (although I haven't been able to enjoy my life lately due to pain/fatigue of chronic illness). Yet I remember what it was like.


I was oblivious that there was even a Doge meme circulating through society in 2013.

Which part of the confluence is repeatable and sustainable?

Was there any value in the gift culture voting of micro-tipping and the fun that created to pass those tokens around instead of just clicking "Like" when ever you feel like it with no limit on how many times you can do it?

Upthread someone was claiming there is some lasting effect or value in Doge's marketing theme. So what is that? Is it still fun to use Doge? Why?

OK, the fact that you are now fabricating stories of me editing posts to "cover up" some conspiracy you've concocted is about all I'm going to tolerate.

Ignore for you, and I'm signing off.

And then you wrote in your prior message that are asking me to detail at least one of my specific marketing ideas (when I have already done so up thread), and then you edited your post (before I could quote it because I clicked to the next page and came back) to remove that statement when you realized it doesn't reflect well on you and exemplifies the duplicity of your ethics. Haha. You and your eMunie cohort Peachy are just trolling.

You are so confident in your marketing plans, that you need to worry about whether I have any influence on the forum. 

Please do, brand recognition


I'll take your avoidance of answering the simple question I asked, so as to perhaps form an elevated understanding of marketing, as evidence that you have nothing to share.

We were having a great discussion in this thread. And yes I was contributing/participating. And now we've added a dozen posts replying to you and your eMunie lead developer's attempt to turn the thread into a personal attack against me.

Congrats. The smart people are I am sure aware of your focus on wasteful activities.

So 33 (42%) of the 79 post in this thread are by you so who's derailing this thread with useless discussion?

Can you please answer the real question of my post instead of diverting?  I believe its on topic and as far as I know, I've made 2 posts at most in this thread that could perhaps be considered off-topic.

What peachy posts is up to peachy, I'm not his or anyone's "boss", and I'm certainly not going to attempt to influence his right to free speech just as I wouldn't anyone else's, regardless of if they were a supporter of the project or not.  If that reflects badly on me then so be it.

Good. So what is your point? You've done nothing then too by that criteria.  

Why are you and your Munie cohort Peachy spamming and derailing this thread with off topic discussion?

Every time you spam, I am going to make sure I put the name of your coin in, so the brains of readers can come to associate eMunie with strife and wasted time. Marketing anyone?

Precisely. Why are you forcing me to respond to allegations about my personal life in this thread? Why are YOU derailing the thread.

Your behavior does not reflect well on Fuserleer's eMunie, since it is quite clear you are one of the insiders/investors (or otherwise closely affiliated). Fuserleer should reign you in. I would not tolerate you being affiliated with my work and doing that behavior to anyone, including to my competitors. It extremely immature and selfish. You are forcing all the readers here to slog through your off topic hate for me. Take your hate for me to an appropriate venue.

It is quite clear that you are insecure that I might have more influence over readers and you are thinking eMunie is not being treated fairly. And you blame me for that. So instead of dealing with that in a mature way, you decide to go 5 years old mode. Congrats.


Why are you quoting from my thread (where I can talk about what ever I want, no one is forced to read my thread) to a thread which neither of us started and is supposed to be on topic discussion of the thread title and OP.

You've blown a fuse. Go count to 10 and take your meds.

All developers here have been on similar quests, weeks, months, years researching, trialing and rejecting ideas.  We don't expect any pat on the back for it, its hidden in the shadows, forgotten, rejected, useless.

I've accepted that whatever I do, say, or produce you (and others) are going to have an issue with or an opinion on, fair enough.

But for once, for the love of God, I'd like a straight answer if I may.  Think of me as your student.  If your student was wrong, you wouldn't scold him, and not explain why he was wrong, nor give the correct answer.

Give me just one, trivial example of what you would do to market a crypto to the mass market, either a user or a merchant, it matters not which.  If you have so many ideas, then letting a solitary one out of the bag won't hurt and I'm sure if its a good one, you'll get a dose of respect you feel you deserve.

So, explain it to me like I'm five....no....explain it to me like I'm a Cocker Spaniel...

This is back on topic and yes I agree with that. But also factor in that if the principles only know marketing and don't know how to manage tech, they may fail on the communication barrier between themselves and the programmers.

How again is any of that relevant to "Technology vs. Marketing"

Much like this "on topic" gem from your OWN thread about your hot coin idea:


How on earth is THAT on-topic unless your coin truly is a piece of shit borne from your own ass?  

The smart people on the forum sends me copious encouragements such as "don't mind the idiots" private messages. You stay with your tribe. I will stay with mine, lol.  

That is an egregious lie. I have expended enormous effort researching and developing a wide range of fundamental technological issues including but not limited to:

• anonymity from all different angles
• PoW hashes invented including memory hard and AES-NI variants
• an entire thread explaining decentralization and the CAP theorem

In addition to other herculean accomplishments in my past: