Topic: TECSHARE is abusing the trust system - page 4. (Read 1825 times)

You created a bogus flag and got excluded for it. Not because of your non-existent "excellent arguments".

In the last two weeks we have seen the words racist and scammer used in very very poor fashion on the forum.

exactly, also there is no conspiracy, everything I've described above has already happened , another totally flat argument

when they finally respond with excellent arguments, adding them ALL to your distrust list.

by the primary merit source of the DT mafia...

I don't even think his moral(s) are questionable, at least from what he's demonstrated on this forum.  He's a hot-headed troll, yes, but he's not a scammer from what I've seen.  In fact I do recall writing quite a long time ago that I would do business with him if we hadn't butted heads and made such a relationship untenable.  I'm not sure what kind of argument Vod is trying to make here, but I'd certainly like some clarification on the "scammer" aspect of it.

Lobbying to get yourself on DT isn't sinister in and of itself, and we all knew TECSHARE wanted and thinks he deserves to be on it.  I kind of figured he'd end up back on the list eventually, along with OgNasty.

He is not scammer, he is trusted trader but his moral is questionable.

In the last two weeks we have seen the words racist and scammer used in very very poor fashion on the forum. These words have no meaning nowadays because of you people. Open a dictionary or google the proper terms you are looking for.
These are now used for clickbait to gather the uneducated pitchfork mobs. The world has gone to shit in this regard, don't let our forum follow.

[proposes a conspiracy, then criticizes opponent for making up conspiracy theories]

There was never any quid pro quo, or any pattern of it, this is just your projections upon the situation because it serves your goals of punishing me for working to unseat your clown cartel. This is 100% a matter of self preservation of your own authority, which not shored up with an iron nepotist hand, will collapse like a pile of sand when exposed to an actually decentralized DT where people are offered legitimate choices instead of just "with us" or "against us".

The problem is the reciprocal part of those relationships. Adding or removing someone with or without conversation is everyone's personal business. But when a quid pro quo (or retaliatory) pattern develops you can expect raised eyebrows.

Your exaggerations are not helping either, someone might see you as a conspiracy nutjob and consider it a flaw in your judgement.

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I won't go so far as to say this makes him a "scammer," but its pretty dishonest behavior. Its obvious what TS has been doing over the past few months, and its evidenced best by him adding 6 Turkish local board DT1s to his trust list weeks or days after they were added to DT1.

There should really be an open discussion as to whether or not this type of behavior is an acceptable practice for a DT1 member, and as shown by the fact that TECSHARE is now back at -1, its safe to say that the community agrees that its not.

Let's take a look at his include/exclude history according to BPIP:


7/23/2019 9:34:59 PM   TECSHARE (0) trusts by rallier (2)
7/28/2019 3:18:28 AM   TECSHARE (0) no longer trusts by rallier

7/23/2019 9:45:04 PM   TECSHARE (0) trusts PHI1618 (1)

8/2/2019 5:33:52 PM   Matthias9515* (2) trusts TECSHARE
8/2/2019 8:25:25 PM   TECSHARE (0) trusts Matthias9515 (2)

8/4/2019 10:00:19 PM   TECSHARE (0) trusts bobita (2)
8/5/2019 10:07:57 AM   bobita (2) trusts TECSHARE (0)

9/4/2019 4:43:55 PM   TECSHARE (0) trusts Kalemder (1)
9/6/2019 5:32:09 AM   TECSHARE (0) no longer trusts Kalemder (1)
9/6/2019 5:24:47 PM   TECSHARE (0) trusts Kalemder (1)
9/7/2019 2:29:57 AM   Kalemder (1) trusts TECSHARE (0)

9/7/2019 3:50:44 AM   TECSHARE (0) trusts mhanbostanci (2)
9/7/2019 10:13:59 AM   mhanbostanci (2) trusts TECSHARE (0)

*became DT1 at this time

As you can see, Matthias9515 was the only member to trust TECSHARE first, and TS didn't get a reciprocal trust from by rallier or PHI1618. He also added Vispilio to his list, who recently fell off DT1 for not having the minimum requirements. He also did the same thing with WhiteManWhite:

(sometime between 3/31 and 4/6) TECSHARE trusts WhiteManWhite
5/30/2019 2:39:17 PM   WhiteManWhite (2) trusts TECSHARE (0)

Would you trust somebody who goes around adding new DT1s to his trust list despite having no previous interaction with them whatsoever, and who doesn't speak their native tongue? I wouldn't.

I can forgive the new DTs for not really having a respect for or knowledge of how the trust system works, but as TECSHARE is one of the more veteran members of the forum, he should really know better than this by now.

You are supposed to be adding members to your trust list who you _trust_, and who you think do a good job of leaving feedback, not out of hopes that they will reciprocate by adding you to their lists.

Allowing this kind of thing to happen without calling it out sets a dangerous precedent going forward.

These are just some of the people who conspired to create a fake flag against me here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/flag-organized-ethnic-hatred-against-the-turkish-section-timelord2067-5181723
after I exposed their collaboration in this flag thread here: [Flag] DT ring creation discussion / merit abuse / collusion to harm BCT https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/flag-dt-ring-creation-discussion-merit-abuse-collusion-to-harm-bct-5181603

Most of the people in the thread overlooked the fact that their ringleader obtained merits by deception. Then, instead of handing them out to who was promised, handed them out in a criss-cross pattern to bump a select few into DT1/2. From what I can see mhanbostanci is the only one to make it to DT1 and has given me negative trust wall feedback.

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TECSHARE has made a very thinly veiled threat to stalk me unless I remove my *neutral* trust/feedback post (last paragraph and his "PS") in this now archived post:

https://web.archive.org/web/20190908033629/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5181723.msg52379325

It would seem that Tecshare is making good on his thread by throwing his hat into the ring with these collaborators.

My understanding is that the more merits you have the stronger your DT votes are in groups of 250 merits.

Tecshare objektifliği nedeniyle çok uzun süredir benim trust listemde olan, güvenilir ama diğerleri tarafından sistemin dışına itilmiş bir 2011 DT üyesidir. Bu şekilde objektif ve sağlıklı kararlar alabilen üyeleri desteklememiz gerektiğini düşünüyorum ki kendisi de yerel forumda güvendiği üyeleri destekliyor. Sistemi suistimal edenleri engellemenin bir yolu ise, sistemi suistimal etmeyenleri desteklemektir.

Theymos, Tecshare, OgNasty, LoyceV, DarkStar_ güvenilir ve objektif üyelerdir. DarkStar_ DT sistemini bize anlatan ve destekleyen ilk kişidir fakat kendi aramızda kapıştığımız için haklı olarak desteği çekti o ayrı konudur, bunun yanında LoyceV de kısmen objektif davranışlar sergiledi.

Yerelde; EFS, by rallier, bobita ve mhanbostanci güvenilirdir, başka güvenilir üyeler de vardır fakat ya EFS gibi Trust sistemine dahil olmak istemiyorlar ya da kendilerini buraya yazabilecek kadar tanımıyorum.

Globaldeki en güvenilmez üyeler ise; Foxpup ve Lauda’dır.

DT üyelerinin anlık değişimleri buradan takip edilebilir: https://bpip.org/r/dt1changes.aspx

I'd like to add to the open discussion the question whether or not there should be a technical limit to the number of DT1-votes any DT1-member gets. For example: Is it really desirable that a DT1-member without any support from other DT1-members gets to include or exclude many other DT1-members? Or should there be a limit on the "voting power" within DT1 (possibly depending on the number of DT1-inclusions the user has)?

There should really be an open discussion as to whether or not this type of behavior is an acceptable practice for a DT1 member,

I agree with nutildah and DireWolfM14 and I want to add that negative is not appropriate. He is not scammer, he is trusted trader but his moral is questionable.

All three of TMAN, Vod, and OgNasty are forum veterans with good trade histories, and I would tend to trust all three of them (to varying degrees).