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Quote from: Jating on November 14, 2021, 11:50:49 PM

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Djokovic vs Casper Ruud.- I'll probably go win under on this match, under 22.5 as this might be just 2 sets for Djokovic to win.

Tsitsipas vs Rublev - this one could be interesting, Tsitsipas slightly favourite, but I will go with the over 22.5.

under22.5 for Djokovic is risky, it is a first match, and I would not be surprised to see him let down first set, to win second and third, after all it is group stage, and he can let even a win, to qualify for next stage

regarding Tsitsipas and Rublev, over should come, even without third set, with one tie-break

regarding whole tournament, I would be surprised to see Djokovic not taking it in the end

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Quote from: aoluain on November 14, 2021, 05:15:41 PM

It looks like Sinner might get to replace Berrettini if he permanently retires

Can it happen while a tournament is already running? I really don't know about this possibility.

When I saw him walkover, I was quite disappointed not because I lost my bet, but thinking he would make something big here, indeed injuries often make what was targeted to be messed up and that's really unexpected.

Yeah, not sure if Berrettini can be replacement here.

Djokovic vs Casper Ruud.- I'll probably go win under on this match, under 22.5 as this might be just 2 sets for Djokovic to win.

Tsitsipas vs Rublev - this one could be interesting, Tsitsipas slightly favourite, but I will go with the over 22.5.

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Quote from: aoluain on November 14, 2021, 05:15:41 PM

It looks like Sinner might get to replace Berrettini if he permanently retires

Can it happen while a tournament is already running? I really don't know about this possibility.

When I saw him walkover, I was quite disappointed not because I lost my bet, but thinking he would make something big here, indeed injuries often make what was targeted to be messed up and that's really unexpected.

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Next up tonight is Zverev v Berrettini, massive home support for Matteo but he
has not been on top form recently. Anyway I'm going with Matteo.

Watched the match and Berettini was good in first set. Missed a couple of set balls even. Then I missed what happened in the beginning of second set but Berenttini got some injury to abdomen and had to forfeit. As far as I saw nothing happened on the pitch. He just hit a strong forehand and something broke inside. I guess he had some prior injury since he has not played in Paris last week.

Ah unfortunately he has this abdominal issue again which he has had before.

Just watched that first set which was great but as the commentators on
Amazon Prime (Tim Henman and Greg Rusedski) said Matteo plays with
such powerful force, this is the cause of the injury.

It looks like Sinner might get to replace Berrettini if he permanently retires

Definitely sad, yes, obviously always the same setback. But that sometimes also differentiates one world class player from another. The physical health If you look at the three GOATs they have rarely been injured over the course of their careers if you take the total of matches they were able to play without injury Losing because of an injury is always a bummer, not only for the player but also for all the tennis fans.

Of course, it's always sad when players got injured specially during a play like this and we hate someone losing this way. I would say that the big 3 has it's own set of injuries but not to extend that they are going to be out for a long time, except maybe when they are no longer in their prime. Maybe they really take care of their body a lot, or it's their genetics that prevented them from getting injured during the height of their careers.

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Quote from: aoluain on November 14, 2021, 05:15:41 PM

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Quote from: aoluain on November 14, 2021, 03:03:21 PM

Next up tonight is Zverev v Berrettini, massive home support for Matteo but he
has not been on top form recently. Anyway I'm going with Matteo.

Watched the match and Berettini was good in first set. Missed a couple of set balls even. Then I missed what happened in the beginning of second set but Berenttini got some injury to abdomen and had to forfeit. As far as I saw nothing happened on the pitch. He just hit a strong forehand and something broke inside. I guess he had some prior injury since he has not played in Paris last week.

Ah unfortunately he has this abdominal issue again which he has had before.

Just watched that first set which was great but as the commentators on
Amazon Prime (Tim Henman and Greg Rusedski) said Matteo plays with
such powerful force, this is the cause of the injury.

It looks like Sinner might get to replace Berrettini if he permanently retires

Definitely sad, yes, obviously always the same setback. But that sometimes also differentiates one world class player from another. The physical health If you look at the three GOATs they have rarely been injured over the course of their careers if you take the total of matches they were able to play without injury Losing because of an injury is always a bummer, not only for the player but also for all the tennis fans.

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Quote from: Trofo on November 14, 2021, 04:55:49 PM

Quote from: aoluain on November 14, 2021, 03:03:21 PM

Next up tonight is Zverev v Berrettini, massive home support for Matteo but he
has not been on top form recently. Anyway I'm going with Matteo.

Watched the match and Berettini was good in first set. Missed a couple of set balls even. Then I missed what happened in the beginning of second set but Berenttini got some injury to abdomen and had to forfeit. As far as I saw nothing happened on the pitch. He just hit a strong forehand and something broke inside. I guess he had some prior injury since he has not played in Paris last week.

that's gotta be the worst that could have happened to him, he played incredibly throughout the whole season and deserved the spot to play in the Nitto finals and it's also in his hometown Italy but an unlucky injury took that away from him, I hope he gets past this and think for what's next.

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Quote from: aoluain on November 14, 2021, 03:03:21 PM

Next up tonight is Zverev v Berrettini, massive home support for Matteo but he
has not been on top form recently. Anyway I'm going with Matteo.

Watched the match and Berettini was good in first set. Missed a couple of set balls even. Then I missed what happened in the beginning of second set but Berenttini got some injury to abdomen and had to forfeit. As far as I saw nothing happened on the pitch. He just hit a strong forehand and something broke inside. I guess he had some prior injury since he has not played in Paris last week.

Ah unfortunately he has this abdominal issue again which he has had before.

Just watched that first set which was great but as the commentators on
Amazon Prime (Tim Henman and Greg Rusedski) said Matteo plays with
such powerful force, this is the cause of the injury.

It looks like Sinner might get to replace Berrettini if he permanently retires

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Quote from: aoluain on November 14, 2021, 03:03:21 PM

Next up tonight is Zverev v Berrettini, massive home support for Matteo but he
has not been on top form recently. Anyway I'm going with Matteo.

Watched the match and Berettini was good in first set. Missed a couple of set balls even. Then I missed what happened in the beginning of second set but Berenttini got some injury to abdomen and had to forfeit. As far as I saw nothing happened on the pitch. He just hit a strong forehand and something broke inside. I guess he had some prior injury since he has not played in Paris last week.

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Quote from: mv1986 on November 14, 2021, 07:00:38 AM

Nadal and Federer did never specifically mention that they are in for the records, not even when they were holding records or close before that situation. I must confess that I like this about Djokovic. He was saying that grabbing for records puts a lot of mental and emotional pressure on him and is exhausting And I honestly I believe that. Look at how close Serena Williams was to go for the total GS number record. Then she failed over and over again. Was it because she couldn't play tennis anymore? No, it was because the whole world expected her to do it with ease and Djokovic is in the same position, but he will get all those records. I am pretty sure he keeps that level for at least another two full years.

I think Serena Williams is a different case than Djokovic. The last couple of years, a lot of young talents emerged on the Women circuit (without really dominating) and she was getting older and older and started getting injuries. The pressure on her was huge but I think she can cope with that so in my eyes she was not just not anymore at that top level as before.

Well just to a degree because she literally obliterated her opponents on the pitch no matter her age. And it was just like "boom" and she couldn't win anymore. That was odd and a lot about her mental strength and lack of confidence because for some reason she couldn't stand the public pressure anymore. Actually, just keep in mind how she dominated tennis. Who would have thought that out of a sudden she won't be able to win another Grand Slam tournament anymore?

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Quote from: Trofo on November 14, 2021, 07:09:23 AM

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In the Next Gen final Alcaraz beat Korda in 3 sets, really too strong and a serious
#1 contender.

Pretty much as expected all the way trough the tournament, too bad bookies realized that as well and odds on his victories were quite small.

Big guys masters started today with the doubles match, another win for Mektic/Pavic. They looked really sharp from the first point and I expect them to pass the group easy.
Singles start later on with Medvedev opening match. I am expecting another Mevedev - Djokovic final here. Maybe only Zverev could find way to fight for the title. The rest od the pack either does not prefer fast surfaces or have a bit weaker form coming into the tournament.

Yes I just heard a repeat of Medvedev's interview after beating Hurkacz, he was
saying the court is really fast and the point can be won after 2 good shots, now
thats going to be very different for players to
adjust to after a series of slow hard courts.

Next up tonight is Zverev v Berrettini, massive home support for Matteo but he
has not been on top form recently. Anyway I'm going with Matteo.

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Quote from: Trofo on November 14, 2021, 07:09:23 AM

Big guys masters started today with the doubles match, another win for Mektic/Pavic. They looked really sharp from the first point and I expect them to pass the group easy.
Singles start later on with Medvedev opening match. I am expecting another Mevedev - Djokovic final here. Maybe only Zverev could find way to fight for the title. The rest od the pack either does not prefer fast surfaces or have a bit weaker form coming into the tournament.

Daniil Medvedev won the match vs Hubert Hurkacz in 3 sets and it was a difficult victory for him. Hurkacz got the first set at tie-break but then Medvedev took two consecutive sets 6-3 6-4.

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Quote from: mv1986 on November 14, 2021, 07:00:38 AM

Nadal and Federer did never specifically mention that they are in for the records, not even when they were holding records or close before that situation. I must confess that I like this about Djokovic. He was saying that grabbing for records puts a lot of mental and emotional pressure on him and is exhausting And I honestly I believe that. Look at how close Serena Williams was to go for the total GS number record. Then she failed over and over again. Was it because she couldn't play tennis anymore? No, it was because the whole world expected her to do it with ease and Djokovic is in the same position, but he will get all those records. I am pretty sure he keeps that level for at least another two full years.

I think Serena Williams is a different case than Djokovic. The last couple of years, a lot of young talents emerged on the Women circuit (without really dominating) and she was getting older and older and started getting injuries. The pressure on her was huge but I think she can cope with that so in my eyes she was not just not anymore at that top level as before.

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Quote from: aoluain on November 14, 2021, 06:20:41 AM

In the Next Gen final Alcaraz beat Korda in 3 sets, really too strong and a serious
#1 contender.

Pretty much as expected all the way trough the tournament, too bad bookies realized that as well and odds on his victories were quite small.

Big guys masters started today with the doubles match, another win for Mektic/Pavic. They looked really sharp from the first point and I expect them to pass the group easy.
Singles start later on with Medvedev opening match. I am expecting another Mevedev - Djokovic final here. Maybe only Zverev could find way to fight for the title. The rest od the pack either does not prefer fast surfaces or have a bit weaker form coming into the tournament.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on November 13, 2021, 09:36:57 AM

The final highlight of the season, the ATP final, is coming soon.
It's interesting what Djokovic has to say, who wants to win a new, sixth title in this tournament, which will start soon in Turin.

''I needed that break to rejuvenate and get ready for a strong finish to the season," said the world number one.
I haven't played so much as previous years in terms of the amount of tournaments, but I did have a lot of exhausting events that I played, particularly in the Grand Slams," said Djokovic. When I say exhausting, I don't just mean physically but mentally and emotionally.
It was unlike any other year that I've had so far because of the pressure of achievement and the potential of history making.
It took a lot out of me."

It's interesting how much Djokovic is focused on achieving tennis records and proving that he is the greatest tennis player of all time.
I guess that’s one of the reasons why a lot of tennis players and fans don’t like him. What do you think?
Who will be his main competitors in this tournament?

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/59256760

Is it really that interesting that he is so focused on that breaking records as a sportsman? I believe what distinguishes him from others of his calibre (those who can break records) is only the fact that he talks about that stuff very openly. Did anyone have the slightest doubt ever that one of Nadal's goals is to still collectt some GS titles to stay at the top? Or that Federer wasn't hoping to keep the record for weeks as number one in the tennis world? Or that Nadal is still eager to further improve his record in French Open titles such that he will still have that record in 200 years from now? I just find it honest what Djokovic is saying and they actually all want the same: break records and write history.

Maybe Nadal and Federer just wanted to compete when they were just starting this tennis journey and honestly didn't know that they can also surpassed and break records of their own.

Or maybe no one in the media ask them that question, or maybe it was ask, but they didn't give any direct answer? As opposed to Djokovic wherein he was always in the media and even has some fun with it form time to time.

Nadal and Federer did never specifically mention that they are in for the records, not even when they were holding records or close before that situation. I must confess that I like this about Djokovic. He was saying that grabbing for records puts a lot of mental and emotional pressure on him and is exhausting And I honestly I believe that. Look at how close Serena Williams was to go for the total GS number record. Then she failed over and over again. Was it because she couldn't play tennis anymore? No, it was because the whole world expected her to do it with ease and Djokovic is in the same position, but he will get all those records. I am pretty sure he keeps that level for at least another two full years.

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Just watched the final between Shapovalov and Paul, must say that I am very disappointed with Shapovalov. He was better player for the most of the match but had 2 unbelievably bad patches. Both times he lost 12 points in the row after not converting break ball. At the end of the match he had 4:3 and 15:40 on his opponent serve and then went on and lost all the remaining points in the match. That is just mental instability for a guy with serve like his on fast surface.

I dont like Shapovalov he either plays top tennis or really bad one. He mostly plays couple of games good then losses too many at once. If he losses a break in the set its probobly over. He for me cannot reach top 10 he is not capable currently at playing at a big level,like finals or winning them

Wow, I thought that when he won the second set, Dennis will win this tournament.

So that's how the match ended, he has a good lead and then blew everything off. Very inconsistent and for bettors of him, it will be very tough as well.

And as far as I know, he really did play bad for this year and this match probably sums it up.

well said, this match showed how Shapovalov been this whole year, he couldn't defend his title, I think he's still young and still have potential in the future, without forgetting the good run Tommy Paul did in this tournament where he managed to beat Fritz, Murray, Tifaoe and Shapovalov today, he deserved it for sure.

I'm also one of those who thought that Shapovalov will win this tournament. But it was indeed very sad to see him fall short when he has a chance to win this tournament.

I have the game over 22.5 though 1.91 odds, so I will take that win. But seeing him like this the whole year? so much potential of Dennis but probably it's more on the mental aspect of the game.

As mentioned Shapovalov had a mixed year this year and in fairness it was a bit of
a surprise himself and Paul reached the final beating seeded players.

In the end I didnt bet on either. Well done to Paul though, a player who I havent been
much aware of too much this year.

In the Next Gen final Alcaraz beat Korda in 3 sets, really too strong and a serious
#1 contender.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on November 13, 2021, 09:36:57 AM

The final highlight of the season, the ATP final, is coming soon.
It's interesting what Djokovic has to say, who wants to win a new, sixth title in this tournament, which will start soon in Turin.

''I needed that break to rejuvenate and get ready for a strong finish to the season," said the world number one.
I haven't played so much as previous years in terms of the amount of tournaments, but I did have a lot of exhausting events that I played, particularly in the Grand Slams," said Djokovic. When I say exhausting, I don't just mean physically but mentally and emotionally.
It was unlike any other year that I've had so far because of the pressure of achievement and the potential of history making.
It took a lot out of me."

It's interesting how much Djokovic is focused on achieving tennis records and proving that he is the greatest tennis player of all time.
I guess that’s one of the reasons why a lot of tennis players and fans don’t like him. What do you think?
Who will be his main competitors in this tournament?

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/59256760

Is it really that interesting that he is so focused on that breaking records as a sportsman? I believe what distinguishes him from others of his calibre (those who can break records) is only the fact that he talks about that stuff very openly. Did anyone have the slightest doubt ever that one of Nadal's goals is to still collectt some GS titles to stay at the top? Or that Federer wasn't hoping to keep the record for weeks as number one in the tennis world? Or that Nadal is still eager to further improve his record in French Open titles such that he will still have that record in 200 years from now? I just find it honest what Djokovic is saying and they actually all want the same: break records and write history.

Maybe Nadal and Federer just wanted to compete when they were just starting this tennis journey and honestly didn't know that they can also surpassed and break records of their own.

Or maybe no one in the media ask them that question, or maybe it was ask, but they didn't give any direct answer? As opposed to Djokovic wherein he was always in the media and even has some fun with it form time to time.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on November 13, 2021, 09:36:57 AM

The final highlight of the season, the ATP final, is coming soon.
It's interesting what Djokovic has to say, who wants to win a new, sixth title in this tournament, which will start soon in Turin.

''I needed that break to rejuvenate and get ready for a strong finish to the season," said the world number one.
I haven't played so much as previous years in terms of the amount of tournaments, but I did have a lot of exhausting events that I played, particularly in the Grand Slams," said Djokovic. When I say exhausting, I don't just mean physically but mentally and emotionally.
It was unlike any other year that I've had so far because of the pressure of achievement and the potential of history making.
It took a lot out of me."

It's interesting how much Djokovic is focused on achieving tennis records and proving that he is the greatest tennis player of all time.
I guess that’s one of the reasons why a lot of tennis players and fans don’t like him. What do you think?
Who will be his main competitors in this tournament?

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/59256760

Is it really that interesting that he is so focused on that breaking records as a sportsman? I believe what distinguishes him from others of his calibre (those who can break records) is only the fact that he talks about that stuff very openly. Did anyone have the slightest doubt ever that one of Nadal's goals is to still collectt some GS titles to stay at the top? Or that Federer wasn't hoping to keep the record for weeks as number one in the tennis world? Or that Nadal is still eager to further improve his record in French Open titles such that he will still have that record in 200 years from now? I just find it honest what Djokovic is saying and they actually all want the same: break records and write history.

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Just watched the final between Shapovalov and Paul, must say that I am very disappointed with Shapovalov. He was better player for the most of the match but had 2 unbelievably bad patches. Both times he lost 12 points in the row after not converting break ball. At the end of the match he had 4:3 and 15:40 on his opponent serve and then went on and lost all the remaining points in the match. That is just mental instability for a guy with serve like his on fast surface.

I dont like Shapovalov he either plays top tennis or really bad one. He mostly plays couple of games good then losses too many at once. If he losses a break in the set its probobly over. He for me cannot reach top 10 he is not capable currently at playing at a big level,like finals or winning them

Wow, I thought that when he won the second set, Dennis will win this tournament.

So that's how the match ended, he has a good lead and then blew everything off. Very inconsistent and for bettors of him, it will be very tough as well.

And as far as I know, he really did play bad for this year and this match probably sums it up.

well said, this match showed how Shapovalov been this whole year, he couldn't defend his title, I think he's still young and still have potential in the future, without forgetting the good run Tommy Paul did in this tournament where he managed to beat Fritz, Murray, Tifaoe and Shapovalov today, he deserved it for sure.

I'm also one of those who thought that Shapovalov will win this tournament. But it was indeed very sad to see him fall short when he has a chance to win this tournament.

I have the game over 22.5 though 1.91 odds, so I will take that win. But seeing him like this the whole year? so much potential of Dennis but probably it's more on the mental aspect of the game.

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Quote from: Trofo on November 13, 2021, 01:04:13 PM

Just watched the final between Shapovalov and Paul, must say that I am very disappointed with Shapovalov. He was better player for the most of the match but had 2 unbelievably bad patches. Both times he lost 12 points in the row after not converting break ball. At the end of the match he had 4:3 and 15:40 on his opponent serve and then went on and lost all the remaining points in the match. That is just mental instability for a guy with serve like his on fast surface.

I dont like Shapovalov he either plays top tennis or really bad one. He mostly plays couple of games good then losses too many at once. If he losses a break in the set its probobly over. He for me cannot reach top 10 he is not capable currently at playing at a big level,like finals or winning them

Wow, I thought that when he won the second set, Dennis will win this tournament.

So that's how the match ended, he has a good lead and then blew everything off. Very inconsistent and for bettors of him, it will be very tough as well.

And as far as I know, he really did play bad for this year and this match probably sums it up.

well said, this match showed how Shapovalov been this whole year, he couldn't defend his title, I think he's still young and still have potential in the future, without forgetting the good run Tommy Paul did in this tournament where he managed to beat Fritz, Murray, Tifaoe and Shapovalov today, he deserved it for sure.

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Quote from: Joca97 on November 13, 2021, 03:18:56 PM

Quote from: Trofo on November 13, 2021, 01:04:13 PM

Just watched the final between Shapovalov and Paul, must say that I am very disappointed with Shapovalov. He was better player for the most of the match but had 2 unbelievably bad patches. Both times he lost 12 points in the row after not converting break ball. At the end of the match he had 4:3 and 15:40 on his opponent serve and then went on and lost all the remaining points in the match. That is just mental instability for a guy with serve like his on fast surface.

I dont like Shapovalov he either plays top tennis or really bad one. He mostly plays couple of games good then losses too many at once. If he losses a break in the set its probobly over. He for me cannot reach top 10 he is not capable currently at playing at a big level,like finals or winning them

Wow, I thought that when he won the second set, Dennis will win this tournament.

So that's how the match ended, he has a good lead and then blew everything off. Very inconsistent and for bettors of him, it will be very tough as well.

And as far as I know, he really did play bad for this year and this match probably sums it up.

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