TerraGreen Bounty KYC-Scam - changed rules of their bounty and refused payments - page 2.

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Quote from: Aveatrex on July 16, 2019, 05:49:43 PM

I got a notification in my email that I received some TGN tokens at tokpie, which is very strange because I didn't do the KYC Huh

. Those who also transferred their stakes to Tokpie please check if you also got the tokens I'm curious why this is happening since judging from their Telegram chat they are still insisting on bounty hunters to do KYC

Because TGN bounty stakes, being deposited on Tokpie, had become on the second market. Simply saying, Tokpie had passed KYC on TerraGreen so Tokpie users don't need to do it in order to get TGN on their tokpie accounts balances.

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Quote from: rosezionjohn on July 10, 2019, 06:50:20 AM

It appears hunters have the option to sell their bounty stakes for ETH on an exchange. Those who bought those stakes will have to undergo KYC also before they can convert the stakes into tokens.

No, those who bought bounty stakes on Tokpie exchange don't need to upload any documents to get TGN on their tokpie accounts' balances. Actually, today, all of them have received their TGN.
Tokpie has internal KYC procedure only for those traders who buy/sell on more than $25k.

I strongly against any scam accusation in that case, because:

1. Bounty rules can be changed as was stated in the bounty thread.
2. TerraGreen doesn't request KYC in order to avoid paying to hunters otherwise they didn't prolongate kyc procedure on 10 days. But they prolonged it as hunters requested. Proof: https://t.me/terragreencoin/94433
3. TerraGreen Team doesn't hide. Core members pass kyc on icobench https://icobench.com/ico/terragreen and icoholder https://icoholder.com/en/terragreen-28096
They would not do that if they were a scam project.
4. Also, i have never seen a scam project that makes so many publications in good media (check media section here: https://terragreen.io/)

It would be a ridiculous situation if a project like TerraGreen gets scam accusation.

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I got a notification in my email that I received some TGN tokens at tokpie, which is very strange because I didn't do the KYC Huh

. Those who also transferred their stakes to Tokpie please check if you also got the tokens I'm curious why this is happening since judging from their Telegram chat they are still insisting on bounty hunters to do KYC

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Quote from: rosezionjohn on July 14, 2019, 12:37:14 PM

I created this thread in the altcoins discussion board and used the terragreen flag as an example. If you can add more guidelines, please comment.

Great idea to show them that it's indeed possible to put pressure on shitcoin scammers if they try to save costs. If bounty participants would team up after they were scammed to spread negativity about the project and give them bad ratings on Google, FB, Bitcointalk and everywhere, the ICO team would think twice about shady behaviour.
Unfortunately, most bounty hunters feel they have to do everything the "devs" are saying...

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I created this thread in the altcoins discussion board and used the terragreen flag as an example. If you can add more guidelines, please comment.

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Quote from: Aveatrex on July 14, 2019, 07:52:09 AM

I have participated in their signature campaign 1 or 2 weeks and I choose to transfer 50% to tokpie so I can convert them to ETH.Now I can't find the way to sell them anymore and impossible to get the tokens without passing KYC.This is a total rip-off, if anyone makes a flag I'll definitely support it. (Or I should be the one who makes it?)

Sad to hear that you got scammed and yes, it's allowed for you to create a scammer flag because you are affected. Great that finally someone from their bounty is responding here and interested to get this problem solved, hopefully. I've supported your flag as well.

Quote from: bob123 on July 14, 2019, 10:36:26 AM

Quote from: Aveatrex on July 14, 2019, 09:33:29 AM

One little question,should I create another topic myself describing the issue or should I just link this one to the flag?

Generally it is advised to create an thread yourself when starting a flag, but since this one here is very well documented and 1miau is a trusted member, it probably would be the best if you simply link to this one.
A second one would either contain not all the information present here, or would be redundant.

I'd say, link to this one and report back once the flag is created. You got my support.

Since you have confimed to be affected by their KYC-Scam here it's totally fine to link this topic as reference in my opinion.

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Quote from: Aveatrex on July 14, 2019, 10:52:03 AM

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Let's hope future people who consider participating in bounties from them and/or making business with them otherwise will be cautious when doing so.

Yes, let's hope that they will care for their reputation here, having the account marked as scammer on Bitcointalk is never a good thing for a project. If they pay their bounty participants honestly in BTC or ETH they can still get the scammer tag removed. It's up to them now.

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Quote from: Aveatrex on July 14, 2019, 10:52:03 AM

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Let's hope future people who consider participating in bounties from them and/or making business with them otherwise will be cautious when doing so.

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Quote from: bob123 on July 14, 2019, 10:36:26 AM

I'd say, link to this one and report back once the flag is created. You got my support.

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Quote from: Aveatrex on July 14, 2019, 09:33:29 AM

One little question,should I create another topic myself describing the issue or should I just link this one to the flag?

Generally it is advised to create an thread yourself when starting a flag, but since this one here is very well documented and 1miau is a trusted member, it probably would be the best if you simply link to this one.
A second one would either contain not all the information present here, or would be redundant.

I'd say, link to this one and report back once the flag is created. You got my support.

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For reference I'm posting proofs that I have participated in TerraGreen campaign.

Quoted from my personal messages (giving permission to transfer stakes to tokpie)

Quote from: bob123 on July 14, 2019, 08:34:27 AM

If you have participated in it, and have to pass KYC now (which everyone has to do), you are allowed to create a flag type 3 (violated written contract) against them.

One little question,should I create another topic myself describing the issue or should I just link this one to the flag?

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Quote from: Aveatrex on July 14, 2019, 07:52:09 AM

I have participated in their signature campaign 1 or 2 weeks and I choose to transfer 50% to tokpie so I can convert them to ETH.Now I can't find the way to sell them anymore and impossible to get the tokens without passing KYC.This is a total rip-off, if anyone makes a flag I'll definitely support it. (Or I should be the one who makes it?)

If you have participated in it, and have to pass KYC now (which everyone has to do), you are allowed to create a flag type 3 (violated written contract) against them.

Quote from: Aveatrex on July 14, 2019, 07:52:09 AM

I can do it as I don't care about being disqualified at this point... But I'd like to hear some more DT opinions first like you both said.

The DT1 point of view was regarding using an alt account to create a flag.
While this should be allowed (imo) if proven member can confirm that the alt belongs to a user who wants to protect his privacy, we are not sure on that.

You - as an directly affected user - are definitely allowed to create a flag since it would be completely justified and i will happily support it if you do.

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I have participated in their signature campaign 1 or 2 weeks and I choose to transfer 50% to tokpie so I can convert them to ETH.Now I can't find the way to sell them anymore and impossible to get the tokens without passing KYC.This is a total rip-off, if anyone makes a flag I'll definitely support it. (Or I should be the one who makes it?)

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on July 10, 2019, 04:56:48 PM

Definitely. I'm not a bounty hunter, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to be paid in some shitty token that'll be worthless within weeks. That's another thing that surprises me about bounty hunters.

I certainly understand your point of view and I agree with you in some points , but unfortunately not all bounty hunters have the chance to get a place in a bounty campaign that pays BTC or a genuine coin.

Quote from: 1miau on July 13, 2019, 06:13:30 PM

Quote from: bob123 on July 13, 2019, 11:25:12 AM

However, i'd still like to hear the opinion from others regarding this topic.

Same here, if there's another confirmation of an user on DT1 I would ask the KYC-scammed user to create a flag from his alt.

I can do it as I don't care about being disqualified at this point... But I'd like to hear some more DT opinions first like you both said.

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Quote from: bob123 on July 13, 2019, 11:25:12 AM

Quote from: 1miau on July 12, 2019, 04:24:33 PM

But I don't know if that's allowed to create a flag from your alt while your main was scammed. Would you consider that as ok? The only reason is to protect the main from damages like deletion of stakes or doxing because they have the personal data and it's linked to the account.

As far as i understand, this forum does not necessarily distinguish between different accounts.

For example:
1) If one account scams, all known alts will get tagged.
2) Being banned does not mean the account, but the person is banned.

Therefore i would say if an alt creates a flag and some reputable and trusted member does confirm that the alt does belong to an damaged user, it should be fine.

I, for example, trust you. So if you confirm that the alt is from someone who was damaged, i trust that statement and therefore can support that flag in all conscience.

However, i'd still like to hear the opinion from others regarding this topic.

I agree, especially if the use of the main account could lead to damages when the team refuses to pay that account or they have already the personal data and there's a high risk of getting doxed when the main account is known.

Quote from: bob123 on July 13, 2019, 11:25:12 AM

However, i'd still like to hear the opinion from others regarding this topic.

Same here, if there's another confirmation of an user on DT1 I would ask the KYC-scammed user to create a flag from his alt.

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Quote from: 1miau on July 12, 2019, 04:24:33 PM

But I don't know if that's allowed to create a flag from your alt while your main was scammed. Would you consider that as ok? The only reason is to protect the main from damages like deletion of stakes or doxing because they have the personal data and it's linked to the account.

As far as i understand, this forum does not necessarily distinguish between different accounts.

For example:
1) If one account scams, all known alts will get tagged.
2) Being banned does not mean the account, but the person is banned.

Therefore i would say if an alt creates a flag and some reputable and trusted member does confirm that the alt does belong to an damaged user, it should be fine.

I, for example, trust you. So if you confirm that the alt is from someone who was damaged, i trust that statement and therefore can support that flag in all conscience.

However, i'd still like to hear the opinion from others regarding this topic.

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Quote from: 1miau on July 12, 2019, 04:24:33 PM

In their Telegram are some of them complaining and mentioning the Scam Accusation on Bitcointalk but I'm surprised that they don't create a flag. I PMed two of them (I guess shitposters). The first one don't know anything about flags and the second one never replied.

Most of those users don't even know about the scam accusations board or the use of the flag.
They are usually locked up in the bounties section making weekly social media reports. I really appreciate what you have tried to do and i do hope one of the comes up here and creates a flag.

Many have been scammed off in this manner and all they do is complain in the telegram group for months after which they have just gone quiet without reporting anywhere or in the forum.

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Quote from: bob123 on July 12, 2019, 02:15:25 AM

Quote from: 1miau on July 11, 2019, 07:20:48 PM

I'll shoot the users from the German local board a PM again to check this and if all doubts are cleared I'll create a Newbie flag.

I also already considered creating a type1 flag, but we shouldn't do this.

Upon creating a type2 or #3 flag, the following has to be confirmed:

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[...] 3) no existing flag covers this same incident; [...]

Creating a type1 flag now, would cover this incident.

Thanks for the heads up. I agree, it would be better to wait for someone creating a flag type 3. I PMed some users again if they are willing to create a flag from an alt to protect their main.

But I don't know if that's allowed to create a flag from your alt while your main was scammed. Would you consider that as ok? The only reason is to protect the main from damages like deletion of stakes or doxing because they have the personal data and it's linked to the account.

In their Telegram are some of them complaining and mentioning the Scam Accusation on Bitcointalk but I'm surprised that they don't create a flag. I PMed two of them (I guess shitposters). The first one don't know anything about flags and the second one never replied.

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Quote from: rosezionjohn on July 12, 2019, 12:48:13 AM

Quote from: 1miau on July 11, 2019, 07:20:48 PM

Quote from: rosezionjohn on July 10, 2019, 11:04:24 PM

They partnered with this exchange called Tokpie where hunters can trade their weekly/monthly stakes for eth while the bounty is ongoing. That's one option they can do to avoid KYC and still be rewarded (in eth). Those who bought the stakes can then convert it to TGN upon distribution. Anyway, their admin (terragreen) said those buyers aren't required to undergo KYC.

Are you sure how that process is working exactly? We had a few participants in the German local board and that option was mentioned by one of them but only that these conversions to ETH mean that someone has to buy these shitcoin bounty stakes (LOL, honestly, which idiot will buy that?? Cheesy

) and surprise surprise, the option doesn't really work because there are no buyers / the orders are ridiculously low if there are any...

I haven't use that exchange yet (Tokpie), I only read that feature on their site. As you noted, hunters will still have an issue if there are no buyers or if buy orders are very low. Has any of the participants created a flag yet?

Yes their was a trading on this coin from start of the bounty and lot of users have bought and sold their stakes in that site. So i think the tokpie site is genuine but cannot say about TGN token project about it.

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Quote from: 1miau on July 11, 2019, 07:20:48 PM

I'll shoot the users from the German local board a PM again to check this and if all doubts are cleared I'll create a Newbie flag.

I also already considered creating a type1 flag, but we shouldn't do this.

Upon creating a type2 or #3 flag, the following has to be confirmed:

Quote from: 1miau on July 11, 2019, 07:20:48 PM

Unfortunately they are afraid to create a scammer flag because they are feared to get disqualified...
One of them agreed to do it after the payouts (July 17).

Getting disqualified because of that would just be another red flag Cheesy

and would IMO justify a second (type 1) flag.
Does everyone participating there want to send their ID and other personal documents to them ? Is there not a single one who doesn't want to sell his identity for a few bucks Huh

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Quote from: 1miau on July 11, 2019, 07:20:48 PM

Quote from: rosezionjohn on July 10, 2019, 11:04:24 PM

They partnered with this exchange called Tokpie where hunters can trade their weekly/monthly stakes for eth while the bounty is ongoing. That's one option they can do to avoid KYC and still be rewarded (in eth). Those who bought the stakes can then convert it to TGN upon distribution. Anyway, their admin (terragreen) said those buyers aren't required to undergo KYC.

Are you sure how that process is working exactly? We had a few participants in the German local board and that option was mentioned by one of them but only that these conversions to ETH mean that someone has to buy these shitcoin bounty stakes (LOL, honestly, which idiot will buy that?? Cheesy

) and surprise surprise, the option doesn't really work because there are no buyers / the orders are ridiculously low if there are any...

I haven't use that exchange yet (Tokpie), I only read that feature on their site. As you noted, hunters will still have an issue if there are no buyers or if buy orders are very low. Has any of the participants created a flag yet?

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Quote from: rosezionjohn on July 10, 2019, 11:04:24 PM

They partnered with this exchange called Tokpie where hunters can trade their weekly/monthly stakes for eth while the bounty is ongoing. That's one option they can do to avoid KYC and still be rewarded (in eth). Those who bought the stakes can then convert it to TGN upon distribution. Anyway, their admin (terragreen) said those buyers aren't required to undergo KYC.

Are you sure how that process is working exactly? We had a few participants in the German local board and that option was mentioned by one of them but only that these conversions to ETH mean that someone has to buy these shitcoin bounty stakes (LOL, honestly, which idiot will buy that?? Cheesy

) and surprise surprise, the option doesn't really work because there are no buyers / the orders are ridiculously low if there are any...

Quote from: rosezionjohn on July 10, 2019, 06:50:20 AM

EDIT:
It appears hunters have the option to sell their bounty stakes for ETH on an exchange. Those who bought those stakes will have to undergo KYC also before they can convert the stakes into tokens.

Sounds like a "shift the shit to another person" strategy at best. Cheesy

I'll shoot the users from the German local board a PM again to check this and if all doubts are cleared I'll create a Newbie flag. Unfortunately they are afraid to create a scammer flag because they are feared to get disqualified...
One of them agreed to do it after the payouts (July 17).

Quote from: timerland on July 11, 2019, 05:32:49 PM

I'm not sure why people don't demand funds to be escrowed in bounty campaigns the same way they demand sig campaign funds to be escrowed - even if the payment is in the token of the project.

Yes, that would be another great option to prevent unfair moves like from TerraGreen.

Furthermore, it looks like the Devs aren't interested in solving that issue similar to the Livecoin disaster. Sometimes it's so easy to pay honestly but they choose to go the hard way... Roll Eyes

No response from them here, always the same comments on Telegram...
And the best part: they were advertising "NO KYC" in the headline of their bounty campaign. Roll Eyes

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