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Quote from: erikalui on October 08, 2019, 09:20:10 AM

^Oh you're right. I did say they'll easily win. Forgot to add "possibly win". Anyways, I like to lose these bets so I'll again bet on SA this time too.

When i saw that part about an easy win on the final day i made the bet Cheesy

. My advice for the second test is that be cautious as the Pune pitch used to help spinners a lot and then there is the weather issues in the past months that could affect the pitch and i am expecting a spinning track and remember South Africa is not great against spinners and if it is a spinning track then guess what the result could be Wink

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on October 07, 2019, 01:08:42 PM

Come on buddy, you are still rolling Cheesy, i have posted your exact response regarding the match below. I will never respond like i said if you never questioned the declaration and then claim that South Africa could easily chase the total on the final day. England was on a role that time as they have four players in their Test team who have a strike rate of above 100 in ODI, so they can make an attempt to chase the score and if Australia could pick wickets then they will never attempt to chase the score.

I am not expecting any changes in the Test series as India will win the series without much sweat Cheesy

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^Oh you're right. I did say they'll easily win. Forgot to add "possibly win". Anyways, I like to lose these bets so I'll again bet on SA this time too.

SA does have batsmen with a SR of 85-95 and mostly they are young batsmen with less experience but if their wickets had not fallen so rapidly the last day, they could have given a tough fight. Disappointed with their performance as they did not even manage 200 on the last day despite doing well in the first innings.

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Quote from: Indymoney on October 07, 2019, 05:16:21 PM

I was sure about this result because last day is never been easy for batting even you have dead wicket cracks done magic and in India its never been easy to face bowlers like Ashwin and Jadeja South Africa done some good in first inning but fourt inning is never been easy now they are going to face whitewash its my personal feeling lets see how they resist.

The chances were very low for South Africa to stage any sort of an upset. But I was hoping for a better performance from them after the fightback during the first innings. No one expected them to build a total in excess of 400, but they managed it thanks to some great batting by Elgar, Faf du Plessis, Muthusamy and Quinton de Kock.

But what happened in the second innings was really appalling. The South African batsmen were falling like a peck of cards. Only Dane Piedt and Senuran Muthusamy could score respectively and the top order was gone in a matter of few hours. And it should be noted that Kohli was not even using Ashwin most of the time. The next match is scheduled at Pune. Hope they'll learn from their mistakes.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 07, 2019, 10:15:12 PM

But at the same time, it was neither Jadeja nor Ashwin who destroyed the South Africans during the last day of play. The person who was responsible for that was a pacer (Mohammed Shami), who sicked to line and length bowling despite getting much support from the pitch.

Hope you meant that Mohammed Shami bowled well despite not getting much support from the pitch for the fast bowlers, if you look at the dismissals he was accurate enough to bowl the ball exactly in the cracks and that will have an unusual change in trajectory and it is difficult for any batsman to judge if the ball is coming over 130 KMPH.

Quote from: Sithara007 on October 07, 2019, 10:15:12 PM

They way Faf du Plessis got out was apalling. He left a ball that was too close, and it took his off stump away. All the 5 wickets that Shami got were either clean bowled, or LBW. And this was on a track that was as dead as a nuclear testing ground.

The ball was pitching well outside off stump and Faf du Plessis decided to leave the ball and it hit a crack and it swung a lot and took his off stump, you really cannot do anything about it. Sure he could have tried to defended the ball but you will get micro seconds to make a decision and on seeing the ball pitching well outside off side he decided to leave and then how much time he will get to change that decision Cheesy

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Quote from: Indymoney on October 07, 2019, 05:16:21 PM

I was sure about this result because last day is never been easy for batting even you have dead wicket cracks done magic and in India its never been easy to face bowlers like Ashwin and Jadeja South Africa done some good in first inning but fourt inning is never been easy now they are going to face whitewash its my personal feeling lets see how they resist.

Yes... batting can be very difficult on Indian pitches on the 5th day of play. But at the same time, it was neither Jadeja nor Ashwin who destroyed the South Africans during the last day of play. The person who was responsible for that was a pacer (Mohammed Shami), who sticked to line and length bowling despite getting much support from the pitch.

Shami bowled well during the last day, and there is no doubt about that. But things didn't helped when South African batsmen got out after playing poor shots. They way Faf du Plessis got out was apalling. He left a ball that was too close, and it took his off stump away. All the 5 wickets that Shami got were either clean bowled, or LBW. And this was on a track that was as dead as a nuclear testing ground.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on October 07, 2019, 01:08:42 PM

Quote from: erikalui on October 07, 2019, 06:38:18 AM

I did not say easily win the match but rather there is a possibility they can win just like England won the test match with 9 wickets gone and SA already made 400+ runs in the first innings.

Come on buddy, you are still rolling Cheesy

, i have posted your exact response regarding the match below. I will never respond like i said if you never questioned the declaration and then claim that South Africa could easily chase the total on the final day. England was on a role that time as they have four players in their Test team who have a strike rate of above 100 in ODI, so they can make an attempt to chase the score and if Australia could pick wickets then they will never attempt to chase the score.

Quote from: erikalui on October 05, 2019, 09:02:16 AM

SA will easily win this match. Tomorrow's whole day of play and they have Knock and du Plessis who could easily get them the required runs. They should have atleast played till the end of the day and declare tomorrow. Why to declare before reaching 450?

Quote from: erikalui on October 07, 2019, 06:38:18 AM

This is not the end so let's see what will happen in future matches Cheesy

I am not expecting any changes in the Test series as India will win the series without much sweat Cheesy

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I was sure about this result because last day is never been easy for batting even you have dead wicket cracks done magic and in India its never been easy to face bowlers like Ashwin and Jadeja South Africa done some good in first inning but fourt inning is never been easy now they are going to face whitewash its my personal feeling lets see how they resist.

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Quote from: erikalui on October 07, 2019, 06:38:18 AM

I did not say easily win the match but rather there is a possibility they can win just like England won the test match with 9 wickets gone and SA already made 400+ runs in the first innings.

Come on buddy, you are still rolling Cheesy

, i have posted your exact response regarding the match below. I will never respond like i said if you never questioned the declaration and then claim that South Africa could easily chase the total on the final day. England was on a role that time as they have four players in their Test team who have a strike rate of above 100 in ODI, so they can make an attempt to chase the score and if Australia could pick wickets then they will never attempt to chase the score.

Quote from: erikalui on October 05, 2019, 09:02:16 AM

SA will easily win this match. Tomorrow's whole day of play and they have Knock and du Plessis who could easily get them the required runs. They should have atleast played till the end of the day and declare tomorrow. Why to declare before reaching 450?

Quote from: erikalui on October 07, 2019, 06:38:18 AM

This is not the end so let's see what will happen in future matches Cheesy

I am not expecting any changes in the Test series as India will win the series without much sweat Cheesy

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Quote from: uray on October 07, 2019, 09:36:10 AM

I doubt whether India will prepare a wicket that will help the fast bowlers as South Africa have good fast bowlers including Rabada, unless they could find reverse swing it is difficult for them to stop the India players and South Africa does not have quality spinners that could trouble their batsman either, so it is a hopeless series for South Africa, ODI and T20 will be competitive but not test matches.

I still remember one match against West Indies many years ago, when India made a track that favored the spinners. But it worked against them, as the West Indian bowlers got the Indian batsmen out cheaply and the Indian bowlers couldn't do the same against their batsmen. India ended up losing that match. I don't remember much details, as that match occurred many years ago.

Similarly, South Africa has some very talented spinners. Keshav Maharaj has made a huge impression in a relatively short timespan. And from what I have heard, Senuran Muthusamy had some good performances with the ball during the last domestic season. Also, some of their pace bowlers (especially Kagiso Rabada has the ability to perform in relatively flat surfaces).

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Quote from: Haunebu on October 07, 2019, 09:26:06 AM

The only way South Africa could win the next match is if some other bowler supports Maharaj out in the middle by taking wickets regularly (Rabada etc).

I doubt whether India will prepare a wicket that will help the fast bowlers as South Africa have good fast bowlers including Rabada, unless they could find reverse swing it is difficult for them to stop the India players and South Africa does not have quality spinners that could trouble their batsman either, so it is a hopeless series for South Africa, ODI and T20 will be competitive but not test matches.

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Quote from: MFahad on October 07, 2019, 05:00:11 AM

It was mainly possible because of one Indian bowler "Mohammed Shami" who took 5 wickets along with RA Jadeja taking 4 wickets to wrap up the SA 2nd second innings and the match.

Not just because of Shami. It was a team effort orchestrated primarily by Sharma and Agarwal(Batting) and Ashwin, Shami and Jadeja(Bowling). Kohli once again played his cards right and selected the correct bowlers for this match.

The only way South Africa could win the next match is if some other bowler supports Maharaj out in the middle by taking wickets regularly (Rabada etc).

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on October 07, 2019, 02:21:08 AM

It was a funny banter when one of our member said that South Africa will easily chase the score of 390 runs on the final day, no team will chase a score of 280 runs on the final day in India that easily let alone 390 runs and hence i said i will shave my head if they are able to defeat India Cheesy

. Surviving the final day to draw the match in India is a hard task let alone trying to chase the score.

I did not say easily win the match but rather there is a possibility they can win just like England won the test match with 9 wickets gone and SA already made 400+ runs in the first innings. It's not something impossible as I did not feel 400 runs would be enough but due to Jadeja and Shami, India managed to win by 203 runs. As you said in test matches it's tough to chase down so many runs on the last day, I now can believe that but I'm not still over WC's tragedy and Eng's last wicket win lol.

This is not the end so let's see what will happen in future matches Cheesy

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Quote from: Haunebu on October 07, 2019, 02:25:15 AM

This was what impressed me as well. The manner in which Shami bounced back in all formats of the game even with the current personal legal issues that he is dealing with is spectacular and he could replace Bhuvi if he continues bowling in this manner in the long term.

Mohammed Shami proved that he is a master of bowling with the old ball and he is performing really well even during the world cup even though he was the second choice replacement for the injured Bhuvneshwar Kumar. I was not aware of the legal issues he is going through and his wife filed a complaint against him Shocked

. What ever be his personal issues he is performing well for the team which is important as these sort of controversies could end a career.

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Quote from: teosanru on October 06, 2019, 11:38:04 AM

Once again what we want from them is consistency. More importantly on foreign pitches India wants a solid starting duo which slot is pretty empty too. So it's a long way before we declare both these players as permanent openers of this team.

If you look at the statistics in world cricket in Test matches, none of the team have a consistent openers for the past two years, not sure the reason why none of the team have consistent openers, the quality of players are not that great in the opening slot when you compare with the old generation of players. When i saw a good opening partnership with Rohit Sharma and Mayank Agarwal that almost broke many records you will understand that they could perform for a long time. Rohit has already proved his worth as an opener in the shorter format and he can translate that to Test level too.

I agree, things have changed a lot. I don't doubt on the capability of Rohit Sharma but all i am trying to say is that one match on the Home pitches with a good spinning track is not a good parameter to declare him as a good opener. The problem why he didn't used to open in Test was actually because he was bad at playing inswing which happens a lot with a new red ball. We hardly saw such a great swinging deliveries by South Africa, his real test for this slot would be somewhere in Australia or England. and yes no doubt that every team is really having a hard time finding consistent openers. I just rememerb Justin Langer and Mathew Hayden opening consistently for the Indian Team.

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also guys not too many runs are scored in pune, from what i remember there was a pune pitch curator that was caught trying to extend a match a couple of years back im expecting a really spin friendly pitch i think Ashwin Yadav and Jadeja will have a field day

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Quote from: MFahad on October 07, 2019, 05:00:11 AM

It was mainly possible because of one Indian bowler "Mohammed Shami" who took 5 wickets along with RA Jadeja taking 4 wickets to wrap up the SA 2nd second innings and the match.

Mohammed Shami bowled an outstanding spell and took wickets on the dead Indian wickets and as JSRAW pointed out he is a second innings specialist and his bowling average and strike rate in the second innings is incredible.

Quote from: MFahad on October 07, 2019, 05:00:11 AM

The 2nd Test is started on 10 October at Pune and the SA needs to rectify their mistakes and prepare for it.

There is not much to rectify for South Africa with little time and the toss will be a major factor and the only way India can be defeated is if there is an incredible spell of bowling and the Indian batting collapses which is highly unlikely considering the depth of batsman in the Indian line up.

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Quote from: onrise on October 07, 2019, 02:40:33 AM

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South Africa had no chance after losing early wickets, they couldn't put any partnerships together to even try and play for the draw. Ashwin has had an amazing career so far as in this match he tied with Muralitharan for the fastest to 350 wickets which took just 66 test matches. Could we see Ashwin overtake Muralitharan in the next 10 years? With the way he is bowling it wouldn't surprise me to see this happen.

South Africa is not a good team to perform that well in subcontinent wickets and Ashwin bowled really well in the first innings and Jadeja in the second innings but i was impressed with Mohammed Shami in the second innings where he was able to pick 5 wickets in a dead wicket in India and that too in the final day of the match is quite impressive, he was able to land the ball exactly in the cracks in the pitch and was able to extract the advantage and hence he was able to trouble all the batsman and that is how he was able to pick all the wickets is impressive.

I think Indian bowlers came back really strongly after the first innings and this helped them to clinch some quick wickets in second innings which actually helped India to win the test match . Else till 4th day second session match was heading towards the draw likely the way SA team batted in first innings was splendid .

It was mainly possible because of one Indian bowler "Mohammed Shami" who took 5 wickets along with RA Jadeja taking 4 wickets to wrap up the SA 2nd second innings and the match.
SA did play well in the first innings but didn't look comfortable in the 2nd innings. They need to focus on their bowling also because they cannot let India make 400+ runs as it gives too much pressure on their batsmen.

The 2nd Test is started on 10 October at Pune and the SA needs to rectify their mistakes and prepare for it.

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Quote from: Haunebu on October 07, 2019, 02:25:15 AM

He is already a legend in the Indian bowling department and he has the potential to surpass Murali if he continues taking wickets in the long-term.

There is no doubt that Ashwin is one of the best bowlers India had and he has four centuries alongside his haul of wickets and can be considered as an all rounder and if he is able to perform consistently then he might break many records but to perform at the same level for a long time is a big task and when it comes to Murali he is the only bowler who is capable of taking wickets in any pitches around the world and bowled majority of the overs and he is a special talent. Shane Warne and Murali are in a league of their own and no one can compare these two legendary spinners.

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Don't get surprise with Shami's performance, he has a history of taking wickets during the second innings when situation demands. his strike rate confirms this statement. If you want to thanks then give thumbs up to Captain Kohli because sometimes he thinks out of the box and India lose the opportunity Grin

but this time he tossed the ball towards shami. India didn't had much choice though Grin

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Quote from: ene1980 on October 06, 2019, 05:32:06 PM

Quote from: vella85 on October 06, 2019, 04:36:20 PM

South Africa had no chance after losing early wickets, they couldn't put any partnerships together to even try and play for the draw. Ashwin has had an amazing career so far as in this match he tied with Muralitharan for the fastest to 350 wickets which took just 66 test matches. Could we see Ashwin overtake Muralitharan in the next 10 years? With the way he is bowling it wouldn't surprise me to see this happen.

South Africa is not a good team to perform that well in subcontinent wickets and Ashwin bowled really well in the first innings and Jadeja in the second innings but i was impressed with Mohammed Shami in the second innings where he was able to pick 5 wickets in a dead wicket in India and that too in the final day of the match is quite impressive, he was able to land the ball exactly in the cracks in the pitch and was able to extract the advantage and hence he was able to trouble all the batsman and that is how he was able to pick all the wickets is impressive.

I think Indian bowlers came back really strongly after the first innings and this helped them to clinch some quick wickets in second innings which actually helped India to win the test match . Else till 4th day second session match was heading towards the draw likely the way SA team batted in first innings was splendid .

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Quote from: ene1980 on October 06, 2019, 05:32:06 PM

i was impressed with Mohammed Shami in the second innings where he was able to pick 5 wickets in a dead wicket in India and that too in the final day of the match is quite impressive, he was able to land the ball exactly in the cracks in the pitch and was able to extract the advantage and hence he was able to trouble all the batsman and that is how he was able to pick all the wickets is impressive.

This was what impressed me as well. The manner in which Shami bounced back in all formats of the game even with the current personal legal issues that he is dealing with is spectacular and he could replace Bhuvi if he continues bowling in this manner in the long term.

Quote from: Sithara007 on October 06, 2019, 08:02:05 PM

You can't compare Murali with Ashwin (although both of them speak the same language Grin

). Murali was able to perform on any type of surface, while Ashwin got almost 80% of his test wickets in India and Sri Lanka. Murali got most of his wickets against strong sides such as Australia and England, while for Ashwin a large part of the wickets came against teams such as Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.

Wrong. It doesn't matter where a bowler picks wickets. What matters more is what team the wickets are from and Ashwin has consistently taken wickets from high quality sides like Australia to low quality sides. He is already a legend in the Indian bowling department and he has the potential to surpass Murali if he continues taking wickets in the long-term.

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