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Quote from: JSRAW on October 10, 2019, 04:37:18 AM

Yeah, we can say that now Grin

and relieved that playing with one less batsman didn't backfire lol

I would say that it was an intelligent decision to go with 4 full-time bowlers and one all rounder (Jadeja). India can get to 500 plus even with 6 batsmen and they don't need the 7th slot given to players such as Vihari. But as we saw during the first innings of the last test, Indian bowling struggled against experienced South African batsmen. Still, I would have liked Kuldeep in place of the other Yadav.

Umesh is a good bowler, but since this match is being played in India, on average around 70% of the overs will be bowled by the spinners (Ashwin / Jadeja). Therefore we have three bowlers to do 30% of the overs (Ishant, Umesh and Shami), and two bowlers (Ashwin and Jadeja) for the remaining 70% of the overs. I am assuming that it is another spin-friendly track.

Pune's pitch is kind of a flat pitch without much on it for bowler I think which is why India decided to go with 5 bowlers so there could be more bowlers searching for something out of the pitch as all of them have separate strengths. I consider Jadeja a full time batsmen so it's not 6 batsmen I think it's certainly 7 batsmen out of which one is all rounder and not to forget Ashwin can be a great night watchman at times. So India has a lot of batting strength and surely an extra bowler would improve their bowling stats.

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Pranjal says: I think the idea behind including Umesh is giving him game time rather than the pitch. When players are in the squad but don't get matches it deprives them of match experience and that does not do good to the bench strength.

Its a good point but Indian management doing the same "Keeping bench strength in dugout" for so long in the Test Matches. Bhuvi's name comes into my mind.

South Africa using good amount of short balls against the Indians but both the batsmen handled them well.

And Rabada strikes again! End of Pujara's inning, big wicket for Proteas he was looking set.

I think South African bowlers are hardly finding any swing like the ones they have in South Africa which is why they might have just changed their strategy to short balls. India has a reputation of being weak against the short balls. Grin

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 10, 2019, 04:37:18 AM

Yeah, we can say that now Grin

and relieved that playing with one less batsman didn't backfire lol

I would say that it was an intelligent decision to go with 4 full-time bowlers and one all rounder (Jadeja). India can get to 500 plus even with 6 batsmen and they don't need the 7th slot given to players such as Vihari. But as we saw during the first innings of the last test, Indian bowling struggled against experienced South African batsmen. Still, I would have liked Kuldeep in place of the other Yadav.

Umesh is a good bowler, but since this match is being played in India, on average around 70% of the overs will be bowled by the spinners (Ashwin / Jadeja). Therefore we have three bowlers to do 30% of the overs (Ishant, Umesh and Shami), and two bowlers (Ashwin and Jadeja) for the remaining 70% of the overs. I am assuming that it is another spin-friendly track.

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Quote from: Avirunes on October 10, 2019, 04:08:51 AM

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Have anyone heard about the SUN and Ben Stokes incident.

I skipped it... so not sure who is guilty here but Royse and others were talking about this incident somewhere (In cricketing thread).

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Decent start from India today. Pujara and Aggarwal both held it very well. Hope Kohli plays some good innings today and get on for partnership with Aggarwal for a good score. BTW we still have Rahane and Saha lined-up next so it won't be easy for S.A to wrap it quickly.

Yeah, we can say that now Grin

and relieved that playing with one less batsman didn't backfire lol

Unfortunately Pujara got out. ~~on the another hand Mayank is eyeing on 200 runs mark, hopefully he gets there.~~ Damn as i was typing he got out.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 10, 2019, 01:04:20 AM

Indian Media is knowledgeable when it comes to game of cricket but they sucks, always looking for sensational comments. that's what media does all over the world Grin

They just want some spicy headline for readers and watchers to keep their eyes on. There should be borders otherwise they will ruin someone's life one day.

Have anyone heard about the SUN and Ben Stokes incident. It really made me sad and really feel sorry for Ben Stokes when I read it today only. Here is what he tweeted:

(Source: https://twitter.com/benstokes38/status/1173893834377441280)

Decent start from India today. Pujara and Aggarwal both held it very well. Hope Kohli plays some good innings today and get on for partnership with Aggarwal for a good score. BTW we still have Rahane and Saha lined-up next so it won't be easy for S.A to wrap it quickly.

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Quote from: akhjob on October 10, 2019, 01:13:38 AM

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Pranjal says: I think the idea behind including Umesh is giving him game time rather than the pitch. When players are in the squad but don't get matches it deprives them of match experience and that does not do good to the bench strength.

Its a good point but Indian management doing the same "Keeping bench strength in dugout" for so long in the Test Matches. Bhuvi's name comes into my mind.

South Africa using good amount of short balls against the Indians but both the batsmen handled them well.

And Rabada strikes again! End of Pujara's inning, big wicket for Proteas he was looking set.

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India started really well and Agarwal is continuing his form and we might see another century from him, he is a good find for India and i do not understand why they including another fast bowler in Indian pitches when majority of the time they used to make pitches that help the spinners. Not sure we will see another repeat of the first test, if it is a batting pitch then it might end up in a draw.

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Quote from: akhjob on October 10, 2019, 12:56:55 AM

^^ If I remember right O'keefe who sacked India in 2017 was a spinner. And Indian spinners too got most of the wickets of the stats given by previous post by Sithara. So I think the ground favours the spinners.

There was a huge cry when India was struggling against the spin track during that match as India could not score any runs in both the innings and Australia won by a huge margin and the pitch got a bad rating and may be they created a pitch that could favor fast bowling and hence India including a fast bowler instead of a spinner, i wanted to see India adding an extra spinner rather than a fast bowler.

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^ This makes more sense, if the pitch is spin friendly

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Pranjal says: I think the idea behind including Umesh is giving him game time rather than the pitch. When players are in the squad but don't get matches it deprives them of match experience and that does not do good to the bench strength.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on October 10, 2019, 12:25:35 AM

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Umesh Yadav inclusion indicates that this may not be a spin friendly pitch, and that shall boost South Africa’s confidence as the match progresses ahead. There was lots of media speculation on how Rohit Sharma would perform, and it seems to me that the pressure has got to him as he’s departed for a low score. I feel this match shall be pretty competitive, but team India is definitely the superior side unless South Africa can spring a miracle.

As game moving forward it seems to me that pitch is good but good support to seamers with the new ball. Batsmen need some hardwork in the start and when you are set then you are good to go. similarly Pujara and Mayank batting carefully right now and chipping runs too. reverse swing come into play that's why both teams went for extra seamer.

Indian Media is knowledgeable when it comes to game of cricket but they sucks, always looking for sensational comments. that's what media does all over the world Grin

Quote from: akhjob on October 10, 2019, 12:56:55 AM

^^ If I remember right O'keefe who sacked India in 2017 was a spinner. And Indian spinners too got most of the wickets of the stats given by previous post by Sithara. So I think the ground favours the spinners.

Yes, Ashwin - Jadeja took 12 wickets in game and O'keefe alone took 12 wickets, Nathan lyon took 5 wickets

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^^ If I remember right O'keefe who sacked India in 2017 was a spinner. And Indian spinners too got most of the wickets of the stats given by previous post by Sithara. So I think the ground favours the spinners.

Quote from: JSRAW on October 09, 2019, 11:50:07 PM

^^ I think Umesh Yadav inclusion should help India (He gets carried away sometimes though). there is bit of help for seamers in this pitch, in the last overs noticed good movement here and there and Rohit is already gone so time for Pujara to do what he does best in these conditions.

I'm not able to watch the match now as I'm in my office. From the commentaries in cricbuzz, it looks like the SA seamers are troubling the Indian batsmen. So, if the ground favours the seamers then Umesh, undoubtedly is a good choice.

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Quote from: akhjob on October 09, 2019, 11:29:32 PM

Quote from: onrise on October 08, 2019, 11:36:47 AM

It would be a spinning track I too expect it. But hopefully climate remains good and we have complete match . Also would like to see if any changes would India team making it or going with same combination set of players .

For India, Vihari is replaced by Umesh Yadav. So we have a 3rd seamer for the match along with Ishant and Shami. But I don't think this would help much. Vihari as a batsmen and part time spinner makes much more sense. For SA, Nortje comes in for Piedt.

And India won the toss and opted to bat first

Looks like Fab is having a tough time in winning the tosses, lost all the last six.

Quote from: JSRAW on October 09, 2019, 11:50:07 PM

^^ I think Umesh Yadav inclusion should help India (He gets carried away sometimes though). there is bit of help for seamers in this pitch, in the last overs noticed good movement here and there and Rohit is already gone so time for Pujara to do what he does best in these conditions.

Umesh Yadav inclusion indicates that this may not be a spin friendly pitch, and that shall boost South Africa’s confidence as the match progresses ahead. There was lots of media speculation on how Rohit Sharma would perform, and it seems to me that the pressure has got to him as he’s departed for a low score. I feel this match shall be pretty competitive, but team India is definitely the superior side unless South Africa can spring a miracle.

Source: https://sports.ndtv.com/india-vs-south-africa-2019/give-rohit-sharma-a-break-virat-kohli-tells-journalists-2114006

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 09, 2019, 11:50:07 PM

^^ I think Umesh Yadav inclusion should help India (He gets carried away sometimes though). there is bit of help for seamers in this pitch, in the last overs noticed good movement here and there and Rohit is already gone so time for Pujara to do what he does best in these conditions.

This time the responsibility has fallen over Pujara. In the first test match the partnership of the openers made the score reach high. India will try hard to win the match, so that they can give chance to young players on the third match. South Africa on the other side will try to take advantage of the pitch than the Indian bowlers.

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^^ I think Umesh Yadav inclusion should help India (He gets carried away sometimes though). there is bit of help for seamers in this pitch, in the last overs noticed good movement here and there and Rohit is already gone so time for Pujara to do what he does best in these conditions.

Stats time

Lets see what happen this game

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Quote from: onrise on October 08, 2019, 11:36:47 AM

It would be a spinning track I too expect it. But hopefully climate remains good and we have complete match . Also would like to see if any changes would India team making it or going with same combination set of players .

For India, Vihari is replaced by Umesh Yadav. So we have a 3rd seamer for the match along with Ishant and Shami. But I don't think this would help much. Vihari as a batsmen and part time spinner makes much more sense. For SA, Nortje comes in for Piedt.

And India won the toss and opted to bat first

Looks like Fab is having a tough time in winning the tosses, lost all the last six.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 09, 2019, 09:21:30 AM

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Interestingly Ashwin-Jadeja duo lost the spin battle to Steve O'Keefe in the same match.

The mystery of the Pune pitch

Well, to be fair to Ashwin and Jadeja, it was the Indian batsmen who lost the game. The Indian spinners had bowled well, with Ashwin taking 3/63 and 4/119, while Jadeja returned 2/74 and 3/65. You can't blame them,

They took wickets but lost the battle against Steve O'Keefe. he alone took 12 wickets on the same match( 2 fifer in each inning) not counting Nathan lyon's and Steve smith's contribution, but agree on your point that it was Indian batsmen who failed miserably.

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I have heard about Pandurang Salgaoncar and he is perhaps the most infamous curator in India. Grin

He's interesting personality for sure, i remember watching his clips where he was literally cursing (In Hindi and Marathi Grin

) BCCI and Media for all the fuck ups.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 09, 2019, 12:30:51 AM

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But I guess this time the Indian management will ask the curator to make a track that gives no assistance to the pace bowlers.

The Curator, Pandurang Salgaoncar has a bad reputation and he's not talking to anyone as far as pitch is concern. Debut Test Match in this ground didn't go well for Indians. Australia humiliated Indians and won the game, Interestingly Ashwin-Jadeja duo lost the spin battle to Steve O'Keefe in the same match.

The mystery of the Pune pitch

Yeah.... I remember that match. Australia won by 333 runs as India was bowled out for 105 in the first innings and 107 in the second innings. Well, to be fair to Ashwin and Jadeja, it was the Indian batsmen who lost the game. The Indian spinners had bowled well, with Ashwin taking 3/63 and 4/119, while Jadeja returned 2/74 and 3/65. You can't blame them, when the top score made by an Indian batsman during the match was just 64 runs (KL Rahul).

I have heard about Pandurang Salgaoncar and he is perhaps the most infamous curator in India. Grin

The media is not very fond of him either. Just check these articles that have appeared in the Indian mainstream media:

https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/chance-for-curator-pandurang-salgaonkar-to-redeem-himself-6060624/
https://scroll.in/field/939793/india-vs-south-africa-pune-pitch-curator-salgaonkar-under-scanner-again-ahead-of-second-test
https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cricket/story/india-vs-south-africa-2nd-test-pune-mca-stadium-pitch-curator-pandurang-salgaonkar-in-spotlight-1607574-2019-10-09

How ironic is it? Mr. Salgaoncar was a fast-medium bowler during his prime and now he is preparing tracks that offer hardly any support for the pace bowlers. And I wonder why the BCCI is persisting with him. The pitches that were prepared by him have been repeatedly classified as "poor" by the ICC, and he was suspended by the ICC in 2017 (for six months) for taking part in "pitch fixing".

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 08, 2019, 07:35:34 PM

But I guess this time the Indian management will ask the curator to make a track that gives no assistance to the pace bowlers.

The Curator, Pandurang Salgaoncar has a bad reputation and he's not talking to anyone as far as pitch is concern. Debut Test Match in this ground didn't go well for Indians. Australia humiliated Indians and won the game, Interestingly Ashwin-Jadeja duo lost the spin battle to Steve O'Keefe in the same match.

The mystery of the Pune pitch

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Quote from: onrise on October 08, 2019, 11:36:47 AM

It would be a spinning track I too expect it. But hopefully climate remains good and we have complete match . Also would like to see if any changes would India team making it or going with same combination set of players .

The next match will be played at Pune, and historically the pitch there have given equal support to both the spinners and pacers. But I guess this time the Indian management will ask the curator to make a track that gives no assistance to the pace bowlers. With Ashwin performing so well, and Shami not needing the bounce from the track, there is no point in making a neutral track for the next match.

But as you said, the weather should be a concern. Even during the first test, we had rain interruption during the first two days of play. However, the Indian spinners managed to bowl out the South Africans despite the lost time. A few weeks back, Pune was affected by heavy rains and there were widespread flooding. Hopefully rain stays away from tomorrow onward, when the second test starts.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on October 08, 2019, 11:25:36 AM

Quote from: erikalui on October 08, 2019, 09:20:10 AM

^Oh you're right. I did say they'll easily win. Forgot to add "possibly win". Anyways, I like to lose these bets so I'll again bet on SA this time too.

When i saw that part about an easy win on the final day i made the bet Cheesy

. My advice for the second test is that be cautious as the Pune pitch used to help spinners a lot and then there is the weather issues in the past months that could affect the pitch and i am expecting a spinning track and remember South Africa is not great against spinners and if it is a spinning track then guess what the result could be Wink

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If pitch is going to help spinners then surely no one going to bet against India surely most peoples will try for this free money but weather repot is also very important because this can kill any one's dream odds are not bad at all right now India is @1.53 and South Africa is 10 which is not bad at all and India is not going for any change as they have all spots ok right now.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on October 08, 2019, 11:25:36 AM

Quote from: erikalui on October 08, 2019, 09:20:10 AM

^Oh you're right. I did say they'll easily win. Forgot to add "possibly win". Anyways, I like to lose these bets so I'll again bet on SA this time too.

When i saw that part about an easy win on the final day i made the bet Cheesy

. My advice for the second test is that be cautious as the Pune pitch used to help spinners a lot and then there is the weather issues in the past that could affect the pitch and i am expecting a spinning track and remember South Africa is not great against spinners and if it is a spinning track then guess what the result could be Wink

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It would be a spinning track I too expect it. But hopefully climate remains good and we have complete match . Also would like to see if any changes would India team making it or going with same combination set of players .

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