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Quote from: kro55 on March 09, 2022, 12:10:16 PM

A collection of 311 runs is not enough to win, but a good enough collection to fight. England's bowlers have to perform well. Only then will England be able to win this match. If the bowler does not play well, most likely the match will be a draw.
West Indies managed to score 36 runs, they have not lost any wicket yet. If the top order can play well, the West Indies will be able to control the match.

Jonny Bairstow is hero for England as they all out at 311 after having very poor start of this series first match against West Indies all seam bowlers done reasonable job for home team to restrict them at this score but still good from visitors as they are trying to have some better in test matches after worst defeat in Australia but still completely fail to have quality batting which can give them some better. Here after watching first inning look like they are going to lose this series as well because West Indies is having home advantage even they are also not good enough, but they can do some better performance against them bowlers are also not good enough for England.

In reply of this score now West Indies is 49/0 in ten over, skipper Kraigg Brathwaite is in aggressive mood lest watch how their response in remaining day of this first test match.

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Feel sorry for the bowlers, it is a batsman dominated game now! Bowlers should be replaced by Bowling Machines with batsman-friendly rules so no young kids would be interested in bowling. In some cases, traditions should be kept just as they are, sometimes it is just a psychological boost that bowlers receive. The restrictions we are putting on bowlers are excessive. Astonished by the way the game is played. I think bowling should be banned too! Tongue

Its true that cricket is batters game but only in limited overs game and its kinda mixed bag in the test formats IMO. In my reading i would say bowlers are in fairly good position in the test (not similar to old era), that's why we see so many results in test format nowadays so clearly ball is dominating the bat or at least competing.

Banning Saliva does look like its against the bowler but last 2-3 years data suggest that banning saliva in covid times didn't effect the bowlers as far as swing-seam etc are concerns. They also clarified on "White ball rule", earlier it used to based on off-leg lines (specially leg sides) but now it will be based on batter's movement across the crease area.

I think that one side which can be improved on is improving the quality of the cricket balls. We see batsmen modifying their bat at the right weight to perfectly suit them. Even 50g of more or less is not ok for them but since the start of cricket, I don't think the quality of cricket ball has changed much.

So, I think the quality of the cricket balls is something that can be looked at. They don't have to do anything stupid, maybe just do something that the ball swings more at first and spins more at the middle-end of one-day innings.

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Quote from: kro55 on March 09, 2022, 12:10:16 PM

A collection of 311 runs is not enough to win, but a good enough collection to fight. England's bowlers have to perform well. Only then will England be able to win this match. If the bowler does not play well, most likely the match will be a draw.
West Indies managed to score 36 runs, they have not lost any wicket yet. If the top order can play well, the West Indies will be able to control the match.

It's too early to predict from first inning that who will win the match. I think 311 is quite a decent total on West Indies pitches and credit for this goes to Jonny Bairstow 140, he has some support from Ben Foakes and stokes. Rest of the England batting just collapsed.
WI have a positive start so far, lets see how far they go from here.

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Quote from: repear7 on March 09, 2022, 11:49:17 AM

Test matches with England and West Indies have started for 2 days. England started the game very poorly and lost their valuable 4 wickets for 48 runs. Later Ben Stoke andJonny Bairstow formed a good partnership . Where he was supposed to be all out in 100, he scored 311 runs. The bottom line is that if the game is bad for everyone, one will play well. Which is what Jonny bairstow showed. Jonny Bairstow scored 140 runs.

A collection of 311 runs is not enough to win, but a good enough collection to fight. England's bowlers have to perform well. Only then will England be able to win this match. If the bowler does not play well, most likely the match will be a draw.
West Indies managed to score 36 runs, they have not lost any wicket yet. If the top order can play well, the West Indies will be able to control the match.

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Test matches with England and West Indies have started for 2 days. England started the game very poorly and lost their valuable 4 wickets for 48 runs. Later Ben Stoke andJonny Bairstow formed a good partnership . Where he was supposed to be all out in 100, he scored 311 runs. The bottom line is that if the game is bad for everyone, one will play well. Which is what Jonny bairstow showed. Jonny Bairstow scored 140 runs.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 08, 2022, 11:52:08 PM

MCC made some changes in cricketing code of laws.

Important changes
- Permanent ban on Saliva.
- In case of catch dismissals, new batter have to take strike and face the bowler even if previous striker-non striker cross the halfway mark of the pitch, unless it's the last ball.
- Mankading was considered unfair play under previous law, although it was allowed. Now they moved it to another section (under runout) and made it clear that its a non-striker's fault because he's the one stealing the ground. No more spirit of the game BS and no dehumanizing the bowler.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/mcc-moves-to-de-stigmatise-non-striker-run-outs-in-latest-law-updates-1304409

Feel sorry for the bowlers, it is a batsman dominated game now! Bowlers should be replaced by Bowling Machines with batsman-friendly rules so no young kids would be interested in bowling. In some cases, traditions should be kept just as they are, sometimes it is just a psychological boost that bowlers receive. The restrictions we are putting on bowlers are excessive. Astonished by the way the game is played. I think bowling should be banned too! Tongue

Its true that cricket is batters game but only in limited overs game and its kinda mixed bag in the test formats IMO. In my reading i would say bowlers are in fairly good position in the test (not similar to old era), that's why we see so many results in test format nowadays so clearly ball is dominating the bat or at least competing.

Banning Saliva does look like its against the bowler but last 2-3 years data suggest that banning saliva in covid times didn't effect the bowlers as far as swing-seam etc are concerns. They also clarified on "White ball rule", earlier it used to based on off-leg lines (specially leg sides) but now it will be based on batter's movement across the crease area.

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Jonny freaking redhead bairstow is a torch bearer for the Poms, i have never imagined that before the Ashes. Good to see him performing but in a longer run it does seems illusion to me.

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Quote from: onecall123 on March 09, 2022, 12:36:36 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on March 08, 2022, 11:52:08 PM

MCC made some changes in cricketing code of laws.

Important changes
- Permanent ban on Saliva.
- In case of catch dismissals, new batter have to take strike and face the bowler even if previous striker-non striker cross the halfway mark of the pitch, unless it's the last ball.
- Mankading was considered unfair play under previous law, although it was allowed. Now they moved it to another section (under runout) and made it clear that its a non-striker's fault because he's the one stealing the ground. No more spirit of the game BS and no dehumanizing the bowler.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/mcc-moves-to-de-stigmatise-non-striker-run-outs-in-latest-law-updates-1304409

Feel sorry for the bowlers, it is a batsman dominated game now! Bowlers should be replaced by Bowling Machines with batsman-friendly rules so no young kids would be interested in bowling. In some cases, traditions should be kept just as they are, sometimes it is just a psychological boost that bowlers receive. The restrictions we are putting on bowlers are excessive. Astonished by the way the game is played. I think bowling should be banned too! Tongue

Everyone likes to see high scoring games and therefore you will not find rules which may help the bowlers. The introduction of T20 was itself a move that supported batsmen. The T20 matches should have been played with fewer players as previously the same 10 players need to bat 50 overs and now the same 10 players need to bat 20 overs only. So you can see how easy it is for the batsmen to score runs freely.
There needs to be a balance between batters and bowlers otherwise there will be no interest in seeing four and sixes on every ball.

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Quote from: lixer on March 08, 2022, 04:35:05 PM

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England vs West Indies

England are not in a good position in the first Test against the West Indies. Even in today's match, their top order batsmen have failed. In the previous Test series, they could not win any of the 5 matches against Australia. The top order batsmen did not play well against the West Indies either. Collecting less than 300 runs will be difficult to win the match. At the moment he has collected 176 runs losing 5 wickets.

Start was not good for England in first session of first test they lost 4 wickets very cheaply but now have very good recovery through Stokes, Bairstow and Foakes from 48/4 to now 223/6 is very good now they can feel some better Bairstow is still on crease with his very quick and important 89 with new batsman Woakes is going to give him company but still it's good for West Indies as they have early wickets very cheaply and their quick bowlers take some good advantage of early seem, but now England is back in match even they still need some more runs from Bairstow and Woakes, but they can feel comfortable after having early setbacks.

Roach and Seales were on fire for home team with their very good bowling, and they have done good start, but now both teams are on level and the match is going to be very entertaining for next few days.

Although the start was not good, now the condition of England is very good. Since they lost only 6 wickets, they were able to collect 268 runs. Jonny Bairstow and Woakes, two batsmen at the crease, are both batting well. So the idea is that England will be able to collect more than 300 very easily. And it would be a good collection to fight. England's bowlers are very experienced. It will not be easy for West Indies to score 300 runs by batting against England's bowlers. After the disgusting performance against Australia I would expect England in this series.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 08, 2022, 11:16:45 PM

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Even after the bad start England have managed to score 250+ runs by the end of day 1 is good. Someone taking responsibility and doing the best to withstand the situation, and today it looks like Baristow the rescuer. Somehow England will manage to score 300+ runs which is quite good for an innings. If England perform well in bowling surely it can restrict West Indies within 250 runs. Then the match can turn towards England.

West Indies bowlers allowed the match to slip out of their control. Only Jason Holder was consistent, while Alzarri Joseph, Kemar Roach and Jayden Seales bowled in a wayward manner and allowed Jonny Bairstow to build big partnerships with lower order batsmen such as Ben Foakes and Chris Woakes. And England still have Craig Overton and Mark Wood to come, and these two have some batting capability. I guess it is possible for England to get to a total of around 300-350. It will be interesting to see the performance from the England bowlers, in the absence of Anderson and Broad.

The game is still in the initial stages and WI still can get back into the match. The English side will try to reach a score of more than 300 runs in order to stay in the match. WI only need to take the wicket of Bairstow in the first session of day 2 and restrict the English side not to go beyond 300. Worst performance by the English top order batters If it was not for Bairstow then the English side would have been out within 250 runs.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 08, 2022, 11:52:08 PM

MCC made some changes in cricketing code of laws.

Important changes
- Permanent ban on Saliva.
- In case of catch dismissals, new batter have to take strike and face the bowler even if previous striker-non striker cross the halfway mark of the pitch, unless it's the last ball.
- Mankading was considered unfair play under previous law, although it was allowed. Now they moved it to another section (under runout) and made it clear that its a non-striker's fault because he's the one stealing the ground. No more spirit of the game BS and no dehumanizing the bowler.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/mcc-moves-to-de-stigmatise-non-striker-run-outs-in-latest-law-updates-1304409

Feel sorry for the bowlers, it is a batsman dominated game now! Bowlers should be replaced by Bowling Machines with batsman-friendly rules so no young kids would be interested in bowling. In some cases, traditions should be kept just as they are, sometimes it is just a psychological boost that bowlers receive. The restrictions we are putting on bowlers are excessive. Astonished by the way the game is played. I think bowling should be banned too! Tongue

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MCC made some changes in cricketing code of laws.

Important changes
- Permanent ban on Saliva.
- In case of catch dismissals, new batter have to take strike and face the bowler even if previous striker-non striker cross the halfway mark of the pitch, unless it's the last ball.
- Mankading was considered unfair play under previous law, although it was allowed. Now they moved it to another section (under runout) and made it clear that its a non-striker's fault because he's the one stealing the ground. No more spirit of the game BS and no dehumanizing the bowler.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/mcc-moves-to-de-stigmatise-non-striker-run-outs-in-latest-law-updates-1304409

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Quote from: romero121 on March 08, 2022, 07:43:52 PM

Even after the bad start England have managed to score 250+ runs by the end of day 1 is good. Someone taking responsibility and doing the best to withstand the situation, and today it looks like Baristow the rescuer. Somehow England will manage to score 300+ runs which is quite good for an innings. If England perform well in bowling surely it can restrict West Indies within 250 runs. Then the match can turn towards England.

West Indies bowlers allowed the match to slip out of their control. Only Jason Holder was consistent, while Alzarri Joseph, Kemar Roach and Jayden Seales bowled in a wayward manner and allowed Jonny Bairstow to build big partnerships with lower order batsmen such as Ben Foakes and Chris Woakes. And England still have Craig Overton and Mark Wood to come, and these two have some batting capability. I guess it is possible for England to get to a total of around 300-350. It will be interesting to see the performance from the England bowlers, in the absence of Anderson and Broad.

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Quote from: og kush420 on March 08, 2022, 11:28:40 AM

@umerIdrees - I have the same concern, seems like you are the right person to ask this. Why did NZ team ran away before the start of the series, I read it on internet that Pakistan PM, who himself is a cricketer went to the field himself and assured them that everything is fine even he spoke to NZ PM but they refused to play and went back. I have heard the same rumors in Aussie case, but seem like they are a bit daring to take the stand.

Well NZ team received some suspicious email that they will be attacked if they play the series in Pakistan. They decided to fly back. It was their own decision or it was influenced by BCCI, the details are not public.
It's their stance and will that they opted for what they think was best for them but they didn't know what was coming afterward. Later everyone told them that they did wrong.

Pakistan got more strong with their verdict and we gave a clear statement that if any country wants to play with us, they need to come and play here. Best security will be granted and No neutral grounds will be accepted. If Australians had refused this tour, we would not have gone next year to their country.

Lesson:- Be strong, be a lion and the world will respect you.

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Roach and Seales were on fire for home team with their very good bowling, and they have done good start, but now both teams are on level and the match is going to be very entertaining for next few days.

England once again proved that they are not good in putting a team for Test matches as they were struggling to get going and if not for the middle order recovery the situation would have been pathetic. Jonny Bairstow once again came to the rescue and they have all the big names in paper but they are not performing consistently and yet they are able to find players that could replace them.

Even after the bad start England have managed to score 250+ runs by the end of day 1 is good. Someone taking responsibility and doing the best to withstand the situation, and today it looks like Baristow the rescuer. Somehow England will manage to score 300+ runs which is quite good for an innings. If England perform well in bowling surely it can restrict West Indies within 250 runs. Then the match can turn towards England.

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Quote from: lixer on March 08, 2022, 04:35:05 PM

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Roach and Seales were on fire for home team with their very good bowling, and they have done good start, but now both teams are on level and the match is going to be very entertaining for next few days.

England once again proved that they are not good in putting a team for Test matches as they were struggling to get going and if not for the middle order recovery the situation would have been pathetic. Jonny Bairstow once again came to the rescue and they have all the big names in paper but they are not performing consistently and yet they are able to find players that could replace them.

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England tour of WI starts today, they will be playing 3 test matches. England is a much better team than the WI side but WI has the advantage here they have not lost against England at home in the test since 2004. Spinners will play a crucial role in this test. The team that wins the toss I think will try to bat first.

England has won the toss and elected to bat first. But they are struggling now. England has already lost their first 4 wickets before the lunch break. They need a long partnership now to get back in the match. The fast bowler of West Indies has done a great job. Still I'm not going to keep the Windies team ahead. This is just the start of the game.

After winning toss and elected bats first was good decision, but first hour play completely belong to home side with they have done good damage to England 48 runs and 4 wickets, but after these visitors have very good recovery through Bairstow who done his second consecutive century after having at SCG Australia and bring his team back in competition Stokes and Floakes also give some support but Bairstow single handily playing very vital role and now have very good 40 runs partnership with Woakes who is at 13 giving good support to his partner just seven overs remaining in today's play with any first inning score above 300+ is surely going very good for England.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on March 08, 2022, 03:45:58 PM

England vs West Indies

England are not in a good position in the first Test against the West Indies. Even in today's match, their top order batsmen have failed. In the previous Test series, they could not win any of the 5 matches against Australia. The top order batsmen did not play well against the West Indies either. Collecting less than 300 runs will be difficult to win the match. At the moment he has collected 176 runs losing 5 wickets.

Start was not good for England in first session of first test they lost 4 wickets very cheaply but now have very good recovery through Stokes, Bairstow and Foakes from 48/4 to now 223/6 is very good now they can feel some better Bairstow is still on crease with his very quick and important 89 with new batsman Woakes is going to give him company but still it's good for West Indies as they have early wickets very cheaply and their quick bowlers take some good advantage of early seem, but now England is back in match even they still need some more runs from Bairstow and Woakes, but they can feel comfortable after having early setbacks.

Roach and Seales were on fire for home team with their very good bowling, and they have done good start, but now both teams are on level and the match is going to be very entertaining for next few days.

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England vs West Indies

England are not in a good position in the first Test against the West Indies. Even in today's match, their top order batsmen have failed. In the previous Test series, they could not win any of the 5 matches against Australia. The top order batsmen did not play well against the West Indies either. Collecting less than 300 runs will be difficult to win the match. At the moment he has collected 176 runs losing 5 wickets.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on March 08, 2022, 01:32:00 PM

England has won the toss and elected to bat first. But they are struggling now. England has already lost their first 4 wickets before the lunch break. They need a long partnership now to get back in the match. The fast bowler of West Indies has done a great job. Still I'm not going to keep the Windies team ahead. This is just the start of the game.

Ben Stokes and Bairstow have taken over the responsibility and have partnership of over 50 runs. Root the main batsmen for England gone for just 13 runs. England are too much dependent on Root and there is strong need that rest of top order batting should score some runs to reduce pressure on Root.

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