Replacing Jadeja will backfire, as he has scored crucial runs under pressure. Among the middle and lower order batsmen, he seems to be the one in best shape right now. Remove Jadeja from the middle order and the Indian middle order will be exposed by the England pacers. Also, his spin has provided the much needed variation, supplementing the pace bowlers (even in England pitches where not much help for this type of bowling can be expected). If anyone has to be dropped, it has to be Ishant, after his poor performance in the third match.
India must need to consider the problems of middle order but unfortunately they are having too wreaked middle orders and I am not sure they will dare to bench their skipper Kohli. In my opinion they must consider to play Shaw to open (KL Rahul for 5th down) and for 6th down, Surya Kumar Yadhav might be a right choice and this way they may bench Rahane and Pant (KL Rahul will take care of wicket keeping). For the balance of experienced and new players, Pujara and Kohli may retain their spots. 
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Ishant Sharma is having the experience but Mohammed Siraj is bowling really well and he should be in the team and if they need to include another spinner which i highly doubt in pitches that help seam bowling and i am not sure whether the spinners could make any major impact either. They can replace Jadeja and add another proper extra batsman if they keep getting dismissed for double figures 
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.Replacing Jadeja will backfire, as he has scored crucial runs under pressure. Among the middle and lower order batsmen, he seems to be the one in best shape right now. Remove Jadeja from the middle order and the Indian middle order will be exposed by the England pacers. Also, his spin has provided the much needed variation, supplementing the pace bowlers (even in England pitches where not much help for this type of bowling can be expected). If anyone has to be dropped, it has to be Ishant, after his poor performance in the third match.
^^^ One loss and now everyone wants a change in the team . England lost the second Test and there was a huge cry about changing the team and they changed the openers and it showed in their performance and then Root is in good form and that is the strength of England. When it comes to India the bowlers were its strength as the batsman was struggling for a long time and one time they were not able to pick wickets and the team lost and that is mainly because of the utter batting failure. If they need to change the team, they need to change the batsman than the bowlers.
England also made changes when they lost and India should have followed the same but they didn't because they end up winning the game. When you win then every genuine critics goes into silence mode and they don't change the team, i hate this idea of not changing the team when you win. It seems Koach & co also giving long rope to the middle order, the only reason i can think of is Koach also is in bad form and it would look bad if he let go Pujara-Rahane because if look at last 2-3 years, Puji and Rahane at least contributed in the Indian victories when comparing to him. . England lost the second Test and there was a huge cry about changing the team and they changed the openers and it showed in their performance and then Root is in good form and that is the strength of England. When it comes to India the bowlers were its strength as the batsman was struggling for a long time and one time they were not able to pick wickets and the team lost and that is mainly because of the utter batting failure. If they need to change the team, they need to change the batsman than the bowlers.If kohli was in form then things could have been different, let's say new batter in the middle order without any second thought.
^^^ One loss and now everyone wants a change in the team . England lost the second Test and there was a huge cry about changing the team and they changed the openers and it showed in their performance and then Root is in good form and that is the strength of England. When it comes to India the bowlers were its strength as the batsman was struggling for a long time and one time they were not able to pick wickets and the team lost and that is mainly because of the utter batting failure. If they need to change the team, they need to change the batsman than the bowlers.
. England lost the second Test and there was a huge cry about changing the team and they changed the openers and it showed in their performance and then Root is in good form and that is the strength of England. When it comes to India the bowlers were its strength as the batsman was struggling for a long time and one time they were not able to pick wickets and the team lost and that is mainly because of the utter batting failure. If they need to change the team, they need to change the batsman than the bowlers. ~
Ashwin surely gonna play the next match and very likely he will replace Ishant sharma because all the other seemers have performed very well in the second test match and i dont think rahane would be dropped for vihari . May be one more match they will see and then make the decision.
Even i think Ashwin deserves a place in the team as he is the best spinner in the world and they need to replace Jadeja as India cannot afford to put two spinners in the team. They need to rest Ajinkya Rahane and include Suryakumar Yadav and see how he will perform because he always performed in other formats whenever he was given the opportunity and it is time for him to make his debut in Test. Ashwin surely gonna play the next match and very likely he will replace Ishant sharma because all the other seemers have performed very well in the second test match and i dont think rahane would be dropped for vihari . May be one more match they will see and then make the decision.
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I would prefer dropping Mohammed Siraj in order to include Ravichandran Ashwin, because I believe that being the most experienced pacer, Ishant needs to play the third test match. He was disappointing during the second test, but would consider that as a one-off occurrence. He is currently the only Indian pacer to have a tally of more than 300 test wickets. But it will be really hard, as Kohli prefers Siraj. Also there is a perception that Ishant is the weakest tailend batsman in the Indian playing XI.
Ishant Sharma is having the experience but Mohammed Siraj is bowling really well and he should be in the team and if they need to include another spinner which i highly doubt in pitches that help seam bowling and i am not sure whether the spinners could make any major impact either. They can replace Jadeja and add another proper extra batsman if they keep getting dismissed for double figures I would prefer dropping Mohammed Siraj in order to include Ravichandran Ashwin, because I believe that being the most experienced pacer, Ishant needs to play the third test match. He was disappointing during the second test, but would consider that as a one-off occurrence. He is currently the only Indian pacer to have a tally of more than 300 test wickets. But it will be really hard, as Kohli prefers Siraj. Also there is a perception that Ishant is the weakest tailend batsman in the Indian playing XI.
. Ashwin surely gonna play the next match and very likely he will replace Ishant sharma because all the other seemers have performed very well in the second test match and i dont think rahane would be dropped for vihari . May be one more match they will see and then make the decision.
I would prefer dropping Mohammed Siraj in order to include Ravichandran Ashwin, because I believe that being the most experienced pacer, Ishant needs to play the third test match. He was disappointing during the second test, but would consider that as a one-off occurrence. He is currently the only Indian pacer to have a tally of more than 300 test wickets. But it will be really hard, as Kohli prefers Siraj. Also there is a perception that Ishant is the weakest tailend batsman in the Indian playing XI.
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Really sad to see such collapse of lower order once again, Yesterday after a strong performance from the top order I was hopeful that India would at least not lose with an innings but once Pujara got out there was a streak of wickets, even Rahane isn't able to find back his form, while Pant is becoming too inconsistent once again
If you score 78 runs in the first innings you cannot expect them to bat any differently and the innings defeat is not a huge surprise but if India somehow avoided the innings defeat that then it would have been a huge surprise Really sad to see such collapse of lower order once again, Yesterday after a strong performance from the top order I was hopeful that India would at least not lose with an innings but once Pujara got out there was a streak of wickets, even Rahane isn't able to find back his form, while Pant is becoming too inconsistent once again
.In these types of matches you expect Ashwin and Thakur to be in playing 11 for a deeper batting, You can't obviously expect Shami and Bumrah to lead your front in every match.
Not sure adding Ashwin would have made any difference, the pitch was not helping the spinners but the best thing England did was to change their openers and Root owning the ground with his consistent performance and if he fails the entire England team will suffer. The India bowler did not get the correct line and length for this pitch.Yes obviously from a bowling perspective, choice of Ashwin doesn't makes a lot of sense but if you want to see some batting depth then obviously Thakur is one Good option, about line and length I feel Jimmy Anderson had the best line and length among all the bowlers. he was pitching the ball just outside the line of off stump and swinging it both ways from that point. No indian bowler could match this line and length.
India certainly need some changes in their batting order and inclusion of Ashwin in the playing 11 is also needed. I feel Jadeja must be sent to bat ahead of risabh pant. Most of the cases we see jadeja running out of partners his batting has improved a lot and i feel he can be given more responsibility with the bat now.
The complete batting order was a failure in the first innings. In the second innings except K L Rahul, Rishab Pant and Rahane most of them scored. Rahul won't be replaced and I think either Pant or Rahane might be dropped. It is a possibility that no changes are made to the batting order. Sometime things go against you and the team is unable to recover. Making only 78 in the first innings, it was always hard for any team to save the match and that's what happen with India. I think India will come back strongly in the next match and no one should expect that they will continue their bad form.
India certainly need some changes in their batting order and inclusion of Ashwin in the playing 11 is also needed. I feel Jadeja must be sent to bat ahead of risabh pant. Most of the cases we see jadeja running out of partners his batting has improved a lot and i feel he can be given more responsibility with the bat now.
The complete batting order was a failure in the first innings. In the second innings except K L Rahul, Rishab Pant and Rahane most of them scored. Rahul won't be replaced and I think either Pant or Rahane might be dropped. It is a possibility that no changes are made to the batting order. Sometime things go against you and the team is unable to recover. Making only 78 in the first innings, it was always hard for any team to save the match and that's what happen with India. I think India will come back strongly in the next match and no one should expect that they will continue their bad form.
Yeah agree with you that i may be possible that no changes being made as pujara was on the firing line but he scored a 90 so now he cannot be dropped now.
Pant surely wont be dropped and rahane is vice captain so maximum possibility is that India will not make any changes in the batting order.
Pant surely wont be dropped and rahane is vice captain so maximum possibility is that India will not make any changes in the batting order.
This is strange. One half-century is enough for Pujara to cement his slot in the playing XI? His batting average was 20.37 in 2020. And after the Leeds test, his batting average stands at 30.94. I consider Temba Bavuma as the worst test batsman who has a permanent place in the playing XI. And his average is much higher than this. And keeping someone in his mid-30s in the team despite the bad form is unfair to the younger players like Shreyas Iyer. And the selectors need to be consistent. Why Pujara is being given so many opportunities? I could still remember Karun Nair being dropped after a couple of poor performances (despite having a scored a triple century in that year). He was not given another chance and his test batting average remains at 62.33.
India certainly need some changes in their batting order and inclusion of Ashwin in the playing 11 is also needed. I feel Jadeja must be sent to bat ahead of risabh pant. Most of the cases we see jadeja running out of partners his batting has improved a lot and i feel he can be given more responsibility with the bat now.
The complete batting order was a failure in the first innings. In the second innings except K L Rahul, Rishab Pant and Rahane most of them scored. Rahul won't be replaced and I think either Pant or Rahane might be dropped. It is a possibility that no changes are made to the batting order. Sometime things go against you and the team is unable to recover. Making only 78 in the first innings, it was always hard for any team to save the match and that's what happen with India. I think India will come back strongly in the next match and no one should expect that they will continue their bad form.
India certainly need some changes in their batting order and inclusion of Ashwin in the playing 11 is also needed. I feel Jadeja must be sent to bat ahead of risabh pant. Most of the cases we see jadeja running out of partners his batting has improved a lot and i feel he can be given more responsibility with the bat now.
The complete batting order was a failure in the first innings. In the second innings except K L Rahul, Rishab Pant and Rahane most of them scored. Rahul won't be replaced and I think either Pant or Rahane might be dropped. It is a possibility that no changes are made to the batting order. Pant surely wont be dropped and rahane is vice captain so maximum possibility is that India will not make any changes in the batting order.
India certainly need some changes in their batting order and inclusion of Ashwin in the playing 11 is also needed. I feel Jadeja must be sent to bat ahead of risabh pant. Most of the cases we see jadeja running out of partners his batting has improved a lot and i feel he can be given more responsibility with the bat now.
The complete batting order was a failure in the first innings. In the second innings except K L Rahul, Rishab Pant and Rahane most of them scored. Rahul won't be replaced and I think either Pant or Rahane might be dropped. It is a possibility that no changes are made to the batting order.
India certainly need some changes in their batting order and inclusion of Ashwin in the playing 11 is also needed. I feel Jadeja must be sent to bat ahead of risabh pant. Most of the cases we see jadeja running out of partners his batting has improved a lot and i feel he can be given more responsibility with the bat now.
I wonder if they are going to make any changes in the middle order or not. I'm not sure about combination anymore as koach is going with 4 seam option in every game which i can understand in the seaming condition but not sure when forecast is good.
I don't think they will make any big changes at this point since that could cause more harm overall. I am not expecting much from the Indian batsmen, but I am expecting a lot from the Indian bowlers in the remaining matches.But this time the ground staff were more hostile towards him and kicked him out of the ground without any delay. Unfortunately we will miss the entertainment for the rest of the series, since in all probability he has been blacklisted and banned permanently.
Damn. This kind of stuff is common in Soccer and rare in Cricket which is why I will truly miss his antics if did actually get permanently banned. He earned many fans around the world who could help him get unbanned. India losing by an innings didn't surprise me at all since their batting has been unpredictable in this match. Robinson absolutely demolished them. However, the most entertaining part of this match was this.
https://youtu.be/wsIq3dBH6nY
Jarvo is seriously something else. He improved the entertainment quotient of this particular test series in my opinion. Crazy dude!
https://youtu.be/wsIq3dBH6nY
Jarvo is seriously something else. He improved the entertainment quotient of this particular test series in my opinion. Crazy dude!
LOL.. sometimes I feel that if Jarvo (Daniel Jarvis) had replaced Rahane or Pant, then India would have been in a better position. The funniest part was the guy wearing a face-mask under his helmet. He is trying to spread his message against COVID 19. But this time the ground staff were more hostile towards him and kicked him out of the ground without any delay. Unfortunately we will miss the entertainment for the rest of the series, since in all probability he has been blacklisted and banned permanently.
Uff 3 quick wickets and middle order failed one more time.
No hope left for India now and it looks like inning defeat is just around the corner. We can't expect many runs from the lower order, the best they can do is try avoiding inning defeat which looks tough task.
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Pant is goner.
Really sad to see such collapse of lower order once again, Yesterday after a strong performance from the top order I was hopeful that India would at least not lose with an innings but once Pujara got out there was a streak of wickets, even Rahane isn't able to find back his form, while Pant is becoming too inconsistent once again, In these types of matches you expect Ashwin and Thakur to be in playing 11 for a deeper batting, You can't obviously expect Shami and Bumrah to lead your front in every match. No hope left for India now and it looks like inning defeat is just around the corner. We can't expect many runs from the lower order, the best they can do is try avoiding inning defeat which looks tough task.
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Pant is goner.
I wonder if they are going to make any changes in the middle order or not. I'm not sure about combination anymore as koach is going with 4 seam option in every game which i can understand in the seaming condition but not sure when forecast is good.
India losing by an innings didn't surprise me at all since their batting has been unpredictable in this match. Robinson absolutely demolished them. However, the most entertaining part of this match was this.
https://youtu.be/wsIq3dBH6nY
Jarvo is seriously something else. He improved the entertainment quotient of this particular test series in my opinion. Crazy dude!
https://youtu.be/wsIq3dBH6nY
Jarvo is seriously something else. He improved the entertainment quotient of this particular test series in my opinion. Crazy dude!
I still had that slightly feeling that they might be able to draw this match. Another humilating defeat has been added to Kohli's cap. The first innings was a disaster. Two more matches left, if India wants to win this tournament then they have to win both of them. I doubt that will be possible considering the form of Indian batsmen.
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Really sad to see such collapse of lower order once again, Yesterday after a strong performance from the top order I was hopeful that India would at least not lose with an innings but once Pujara got out there was a streak of wickets, even Rahane isn't able to find back his form, while Pant is becoming too inconsistent once again
If you score 78 runs in the first innings you cannot expect them to bat any differently and the innings defeat is not a huge surprise but if India somehow avoided the innings defeat that then it would have been a huge surprise Really sad to see such collapse of lower order once again, Yesterday after a strong performance from the top order I was hopeful that India would at least not lose with an innings but once Pujara got out there was a streak of wickets, even Rahane isn't able to find back his form, while Pant is becoming too inconsistent once again
.In these types of matches you expect Ashwin and Thakur to be in playing 11 for a deeper batting, You can't obviously expect Shami and Bumrah to lead your front in every match.
Not sure adding Ashwin would have made any difference, the pitch was not helping the spinners but the best thing England did was to change their openers and Root owning the ground with his consistent performance and if he fails the entire England team will suffer. The India bowler did not get the correct line and length for this pitch. Jump to: