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@JSRAW I just read the opposite report about Australian Player’s not being comfortable about touring Pakistan, and this shows that there’s a high possibility of them backing out when the time comes. Furthermore if they sent their B team, then it’ll definitely hurt Pakistan citizen’s who’re expecting Australia’s best player’s to come.
I heard about this bomb blast as well, which is not good sign but at the same time i'm optimistic about this tour. Last i read, CA want all tests to be schedule in single venue for security reason. I don't know if its feasible solution considering no stadium is able to host 3 back to back tests because of pitch conditions, unless they have 5-6 quality pitches on the ground.
It the location is under target, then it isn't good to tour. Pakistan people will be with much expectation to host the series in the home country after a long. However it is very important to take care of life. As said in a quote if the players are ready to play the the tournament won't get cancelled, But players won't have such a mind. Also this will not let the players have their natural game. So, it is good to have a common location out of the country if scenario isn't supportive.
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I heard about this bomb blast as well, which is not good sign but at the same time i'm optimistic about this tour. Last i read, CA want all tests to be schedule in single venue for security reason. I don't know if its feasible solution considering no stadium is able to host 3 back to back tests because of pitch conditions, unless they have 5-6 quality pitches on the ground.
No doubt situation is not good and no one can give 100% what's going on in next few days as Pakistan has never been easy country for any things recently I was reading there are some riots in big city of Karachi and situation in Baluchistan is also very bad due to recent attacks on Armed Forces, so we have to wait until last day of this tour how they handle this all.

But, I read few blogs and columns where many Australians are very excited about this tour specially Pat Cummins and Labuschagne are very happy as they are going to face one of the toughest cricket players recently won ICC awards and have very good record at home. With selector George bailey is also having no issues and Australian Cricketers Association also want players go ahead with this tour.
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@JSRAW I just read the opposite report about Australian Player’s not being comfortable about touring Pakistan, and this shows that there’s a high possibility of them backing out when the time comes. Furthermore if they sent their B team, then it’ll definitely hurt Pakistan citizen’s who’re expecting Australia’s best player’s to come.
I heard about this bomb blast as well, which is not good sign but at the same time i'm optimistic about this tour. Last i read, CA want all tests to be schedule in single venue for security reason. I don't know if its feasible solution considering no stadium is able to host 3 back to back tests because of pitch conditions, unless they have 5-6 quality pitches on the ground.

In my opinion, if the players are ready to play and don't have any problems with the tour then this tour will not be canceled.

But I do find it really odd that three matches are going to be played in the same venue because if it was an ODI matter then not might have been possible and if it was t20 then I am sure there wouldn't have been many problems but the problem is its test match and the wickets are really very important in a test match.

We have seen results change drastically because the pitch changed its behavior on the last day. So it is hard to imagine that three test matches are going to be played in the same venue.

But it might be one way to cancel the tour saying that it back and play all three test matches in one venue and so they will have security issues. 'just saying'.
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@JSRAW I just read the opposite report about Australian Player’s not being comfortable about touring Pakistan, and this shows that there’s a high possibility of them backing out when the time comes. Furthermore if they sent their B team, then it’ll definitely hurt Pakistan citizen’s who’re expecting Australia’s best player’s to come.
I heard about this bomb blast as well, which is not good sign but at the same time i'm optimistic about this tour. Last i read, CA want all tests to be schedule in single venue for security reason. I don't know if its feasible solution considering no stadium is able to host 3 back to back tests because of pitch conditions, unless they have 5-6 quality pitches on the ground.
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Meanwhile Pakistan cricket fans can sit back and hold there seats tight as, Australia's tour of Pakistan is 'reasonably well down the track. CA official George Bailey, has confirmed that till now there is no player who has refused to play in Pakistan. If CA tours Pakistan this March then it will also benefit PSL as CA payers will also participate in PSL.
The Australian players were happy about touring Pakistan even during the interview most of the players were happy touring the team and there is no way the CA will block the tour if the players are happy touring them. The only issue is see right now is the pandemic situations as new variants of the virus are spreading rapidly and if there is no other hurdles, the tour will go on as planned.
They don't have any excuse this time. They have been reluctant to tour any country since pandemic barring England ofcourse, their last away series was back in 2018-19 against England. If they really want to play WTC final then they should visit, if not then ICC should consider this forfeit series and Pakistan should get all the points.



@JSRAW I just read the opposite report about Australian Player’s not being comfortable about touring Pakistan, and this shows that there’s a high possibility of them backing out when the time comes. Furthermore if they sent their B team, then it’ll definitely hurt Pakistan citizen’s who’re expecting Australia’s best player’s to come.
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Meanwhile Pakistan cricket fans can sit back and hold there seats tight as, Australia's tour of Pakistan is 'reasonably well down the track. CA official George Bailey, has confirmed that till now there is no player who has refused to play in Pakistan. If CA tours Pakistan this March then it will also benefit PSL as CA payers will also participate in PSL.
The Australian players were happy about touring Pakistan even during the interview most of the players were happy touring the team and there is no way the CA will block the tour if the players are happy touring them. The only issue is see right now is the pandemic situations as new variants of the virus are spreading rapidly and if there is no other hurdles, the tour will go on as planned.
They don't have any excuse this time. They have been reluctant to tour any country since pandemic barring England ofcourse, their last away series was back in 2018-19 against England. If they really want to play WTC final then they should visit, if not then ICC should consider this forfeit series and Pakistan should get all the points.

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Meanwhile Pakistan cricket fans can sit back and hold there seats tight as, Australia's tour of Pakistan is 'reasonably well down the track. CA official George Bailey, has confirmed that till now there is no player who has refused to play in Pakistan. If CA tours Pakistan this March then it will also benefit PSL as CA payers will also participate in PSL.
The Australian players were happy about touring Pakistan even during the interview most of the players were happy touring the team and there is no way the CA will block the tour if the players are happy touring them. The only issue is see right now is the pandemic situations as new variants of the virus are spreading rapidly and if there is no other hurdles, the tour will go on as planned.
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Meanwhile Pakistan cricket fans can sit back and hold there seats tight as, Australia's tour of Pakistan is 'reasonably well down the track. CA official George Bailey, has confirmed that till now there is no player who has refused to play in Pakistan. If CA tours Pakistan this March then it will also benefit PSL as CA payers will also participate in PSL.
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Yes i will also prefer Jadeja over Ashwin but only when playing at South Africa, NZ or majority of green top pitches of England. Ashwin's record in Australia improved in last 2 tour tho so its open for debate. Stats do matters because Jadeja and Ashwin are playing for a long time of period and both of em are great spin allrounder and been on top ICC rank since 2014-15 along with Shakib. No spin all rounder comes close to this trio by country mile.

Shardul is seam allrounder so his comparison with Jaddu is not fair. India need 2-3 more shardul type of seam allrounder when playing at SENA country, in subcontinent we really don't need his services cause we already have 2 best allrounder Jaddu, Ash and Axar- Washi duo is also there.

Like i said horses for courses.
That is a really good argument but I think Jadeja can take wickets at the key moments of the match. And his crickets look more impactful to me. And his batting is also better. And even if we all say that they are both the same in batting and bowling, Ashwin and Jadeja,
Jadeja can be really electric in Fielding and save a lot of runs.
I hardly remember any instance where Jadeja outbowling Ashwin, most of the time its Ashwin who does the damage.  

Jadeja is not attacking bowler per se(When playing at SENA), his main job is to hold one end tight for longer period of time so that fast bowlers gets some sort of rest because its seamers job to do heavy lifting on seaming track. Agree on batting-Field cause Jadeja is excellent athlete on the field and improving drastically as batter and he gets the job done at number 7, which is very important when visiting SENA countries, that's why he's preferred over Ashwin and there is nothing wrong with that.
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Here all things just happening for IPL and this is not going to solve red ball related issues now after losing in South Africa troubles having more voices and these all will be settled for short term against Sri Lanka and Australia home series which is not good.

That's understandable, if India want to focus on IPL only then its fine they must then bear such ODI and Test results. But if they wanna remain in test and odi then they must think out of IPL and do some tough decisions. But right now whole world is crazy for IPL that's why nobody is worried about how India team is performing in tests and ODI.
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I agree with this. Statistics can be deceiving. If we go solely by stats, then Shardul and Ashwin may look far better options when compared to Jadeja. But from what I can recall from all these years, Jadeja has performed under pressure, during crucial situations. Matches India won as a result of Jadeja may be far more than the number of the matches India won as a result of Shardul and Ashwin. And in the end it should matter. What is the point in having personal milestones, when you can't guide your team to a win?
Shardul is very new to Indian side, so he can't be compared with Jadeja. Any player that plays for himself rather then team must be limited to leagues only, as there is no place for players in national team who don't care for the team. Overall its downtime for Indian team and they will have it for year or two.
Suddenly we have some good rumours and issues around Team India because of bad management and after resignation of Kohli which is not good. Indian all set up is moving around IPL, and they need to improve some other domestic leagues as well for 3 days or 4 days which give some good experience to all players for having some good experience surely they could be ready for all changes right now going all way for money is not helping them with this money they need to improve things like Australia where they have all things under control and in any problem player like Cummins can lead the team and having very good start of his new career.

Here all things just happening for IPL and this is not going to solve red ball related issues now after losing in South Africa troubles having more voices and these all will be settled for short term against Sri Lanka and Australia home series which is not good.
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I agree with this. Statistics can be deceiving. If we go solely by stats, then Shardul and Ashwin may look far better options when compared to Jadeja. But from what I can recall from all these years, Jadeja has performed under pressure, during crucial situations. Matches India won as a result of Jadeja may be far more than the number of the matches India won as a result of Shardul and Ashwin. And in the end it should matter. What is the point in having personal milestones, when you can't guide your team to a win?

Shardul is very new to Indian side, so he can't be compared with Jadeja. Any player that plays for himself rather then team must be limited to leagues only, as there is no place for players in national team who don't care for the team. Overall its downtime for Indian team and they will have it for year or two.
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Yes i will also prefer Jadeja over Ashwin but only when playing at South Africa, NZ or majority of green top pitches of England. Ashwin's record in Australia improved in last 2 tour tho so its open for debate. Stats do matters because Jadeja and Ashwin are playing for a long time of period and both of em are great spin allrounder and been on top ICC rank since 2014-15 along with Shakib. No spin all rounder comes close to this trio by country mile.

Shardul is seam allrounder so his comparison with Jaddu is not fair. India need 2-3 more shardul type of seam allrounder when playing at SENA country, in subcontinent we really don't need his services cause we already have 2 best allrounder Jaddu, Ash and Axar- Washi duo is also there.

Like i said horses for courses.
That is a really good argument but I think Jadeja can take wickets at the key moments of the match. And his crickets look more impactful to me. And his batting is also better. And even if we all say that they are both the same in batting and bowling, Ashwin and Jadeja,
Jadeja can be really electric in Fielding and save a lot of runs.


I understand that statistics has a great role while selecting players but for me, stats are not everything because a player also needs to have the calmness to perform under pressure and in key moments. And I think ok I would prefer Jadeja to have my back in those moments instead of Ashwin or Shardul.
I agree with this. Statistics can be deceiving. If we go solely by stats, then Shardul and Ashwin may look far better options when compared to Jadeja. But from what I can recall from all these years, Jadeja has performed under pressure, during crucial situations. Matches India won as a result of Jadeja may be far more than the number of the matches India won as a result of Shardul and Ashwin. And in the end it should matter. What is the point in having personal milestones, when you can't guide your team to a win?
That's exactly what I'm talking about because when the team is winning and the opponent team needs like 70 runs in 30 balls with 3 wickets left it's really easy for someone to take 2 out of those three remaining wickets.

But if the opponent needs 30 runs in 30 balls and have three wickets in hand that is the time when wicket-taking matters. And for me, I will always prefer Jadeja over Ashwin in those situations






Yes, stats do deceive sometimes. Which is why Jadeja is first choice spin allrounder in pace friendly countries, no benefit on denying this fact but at the same time it would be pretty ignorant to say that Jadeja is better match winner than Ashwin and also bizarre to compare Shardul with Jadeja. One is seam all rounder and later is spin all rounder, comparison doesn't make sense at all.

Btw this is all time Man of the series list.
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I am not saying that stats are everything and I am not also saying that stats are nothing but my thinking is we should not always rely on stats to choose which player should play it which player is better.
And I am sure that in certain situations Jadeja will be better and Ashwin in others.
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I understand that statistics has a great role while selecting players but for me, stats are not everything because a player also needs to have the calmness to perform under pressure and in key moments. And I think ok I would prefer Jadeja to have my back in those moments instead of Ashwin or Shardul.

I agree with this. Statistics can be deceiving. If we go solely by stats, then Shardul and Ashwin may look far better options when compared to Jadeja. But from what I can recall from all these years, Jadeja has performed under pressure, during crucial situations. Matches India won as a result of Jadeja may be far more than the number of the matches India won as a result of Shardul and Ashwin. And in the end it should matter. What is the point in having personal milestones, when you can't guide your team to a win?
Yes, stats do deceive sometimes. Which is why Jadeja is first choice spin allrounder in pace friendly countries, no benefit on denying this fact but at the same time it would be pretty ignorant to say that Jadeja is better match winner than Ashwin and also bizarre to compare Shardul with Jadeja. One is seam all rounder and later is spin all rounder, comparison doesn't make sense at all.

Btw this is all time Man of the series list.

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283469.html
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I understand that statistics has a great role while selecting players but for me, stats are not everything because a player also needs to have the calmness to perform under pressure and in key moments. And I think ok I would prefer Jadeja to have my back in those moments instead of Ashwin or Shardul.

I agree with this. Statistics can be deceiving. If we go solely by stats, then Shardul and Ashwin may look far better options when compared to Jadeja. But from what I can recall from all these years, Jadeja has performed under pressure, during crucial situations. Matches India won as a result of Jadeja may be far more than the number of the matches India won as a result of Shardul and Ashwin. And in the end it should matter. What is the point in having personal milestones, when you can't guide your team to a win?
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Ashwin has 5 test centuries (against WI and ENG), not many regular batters can brag about this 5 tons stats tbh. Everything depends on the conditions, if playing in subcontinent or Caribbean conditions then Ashwin is genuine all rounder and excellent choice for even number 7 but when playing at SENA then he's good batter for number 8. Having said that i would also opt for Jadeja because of his batting-fielding and more importantly i believe in horses for courses argument when selecting test teams.
Mortals shouldn't judge Lord Thakur  Tongue. Anyways i agree that he doesn't look genuine all rounder but bhai he's performing regularly with the bat and ball.
6ish match and Already got 3 50's (1 in Aus -Gabba- and 2 in Eng), averaging 22 with the bat at number 8 + 26 wickets. What else you want from your 4th bowling option?
I understand that statistics has a great role while selecting players but for me, stats are not everything because a player also needs to have the calmness to perform under pressure and in key moments. And I think ok I would prefer Jadeja to have my back in those moments instead of Ashwin or Shardul.
Yes i will also prefer Jadeja over Ashwin but only when playing at South Africa, NZ or majority of green top pitches of England. Ashwin's record in Australia improved in last 2 tour tho so its open for debate. Stats do matters because Jadeja and Ashwin are playing for a long time of period and both of em are great spin allrounder and been on top ICC rank since 2014-15 along with Shakib. No spin all rounder comes close to this trio by country mile.

Shardul is seam allrounder so his comparison with Jaddu is not fair. India need 2-3 more shardul type of seam allrounder when playing at SENA country, in subcontinent we really don't need his services cause we already have 2 best allrounder Jaddu, Ash and Axar- Washi duo is also there.

Like i said horses for courses.

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The Indian team is going through a very bad phase same result in a different format. I never expected them to lose so easily if they bat well then they will bowl bad and vice versa. 287 was not at all a bad score but the Indian bowlers were not able to take wickets. Malan and De Kock were at their best once again. They both are the reason why South Africa are now leading this series by 2-0.
This all started after upset defeat against Pakistan in t20 CWC and sadly timing was also not in favour of Indian cricket team and management so just because of this all we are feeling in this way otherwise check in England they were completely dominating against them and having 2 - 1 lead after four test matches.

In this Series all were expecting easy win for India as South Africa were facing some on and off field issues but shocking they settle all things very good and Indian squad still having many issues specially off field which are hurting team performance very badly now after tomorrow ODI management have some good time, so they need to do some long term changes for better future as now after Sri Lankan tour they are going to face Australia and then T20 CWC events which are very important for them.
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Ashwin is too inconsistent to be considered as an allrounder. I wouldn't even consider Shardul as an allrounder. They are not up to a level, where they can be considered above genuine bowlers such as Bumrah, Shami and Ishant. IMO, Jadeja is the only genuine allrounder right now, and he is extremely underrated. Looking at the stats, I can see that Jadeja has performed at a level much higher than either Shardul or Ashwin (especially in SENA conditions). But I don't know why he's not in the team.
I also agree with this because Jadeja is a far better player than Ashwin and Shardul if we think about all-rounders. If you think only about bowling then the debate becomes more critical. But as an all-rounder, Jadeja is a far better option for India and really very underrated. And if we talk about Ashwin then I think yes maybe he has played some good innings in test cricket and his bowling is quite good but as an all-rounder he is overrated.


Ashwin has 5 test centuries (against WI and ENG), not many regular batters can brag about this 5 tons stats tbh. Everything depends on the conditions, if playing in subcontinent or Caribbean conditions then Ashwin is genuine all rounder and excellent choice for even number 7 but when playing at SENA then he's good batter for number 8. Having said that i would also opt for Jadeja because of his batting-fielding and more importantly i believe in horses for courses argument when selecting test teams.
Mortals shouldn't judge Lord Thakur  Tongue. Anyways i agree that he doesn't look genuine all rounder but bhai he's performing regularly with the bat and ball.
6ish match and Already got 3 50's (1 in Aus -Gabba- and 2 in Eng), averaging 22 with the bat at number 8 + 26 wickets. What else you want from your 4th bowling option?
I understand that statistics has a great role while selecting players but for me, stats are not everything because a player also needs to have the calmness to perform under pressure and in key moments. And I think ok I would prefer Jadeja to have my back in those moments instead of Ashwin or Shardul.
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The Indian team is going through a very bad phase same result in a different format. I never expected them to lose so easily if they bat well then they will bowl bad and vice versa. 287 was not at all a bad score but the Indian bowlers were not able to take wickets. Malan and De Kock were at their best once again. They both are the reason why South Africa are now leading this series by 2-0.

This thread is about test series so I will focus more on test then ODI. Indian start of test series was great they won the first match without there star batsman kohli but after that SA never allowed them to come back in series. The main issue is in Indian batting line up specially in the the top order. India is always best at home but they can't beat teams like SA at there home.
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Surely they have not good time because it's happen after SENA defeats but never mind because now Sri Lanka is coming and after them Australia is also having tour with this all many players will be back in good form at home and give some extraordinary performance because nothing is good then home.

Pujara and Rahane is also going to shine against Sri Lanka and with this performance they are going to have spot against Australia with someone already mention in above post these Senior Players having some good hold on things which are happening in team, so I am feeling there is no good chance for new emerging players for having spot in team but their dedication and love for sport can give them some better result in near future because every thing is going to change.

This is worrying sign for Indian cricket that they are very easily defeated by SA team who was no way a match to Indian team. India defiantly will perform best at there soil since they have ideal conditions there. India really need some backup of there mandatory players like kohli,  Pujara and Rahane. If these players have backup then they will focus on there game which is not the case right now.

The Indian team is going through a very bad phase same result in a different format. I never expected them to lose so easily if they bat well then they will bowl bad and vice versa. 287 was not at all a bad score but the Indian bowlers were not able to take wickets. Malan and De Kock were at their best once again. They both are the reason why South Africa are now leading this series by 2-0.
Yes, once again South African players getting back to form. India never thought it'd loss the series. Once after the first match India made themselves well prepared for the second ODI, but things happened same as that happened with the test series. India managed to score 287 runs, but South Africa scored the same with much confidence as every player are in a state of taking responsibility and fulfilling it.
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