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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on January 18, 2021, 02:33:43 PM

Sending Sharadul Thakur or Washington Sundar and risk loosing a wicket is not the brightest idea, If India needs to win the openers has to score big and you need to contain the wickets as well. Rohit Sharma should anchor the innings and then Pant should be promoted to increase the run rate and if both these players looses their wicket then India should defend and it is not that easy.

Promoting Pant may not be a bad idea. But I am not sure whether there will be any rain interruptions for today. 62 overs remain in the next two sessions and if there is no rain interruption, then this should be enough for India to score the remaining runs. Less than 4 runs per over is needed from now onwards. But at the same time, they can't afford to lose wickets.

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I was thinking if India could do a switch over tomorrow. It's understandable that 328 is a considerable huge target on such an uneven pitch. But I think if India has to win tomorrow they can do something out of the box. Like sending Rishab Pant and Sharadul thakur or Washington Sundar on 1 down and 2nd down. This will be a try by both of them to score some quick runs. If India can score something around 150 Runs until lunch. They can bat the remaining test pretty easily on the shoulders of Rahane, Pujara and Mayank Aggarwal who will have to play the role Hanuma Vihari and Ashwin played in the previous match. If the top order collapses India should look for a draw and if it doesn't India can look for a win.

This all is very good on papers but in practical its make no sense because its a test match we have fifth day with pitch is already uneven really tough job they must have to do some good in first two session mean save wickets then they can go for something in last session but if they can afford otherwise its already win for India they have to manage last all day on pitch with patience.

I think this isn't that bad in practical. I feel it would have been someone strong like MSD he would have done this for sure. Rahane might not because he would then be seen as the culprit for the series loss. But I think for winning you have to take the risk of losing the match. I think even fans would appreciate this stance if he takes this risk. Out of the box thinking is all that you need for winning matches in these complex situations.

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Quote from: teosanru on January 18, 2021, 11:57:31 AM

I was thinking if India could do a switch over tomorrow. It's understandable that 328 is a considerable huge target on such an uneven pitch. But I think if India has to win tomorrow they can do something out of the box. Like sending Rishab Pant and Sharadul thakur or Washington Sundar on 1 down and 2nd down.

Sending Sharadul Thakur or Washington Sundar and risk loosing a wicket is not the brightest idea, If India needs to win the openers has to score big and you need to contain the wickets as well. Rohit Sharma should anchor the innings and then Pant should be promoted to increase the run rate and if both these players looses their wicket then India should defend and it is not that easy.

Obviously openers have to play their part we cannot deny this fact. Shubhman Gill has to prove his worth in the team and Rohit Sharma needs to realise that he is the anchor for the team just like it's an One day match. But Like the first innings Sharadul was pretty good with his shots it wasn't like they were just lucky enough to hit those shots. So I think it can be a good experiment.

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Quote from: teosanru on January 18, 2021, 11:57:31 AM

I was thinking if India could do a switch over tomorrow. It's understandable that 328 is a considerable huge target on such an uneven pitch. But I think if India has to win tomorrow they can do something out of the box. Like sending Rishab Pant and Sharadul thakur or Washington Sundar on 1 down and 2nd down.

Sending Sharadul Thakur or Washington Sundar and risk loosing a wicket is not the brightest idea, If India needs to win the openers has to score big and you need to contain the wickets as well. Rohit Sharma should anchor the innings and then Pant should be promoted to increase the run rate and if both these players looses their wicket then India should defend and it is not that easy.

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Quote from: teosanru on January 18, 2021, 11:57:31 AM

I was thinking if India could do a switch over tomorrow. It's understandable that 328 is a considerable huge target on such an uneven pitch. But I think if India has to win tomorrow they can do something out of the box. Like sending Rishab Pant and Sharadul thakur or Washington Sundar on 1 down and 2nd down. This will be a try by both of them to score some quick runs. If India can score something around 150 Runs until lunch. They can bat the remaining test pretty easily on the shoulders of Rahane, Pujara and Mayank Aggarwal who will have to play the role Hanuma Vihari and Ashwin played in the previous match. If the top order collapses India should look for a draw and if it doesn't India can look for a win.

This all is very good on papers but in practical its make no sense because its a test match we have fifth day with pitch is already uneven really tough job they must have to do some good in first two session mean save wickets then they can go for something in last session but if they can afford otherwise its already win for India they have to manage last all day on pitch with patience.

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I was thinking if India could do a switch over tomorrow. It's understandable that 328 is a considerable huge target on such an uneven pitch. But I think if India has to win tomorrow they can do something out of the box. Like sending Rishab Pant and Sharadul thakur or Washington Sundar on 1 down and 2nd down. This will be a try by both of them to score some quick runs. If India can score something around 150 Runs until lunch. They can bat the remaining test pretty easily on the shoulders of Rahane, Pujara and Mayank Aggarwal who will have to play the role Hanuma Vihari and Ashwin played in the previous match. If the top order collapses India should look for a draw and if it doesn't India can look for a win.

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Sri Lanka was completely shattered in the first innings but returned to form in the second innings. The openers did not play well in the first innings but they played well enough in the second innings. Lahiru Thirimanne is still unbeaten, he has scored 76 runs off 189 balls. Great innings. But Kushal Mendis is out of form in both innings. I want to see a century from Lahiru Thirimanne tomorrow

Don't even remind me how fucking shit SL played in 1st inning, it was look like they were not playing test match but T20 and playing very risky shot even without settling.

Seems they understood their mistakes and learnt a lot from their first innings and as a result played well in second innings and made 359 as against 135 in first innings. Though England massive score of 421 in first innings have put them in driver’s seat and though they lost 3 wickets for just 38 in second innings still they only now require 36 runs to win the match. Sri Lanka would realize that though they played well in second innings and bowled well in second innings but each session for them is very important and losing couple of session initially in the test match can actually cost them the test match even if they play well in the end.

I was impressed to watch Sri Lanka's last innings. They batted great in the last innings. Lahiru Thirimanne has scored a great century and Angelo Mathews has played very well. He scored 71 runs off 219 balls. Lasith Embuldeniya and Dilruwan Perera have balled just great. Hopefully, Sri Lanka will be able to hold on to their great performance in the next Test.

This is where the problem occurs. They did play marvellous in second innings as compared to first, but they currently do not have consistency. In past few test matches which have seen they no doubt lack experience but they never showed a persistence in the matches that they are ready to stand on wicket for long hours, try to get settle first and play a long innings. This is missing in major SL players and this is causing them a big problem.

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Quote from: onrise on January 17, 2021, 11:30:55 AM

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Sri Lanka was completely shattered in the first innings but returned to form in the second innings. The openers did not play well in the first innings but they played well enough in the second innings. Lahiru Thirimanne is still unbeaten, he has scored 76 runs off 189 balls. Great innings. But Kushal Mendis is out of form in both innings. I want to see a century from Lahiru Thirimanne tomorrow

Don't even remind me how fucking shit SL played in 1st inning, it was look like they were not playing test match but T20 and playing very risky shot even without settling.

Seems they understood their mistakes and learnt a lot from their first innings and as a result played well in second innings and made 359 as against 135 in first innings. Though England massive score of 421 in first innings have put them in driver’s seat and though they lost 3 wickets for just 38 in second innings still they only now require 36 runs to win the match. Sri Lanka would realize that though they played well in second innings and bowled well in second innings but each session for them is very important and losing couple of session initially in the test match can actually cost them the test match even if they play well in the end.

I was impressed to watch Sri Lanka's last innings. They batted great in the last innings. Lahiru Thirimanne has scored a great century and Angelo Mathews has played very well. He scored 71 runs off 219 balls. Lasith Embuldeniya and Dilruwan Perera have balled just great. Hopefully, Sri Lanka will be able to hold on to their great performance in the next Test.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 18, 2021, 08:27:55 AM

If rain spoil the 5th day /Indian batting is not expecting another collapse Undecided

and game/series ends up with the 1-1 draw then do you think Rahane is going to call out Australian team and share trophy with them, just for photo-session similar to Afghanistan? it was hard fought series so i wouldn't mind if he does that.

He's goody good guy so who knows.. ?

I am really in love with this test as its beauty of cricket we have two top ranked teams in ground and both fighting hard with all 3 options wide open for both teams even draw is hot favourite but its very interesting end of this series as no one was expecting result like this from this Indian team without too many players Rahane deserve some better respect as he done great job in this all without Kohli 1 - 1 is surely in way of India as most predictions was 4 - 0 or 3 - 0.

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on January 18, 2021, 05:18:41 AM

There's been some scattered showers in and around Brisbane this evening and will probably continue until around midnight. If the covers come off first thing I the morning, then it'll be a full day of play (i.e. with some determination India will play hard and win)

If the covers stay on, or play is interrupted, then India will loose it's rhythm and will limp towards a draw.

There is a 99% chance of a draw, because rain interruption is expected for tomorrow and the target is above 300. And from what I have seen today, both the Indian openers are playing very cautiously rather than going for the big shots. That is an indication that they are also targeting for a draw. Unless the Australian pacers can get some quick wickets, there is no chance of a different outcome.

Considering the Gabba pitch on last day and its history chasing is not possible. So, India unlikely to win from here. Now if it Rains good for India only atleast they anyways will want draw only so this will just help them. Now if Rain does not interrupt chances of OZ winnings increases and might not India will be able to survive the whole last day though we have Rahane, Pujara and few more who can stay on pitch but just 1 bad shot and leads to wicket.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 18, 2021, 08:27:55 AM

If rain spoil the 5th day /Indian batting is not expecting another collapse Undecided

and game/series ends up with the 1-1 draw then do you think Rahane is going to call out Australian team and share trophy with them, just for photo-session similar to Afghanistan? it was hard fought series so i wouldn't mind if he does that.

He's goody good guy so who knows.. ?

I also think Rahane will share the trophy with Australia. This series was very challenging for Rahane. Rahane has led the Indian team very well in the last 3 matches after the batting disaster in the first match. And in the next two matches, they did not lose. And the last match also seems to be heading towards a draw. The match is expected to be a draw if there is no batting disaster like in the first Test

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If rain spoil the 5th day /Indian batting is not expecting another collapse Undecided

and game/series ends up with the 1-1 draw then do you think Rahane is going to call out Australian team and share trophy with them, just for photo-session similar to Afghanistan? it was hard fought series so i wouldn't mind if he does that.

He's goody good guy so who knows.. ?

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 18, 2021, 12:34:28 AM

Starc/Cummins are champion bowlers, yes Starc didn't get wickets but he was unlucky on many occasion. One good spell of Starc/Cummins could change everything and we can't rule out 4th inning chase factor. I would say its 55%-45% chance in favor of Australia.

India played well apart from the first Test and with the second innings from the first Test is still fresh in memory anything is possible as Australia is having the same bowling line up and weather will be an important factor as well. If there is too much breeze in the morning the ball will move in the air and there are cracks in the pitch which will make batting difficult.

I still hope for a draw rather than a win and the two players who will try for the win is Rohit Sharma and Pant as they have the capability to score at a healthy strike rate.

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The Indian openers have been disappointing through out this series which is why this is a good chance to prove themselves by putting less pressure on the middle and lower order.

Quote from: Timelord2067 on January 18, 2021, 05:18:41 AM

There's been some scattered showers in and around Brisbane this evening and will probably continue until around midnight. If the covers come off first thing I the morning, then it'll be a full day of play (i.e. with some determination India will play hard and win)

If the covers stay on, or play is interrupted, then India will loose it's rhythm and will limp towards a draw.

I don't think the Indian team would want to take a risk and try to win this one by treating this as an ODI. Instead, they probably will try to save their wickets and only score now and then which is why a draw seems more likely.

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There's been some scattered showers in and around Brisbane this evening and will probably continue until around midnight. If the covers come off first thing I the morning, then it'll be a full day of play (i.e. with some determination India will play hard and win)

If the covers stay on, or play is interrupted, then India will loose it's rhythm and will limp towards a draw.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 18, 2021, 12:34:28 AM

Na bhai, i wouldn't count them out at any case. Starc/Cummins are champion bowlers, yes Starc didn't get wickets but he was unlucky on many occasion. One good spell of Starc/Cummins could change everything and we can't rule out 4th inning chase factor. I would say its 55%-45% chance in favor of Australia.

If this time Rohit gets a soft dismissal then he deserve full on MC, BC including his fans hehe. Grin

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And Wicket...

247/8... 280 lead

I can agree to some extent as far as Pat Cummins is concerned. He picked up wickets, although after conceding a lot of runs. But Starc looked out of form ever since the start of the series. The only consistent bowler was Josh Hazlewood, and he alone can't guarantee a win for Australia. Anyway, now the lead has grown to 294. Anything above 300 would be tough for India.

@bryant.coleman Australia have set a decent total of 328 runs for India to chase on the final day, and the remaining overs were called off due to rains. Furthermore do you’ll think that team India will want to chase this target down tomorrow, or they’ll play it safe and opt for a draw?.

Sources:

https://www.cricbuzz.com/live-cricket-scores/31648/aus-vs-ind-4th-test

https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/115780/fight-for-the-trophy-extends-to-final-day-of-series

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 18, 2021, 12:34:28 AM

Na bhai, i wouldn't count them out at any case. Starc/Cummins are champion bowlers, yes Starc didn't get wickets but he was unlucky on many occasion. One good spell of Starc/Cummins could change everything and we can't rule out 4th inning chase factor. I would say its 55%-45% chance in favor of Australia.

If this time Rohit gets a soft dismissal then he deserve full on MC, BC including his fans hehe. Grin

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247/8... 280 lead

I can agree to some extent as far as Pat Cummins is concerned. He picked up wickets, although after conceding a lot of runs. But Starc looked out of form ever since the start of the series. The only consistent bowler was Josh Hazlewood, and he alone can't guarantee a win for Australia. Anyway, now the lead has grown to 294. Anything above 300 would be tough for India.

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^^ Game is very much open for both the teams, anything could happen from here, all 3 results are on the card. Having said that Australia do have slight advantage as ball turning for spinners and some uneven bounce could come into play due to cracks, its already happening.

And Smith gone..

196/5 and lead is 229 runs

No total can be considered as safe for Australia, because of the pathetic state of their bowling attack. Starc/Cummins have failed to take wickets and even Nathan Lyon has been expensive. Josh Hazlewood is the only bowler who has taken wickets regularly. Even if they ends up with a lead of above 300, India would be fancying their chances, especially after what happened in the last match.

Na bhai, i wouldn't count them out at any case. Starc/Cummins are champion bowlers, yes Starc didn't get wickets but he was unlucky on many occasion. One good spell of Starc/Cummins could change everything and we can't rule out 4th inning chase factor. I would say its 55%-45% chance in favor of Australia.

If this time Rohit gets a soft dismissal then he deserve full on MC, BC including his fans hehe. Grin

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And Wicket...

247/8... 280 lead

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 17, 2021, 10:34:09 PM

^^ Game is very much open for both the teams, anything could happen from here, all 3 results are on the card. Having said that Australia do have slight advantage as ball turning for spinners and some uneven bounce could come into play due to cracks, its already happening.

And Smith gone..

196/5 and lead is 229 runs

No total can be considered as safe for Australia, because of the pathetic state of their bowling attack. Starc/Cummins have failed to take wickets and even Nathan Lyon has been expensive. Josh Hazlewood is the only bowler who has taken wickets regularly. Even if they ends up with a lead of above 300, India would be fancying their chances, especially after what happened in the last match.

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^^ Game is very much open for both the teams, anything could happen from here, all 3 results are on the card. Having said that Australia do have slight advantage as ball turning for spinners and some uneven bounce could come into play due to cracks, its already happening.

And Smith gone..

196/5 and lead is 229 runs

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Australia leads by 182 runs, with 6 wickets remaining. Two sessions of play remain for today, but I am not sure in reality how many overs of play will be possible. Rains are predicted for today as well. Also, Australia has lost their entire top order, and the last recognized batting pair is at the crease now (Cameron Green and Steven Smith). Actually the chances of India winning the match appear to be bright.

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