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Quote from: mersal on February 17, 2021, 09:06:20 AM

It depends on the stadium the match is about to happen, there are pitches that support pacers but the Chennai pitch is more likely to be spin-friendly than any other department. I guess this is the first match is going to happen on the Ahmedabad newly built stadium so the pitch report is ging to be unpredictable until the match day for sure.

Only a few surfaces in India, such as the ones in Mohali and Dharamshala are supportive of pace bowling. All the others are either flat tracks or turning ones. We don't know much about the surface at Motera, but I suspect that it will be similar to the other surfaces in India. Even if the track offers seam movement, the Indian management will make sure that it supports the spinners as well.

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 17, 2021, 08:13:51 AM

^^ I am in favor of turner wickets in India at least for International test match, no matter who cry or pushing the idea that spin wickets are bad for the test cricket. Even if it backfires and India end up losing game. Test cricket need diverse wickets, if every wickets is seam / batting friendly then where would spinner go in the test cricket?

Good article from former Indian cricketer (female).
https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/hot-days-and-dry-wickets-aren-t-bad-just-different-101613441880045.html

@JSRAW in the past India used to make sure that all their home pitches were spin friendly, but in recent years their fast bowlers department grew and suddenly they decided to make pitches which suit fast bowlers too. Lastly I feel that your point is valid, and as we witnessed in the recent test team India needs spin friendly pitches to procure a result.

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https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/india-vs-england-there-is-a-normal-spin-on-offer-axar-patel-reckons-chepauk-track-behaving-normally-critics-need-to-change-their-mindset-101613403004889.html

https://www.thehindu.com/sport/cricket/India-refrains-from-preparing-overly-spin-friendly-pitches/article16694369.ece

https://scroll.in/field/987089/chennai-pitch-debate-why-should-spin-take-effect-only-later-in-a-test-but-seaming-tracks-are-fine

It depends on the stadium the match is about to happen, there are pitches that support pacers but the Chennai pitch is more likely to be spin-friendly than any other department. I guess this is the first match is going to happen on the Ahmedabad newly built stadium so the pitch report is ging to be unpredictable until the match day for sure.

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 17, 2021, 08:13:51 AM

^^ I am in favor of turner wickets in India at least for International test match, no matter who cry or pushing the idea that spin wickets are bad for the test cricket. Even if it backfires and India end up losing game. Test cricket need diverse wickets, if every wickets is seam / batting friendly then where would spinner go in the test cricket?

Good article from former Indian cricketer (female).
https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/hot-days-and-dry-wickets-aren-t-bad-just-different-101613441880045.html

I have a different opinion on this. Even the pitches in SENA countries are no longer supportive of pace bowling as it used to be. WACA and Kingsmead used to be fast bowler's paradise and if a team managed to make more than 200 runs in an innings there, it used to be regarded as exceptional performance. But times have changed and pitches that once supported pace bowlers have become flatter. Perhaps that is the reason why we no longer have legendary pacers of the calibre of Alan Donald, Glen McGrath, Curtly Ambrose, Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis.

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 17, 2021, 08:13:51 AM

^^ I am in favor of turner wickets in India at least for International test match, no matter who cry or pushing the idea that spin wickets are bad for the test cricket. Even if it backfires and India end up losing game. Test cricket need diverse wickets, if every wickets is seam / batting friendly then where would spinner go in the test cricket?

Good article from former Indian cricketer (female).
https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/hot-days-and-dry-wickets-aren-t-bad-just-different-101613441880045.html

@JSRAW in the past India used to make sure that all their home pitches were spin friendly, but in recent years their fast bowlers department grew and suddenly they decided to make pitches which suit fast bowlers too. Lastly I feel that your point is valid, and as we witnessed in the recent test team India needs spin friendly pitches to procure a result.

Sources:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/india-vs-england-there-is-a-normal-spin-on-offer-axar-patel-reckons-chepauk-track-behaving-normally-critics-need-to-change-their-mindset-101613403004889.html

https://www.thehindu.com/sport/cricket/India-refrains-from-preparing-overly-spin-friendly-pitches/article16694369.ece

https://scroll.in/field/987089/chennai-pitch-debate-why-should-spin-take-effect-only-later-in-a-test-but-seaming-tracks-are-fine

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^^ I am in favor of turner wickets in India at least for International test match, no matter who cry or pushing the idea that spin wickets are bad for the test cricket. Even if it backfires and India end up losing game. Test cricket need diverse wickets, if every wickets is seam / batting friendly then where would spinner go in the test cricket?

Good article from former Indian cricketer (female).
https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/hot-days-and-dry-wickets-aren-t-bad-just-different-101613441880045.html

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 17, 2021, 07:39:42 AM

Bowling combination for both team will depend on the pitch. Anderson is 38 years old and playing every game is too much for him. My guess is Anderson-Archer will play the next game and if its seaming wicket then may be 1 more fast bowler (Ollie Stone).

@eaLiTy mentioned that in Ranji game Pink ball favored the spin but last time India played pink ball test in Kolkata against Bangladesh, Indian Pacers took 19 wickets out of 20, 1 player got retd hurt, on the other hand Ashwin-Jadeja duo didn't even get to ball much.

This Motera stadium is new so no one really know about the pitch condition so let's wait and watch.

With Ashwin in such splendid form, it will be foolish to assume that the curators will prepare a pitch that would offer even the slightest advantage to the pacers. D/N test matches have historically supported the pace bowlers, but as you have mentioned it is a new stadium and we don't know much about the ground conditions. If the pitch offers some bounce, then Archer would be lethal. Archer-Stone combination may cause a lot of trouble, as both of them have the ability to bowl above 150 kmph.

All that said, the toss is going to have a huge impact. If England wins the toss, then it is going to be 50/50. On the other hand, if India wins the toss, it is going to be 90/10 in favor of the Indians. Unless one of the England batsmen finds a way to take on Ashwin/Axar, they don't have any chance for the remainder of this series. Bowlers alone can't do the job. They need support from the batsmen as well.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 17, 2021, 07:01:30 AM

Rather than the case of Moeen, I am more concerned with Broad/Anderson. These two bowlers need to play at least 3 out of the 4 tests and they perform the best when both of them are in the playing XI. I would even recommend England to go with three pacers for the third test, as Ollie Stone looked impressive in the second test. Their spinners are not doing well.. and it won't be a bad idea to include one more pacer.

Bowling combination for both team will depend on the pitch. Anderson is 38 years old and playing every game is too much for him. My guess is Anderson-Archer will play the next game and if its seaming wicket then may be 1 more fast bowler (Ollie Stone).

@eaLiTy mentioned that in Ranji game Pink ball favored the spin but last time India played pink ball test in Kolkata against Bangladesh, Indian Pacers took 19 wickets out of 20, 1 player got retd hurt, on the other hand Ashwin-Jadeja duo didn't even get to ball much.

This Motera stadium is new so no one really know about the pitch condition so let's wait and watch.

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Rather than the case of Moeen, I am more concerned with Broad/Anderson. These two bowlers need to play at least 3 out of the 4 tests and they perform the best when both of them are in the playing XI. I would even recommend England to go with three pacers for the third test, as Ollie Stone looked impressive in the second test. Their spinners are not doing well.. and it won't be a bad idea to include one more pacer.

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Indian Squad for last 2 tests.

https://twitter.com/BCCI/status/1361974661613948928

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TEAM - Virat Kohli (Capt), Rohit Sharma, Mayank Agarwal, Shubman Gill, Cheteshwar Pujara, Ajinkya Rahane (vc), KL Rahul, Hardik Pandya, Rishabh Pant (wk), Wriddhiman Saha (wk), R Ashwin, Kuldeep Yadav, Axar Patel, Washington Sundar, Ishant Sharma, Jasprit Bumrah, Md. Siraj.

Umesh Yadav will join the team in Ahmedabad and after his fitness assessment will replace Shardul Thakur, who will be released for Vijay Hazare Trophy.

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The Committee also picked five net bowlers and two players as standbys.

Net Bowlers: Ankit Rajpoot, Avesh Khan, Sandeep Warrier, Krishnappa Gowtham, Saurabh Kumar

Standby players: KS Bharat, Rahul Chahar.

England Squad for the next test.

Moeen Ali looked good with the ball and bat as match progressed but he's going back, due to rotation policy or voluntary taking leave, no one knows for sure. Except dodgy comments from the management so bit weird. Many English experts, former players are not impressed with the decision.

https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/2031556

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England squad : Joe Root (c), James Anderson, Jofra Archer, Jonny Bairstow, Dominic Bess, Stuart Broad, Rory Burns, Zak Crawley, Ben Foakes, Dan Lawrence, Jack Leach, Ollie Pope, Dom Sibley, Ben Stokes, Olly Stone, Chris Woakes, Mark Wood.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on February 16, 2021, 06:28:41 PM

Moeen Ali is leaving but they have Dom Bess who performed well in the first match but to my surprise he was not picked they picked Jack Leach who was hammered by Pant and they are the spinning options for England for the rest of the tour. Toss will be a factor and the team winning to toss will elect to bat and that is the best option in Asian conditions.

Bess bowled poorly during the second test of the first match, although he picked up important wickets in the first innings. He bowled too many full-tosses and most of them were put away to the boundary (especially by Virat Kohli and Shubman Gill). And Leach picked up 4 wickets in the second innings, including those of Rohit Sharma and Cheteshwar Pujara. This was the reason why he was preferred ahead of Bess.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on February 16, 2021, 05:07:35 PM

Moeen Ali is confirmed that he is leaving back to England and wont participate in the rest of the matches and that is a big blow to the side as he was the in form player who picked 8 wickets and he played an entertaining knock in the final innings.
I give India the advantage and toss will be a major factor .

Moeen Ali is leaving but they have Dom Bess who performed well in the first match but to my surprise he was not picked they picked Jack Leach who was hammered by Pant and they are the spinning options for England for the rest of the tour. Toss will be a factor and the team winning to toss will elect to bat and that is the best option in Asian conditions.

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Quote from: vella85 on February 16, 2021, 04:25:48 PM

This now sets up the series as both teams are square however the next match will be interesting as its a day/night test match and we all saw what happened in Australia when India were out played with the pink ball so its going to be interesting to see how the Indian team goes. Even though England lost this test match, I think it will give them confidence heading into the day/night test match knowing that India played poorly in their last day/night test match.

India was touring when they were humiliated in the day night Test and now they are playing in India and obviously they will be preparing spinning tracks. Moeen Ali is confirmed that he is leaving back to England and wont participate in the rest of the matches and that is a big blow to the side as he was the in form player who picked 8 wickets and he played an entertaining knock in the final innings.
I give India the advantage and toss will be a major factor .

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Great comeback by India to win the second test match after losing the first match. Ashwin fully deserved to be player of the match with his all round performance with the bat and ball. Taking 8 wickets and scoring a century against a good England team is a good achievement. This now sets up the series as both teams are square however the next match will be interesting as its a day/night test match and we all saw what happened in Australia when India were out played with the pink ball so its going to be interesting to see how the Indian team goes. Even though England lost this test match, I think it will give them confidence heading into the day/night test match knowing that India played poorly in their last day/night test match.

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But Kuldeep Yadav is once again my biggest question for the day. He hasn't got bowling even today. What could be the possible reason for this?

The way he was introduced to attack after all the resources, its safe to say that Captain doesn't trust him much nowadays.

And the way Kuldeep bowling he's not posing any threat to batsmen when compared to Ashwin-Axar duo, guess he's in low on confidence. I hope he pick up couple of wickets here.

And Siraj dropped a Root.... Poor Kuldeep

English batsmen only playing sweep... Now kuldeep got the wicket.

ENG: 116/7

Haha atlast he got one crucial winning wicket. But this wicket became possible only because the batsmen came down the pitch. So ideally Kuldeep is merely a limited over bowler as it's not easy to play attacking shot on his bowling but defending him is pretty easy. But at the same time it's somewhat easier to attack finger spinners if the pitch is okayish. I think Kuldeep needs to rethink about his line and length.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on February 16, 2021, 01:07:11 PM

On the whole, Ashwin proved that it is his hometown and his home pitch where he used to spend the majority of the time practicing cricket. Thats really a fabulous performance from Ashwin and rest of the team. In the same pitch England defeated India in the previous match. Maybe some complaints might arise, stating that the Indian team has made the pitch in such a way to support the Indian team performance. Cheesy

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If I remember correctly, the curator changed the pitch completely after the first match. That's how it provided much more support for the Indian spinners, especially Axar and Ashwin. On the other hand the England spinners (Moeen and Leach) failed to make use of it. At times, I thought that it may be better for England to use their pacers (Stone, Broad and Stokes) rather than persisting with the spinners who hardly had any success.

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Spectacular performance by India in literally every single department. What an amazing comeback. Ashwin deserves man of the match for his all-round performance. Wonder what excuse Vaughan will come up with next.

In my opinion, England are over-dependent on Root in the batting department in tests though I don't see any issues with their bowling department.

This was the good comeback by team India and after losing the first match, this win will boost them and with the series 1-1 this makes the other 2 test match now more exciting as now anything is possible. Series draw, or either of the team winning the series and will need to wait till 4th test is over. Ashwin was just fabulous in this match and rightly was named the Player of the match. Good to see his all-round performance after long time.

On the whole, Ashwin proved that it is his hometown and his home pitch where he used to spend the majority of the time practicing cricket. Thats really a fabulous performance from Ashwin and rest of the team. In the same pitch England defeated India in the previous match. Maybe some complaints might arise, stating that the Indian team has made the pitch in such a way to support the Indian team performance. Cheesy

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Quote from: Haunebu on February 16, 2021, 03:36:55 AM

Spectacular performance by India in literally every single department. What an amazing comeback. Ashwin deserves man of the match for his all-round performance. Wonder what excuse Vaughan will come up with next.

In my opinion, England are over-dependent on Root in the batting department in tests though I don't see any issues with their bowling department.

This was the good comeback by team India and after losing the first match, this win will boost them and with the series 1-1 this makes the other 2 test match now more exciting as now anything is possible. Series draw, or either of the team winning the series and will need to wait till 4th test is over. Ashwin was just fabulous in this match and rightly was named the Player of the match. Good to see his all-round performance after long time.

A very spirited comeback by India in this test match but I also think toss is also very important for win in test matches now we are moving for Pink ball games first time playing in India its very interesting hopefully this win give them some good confidence and they will fight hard for next wins as well because now they need just one win for spot in WTC Final 2021.

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Quote from: Haunebu on February 16, 2021, 03:36:55 AM

Spectacular performance by India in literally every single department. What an amazing comeback. Ashwin deserves man of the match for his all-round performance. Wonder what excuse Vaughan will come up with next.

In my opinion, England are over-dependent on Root in the batting department in tests though I don't see any issues with their bowling department.

This was the good comeback by team India and after losing the first match, this win will boost them and with the series 1-1 this makes the other 2 test match now more exciting as now anything is possible. Series draw, or either of the team winning the series and will need to wait till 4th test is over. Ashwin was just fabulous in this match and rightly was named the Player of the match. Good to see his all-round performance after long time.

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 16, 2021, 02:08:10 AM

Pink ball game favors fast bowlers so if next pitch favoring seamers then i doubt if Kuldeep is going to be selected in team or in squad. Indian might fancy 3 seamers (Bumrah-Ishant-Siraj) and 2 spin allrounder ( Axar-Ashwin) in the squad.

I have seen some matches played in the stadium during the recent Syed Mushtaq Ali Trophy and the pitch favors the spinners and some of the fast bowlers were economical as well, it is difficult to say how the pitch behaves for a Test match but spinners will be effective in the final two days and even in this match Kuldeep Yadav did not get much opportunity as he got only 12 overs the entire match while Ashwin bowled 41.5 overs and Axar Patel bowled 41 overs as well.

If majority of the load is shared by two bowlers then they should add another batsman who could bowl those overs rather than picking another fast bowler.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 16, 2021, 08:17:45 AM

^^^ He probably meant that the winning team will receive 30 points in the WTC Points Table, irrespective of the margin. It doesn't matter whether you win the match by 1 run, or by 300 runs. In the end you will receive 30 points and not a decimal more or less. BTW, in India drawn match is always a possibility and in that regard I can't agree with you. Obviously the pitch for the first two matches gave a lot of support for the bowlers. But it is not necessary that the ground conditions will remain the same for the next two matches.

Pink ball test gives more advantage for the batsmen due to better visibility and shape so we can expect high run-scoring game on both the innings. Ticket sales already begin with 50% norm as capacity due to covid social distancing.I guess India need to win the remaining two matches or at least a win with a draw for entering into WTC finals which is the same for ENG as well.

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