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Quote from: RamBahadur.Gurung on September 12, 2020, 08:05:31 AM

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Alarming news for South Africa Cricket. Their Olympic body taking over CSA under its control and firing existing cricket board, technically government taking over. Implication? According to ICC constitution Cricket board should work as autonomously body and no government interference is allowed, if not then it could lead to ban from the International Cricket. More or less similar thing happened with the Zimbabwe cricket too.

South African Olympic body removes CSA board; takes control of cricket

Zimbabwe received a raw deal from the ICC, as they got suspended and were barred from receiving funds. Do the ICC have courage to do the same with South Africa? Especially at a time when the chairman election is due? These suspensions work only against smaller boards who have small number of supporters and not against larger boards such as South Africa.

I am sure ICC will not do this blunder. If they do, this will not be a popular decision. We already have few cricket playing nations and if they started banning them, the number will further decline. I hope South Africa wont face similar restrictions like Zimbabwe.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 12, 2020, 08:27:52 AM

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South Africa was semi-banned from playing the international cricket due to their government's racist policy (1970 -1991) so as far as banning decision goes yeah I think it's possible.

Things can go from bad to worst for CSA if a banned is imposed by ICC. I do not think ICC will go ahead and ban them straight away because the issue here is related to corruption with in CSA as per the article. ICC would give some time to CSA to get this issue resolved befor taking any action.

Yeah ICC and CSA don't want this and will try to avoid such scenario, as of now CSA first option is to challenge The South African Sports Confederation and Olympic Committee (SASCOC) legally and see what happens, if things goes south then CSA is $%ked for sure.

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SA Olympic body already sent letter to ICC
SA Olympic body writes to ICC, says CSA takeover is not government interference

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In a letter to the ICC dated Saturday, which Cricbuzz has seen, the acting president of the South African Sports Confederation and Olympic Committee (SASCOC), Aleck Skhosana, writes, "At no stage does or did SASCOC act under the direction or control of the minister of sport in the country [Nathi Mthethwa], or the government of the republic of South Africa. Accordingly, SASCOC rejects any allegation or insinuation that the SASCOC intervention constitutes government interference."

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 12, 2020, 08:27:52 AM

Quote from: RamBahadur.Gurung on September 12, 2020, 08:05:31 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on September 11, 2020, 05:20:06 PM

South African Olympic body removes CSA board; takes control of cricket

Zimbabwe received a raw deal from the ICC, as they got suspended and were barred from receiving funds. Do the ICC have courage to do the same with South Africa? Especially at a time when the chairman election is due? These suspensions work only against smaller boards who have small number of supporters and not against larger boards such as South Africa.

South Africa was semi-banned from playing the international cricket due to their government's racist policy (1970 -1991) so as far as banning decision goes yeah I think it's possible.

Things can go from bad to worst for CSA if a banned is imposed by ICC. I do not think ICC will go ahead and ban them straight away because the issue here is related to corruption with in CSA as per the article. ICC would give some time to CSA to get this issue resolved befor taking any action.

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Quote from: RamBahadur.Gurung on September 12, 2020, 08:05:31 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on September 11, 2020, 05:20:06 PM

South African Olympic body removes CSA board; takes control of cricket

Zimbabwe received a raw deal from the ICC, as they got suspended and were barred from receiving funds. Do the ICC have courage to do the same with South Africa? Especially at a time when the chairman election is due? These suspensions work only against smaller boards who have small number of supporters and not against larger boards such as South Africa.

South Africa was semi-banned from playing the international cricket due to their government's racist policy (1970 -1991) so as far as banning decision goes yeah I think it's possible.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 11, 2020, 05:20:06 PM

Alarming news for South Africa Cricket. Their Olympic body taking over CSA under its control and firing existing cricket board, technically government taking over. Implication? According to ICC constitution Cricket board should work as autonomously body and no government interference is allowed, if not then it could lead to ban from the International Cricket. More or less similar thing happened with the Zimbabwe cricket too.

South African Olympic body removes CSA board; takes control of cricket

Zimbabwe received a raw deal from the ICC, as they got suspended and were barred from receiving funds. Do the ICC have courage to do the same with South Africa? Especially at a time when the chairman election is due? These suspensions work only against smaller boards who have small number of supporters and not against larger boards such as South Africa.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 11, 2020, 05:20:06 PM

Alarming news for South Africa Cricket. Their Olympic body taking over CSA under its control and firing existing cricket board, technically government taking over. Implication? According to ICC constitution Cricket board should work as autonomously body and no government interference is allowed, if not then it could lead to ban from the International Cricket. More or less similar thing happened with the Zimbabwe cricket too.

South African Olympic body removes CSA board; takes control of cricket

A big setback for them as they are facing problems like this After Dr Ali Baqar they never been good in administration and losing things just because of corrupt peoples and too much involvement of politics like Zimbabwe after re-entering in cricket Dr Ali Baqar handle things very smoothly and they was really on top but after him they are now down to bottom.

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Alarming news for South Africa Cricket. Their Olympic body taking over CSA under its control and firing existing cricket board, technically government taking over. Implication? According to ICC constitution Cricket board should work as autonomously body and no government interference is allowed, if not then it could lead to ban from the International Cricket. More or less similar thing happened with the Zimbabwe cricket too.

South African Olympic body removes CSA board; takes control of cricket

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Quote from: MFahad on September 10, 2020, 10:13:32 AM

If they have such a organized process in place for the selection of chairman for ICC, why some people complain that incompetent people are selected on this seat or politics is involved in selection. Aren't this process transparent ?

The voting process was changed a few years ago. Before that, there were only 12 votes in total and powerful boards could indirectly "bribe" the smaller boards by offering them cricket tours. After the elevation of Afghanistan and Ireland, the situation changed. It became difficult for the larger boards to dictate terms by bribing two or three smaller boards. Now 9 votes are needed for a majority.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on September 10, 2020, 05:20:28 PM

There are powers and factors which influence the decisions and nothing is transparent as it seems to be. Politics is involved everywhere and also in cricket. You can check who are the last few chairman selected for ICC and can understand whom is influencing the decisions.

While i agree on power struggle and influence, as that's how things gets sorted in the real world but remember it goes both ways (positive and negative) . Check vishnu's post about the big reform.. (BIG 3 Revenue model)

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There is no doubt that BCCI is causing a lot of damage to the smaller nations, by choking their revenue inflow from the ICC. But why do you think that someone from the smaller nations may be able to do more than what Shashank Manohar has done? Manohar, despite being an Indian national was the mastermind behind the redistribution of the ICC revenues. Without him, the smaller nations would be receiving nothing more than breadcrumbs.

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Quote from: MFahad on September 09, 2020, 11:04:51 AM

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How do they select the the chairman of ICC ? Doesn't all the boards have have a say in selecting the chairperson of ICC ?

There should be a mechanism of voting among all the cricket boards so that no one can influence on the decision of selecting the chairman of ICC.

As far as i know its goes something like that, i might be missing the details tho..

-Each member of ICC board ( they are called directors) nominates the candidates. Board is made up with 12 Full members+ 3 Associate members.
-The ones who gets the majority of votes (minimum 2) from the Full members goes into election process.

If they have such a organized process in place for the selection of chairman for ICC, why some people complain that incompetent people are selected on this seat or politics is involved in selection. Aren't this process transparent ?

Quote from: BitSat19 on September 08, 2020, 01:36:59 PM

BCCI is Gold Mine for Indian Politicians still many involve in through relatives or byself so its not going to stopped in near future because there is no law for this and ICC also have no law that they can prevent any one to become ICC President this need some good deep roots or persons like Ganguly because just with this we can stop corruption and corrupt peoples.

There are powers and factors which influence the decisions and nothing is transparent as it seems to be. Politics is involved everywhere and also in cricket. You can check who are the last few chairman selected for ICC and can understand whom is influencing the decisions.

We are living in hypocrate world where every one going for his own sack just happening in this ICC as well big 3 still not want to give others their right and want more influence on this and smalls want some big share this will go on most probably for some long time because transparency in not coming in just few days or weeks its need some good time and many other factors.

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Quote from: MFahad on September 10, 2020, 10:13:32 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on September 09, 2020, 10:32:39 PM

Quote from: MFahad on September 09, 2020, 11:04:51 AM

~snip~

How do they select the the chairman of ICC ? Doesn't all the boards have have a say in selecting the chairperson of ICC ?

There should be a mechanism of voting among all the cricket boards so that no one can influence on the decision of selecting the chairman of ICC.

As far as i know its goes something like that, i might be missing the details tho..

-Each member of ICC board ( they are called directors) nominates the candidates. Board is made up with 12 Full members+ 3 Associate members.
-The ones who gets the majority of votes (minimum 2) from the Full members goes into election process.

If they have such a organized process in place for the selection of chairman for ICC, why some people complain that incompetent people are selected on this seat or politics is involved in selection. Aren't this process transparent ?

Quote from: BitSat19 on September 08, 2020, 01:36:59 PM

BCCI is Gold Mine for Indian Politicians still many involve in through relatives or byself so its not going to stopped in near future because there is no law for this and ICC also have no law that they can prevent any one to become ICC President this need some good deep roots or persons like Ganguly because just with this we can stop corruption and corrupt peoples.

There are powers and factors which influence the decisions and nothing is transparent as it seems to be. Politics is involved everywhere and also in cricket. You can check who are the last few chairman selected for ICC and can understand whom is influencing the decisions.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 09, 2020, 10:32:39 PM

Quote from: MFahad on September 09, 2020, 11:04:51 AM

~snip~

How do they select the the chairman of ICC ? Doesn't all the boards have have a say in selecting the chairperson of ICC ?

There should be a mechanism of voting among all the cricket boards so that no one can influence on the decision of selecting the chairman of ICC.

As far as i know its goes something like that, i might be missing the details tho..

-Each member of ICC board ( they are called directors) nominates the candidates. Board is made up with 12 Full members+ 3 Associate members.
-The ones who gets the majority of votes (minimum 2) from the Full members goes into election process.

If they have such a organized process in place for the selection of chairman for ICC, why some people complain that incompetent people are selected on this seat or politics is involved in selection. Aren't this process transparent ?

Quote from: BitSat19 on September 08, 2020, 01:36:59 PM

BCCI is Gold Mine for Indian Politicians still many involve in through relatives or byself so its not going to stopped in near future because there is no law for this and ICC also have no law that they can prevent any one to become ICC President this need some good deep roots or persons like Ganguly because just with this we can stop corruption and corrupt peoples.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 09, 2020, 10:51:10 PM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on September 09, 2020, 10:38:10 PM

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and the other two are Indra Nooyi and Manu Sawhney.

Do Independent director and chief executive take part in voting process? Not sure about Independent director but Chief executive doesn't has any say in voting.

Manu Sawhney doesn't have voting rights as per this article:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/icc-board-meet-nomination-process-for-next-chairman-is-primary-agenda/story-IlcYdUUj9AdfOS24UQUhYK.html

That means that there are 16 votes available and 9 is needed for a simple majority. The only contenders as of now are Colin Graves of ECB and Dave Cameron of CWI. Although Cameron was the former president of CWI, they have issued a statement saying that the CWI will be favoring Graves for the post. If the election is held now, Graves will be easily elected with a simple majority and that explains the desperation from Ehsan Mani.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on September 09, 2020, 10:38:10 PM

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and the other two are Indra Nooyi and Manu Sawhney.

Do Independent director and chief executive take part in voting process? Not sure about Independent director but Chief executive doesn't has any say in voting.

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Quote from: MFahad on September 09, 2020, 11:04:51 AM

How do they select the the chairman of ICC ? Doesn't all the boards have have a say in selecting the chairperson of ICC ?
There should be a mechanism of voting among all the cricket boards so that no one can influence on the decision of selecting the chairman of ICC.

They are yet to finalize the process. The normal method is to select a candidate with two-thirds majority, but this time some of the member boards want to elect the first candidate who receive a simple majority. There are a total of 17 votes, and if they go for simple majority, then 9 votes are needed. Out of the 17 voters, 12 are from test nations, 3 from Associate nations (Malaysia, Scotland and Singapore) and the other two are Indra Nooyi and Manu Sawhney.

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Quote from: MFahad on September 09, 2020, 11:04:51 AM

~snip~

How do they select the the chairman of ICC ? Doesn't all the boards have have a say in selecting the chairperson of ICC ?

There should be a mechanism of voting among all the cricket boards so that no one can influence on the decision of selecting the chairman of ICC.

As far as i know its goes something like that, i might be missing the details tho..

-Each member of ICC board ( they are called directors) nominates the candidates. Board is made up with 12 Full members+ 3 Associate members.
-The ones who gets the majority of votes (minimum 2) from the Full members goes into election process.

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Quote from: MFahad on September 09, 2020, 11:04:51 AM

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Quote from: BitSat19 on September 08, 2020, 01:36:59 PM

BCCI is Gold Mine for Indian Politicians still many involve in through relatives or byself so its not going to stopped in near future because there is no law for this and ICC also have no law that they can prevent any one to become ICC President this need some good deep roots or persons like Ganguly because just with this we can stop corruption and corrupt peoples.

Rather than Ganguly, I would like to see Sachin Tendulkar as the chairman of the ICC. Ganguly is already holding a powerful position (as he is the current head of the Board of Control for Cricket in India). I am sure that ex-players such as Sachin and Saurav are a hundred times better than businessmen such as N Srinivasan, Sharad Pawar and Colin Graves.

How do they select the the chairman of ICC ? Doesn't all the boards have have a say in selecting the chairperson of ICC ?

There should be a mechanism of voting among all the cricket boards so that no one can influence on the decision of selecting the chairman of ICC.

This isn't gonna happen now or then. Cricket is complete business, and government is making good revenue out of it. Upon the same the governments hands will be found over it. At least some players are into the position, which is good compared to the past. Surely there'll be some voting procedure, but if everyone is supporting particular person the voting won't be conducted. Ganguly too got selected in such a voting method.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 08, 2020, 11:23:07 PM

Quote from: BitSat19 on September 08, 2020, 01:36:59 PM

BCCI is Gold Mine for Indian Politicians still many involve in through relatives or byself so its not going to stopped in near future because there is no law for this and ICC also have no law that they can prevent any one to become ICC President this need some good deep roots or persons like Ganguly because just with this we can stop corruption and corrupt peoples.

Rather than Ganguly, I would like to see Sachin Tendulkar as the chairman of the ICC. Ganguly is already holding a powerful position (as he is the current head of the Board of Control for Cricket in India). I am sure that ex-players such as Sachin and Saurav are a hundred times better than businessmen such as N Srinivasan, Sharad Pawar and Colin Graves.

How do they select the the chairman of ICC ? Doesn't all the boards have have a say in selecting the chairperson of ICC ?

There should be a mechanism of voting among all the cricket boards so that no one can influence on the decision of selecting the chairman of ICC.

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But I read that he served as a member of parliament for sometime and therefore thought that he may be having some administration experience. In case Sachin is not suitable for the job, we still have a number of ex-players who can be considered. First one comes to my mind right now is Kumar Sangakkara.

Sachin was nominated in arts quota and hence became the member of parliament and he never displayed any administrative skills and i do not think that he will be interested in the job, Kumar Sangakkara on the other hand is a lawyer and he will be the right candidate for the post.

If we have player like Sangakkara then surely this is going to be best for cricket and spirit of game as he is really capable of handling many things but currently he is not interested in this may take some time and then we have person like this in administration.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 09, 2020, 12:05:20 AM

But I read that he served as a member of parliament for sometime and therefore thought that he may be having some administration experience. In case Sachin is not suitable for the job, we still have a number of ex-players who can be considered. First one comes to my mind right now is Kumar Sangakkara.

Sachin was nominated in arts quota and hence became the member of parliament and he never displayed any administrative skills and i do not think that he will be interested in the job, Kumar Sangakkara on the other hand is a lawyer and he will be the right candidate for the post.

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