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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on September 08, 2020, 01:54:18 AM

you are right . we will not want to see this type of corrupt people as the president of the ICC . We need some good and neutral person . who will look at all countries in the same way and think of the good of all country . We don't want to see the impact of BCCI on ICC anymore . We want the ICC work independently

It has been more than three months since Shashank Manohar resigned from the post of ICC Chairman. Till now, they are not able to find someone to be his successor. Shashank did a great job, undoing the damage previously done by incompetent and corrupt people such as Srinivasan and Pawar. We need someone to take his work forward. Someone who cares about the sport, and at the same time having a clean background.

BCCI is Gold Mine for Indian Politicians still many involve in through relatives or byself so its not going to stopped in near future because there is no law for this and ICC also have no law that they can prevent any one to become ICC President this need some good deep roots or persons like Ganguly because just with this we can stop corruption and corrupt peoples.

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Dalmiya was really pioneer person in Cricket management he bring some good things which help too much but sadly after him no one capable to do this all so we lost some good which is not recoverable specailly srinivasan was bring many bad things which hurt too much right now if they feel then surely they can take some good changes and give equal rights to all which could be good for ICC and cricket as well.

Dalmiya was successful in keeping politics away from cricket. But that changed after he was replaced as the ICC president. It was disgraceful that people such as Sharad Pawar managed to become the ICC president. He is known as one of the most corrupt politicians in India and has zero association with cricket. His term was a big setback for the sports. Hopefully such people will never manage to get to that post again, since the voting structure has been changed.

you are right. we will not want to see this type of corrupt people as the president of the ICC. We need some good and neutral person. Who, will look at all countries in the same way and think of the good of all country. We don't want to see the impact of BCCI on ICC anymore. We want the ICC work independently.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on September 06, 2020, 02:54:08 AM

We have seen how India wants to influence the ICC . And in many cases they are successful . For example ,this time the ICC t20 world cup was not held but the IPL is will be held . Many people believe that India had a role to play in not holding the world cup this year. They didn't want the world cup to be held because it would have made the IPL uncertain. For this type of reason we need someone who is qualified for this post and no one/country can influence him . If he is impartial then it does not matter that where is he from .

There is no doubt that BCCI is causing a lot of damage to the smaller nations, by choking their revenue inflow from the ICC. But why do you think that someone from the smaller nations may be able to do more than what Shashank Manohar has done? Manohar, despite being an Indian national was the mastermind behind the redistribution of the ICC revenues. Without him, the smaller nations would be receiving nothing more than breadcrumbs.

still Manohar is the culprit for some members here.

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Exactly he was pretty different from previous Chairman Shrinivaasan who was a greedy person, but some people always feel that an Indian would always favour his own home country board but Manohar has gone against all the odds for betterment of cricket.

Shrinivaasan was removed from the BCCI and legally he has been dealt with. So, there is no need to drag him here as he will never come into cricket spotlight in the future.

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Dalmiya was successful in keeping politics away from cricket. But that changed after he was replaced as the ICC president. It was disgraceful that people such as Sharad Pawar managed to become the ICC president. He is known as one of the most corrupt politicians in India and has zero association with cricket. His term was a big setback for the sports. Hopefully such people will never manage to get to that post again, since the voting structure has been changed.

He is the reason why Dada and MSD are part of Indian cricket. Do not know a lot about Sharad Pawar but he is known to be the most corrupt politician till date.

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Quote from: Indymoney on September 07, 2020, 03:33:16 PM

Dalmiya was really pioneer person in Cricket management he bring some good things which help too much but sadly after him no one capable to do this all so we lost some good which is not recoverable specailly srinivasan was bring many bad things which hurt too much right now if they feel then surely they can take some good changes and give equal rights to all which could be good for ICC and cricket as well.

Dalmiya was successful in keeping politics away from cricket. But that changed after he was replaced as the ICC president. It was disgraceful that people such as Sharad Pawar managed to become the ICC president. He is known as one of the most corrupt politicians in India and has zero association with cricket. His term was a big setback for the sports. Hopefully such people will never manage to get to that post again, since the voting structure has been changed.

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Quote from: teosanru on September 06, 2020, 10:48:48 AM

Exactly he was pretty different from previous Chairman Shrinivaasan who was a greedy person, but some people always feel that an Indian would always favour his own home country board but Manohar has gone against all the odds for betterment of cricket.

The less talked about Srinivasan, that much better. He was a disgrace. Fellow Indian Jagmohan Dalmiya was the one who did the most for globalizing the sport, when he was the ICC president. The global reach of cricket increased by a great deal during his time. But everything was reversed when people such as Sharad Pawar and David Morgan captured that post. All the good work that was done by Dalmiya was thwarted. People like Pawar and Srinivasan pushed cricket back by at least two decades, for their own selfish and greedy motives.

Dalmiya was really pioneer person in Cricket management he bring some good things which help too much but sadly after him no one capable to do this all so we lost some good which is not recoverable specailly srinivasan was bring many bad things which hurt too much right now if they feel then surely they can take some good changes and give equal rights to all which could be good for ICC and cricket as well.

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Quote from: teosanru on September 06, 2020, 10:48:48 AM

Exactly he was pretty different from previous Chairman Shrinivaasan who was a greedy person, but some people always feel that an Indian would always favour his own home country board but Manohar has gone against all the odds for betterment of cricket.

The less talked about Srinivasan, that much better. He was a disgrace. Fellow Indian Jagmohan Dalmiya was the one who did the most for globalizing the sport, when he was the ICC president. The global reach of cricket increased by a great deal during his time. But everything was reversed when people such as Sharad Pawar and David Morgan captured that post. All the good work that was done by Dalmiya was thwarted. People like Pawar and Srinivasan pushed cricket back by at least two decades, for their own selfish and greedy motives.

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BCCI may choose to leave ICC and setup another international cricket body and definitely many nations would follow BCCI if not all. This would technically make ICC useless. So if BCCI can do this it's pretty obvious that ICC will be influenced by them.

There are already few teams who play international cricket , around 10 - 12 and we can't afford two separate boards to manage only these 12 teams.
ICC knows this and I hope BCCI won't ever take such a bad decision.

Yeah such kind of anarchy would obviously destroy cricket but I think ICC and BCCI would definitely come to some sort of ground to resolve their matter. But yes lot of anarchy would obviously mean destruction of cricket.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on September 06, 2020, 02:54:08 AM

We have seen how India wants to influence the ICC . And in many cases they are successful . For example ,this time the ICC t20 world cup was not held but the IPL is will be held . Many people believe that India had a role to play in not holding the world cup this year. They didn't want the world cup to be held because it would have made the IPL uncertain. For this type of reason we need someone who is qualified for this post and no one/country can influence him . If he is impartial then it does not matter that where is he from .

There is no doubt that BCCI is causing a lot of damage to the smaller nations, by choking their revenue inflow from the ICC. But why do you think that someone from the smaller nations may be able to do more than what Shashank Manohar has done? Manohar, despite being an Indian national was the mastermind behind the redistribution of the ICC revenues. Without him, the smaller nations would be receiving nothing more than breadcrumbs.

Exactly he was pretty different from previous Chairman Shrinivaasan who was a greedy person, but some people always feel that an Indian would always favour his own home country board but Manohar has gone against all the odds for betterment of cricket.

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Ehsan Mani: 'Healthier' to not have next ICC chairman from 'Big Three'. At least someone is able to speak publicly about this.
Common Bangladesh, South Africa , NZ, WI , Srilanka lets protest against Big 3 manipulations.

Why this all of a sudden? Currently Colin Graves (of the England and Wales Cricket Board) is being considered as the frontrunner to succeed Shashank Manohar, and I believe Mani has some personal grudge against him. What the ICC needs right now is someone who is qualified for the job, and not someone who is selected solely on the basis of "smaller nations" quota.

We have seen how India wants to influence the ICC . And in many cases they are successful . For example ,this time the ICC t20 world cup was not held but the IPL is will be held . Many people believe that India had a role to play in not holding the world cup this year. They didn't want the world cup to be held because it would have made the IPL uncertain. For this type of reason we need someone who is qualified for this post and no one/country can influence him . If he is impartial then it does not matter that where is he from .

This is past now. We will have IPL and no T20 WC this year. Its fair enough because it wont be practical to gather all the teams in one venue when pandemic is not over yet, however I understand other reasons for this.

Quote from: teosanru on September 06, 2020, 03:21:39 AM

BCCI may choose to leave ICC and setup another international cricket body and definitely many nations would follow BCCI if not all. This would technically make ICC useless. So if BCCI can do this it's pretty obvious that ICC will be influenced by them.

There are already few teams who play international cricket , around 10 - 12 and we can't afford two separate boards to manage only these 12 teams.
ICC knows this and I hope BCCI won't ever take such a bad decision.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 06, 2020, 01:19:33 AM

Ehsan Mani: 'Healthier' to not have next ICC chairman from 'Big Three'. At least someone is able to speak publicly about this.

Common Bangladesh, South Africa , NZ, WI , Srilanka lets protest against Big 3 manipulations.

Truth is that Shashank Manohar was a president who actually went against BCCI many times and technically was the one who suspended the big 3 model from ICC. Moreover there is almost a zero chance that anyone from Pakistan would be given a chair at ICC.

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Ehsan Mani: 'Healthier' to not have next ICC chairman from 'Big Three'. At least someone is able to speak publicly about this.
Common Bangladesh, South Africa , NZ, WI , Srilanka lets protest against Big 3 manipulations.

Why this all of a sudden? Currently Colin Graves (of the England and Wales Cricket Board) is being considered as the frontrunner to succeed Shashank Manohar, and I believe Mani has some personal grudge against him. What the ICC needs right now is someone who is qualified for the job, and not someone who is selected solely on the basis of "smaller nations" quota.

We have seen how India wants to influence the ICC . And in many cases they are successful . For example ,this time the ICC t20 world cup was not held but the IPL is will be held . Many people believe that India had a role to play in not holding the world cup this year. They didn't want the world cup to be held because it would have made the IPL uncertain. For this type of reason we need someone who is qualified for this post and no one/country can influence him . If he is impartial then it does not matter that where is he from .

I won't deny what you said but it's just the partial truth. Shashank manohar was the only one who was able to leash the big growing BCCI even gave them a cut in the revenues unlike previous Chairman who were more sort of representatives of BCCI. Moreover , I think BCCI's influence comes due to the power of viewership they have. I read somewhere that BCCI and England cricket board always have been like minded in their thoughts. Morever if ICC gets into too much of fight with BCCI. BCCI may choose to leave ICC and setup another international cricket body and definitely many nations would follow BCCI if not all. This would technically make ICC useless. So if BCCI can do this it's pretty obvious that ICC will be influenced by them.

This is a pretty nice channel which highlighted this fact: https://youtu.be/oSKD5uV7nVE

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 06, 2020, 01:26:30 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 06, 2020, 01:19:33 AM

Ehsan Mani: 'Healthier' to not have next ICC chairman from 'Big Three'. At least someone is able to speak publicly about this.
Common Bangladesh, South Africa , NZ, WI , Srilanka lets protest against Big 3 manipulations.

Why this all of a sudden? Currently Colin Graves (of the England and Wales Cricket Board) is being considered as the frontrunner to succeed Shashank Manohar, and I believe Mani has some personal grudge against him. What the ICC needs right now is someone who is qualified for the job, and not someone who is selected solely on the basis of "smaller nations" quota.

We have seen how India wants to influence the ICC. And in many cases, they are successful. For example, this time the ICC t20 world cup was not held but the IPL is will be held. Many people believe that India had a role to play in not holding the world cup this year. They didn't want the world cup to be held because it would have made the IPL uncertain. For this type of reason, we need someone who is qualified for this post and no one/country can influence him. If he is impartial then it does not matter that where is he from.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 06, 2020, 01:19:33 AM

Ehsan Mani: 'Healthier' to not have next ICC chairman from 'Big Three'. At least someone is able to speak publicly about this.

Common Bangladesh, South Africa , NZ, WI , Srilanka lets protest against Big 3 manipulations.

You won't find much support for your protest in this forum because majority of the people belong to India on this board and few of them from England too.

Wouldn't it better if he could name a person whom should be the next chairman of ICC or he is aiming himself for the seat Cool

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 06, 2020, 01:19:33 AM

Ehsan Mani: 'Healthier' to not have next ICC chairman from 'Big Three'. At least someone is able to speak publicly about this.
Common Bangladesh, South Africa , NZ, WI , Srilanka lets protest against Big 3 manipulations.

Why this all of a sudden? Currently Colin Graves (of the England and Wales Cricket Board) is being considered as the frontrunner to succeed Shashank Manohar, and I believe Mani has some personal grudge against him. What the ICC needs right now is someone who is qualified for the job, and not someone who is selected solely on the basis of "smaller nations" quota.

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In the SENA nations (especially England and New Zealand), people would like to go out for the entire day and watch the cricket match in the stands, when there is mild sunshine and pleasant weather. But that is not the case in the sub-continent, when summer temperature can rise to 45 degree Celsius. It is not a very gratifying experience to be with a huge crowd from 9 am to 5 pm under these tiring conditions.

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Holy cow Juggy777 so many articles eh.. using phone so can't read all, Sorry Grin

This article posted by Juggy777 caught my attention:

https://www.thecitizen.in/index.php/en/NewsDetail/index/11/16740/Fans-and-Players-Overwhelmingly-Favour-Test-Cricket---But-is-the-ICC-Interested

I claims that the fans and the players are overwhelmingly favoring test format. I don't think that this is accurate. Because at least in my area, the number of cricket fans who favor the longer format are less in number. And talking about the players, obviously we have a few who are concentrating on the longer version after retiring from the shorter format. But the number who went in the opposite direction is far higher.

I don't see much problem in SENA countries as far as crowd is concern. In England and Australia test following is almost intact, South Africa generate fair amount of crowd or on many occasion house full. New Zealand already gets few tests so fans still have some interest. Problem lies with in Indian subcontinent so you are not completely wrong about your neighborhood.

About players jumping from the ship. IMO It happens with the establish players, if you look at ground level eg; Coaching center and domestic level. Majority of players likes to play in the longer version of game first. If this survey took place around any coaching center (They didn't mentioned tho) then it has no value or has biased voices for obvious reasons.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 04, 2020, 01:38:34 AM

Holy cow Juggy777 so many articles eh.. using phone so can't read all, Sorry Grin

This article posted by Juggy777 caught my attention:

https://www.thecitizen.in/index.php/en/NewsDetail/index/11/16740/Fans-and-Players-Overwhelmingly-Favour-Test-Cricket---But-is-the-ICC-Interested

It claims that the fans and the players are overwhelmingly favoring test format. I don't think that this is accurate. Because at least in my area, the number of cricket fans who favor the longer format are less in number. And talking about the players, obviously we have a few who are concentrating on the longer version after retiring from the shorter format. But the number who went in the opposite direction is far higher.

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@JSRAW I had to study the Ranji three tier system to get a better understanding of what you’ll want, and after reading about it I have to agree that it can definitely be implemented by the ICC. However I don’t expect this to be implemented anytime soon, because currently ICC isn’t concerned about Test cricket. Lastly as fans of this game we can only hope, that at some stage ICC will seriously work on reviving Test cricket.

With every passing year, the number of fans who prefer the longer format goes down. T10/T20/ODI are far more popular nowadays and only a few die-hard traditionalists favor the test matches. Another factor that is having an impact on the popularity is the increasing gap between the big 3 teams and the rest. In the shorter format, the weaker teams still have a chance. But in the longer format, the matches are increasingly becoming one-sided.

The problem is time, cricket fans do not have the time nor the patience to sit and watch a game that take 5 days. The shoter the format the lesser the time it will take to finish.

Shorter formats are also the source for excitement in cricket due to their close finish.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on September 03, 2020, 11:00:59 PM

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Your suggestion is different from my and vishnu but Tier/group system in Ranji sounds good to me as i already support this idea in international cricket(Test), with this they don't need to remove any team and group system ensures competitive cricket among the strong teams.

In test cricket, the divisions are not well defined. The first division comprises of 9 teams, and the second division comprises of just 3 (Zimbabwe, Ireland and Afghanistan). I would have opted for even number of teams in both the divisions. So there should be 6 teams in the first division and 6 in the second division. This could have prevented the occurrence of lopsided matches.

We discussed this couple of times, I wrote about it in details last year or so, can't find that post but recently you, me, eality and others were discussing the very same topic, quoting same reply here

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In current situation, i would like to see Group system in the Test Cricket.

Group A : Top 6 teams
Group B : Bottom 6 teams

Replace bottom teams (4 and 5) from Group A > with topper teams ( 7 and 8 ) of Group B. After every FTP cycle.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on September 03, 2020, 11:29:37 PM

@JSRAW I had to study the Ranji three tier system to get a better understanding of what you’ll want, and after reading about it I have to agree that it can definitely be implemented by the ICC. However I don’t expect this to be implemented anytime soon, because currently ICC isn’t concerned about Test cricket. Lastly as fans of this game we can only hope, that at some stage ICC will seriously work on reviving Test cricket.

With every passing year, the number of fans who prefer the longer format goes down. T10/T20/ODI are far more popular nowadays and only a few die-hard traditionalists favor the test matches. Another factor that is having an impact on the popularity is the increasing gap between the big 3 teams and the rest. In the shorter format, the weaker teams still have a chance. But in the longer format, the matches are increasingly becoming one-sided.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 03, 2020, 07:31:49 AM

Okay it seems our view points are radically different on this issue. In existing system i don't mind less teams in Ranji but if we want to mine the raw talent then am in favor of more teams in domestic condition apply, already tried to touch the subject in my previous reply to Sithara007.

I am also in favor of the current setup. Ranji Trophy is divided into three tiers, so the quality is maintained. Out of the 38 teams, 18 are placed in the top tier and another 10 are placed in the middle tier. A total of 10 teams (such as Mizoram and Sikkim) make up the Plate Group, which is the third tier. You may not witness matches such as Mumbai vs Manipur or Karnataka vs Nagaland very often.

Your suggestion is different from my and vishnu but Tier/group system in Ranji sounds good to me as i already support this idea in international cricket(Test), with this they don't need to remove any team and group system ensures competitive cricket among the strong teams.

@JSRAW I had to study the Ranji three tier system to get a better understanding of what you’ll want, and after reading about it I have to agree that it can definitely be implemented by the ICC. However I don’t expect this to be implemented anytime soon, because currently ICC isn’t concerned about Test cricket. Lastly as fans of this game we can only hope, that at some stage ICC will seriously work on reviving Test cricket.

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From the 2018-19 season, the teams contested in three-tiers. Five teams will qualify for the quarter-finals from the top tier (known as Elite Group A and Group B). Two teams will qualify from the second-tier (Elite Group C) and One team from the lower-tier (Plate Group) for the quarter-finals.

Sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranji_Trophy

https://www.thecitizen.in/index.php/en/NewsDetail/index/11/16740/Fans-and-Players-Overwhelmingly-Favour-Test-Cricket---But-is-the-ICC-Interested

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cricket/story/test-cricket-dying-icc-chairman-shashank-manohar-t20is-revnue-cricket-olympics-1450946-2019-02-07

https://m.dailyhunt.in/news/india/english/cricket+addictor+english-epaper-cricaden/kevin+pietersen+opens+up+on+how+to+revive+test+cricket-newsid-n169678654

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