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England have started very strongly in second innings and are 86/0. Sibley and Burns have provided them the good platform and England are already leading by 260 runs. They can start batting aggressive from now and try to make a good big lead and ask West Indies to bat and get them all out quickly so that even if rain some overs, England still have chance to get WI all out in remaining time.

In my opinion, Sibley and Burns could have scored runs a bit more aggressively. During the second session today, they were scoring at around 2.5 runs per over. The run rate improved only when Joe Root came to the crease after Dom Sibley got out. Right now they are leading by 314, with nine wickets in hand. I don't know what prevents them from scoring 100-150 runs from the remaining overs today (25 overs remain). If I were the captain, then I would have asked them to score another 120-160 runs from 20 overs and then left 5 overs for West Indies to bat.

At this moment, England lead by 341 runs. it is huge enough to defeat West-Indies team. I hope England will be able to play until day 4, in session 1 and I think they will give target more than 400 runs. It is an easy test for England team now, cause England's fast bowlers will be able to put pressure easily on the West indies team on last day.

Well, England has taken a brave decision and declared the innings a bit too quickly. 393 is the target for them and i must say that it is achievable if
W- indies team bat sensibly.

Edit: look like they cant bat sensibly. they are already two down. Cheesy

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England have started very strongly in second innings and are 86/0. Sibley and Burns have provided them the good platform and England are already leading by 260 runs. They can start batting aggressive from now and try to make a good big lead and ask West Indies to bat and get them all out quickly so that even if rain some overs, England still have chance to get WI all out in remaining time.

In my opinion, Sibley and Burns could have scored runs a bit more aggressively. During the second session today, they were scoring at around 2.5 runs per over. The run rate improved only when Joe Root came to the crease after Dom Sibley got out. Right now they are leading by 314, with nine wickets in hand. I don't know what prevents them from scoring 100-150 runs from the remaining overs today (25 overs remain). If I were the captain, then I would have asked them to score another 120-160 runs from 20 overs and then left 5 overs for West Indies to bat.

At this moment, England lead by 341 runs. it is huge enough to defeat West-Indies team. I hope England will be able to play until day 4, in session 1 and I think they will give target more than 400 runs. It is an easy test for England team now, cause England's fast bowlers will be able to put pressure easily on the West indies team on last day.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on July 26, 2020, 11:50:13 AM

15 overs remain for the day and I guess they can score another 90-100 runs to take the lead to 450. Holder is not looking 100% fit and the two most inefficient bowlers (Rahkeem Cornwall and Roston Chase) are bowling right now. IMO, a lead of 450-460 should be enough to beat West Indies. Remember that England went to this test with 5 full time bowlers (in addition to Stokes) and they can easily bowl them out.

What is the point in having a lead of 450 runs, i was getting frustrated that they are not declaring and waiting for Burns to get his century, the weather situation is not that great tomorrow and luckily Burns got out in the 90s and immediately they declared the innings and West Indies have a battle of how long they are going to last so that the amount i wagged will be returning back to my account Cheesy

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England have started very strongly in second innings and are 86/0. Sibley and Burns have provided them the good platform and England are already leading by 260 runs. They can start batting aggressive from now and try to make a good big lead and ask West Indies to bat and get them all out quickly so that even if rain some overs, England still have chance to get WI all out in remaining time.

England are now 355 runs ahead. The big question is when they should declare. I think 450 will be a good target. They can stretch the lead to 500 but they also have to take into account the weather conditions and the rain could also effect the match.

15 overs remain for the day and I guess they can score another 90-100 runs to take the lead to 450. Holder is not looking 100% fit and the two most inefficient bowlers (Rahkeem Cornwall and Roston Chase) are bowling right now. IMO, a lead of 450-460 should be enough to beat West Indies. Remember that England went to this test with 5 full time bowlers (in addition to Stokes) and they can easily bowl them out.

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England have started very strongly in second innings and are 86/0. Sibley and Burns have provided them the good platform and England are already leading by 260 runs. They can start batting aggressive from now and try to make a good big lead and ask West Indies to bat and get them all out quickly so that even if rain some overs, England still have chance to get WI all out in remaining time.

England are now 355 runs ahead. The big question is when they should declare. I think 450 will be a good target. They can stretch the lead to 500 but they also have to take into account the weather conditions and the rain could also effect the match.

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England have started very strongly in second innings and are 86/0. Sibley and Burns have provided them the good platform and England are already leading by 260 runs. They can start batting aggressive from now and try to make a good big lead and ask West Indies to bat and get them all out quickly so that even if rain some overs, England still have chance to get WI all out in remaining time.

In my opinion, Sibley and Burns could have scored runs a bit more aggressively. During the second session today, they were scoring at around 2.5 runs per over. The run rate improved only when Joe Root came to the crease after Dom Sibley got out. Right now they are leading by 314, with nine wickets in hand. I don't know what prevents them from scoring 100-150 runs from the remaining overs today (25 overs remain). If I were the captain, then I would have asked them to score another 120-160 runs from 20 overs and then left 5 overs for West Indies to bat.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on July 26, 2020, 08:19:32 AM

Rain interruption is predicted in Manchester for today and tomorrow, so I don't think that they will get that many overs. What they need to do is to score at least 4-5 runs per over. Right now both Rory Burns and Dom Sibley are batting very cautiously. I would have liked Ben Stokes up in the order, but it seems like he is not 100% fit. That can have a huge negative impact on the ability of England to score quick runs.

It is possible that we might see some precipitation later today or tomorrow morning according to the weather reports and West Indies is that lucky then the rain interruption will help them but they are in deep trouble considering they are behind 218 and England will look to score an impossible target and the last day is more than enough to pick all the wickets as England has the bowling unit to create all the problems.

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Quote from: JSRAW on July 26, 2020, 08:16:10 AM

Total 8 session left in this test match, if there is no rain.

To get 450-500 total runs they need more than 2 session. let's say England batting 3 full session (Around 80-90 overs, enough rest for English bowlers) and score as much as run possible, if they keep up with the 3 RR then its easy 240-270 more runs +First inning lead. In case they go above 3 RR then its a plus. No batting collapse from England in this scenario.

Rain interruption is predicted in Manchester for today and tomorrow, so I don't think that they will get that many overs. What they need to do is to score at least 4-5 runs per over. Right now both Rory Burns and Dom Sibley are batting very cautiously. I would have liked Ben Stokes up in the order, but it seems like he is not 100% fit. That can have a huge negative impact on the ability of England to score quick runs.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on July 26, 2020, 07:37:25 AM

Right now, England is leading by 182 runs. May be in the second session they can add another 200 or so and then they can declare the innings. But it may be a bit risky and the England captain may decide to bat till the end of the day and get the lead to 450-500. Then Broad/Anderson will get 180 overs to get West Indies out, provided that there are no more rain interruptions and bad light.

Total 8 session left in this test match, if there is no rain.

To get 450-500 total runs they need more than 2 session. let's say England batting 3 full session (Around 80-90 overs, enough rest for English bowlers) and score as much as run possible, if they keep up with the 3 RR then its easy 240-270 more runs +First inning lead. In case they go above 3 RR then its a plus. No batting collapse from England in this scenario.

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The decision to not play Stuart Broad by the selectors and the captain Ben Stokes was critical in the first match and they lost and learned a good lesson and his importance in the long format is proved by his performance in the second and now in the third Test. As expected England is batting and they will try to score over 300 runs and with plenty of time left in the match, there is no way West Indies can make a comeback in this match unless there is weather interruption.

Probably they think that Stuart Broad is close to retirement and they wanted to give chance to some of the younger players (such as Jofra Archer, Mark Wood and Chris Woakes). But IMO, Broad has got a raw deal from the selectors for the last few years. Despite being an all rounder, I have seen him batting at the no.11 slot. The younger bowlers on the other hand, are being given a flurry of opportunities, despite their bad form. Jofra Archer is not performing well for almost an year. But even now the English selectors treat him like he is some sort of divine invention.

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The decision to not play Stuart Broad by the selectors and the captain Ben Stokes was critical in the first match and they lost and learned a good lesson and his importance in the long format is proved by his performance in the second and now in the third Test. As expected England is batting and they will try to score over 300 runs and with plenty of time left in the match, there is no way West Indies can make a comeback in this match unless there is weather interruption.

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Ben Stokes is not 100% fit to ball and definitely can't ball long spell according to English camp (reason: stiffness/niggle during 2nd test). Its safe to assume that English camp don't want to take any risk.

Oh i was not aware of that.

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Right now, England is leading by 182 runs. May be in the second session they can add another 200 or so and then they can declare the innings. But it may be a bit risky and the England captain may decide to bat till the end of the day and get the lead to 450-500. Then Broad/Anderson will get 180 overs to get West Indies out, provided that there are no more rain interruptions and bad light.

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197 all out. This match proves how inconsistent West Indies are. They had a golden opportunity to end the series with a win or draw in the 2nd test, but messed up royally giving the English side the win that they deserve.

I think England will aim at scoring 280 and declaring in order to provide a 450 run lead which should put them in the clear quite easily. If anyone bet on West Indies, they must be feeling disappointed right about now.

England have taken a very good 1st innings lead and this would put lot of pressure on West Indies from now on. Their chances of drawing the test match is also slim unless rain could help them from here. England would give them a target of around 400 probably and would ensure WI gets minimum 1.5 days for their last innings.

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Stuart Broad performed with both the bat and ball. He (along with James Anderson) just proved again why both of them are indispensable to the England bowling attack. On the other hand the two over-hyped players (Jofra Archer, and to an extent Chris Woakes) once again disappointed the fans. I said this before. The decision to drop Broad from the first test was the one of the most idiotic ones I had seen, and it made no sense.

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Quote from: JSRAW on July 26, 2020, 06:18:44 AM

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197 all out. This match proves how inconsistent West Indies are. They had a golden opportunity to end the series with a win or draw in the 2nd test, but messed up royally giving the English side the win that they deserve.

I think England will aim at scoring 280 and declaring in order to provide a 450 run lead which should put them in the clear quite easily. If anyone bet on West Indies, they must be feeling disappointed right about now.

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Windies team will be hoping for the weather to help them in this test match. Also this performance of windies team is not something new. They are not one of the best teams while England is the world champs, so this performance of windies is expected. I don't understand why people hope good performance by the lowest rating team.

I don't think the weather can help the WI as we saw in the last test match it didn't save them. England are in a strong position right now and I think we'll see England bowl them out for less then 200 and England will bat again and put it out of reach for the WI. Its a shame that the WI team can't handle the pressure which is what lets them down a lot of the time. After the first test match it was looking like it could be a good even series but that all changed and now its just one sided.

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Going with the 4 seam bowlers have till now proved to be good decision for England since all have contributed with the ball. WI need another 32 runs to avoid follow on and 4 wickets left. It would be interesting to see if England can impose follow on WI or will they decide to come to bat again even if they get them all out before follow on.

I don't think West-Indies can avoid follow on. They have already lost 6 wickets, now the rest are basically bowlers. I don't think they are able stand in front of England's seam bowlers. Because England's seam bowling line up is one of the hardest lineups in the world. I think, no one are able to save West Indies from losing this series except rain Wink

. let's see what will happen.

West Indies have avoided the follow-on and that is the only good thing in todays play so far for west indies. England are now 172 runs ahead. They will want to score up to 400 as soon as possible to give themselves a full chance to win this match even if the rain hits in patches in remaining days.

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Edit : Any surprises? what if this pair produce some fine batting partnership?

Unless the bowlers bat like how Broad performed earlier, I don't really see any hope for West Indies in this match even if Hodler and Dowrich establish a big partnership. The West Indian bowlers are not known for their batting skills.

Everyone saw this coming ever since West Indies collapsed in the 2nd test. My head says England will win, but my heart wants West Indies to pull off something spectacular.

Guess no surprises, holder gone already.

Everyone loves underdog winning the game but if you are not helping yourself then you don't deserve anything. Windies team can only wish for some kind of miracle now.

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Quote from: JSRAW on July 26, 2020, 04:47:25 AM

^^ old news

It may be old news but i just read it on cricinfo today so decided to share it.

Edit: Oh just checked, it is 5 days old news 20-Jul-2020) , sorry about that.

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Quote from: JSRAW on July 26, 2020, 04:47:25 AM

Edit : Any surprises? what if this pair produce some fine batting partnership?

Unless the bowlers bat like how Broad performed earlier, I don't really see any hope for West Indies in this match even if Hodler and Dowrich establish a big partnership. The West Indian bowlers are not known for their batting skills.

Everyone saw this coming ever since West Indies collapsed in the 2nd test. My head says England will win, but my heart wants West Indies to pull off something spectacular.

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^^ old news

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I don't think they are able stand in front of England's seam bowlers. Because England's seam bowling line up is one of the hardest lineups in the world. I think, no one are able to save West Indies from losing this series except rain Wink

. let's see what will happen.

England bowled 47 overs and we are yet to see Ben Stokes and Dom Bess bowl in this match, they have many option for bowling in this match and i do not think that England will enforce a follow on and all they need is to score a few runs more quick runs and then put West Indies back in the last two days.

Ben Stokes is not 100% fit to ball and definitely can't ball long spell according to English camp (reason: stiffness/niggle during 2nd test). Its safe to assume that English camp don't want to take any risk.

IMO if there is 200 runs lead then England should enforce the follow on.

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Edit : Any surprises? what if this pair produce some fine batting partnership?

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