The last and final test between England and WestIndies will be played tomorrow. This match will decide who is the winner of this test series. The win is important for both the teams especially WestIndies. It will be a big achievement for them to win a test series in England, provided they are able to do so. In about 5 days times, we will see who will take away the Wisden Trophy.
After the second match performance by England I doubt there is any chance that West Indies would be able to survive against them. They have their men back. Even Archer would play the next match and hopefully Anderson too. So the bowling would become even more interesting and difficult to choose from. And yes stokes as we have already seen is on fire so I expect it to be a one sided encounter. 
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The last and final test between England and WestIndies will be played tomorrow. This match will decide who is the winner of this test series. The win is important for both the teams especially WestIndies. It will be a big achievement for them to win a test series in England, provided they are able to do so. In about 5 days times, we will see who will take away the Wisden Trophy.
The real match will be between Jason Holder and Ben Stokes.
Although there may be other things to watch out in this match but i will like to see the battle between these two legends and see who come top of the another.
The last and final test between England and WestIndies will be played tomorrow. This match will decide who is the winner of this test series. The win is important for both the teams especially WestIndies. It will be a big achievement for them to win a test series in England, provided they are able to do so. In about 5 days times, we will see who will take away the Wisden Trophy.
Great list indeed. I consider Kallis ahead of the rest of them even though the statistics put him behind a couple of them considering the fact that he played in recent times when Cricket as a sport got more competitive.
I hate comparing players of different generations and the old legends listed here played the game of cricket because of their passion for the game and not for the money but you cannot say that it was not competitive back in the day as there were no protection for any batsman and the bowlers were ruling the cricket ground but now the opposite as there are many rules and restrictions that favors the batsman and it is a major difference and i can bet the players right now will not play if there were no helmets or body guard and bowlers were targeting their head.As long as they are playing and are professional players they will be compared regardless of their age. They will be only called legends after they retire until then they are part of cut throat competition.
Comparision also help younger players and new talent to shine. If the comparison is stopped there will not be any reason for them to create new records.
I hate comparing players of different generations and the old legends listed here played the game of cricket because of their passion for the game and not for the money but you cannot say that it was not competitive back in the day as there were no protection for any batsman and the bowlers were ruling the cricket ground but now the opposite as there are many rules and restrictions that favors the batsman and it is a major difference and i can bet the players right now will not play if there were no helmets or body guard and bowlers were targeting their head.
I disagree. It doesn't make sense not to compare players of different generations. Have you ever wondered why people ask who the next Sachin, Ronaldo or Federer will be? These comparisons help motivate players of different ages from around the world.Sports players become more and more competitive with time and that is a fact which applies to every sport. For example, 300 was a great score in ODI games a decade ago, but it's an average score these days.
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Yeah I just discovered this. This means that All rounders are rated out of 1000 too. But it's almost impossible for some all rounder to reach the 900 mark because you need to have Batting and bowling ratings of 950+. So then I found highest ratings of a few top all rounder so far. Ben Stokes isn't the best until yet here is the list of others:
These are a few who came to my mind. Looks like no one could beat garry sobers
Garry Sobers batting stats are ridiculously good. If Ben Stokes wants to surpass him in near future then he needs to work on his bowling. Considering his recent bowling rank (23th), i would say real hard work and if continue his batting form for the next 2 years then there is a good chance. These are a few who came to my mind. Looks like no one could beat garry sobers
Being a All-rounder is tough job indeed, that's why we don't see many top-notch all rounders in intl cricket.
These are a few who came to my mind. Looks like no one could beat garry sobers
Great list indeed. I consider Kallis ahead of the rest of them even though the statistics put him behind a couple of them considering the fact that he played in recent times when Cricket as a sport got more competitive.I hate comparing players of different generations and the old legends listed here played the game of cricket because of their passion for the game and not for the money but you cannot say that it was not competitive back in the day as there were no protection for any batsman and the bowlers were ruling the cricket ground but now the opposite as there are many rules and restrictions that favors the batsman and it is a major difference and i can bet the players right now will not play if there were no helmets or body guard and bowlers were targeting their head.
It is wrong to say that all of the old players were passionate about cricket and they never cared for money. And at the same time, it is also not right to paint the current players as money-minded. Cricket is a profession just like any other. If the players earn good amounts of money, then it will allow them to concentrate on the sport without having to worry about anything else. The older generation players were not as lucky as the current ones, since the salaries were very low back then. But I haven't noticed any lack of loyalty or enthusiasm among the current players. Current players such as Virat Kohli and Steve Smith are as enthusiastic about cricket, as anyone else ever was in the past.
And now coming to the unfair advantage given to the batsmen, I believe that it was the rule of the nature. Cricket needs to change with changing times. People are no longer interested in low-scoring matches which can last for 4-5 days. They want quick action with fireworks from the batsmen. If cricket doesn't change, then the fans will dump the sport and may shift somewhere else.
Great list indeed. I consider Kallis ahead of the rest of them even though the statistics put him behind a couple of them considering the fact that he played in recent times when Cricket as a sport got more competitive.
I hate comparing players of different generations and the old legends listed here played the game of cricket because of their passion for the game and not for the money but you cannot say that it was not competitive back in the day as there were no protection for any batsman and the bowlers were ruling the cricket ground but now the opposite as there are many rules and restrictions that favors the batsman and it is a major difference and i can bet the players right now will not play if there were no helmets or body guard and bowlers were targeting their head. These are a few who came to my mind. Looks like no one could beat garry sobers
Great list indeed. I consider Kallis ahead of the rest of them even though the statistics put him behind a couple of them considering the fact that he played in recent times when Cricket as a sport got more competitive.Considering his recent bowling rank (23th), i would say real hard work and if continue his batting form for the next 2 years then there is a good chance.
Being a All-rounder is tough job indeed, that's why we don't see many top-notch all rounders in intl cricket.
Surpassing Sobers is way too tough even for Stokes. I have always considered him a great batsman, but a decent bowler. Even someone like Kallis couldn't surpass Sobers who I consider the best all-rounder of all time(Disregarding the statistics). Being a All-rounder is tough job indeed, that's why we don't see many top-notch all rounders in intl cricket.
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Will it be too early to consider him the man of the series? I hope it is but it also will be rare if he do not perform in the final Test, at-least a 50 and two wickets.
He is top contender for Man of the series, unless Gabriel take 10+ wickets in winning cause but i think Stokes going to get there easily, frankly he's doing everything right for quite some time so i would be surprise if he fails in the next game.Will it be too early to consider him the man of the series? I hope it is but it also will be rare if he do not perform in the final Test, at-least a 50 and two wickets.
Yeah I just discovered this. This means that All rounders are rated out of 1000 too. But it's almost impossible for some all rounder to reach the 900 mark because you need to have Batting and bowling ratings of 950+. So then I found highest ratings of a few top all rounder so far. Ben Stokes isn't the best until yet here is the list of others:
These are a few who came to my mind. Looks like no one could beat garry sobers
Garry Sobers batting stats are ridiculously good. If Ben Stokes wants to surpass him in near future then he needs to work on his bowling. Considering his recent bowling rank (23th), i would say real hard work and if continue his batting form for the next 2 years then there is a good chance. These are a few who came to my mind. Looks like no one could beat garry sobers
Being a All-rounder is tough job indeed, that's why we don't see many top-notch all rounders in intl cricket.
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Woah. As far as I think All rounder ratings are calculated out of 500? Isn't it ? so basically. He is having 497 point out of 500 which actually is pretty huge. I think he might be the first all rounder so far in test who has reached this feat. Unfortunately icc Don't show historical ratings for all-rounders so I am not able to find if he is the only one or not but closest to him i can see Ashwin who reached 492 points once.Ben Stokes points and rank in Test
Ranks 3 in the Test batting = 827 points
Ranks 23 in the Test bowling = 602 points
827*602 = 497854 / 1000 = 497.85 points
Yeah not much info about All rounders history but for batting and bowling its all there, we can calculate for specific players if required.
These are a few who came to my mind. Looks like no one could beat garry sobers
Will it be too early to consider him the man of the series? I hope it is but it also will be rare if he do not perform in the final Test, at-least a 50 and two wickets.
With batting average of 114 and a bowling average of 16 there is no other contender for the man of the series other than Ben Stokes and even if he did not perform well with the bat in the final test he will be winning it as he will pick up atleast a couple of wickets in the entire match and Ben Stokes have become a rare fast bowling all rounder in the modern era as i could not think of another player of that caliber in any team. legendary
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Lol i knew it that you are going to bring that up.
I was avoiding this recent ratings but then i thought its good turn around so what the hell hahaha.
I was avoiding this recent ratings but then i thought its good turn around so what the hell hahaha.
Will it be too early to consider him the man of the series? I hope it is but it also will be rare if he do not perform in the final Test, at-least a 50 and two wickets.
For All rounders its works like that, Pick their points from Batting + Bowling table and multiply them together then divide by 1000.
Where did you get the formula, can you share an authentic source of this calculation? I have tried google this but got none although the calculation you shared seems to be perfect.
For All rounders its works like that, Pick their points from Batting + Bowling table and multiply them together then divide by 1000.
Where did you get the formula, can you share an authentic source of this calculation? I have tried google this but got none although the calculation you shared seems to be perfect. If individual player is the criteria then they have Jason holder, number 1 all-rounder in the Test format and he's leading the team as well 
. Stokes sitting at 2nd spot and gap between them is wide. Stokey got famous but don't underestimate the Holder.
I missed this response. Well, I told you guys that England has Stokesy. I checked the series top scorer, and he is leading in both.. Stokes sitting at 2nd spot and gap between them is wide. Stokey got famous but don't underestimate the Holder.Lol i knew it that you are going to bring that up.
I was avoiding this recent ratings but then i thought its good turn around so what the hell hahaha.
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I thought they could score 1 more run but they are all out for 198
It was stressful for those who had a bet on over/under 199.5 market LOL but lucky me that I had no risk on England to win.If individual player is the criteria then they have Jason holder, number 1 all-rounder in the Test format and he's leading the team as well . Stokes sitting at 2nd spot and gap between them is wide. Stokey got famous but don't underestimate the Holder.
I missed this response. Well, I told you guys that England has Stokesy. I checked the series top scorer, and he is leading in both. . Stokes sitting at 2nd spot and gap between them is wide. Stokey got famous but don't underestimate the Holder.~snip~
Woah. As far as I think All rounder ratings are calculated out of 500? Isn't it ? so basically. He is having 497 point out of 500 which actually is pretty huge. I think he might be the first all rounder so far in test who has reached this feat. Unfortunately icc Don't show historical ratings for all-rounders so I am not able to find if he is the only one or not but closest to him i can see Ashwin who reached 492 points once.Ben Stokes points and rank in Test
Ranks 3 in the Test batting = 827 points
Ranks 23 in the Test bowling = 602 points
827*602 = 497854 / 1000 = 497.85 points
Yeah not much info about All rounders history but for batting and bowling its all there, we can calculate for specific players if required.
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Before this test series Ben Stokes was behind Jason Holder, gap between both players was big. But now after 2 games, he's leading the point table as No 1 all rounder + No 3 rank Batsman in the world. Edit
One positive news : Pakistani Fast bowler Amir joining Test squad in the England.
Hoping to utilize Amir well if he's up to the mark: Waqar Younis
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After losing first test of series they was on target and they done good job as they plan for this all which all gone in their favour its really perfect win for them and Stokes was really on full for home team becasue without this person this was not easy for them to win this match and level series now we are heading for third and final test which is starting from Saturday hopefully this could be also interested as we have first two tests of this series.
Ben Stokes missed a crucial catch in the first match which could have helped England win the game and he settled the score in the second one by scoring a big ton in the first innings and the quick fire innings in the second innings was crucial for taking the target above 300 in a short period of time, watched some of the highlights and both West Indies and England missed some catches in this match too which is terrible and majority are easy chances. After losing first test of series they was on target and they done good job as they plan for this all which all gone in their favour its really perfect win for them and Stokes was really on full for home team becasue without this person this was not easy for them to win this match and level series now we are heading for third and final test which is starting from Saturday hopefully this could be also interested as we have first two tests of this series.
So, the final test will be the deciders as both teams have won one-one match each. Both are well positioned and it will be interesting to see how they perform. I think England might win the last test as they play very well in the second test.
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