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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 04, 2020, 07:10:26 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on May 04, 2020, 01:24:40 AM

Holding is bit late to party but hard to disagree with him when he talks about the test format. Let's hope ICC do some fine tuning next time.

Tldr : WTC points system sucks Grin

‘It doesn’t work’: Michael Holding takes aim at World Test Championship

I am not a big fan of this World Test Championship. We have the ICC test rankings, and I guess that is enough. Having a championship stretching over many years is a bad idea. And that too with a boring format such as test cricket. I would like to see some immediate changes to the way test cricket is played, and WTC is not the answer. First and foremost, we need two divisions in test cricket. And there needs to be a promotion-relegation system attached to it. I would rather suggest a third division for associate nations (with one team getting the promotion to the top tier in every 4 years), but then the current test nations such as Zimbabwe and Ireland may oppose that idea.

Well you and few others made that clear many time here Grin

WTC is not perfect but its something.

ICC should introduce group system in Test, we discussed this before in another thread, right?

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 04, 2020, 01:24:40 AM

Holding is bit late to party but hard to disagree with him when he talks about the test format. Let's hope ICC do some fine tuning next time.

Tldr : WTC points system sucks Grin

‘It doesn’t work’: Michael Holding takes aim at World Test Championship

I am not a big fan of this World Test Championship. We have the ICC test rankings, and I guess that is enough. Having a championship stretching over many years is a bad idea. And that too with a boring format such as test cricket. I would like to see some immediate changes to the way test cricket is played, and WTC is not the answer. First and foremost, we need two divisions in test cricket. And there needs to be a promotion-relegation system attached to it. I would rather suggest a third division for associate nations (with one team getting the promotion to the top tier in every 4 years), but then the current test nations such as Zimbabwe and Ireland may oppose that idea.

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Holding is bit late to party but hard to disagree with him when he talks about the test format. Let's hope ICC do some fine tuning next time.

Tldr : WTC points system sucks Grin

‘It doesn’t work’: Michael Holding takes aim at World Test Championship

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 03, 2020, 08:26:02 AM

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But there can be exceptions. Look at the Caribbean Premier League (CPL). The total population of West Indies is only slightly higher than that in NZ, but they have managed a highly competitive and profitable franchise T20 league (thanks to the large fanbase in India and the US).

Historically people in the Caribbean loves cricket and the love of cricket made them a formidable side in world cricket during the 70s till the mid 90s and they had some world class players and it is because of the love of the game and they always had the stadiums packed and the success of the CPL can be attributed to several countries which is called Caribbean and they have the competitive spirit to take on a side as a fan and cricket is the only sport that combines all these countries together while they participate in other sports like Olympics and Football as individual countries, people in New Zealand loves Rugby and we have not seen huge crowds in cricket stadiums and hence it can be attributed to that.

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on May 01, 2020, 04:05:13 PM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 01, 2020, 01:19:41 PM

Remember that this is a country, which can't even start it's own franchise T20 league. They have a population of just around 4 million, and they don't have superstars such as Steve Smith, Virat Kohli, Joe Root and Quinton de Kock. It is amazing that they could achieve this much with a limited player pool, and even more limited budget.

You have the answer why they never started their own T20 franchise league, it is because of the low population they have compared to the other countries who started their own league and these leagues get their money if they have a huge fan following and they clearly know that they will not meet the expense if they launch one, population does not mean anything in sports, India with a billion population cannot pick a world class football team and we all know how many Olympic medals India wins when compare to how many Jamaica wins with a population less than 3 million.

Perhaps you are right. A franchise T20 league would have been a loss making proposition with such a low population. But there can be exceptions. Look at the Caribbean Premier League (CPL). The total population of West Indies is only slightly higher than that in NZ, but they have managed a highly competitive and profitable franchise T20 league (thanks to the large fanbase in India and the US).

I don't want to comment on the second part of your post. It is really embarrassing that India lags behind nations such as Jamaica as far as Olympic Sports are concerned.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 01, 2020, 01:19:41 PM

Remember that this is a country, which can't even start it's own franchise T20 league. They have a population of just around 4 million, and they don't have superstars such as Steve Smith, Virat Kohli, Joe Root and Quinton de Kock. It is amazing that they could achieve this much with a limited player pool, and even more limited budget.

You have the answer why they never started their own T20 franchise league, it is because of the low population they have compared to the other countries who started their own league and these leagues get their money if they have a huge fan following and they clearly know that they will not meet the expense if they launch one, population does not mean anything in sports, India with a billion population cannot pick a world class football team and we all know how many Olympic medals India wins when compare to how many Jamaica wins with a population less than 3 million.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 01, 2020, 01:41:09 PM

^^Yeah, they were always very good in cricket despite limited talent pool and in recent time they are not bad either, they do have decorated cricketers such as Williamson, Ross Taylor, Southee, Boult etc. We can say that they are not hyped as compared to other teams (India and Australia or England)

Kiwi's was on full in 1992 but Pakistani break their hearts then again in 1999 they was on full but again Pakistani break their hearts and they register first test series win in England with very spirited cricket again they was on top in 2015 and 2019 but sadly they have no luck right now they have really complete package with very good team of good bowlers and batsmen they can do some good in coming years.

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^^Yeah, they were always very good in cricket despite limited talent pool and in recent time they are not bad either, they do have decorated cricketers such as Williamson, Ross Taylor, Southee, Boult etc. We can say that they are not hyped as compared to other teams (India and Australia or England)

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 01, 2020, 01:19:41 PM

LOL.. more than Australia becoming the no.1 team, I am surprised at the rise of New Zealand. Last year, they almost won the ODI world cup. And now, they are just one point behind the top ranked Australia in the ICC test rankings. Remember that this is a country, which can't even start it's own franchise T20 league. They have a population of just around 4 million, and they don't have superstars such as Steve Smith, Virat Kohli, Joe Root and Quinton de Kock. It is amazing that they could achieve this much with a limited player pool, and even more limited budget.

This is nothing new for them as they have very rich history in Cricket they done many good and great things in presence of Sir Richard Hadlee Martin Crow and now this team I am really big fan of them in 1999 series when they give shock to home team England even they was really hot favorite for this all but these fighter guys can do any thing on their day.

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LOL.. more than Australia becoming the no.1 team, I am surprised at the rise of New Zealand. Last year, they almost won the ODI world cup. And now, they are just one point behind the top ranked Australia in the ICC test rankings. Remember that this is a country, which can't even start it's own franchise T20 league. They have a population of just around 4 million, and they don't have superstars such as Steve Smith, Virat Kohli, Joe Root and Quinton de Kock. It is amazing that they could achieve this much with a limited player pool, and even more limited budget.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 01, 2020, 08:54:44 AM

Australians are now number 1 in Test and T-20 format replacing India and Pakistan respectively.

Interestingly In the Test format points gap are very small in between top 3 teams... its rare (only second time in cricket history)

Australia dethrone India to become No. 1 in Tests

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"With only two points separating them, this is the second closest the top three teams have been since the Test rankings were launched in 2003," the ICC acknowledged in its release. "The closest for the top three teams was in January 2016, when India had led Australia and South Africa by a single point."

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ODI They need some catching to do in the ODI

Australia has been a rejuvenated side ever since Warner and Smith came back to the starting lineup, and hence I’m not surprised to see that they’re sitting on the top of the table in the Tests and T-20 format. Furthermore I wasn’t aware that the top 3 teams in tests are separated by only two points, and this will make Test matches very interesting to watch as and when cricket season resumes again.

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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jul/29/australia-good-tempered-ashes-england-cricket

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cricket/ecb-coronavirus-tom-harrison-premier-league-rugby-season-restart-date-a9484106.html

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Australians are now number 1 in Test and T-20 format replacing India and Pakistan respectively.

Interestingly In the Test format points gap are very small in between top 3 teams... its rare (only second time in cricket history)

Australia dethrone India to become No. 1 in Tests

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"With only two points separating them, this is the second closest the top three teams have been since the Test rankings were launched in 2003," the ICC acknowledged in its release. "The closest for the top three teams was in January 2016, when India had led Australia and South Africa by a single point."

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ODI They need some catching to do in the ODI

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on April 28, 2020, 01:05:12 PM

Has anyone seen this incredible video on YouTube where Kapil Dev hits 4 consecutive sixes to save India from follow-on. Kapil Dev remain unbeaten on 77. This was when India tour England in 1990.

Here is the video link - https://youtu.be/Vzy_9I1heUE

Kapil Dev retired in 1994 and TV coverage was not that widespread when he was playing at his peak. During the 1980s, very few people in India were having television sets. That's the reason why he never achieved the level of fandom, that Sachin Tendulkar, Mahendra Singh Dhoni and Virat Kohli had. But he remains one of the legends in Indian cricket.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on April 28, 2020, 01:05:12 PM

Has anyone seen this incredible video on YouTube where Kapil Dev hits 4 consecutive sixes to save India from follow-on. Kapil Dev remain unbeaten on 77. This was when India tour England in 1990.

Here is the video link - https://youtu.be/Vzy_9I1heUE

He was one of best all rounders I really love to watch him as after Richard Hadlee he done very good job for his country and he was really gentlman once I personally meet him sadly have nothing for picture but still this was very good time.

I personally have not met him but I do admire him a lot. He is a true legend of Indian cricket team. There are many al rounders now in Indian cricket but, he was the first.

He was first and really great still remember his many achievements which he done alone for India other then cricket he was really good person as well.

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Quote from: Indymoney on April 28, 2020, 01:11:39 PM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on April 28, 2020, 01:05:12 PM

Has anyone seen this incredible video on YouTube where Kapil Dev hits 4 consecutive sixes to save India from follow-on. Kapil Dev remain unbeaten on 77. This was when India tour England in 1990.

Here is the video link - https://youtu.be/Vzy_9I1heUE

He was one of best all rounders I really love to watch him as after Richard Hadlee he done very good job for his country and he was really gentlman once I personally meet him sadly have nothing for picture but still this was very good time.

I personally have not met him but I do admire him a lot. He is a true legend of Indian cricket team. There are many al rounders now in Indian cricket but, he was the first.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on April 28, 2020, 01:05:12 PM

Has anyone seen this incredible video on YouTube where Kapil Dev hits 4 consecutive sixes to save India from follow-on. Kapil Dev remain unbeaten on 77. This was when India tour England in 1990.

A few days back it was in my youtube list and watched the match and after watching that new videos popped up including his bowling and batting performances and it is sad that India never had an allrounder after Kapil Dev and he truly ignited the love of cricket in India by winning the World Cup in 1983 and i felt that he did not get that kind of recognition after retirement and after watching those videos i looked at his social media page he shaved his head to resemble Viv Richards and Dhoni it seems Grin

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on April 28, 2020, 01:05:12 PM

Has anyone seen this incredible video on YouTube where Kapil Dev hits 4 consecutive sixes to save India from follow-on. Kapil Dev remain unbeaten on 77. This was when India tour England in 1990.

Here is the video link - https://youtu.be/Vzy_9I1heUE

He was one of best all rounders I really love to watch him as after Richard Hadlee he done very good job for his country and he was really gentlman once I personally meet him sadly have nothing for picture but still this was very good time.

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Has anyone seen this incredible video on YouTube where Kapil Dev hits 4 consecutive sixes to save India from follow-on. Kapil Dev remain unbeaten on 77. This was when India tour England in 1990.

Here is the video link - https://youtu.be/Vzy_9I1heUE

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on March 29, 2020, 09:12:12 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on March 27, 2020, 07:01:37 PM

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Just to keep everyone update on this...

BCCI makes deal with the ICC and other boards, Its same business as usual as far as i know. In this deal BCCI gets open window for IPL, ICC gets big chunk of money and prominent boards gets money +commission + bilateral series on regular basis and on special cases in very suitable holidays. Ever wonder why Australia never visit any country on boxing day?

I don't think that BCCI will make any deal with the ICC or with any of the other boards. ICC was forced to block two months every year in the international cricketing calendar, for the IPL. This has been happening ever since 2008. I have never heard about the BCCI reimbursing either the ICC or any of the other boards for this inconvenience. Actually they don't need to. BCCI controls a large part of the ICC revenue and therefore they can do whatever they want. The other boards have limited options.

You are free to discredit as i don't believe in changing anyone's beliefs, that's your personal choice. But having said that they do make deals, that's how things works in diplomacy, lobbying etc. You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours, That's it.

-Every cricket board gets money from BCCI when they provide NOC to their players, One specific board (ECB) even take commission from each players earning. BCCI lobby with other boards to free their players or for open windows (no intl series around IPL)

- Favorable Bilateral series are fact not argument. Every match, every series India plays with other countries are profitable for other boards, Why do you think India plays useless T-20, ODI series with WI, SL, SA,Aus every now and then. Why Australia lobbying with India for Boxing day Test Match (India went there last year and going this year too) and now D/N tests.

Everyone is naked in the Hammam.. No one is innocent when it comes to money otherwise India could have been kicked out from the international cricket long back. Small Cricket boards don't have much choice but ICC and BCCI-ECB-CA( Pig 3) are partners in crime.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 27, 2020, 07:01:37 PM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on March 22, 2020, 11:23:50 AM

Just now I checked the schedule for the 2019–21 ICC World Test Championship, and was surprised to see that no matches were scheduled for April-May 2020. The IPL was supposed to happen during that time, and therefore the cricket boards decided not to play any bilateral matches during this period. But their calculations may get disrupted, in case IPL gets shifted to Q3 or Q4 2020.

Just to keep everyone update on this...

BCCI makes deal with the ICC and other boards, Its same business as usual as far as i know. In this deal BCCI gets open window for IPL, ICC gets big chunk of money and prominent boards gets money +commission + bilateral series on regular basis and on special cases in very suitable holidays. Ever wonder why Australia never visit any country on boxing day?

I don't think that BCCI will make any deal with the ICC or with any of the other boards. ICC was forced to block two months every year in the international cricketing calendar, for the IPL. This has been happening ever since 2008. I have never heard about the BCCI reimbursing either the ICC or any of the other boards for this inconvenience. Actually they don't need to. BCCI controls a large part of the ICC revenue and therefore they can do whatever they want. The other boards have limited options.

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