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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on May 13, 2020, 03:42:32 PM

But need extra push if BCCI wants to improve their record in SENA countries. I hope Ganguly pass some law or something " Go bananas with 25% Indian pitches and turn into heaven for Seam, Fast bowlers __Nightmare for batsmen" make it mandatory for every state.

If they want to improve their performance in the SENA nations, then having green pitches is definitely one of the top priorities. Along with that, there should be a few other steps. About two decades back, the India A and India U-23 teams used to tour countries such as Australia and England regularly. The tours still happen, but they have become very infrequent. Another aspect where I want the BCCI to focus is on the MRF Pace Foundation. Until Dennis Lillee was there (till 2012), it was producing a huge number of quality pace bowlers. But now, the quality seems to have gone down. On paper, Glenn McGrath is the Director. But he has other priorities.

As far as i know India A do visit in SENA regularly. I remember England-New Zealand tour of India A, not sure about U-23 though. Guess its not big news so we don't get to read much about it via print media.

I didn't follow MRF Pace Foundation updates for quite some time now, so no comment.

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Indeed..

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on May 13, 2020, 03:42:32 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on May 13, 2020, 10:03:04 AM

Yeah its true but it can be manage as India has 4-6 different seasons throughout the year, depends how you look at it. Domestic games gets lined up during the winter season so they can do thing or two during this 2 month window (Dec-Jan) if they are really serious about it.

If that is the case they can start with experimenting with domestic games and with Sourav Ganguly in the leadership role he will do things that will make a difference and with cricket as the nation sport in India and with a huge fan base is will make things interesting for the spectators to see matches in a lively pitch where the competition is between the skills of a player rather than playing in flat tracks.

In past Ganguly was player or captain and he was revolutionary person done few experiments and have very good results as he was alone incharg in the field but now he is just President and going with team he cannot take all decsions alone so this is really big problem with him otherwise now time for big changes and these can really bring big impact on Indian cricket system and team for very long run.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 13, 2020, 10:03:04 AM

Yeah its true but it can be manage as India has 4-6 different seasons throughout the year, depends how you look at it. Domestic games gets lined up during the winter season so they can do thing or two during this 2 month window (Dec-Jan) if they are really serious about it.

If that is the case they can start with experimenting with domestic games and with Sourav Ganguly in the leadership role he will do things that will make a difference and with cricket as the nation sport in India and with a huge fan base is will make things interesting for the spectators to see matches in a lively pitch where the competition is between the skills of a player rather than playing in flat tracks.

Quote from: BitSat19 on May 13, 2020, 12:00:00 PM

MRF Pace Foundation is really great aspect for Indian cricket as they have some legendary bowlers from here now they need to give some time again and bring some good bowler now they have some very good names as well like Zaheer Khan and Chaminda Vaas these both can bring some good quality and talent.

They are doing a good job as India never had a great fast bowling line up until recently.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 13, 2020, 11:56:24 AM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 13, 2020, 11:56:24 AM

MRF Pace Foundation is really great aspect for Indian cricket as they have some legendary bowlers from here now they need to give some time again and bring some good bowler now they have some very good names as well like Zaheer Khan and Chaminda Vaas these both can bring some good quality and talent.

I mentioned about the Foundation, because it produced many of the legendary Indian pace bowlers. Starting from Javagal Srinath and Venkatesh Prasad, to Zaheer Khan/Irfan Pathan/Shanthakumaran Sreesanth. But recently, we are not getting quality pace bowlers from this academy. Recent graduates, such as Khaleel Ahmed lack the quality that used to define the earlier bowlers.

I understand but recently board not giving priority as they was giving in past and have Dennis Lillee for very long time with full time duty but now its not in priority as this was so they still can do with some good and quality bowler which give full dedication and bring hungry youngsters for team and country.

Yes. Dennis Lillee was there for a very long time, since the very beginning (1987). He was there for 25 years and played a huge part in training promising pace bowlers. Javagal Srinath was one of the first trainees, and perhaps he was the first Indian bowler who could bowl at 90 mph plus speed on a consistent basis. During the 1990s, he was the backbone of Indian pace bowling attack. But then, Srinath was always overshadowed by the spin bowlers such as Anil Kumble. He never had a large fan following or media backing.

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MRF Pace Foundation is really great aspect for Indian cricket as they have some legendary bowlers from here now they need to give some time again and bring some good bowler now they have some very good names as well like Zaheer Khan and Chaminda Vaas these both can bring some good quality and talent.

I mentioned about the Foundation, because it produced many of the legendary Indian pace bowlers. Starting from Javagal Srinath and Venkatesh Prasad, to Zaheer Khan/Irfan Pathan/Shanthakumaran Sreesanth. But recently, we are not getting quality pace bowlers from this academy. Recent graduates, such as Khaleel Ahmed lack the quality that used to define the earlier bowlers.

I understand but recently board not giving priority as they was giving in past and have Dennis Lillee for very long time with full time duty but now its not in priority as this was so they still can do with some good and quality bowler which give full dedication and bring hungry youngsters for team and country.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 13, 2020, 11:31:49 AM

MRF Pace Foundation is really great aspect for Indian cricket as they have some legendary bowlers from here now they need to give some time again and bring some good bowler now they have some very good names as well like Zaheer Khan and Chaminda Vaas these both can bring some good quality and talent.

I mentioned about the Foundation, because it produced many of the legendary Indian pace bowlers. Starting from Javagal Srinath and Venkatesh Prasad, to Zaheer Khan/Irfan Pathan/Shanthakumaran Sreesanth. But recently, we are not getting quality pace bowlers from this academy. Recent graduates, such as Khaleel Ahmed lack the quality that used to define the earlier bowlers.

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But need extra push if BCCI wants to improve their record in SENA countries. I hope Ganguly pass some law or something " Go bananas with 25% Indian pitches and turn into heaven for Seam, Fast bowlers __Nightmare for batsmen" make it mandatory for every state.

If they want to improve their performance in the SENA nations, then having green pitches is definitely one of the top priorities. Along with that, there should be a few other steps. About two decades back, the India A and India U-23 teams used to tour countries such as Australia and England regularly. The tours still happen, but they have become very infrequent. Another aspect where I want the BCCI to focus is on the MRF Pace Foundation. Until Dennis Lillee was there (till 2012), it was producing a huge number of quality pace bowlers. But now, the quality seems to have gone down. On paper, Glenn McGrath is the Director. But he has other priorities.

MRF Pace Foundation is really great aspect for Indian cricket as they have some legendary bowlers from here now they need to give some time again and bring some good bowler now they have some very good names as well like Zaheer Khan and Chaminda Vaas these both can bring some good quality and talent.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on May 13, 2020, 08:59:45 AM

But need extra push if BCCI wants to improve their record in SENA countries. I hope Ganguly pass some law or something " Go bananas with 25% Indian pitches and turn into heaven for Seam, Fast bowlers __Nightmare for batsmen" make it mandatory for every state.

If they want to improve their performance in the SENA nations, then having green pitches is definitely one of the top priorities. Along with that, there should be a few other steps. About two decades back, the India A and India U-23 teams used to tour countries such as Australia and England regularly. The tours still happen, but they have become very infrequent. Another aspect where I want the BCCI to focus is on the MRF Pace Foundation. Until Dennis Lillee was there (till 2012), it was producing a huge number of quality pace bowlers. But now, the quality seems to have gone down. On paper, Glenn McGrath is the Director. But he has other priorities.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 13, 2020, 07:43:06 AM

~snip
They should but kinda complicated task as vishnu mentioned "State board decision". If i am being completely honest then i don't mind if BCCI twisting any state board's arm on this matter, do what's necessary as long as its beneficial for Indian cricket.

I think it is hard to maintain a green turf in hot and humid conditions and that is the biggest issue we are not seeing green turf in hot and dry climate areas, if the preparation was that easy they would have already prepare atleast one green turf before major tours considering BCCI has the biggest muscle power economically. If there are suitable places in India with moderate or cool climate then they can prepare a green wicket and BCCI can fund them to sustain the pitch.

Yeah its true but it can be manage as India has 4-6 different seasons throughout the year, depends how you look at it. Domestic games gets lined up during the winter season so they can do thing or two during this 2 month window (Dec-Jan) if they are really serious about it.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 13, 2020, 07:43:06 AM

~snip
They should but kinda complicated task as vishnu mentioned "State board decision". If i am being completely honest then i don't mind if BCCI twisting any state board's arm on this matter, do what's necessary as long as its beneficial for Indian cricket.

I think it is hard to maintain a green turf in hot and humid conditions and that is the biggest issue we are not seeing green turf in hot and dry climate areas, if the preparation was that easy they would have already prepared atleast one green turf before major tours considering BCCI has the biggest muscle power economically. If there are suitable places in India with moderate or cool climate then they can prepare a green wicket and BCCI can fund them to sustain the pitch.

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Quote from: Indymoney on May 12, 2020, 11:17:19 AM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 12, 2020, 08:52:03 AM

But in the end, the decision is up to the state boards and not with the BCCI. They will prepare pitches, which will suit their domestic teams.

But need extra push if BCCI wants to improve their record in SENA countries. I hope Ganguly pass some law or something " Go bananas with 25% Indian pitches and turn into heaven for Seam, Fast bowlers __Nightmare for batsmen" make it mandatory for every state.

India is biggest cricketing country and they have most cricket grounds so now this is good time for them to do some work on this and give youngsters this opportunity at home for bringing some more interesting cricket because they can do this all very quickly few pitches like Aus/NZ and few like England really great work and long term benefit.

They should but kinda complicated task as vishnu mentioned "State board decision". If i am being completely honest then i don't mind if BCCI twisting any state board's arm on this matter, do what's necessary as long as its beneficial for Indian cricket.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 12, 2020, 08:52:03 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on May 12, 2020, 08:11:24 AM

Everyone is going down the drain for them but they have very much to gain if they take things seriously (Every crisis brings new opportunists as well). Coming back to India, I would say BCCI need to do something about pitches. India is big country and have many international grounds so they can diversify pitch behavior according to SENA countries, it can benefit Indian cricket in a long run IMO.

Actually this is an area where there have been some slight improvements recently. Some of the new grounds, such as Dharamshala have pitches that give adequate support for the pace bowlers. But in the end, the decision is up to the state boards and not with the BCCI. They will prepare pitches, which will suit their domestic teams. That said, domestic teams such as Punjab have prepared pace-friendly pitches in the past.

But need extra push if BCCI wants to improve their record in SENA countries. I hope Ganguly pass some law or something " Go bananas with 25% Indian pitches and turn into heaven for Seam, Fast bowlers __Nightmare for batsmen" make it mandatory for every state.

India is biggest cricketing country and they have most cricket grounds so now this is good time for them to do some work on this and give youngsters this opportunity at home for bringing some more interesting cricket because they can do this all very quickly few pitches like Aus/NZ and few like England really great work and long term benefit.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 12, 2020, 08:52:03 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on May 12, 2020, 08:11:24 AM

Everyone is going down the drain for them but they have very much to gain if they take things seriously (Every crisis brings new opportunists as well). Coming back to India, I would say BCCI need to do something about pitches. India is big country and have many international grounds so they can diversify pitch behavior according to SENA countries, it can benefit Indian cricket in a long run IMO.

Actually this is an area where there have been some slight improvements recently. Some of the new grounds, such as Dharamshala have pitches that give adequate support for the pace bowlers. But in the end, the decision is up to the state boards and not with the BCCI. They will prepare pitches, which will suit their domestic teams. That said, domestic teams such as Punjab have prepared pace-friendly pitches in the past.

But need extra push if BCCI wants to improve their record in SENA countries. I hope Ganguly pass some law or something " Go bananas with 25% Indian pitches and turn into heaven for Seam, Fast bowlers __Nightmare for batsmen" make it mandatory for every state.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 12, 2020, 08:11:24 AM

Everyone is going down the drain for them but they have very much to gain if they take things seriously (Every crisis brings new opportunists as well). Coming back to India, I would say BCCI need to do something about pitches. India is big country and have many international grounds so they can diversify pitch behavior according to SENA countries, it can benefit Indian cricket in a long run IMO.

Actually this is an area where there have been some slight improvements recently. Some of the new grounds, such as Dharamshala have pitches that give adequate support for the pace bowlers. But in the end, the decision is up to the state boards and not with the BCCI. They will prepare pitches, which will suit their domestic teams. That said, domestic teams such as Punjab have prepared pace-friendly pitches in the past.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 11, 2020, 08:46:23 AM

Quote from: Juggy777 on May 10, 2020, 11:38:07 PM

Pakistan - They have shitload amount of talent but they are $ucking up everything. Even quality bowler like Amir took early retirement from the Test format.

Bangladesh - I used to have very high hopes from them but they are going down the drain.

Sri Lanka - Management sucks and then it impact their team.

Windies - Plenty of talent but majority of them want to become mercenaries, now they are taking things seriously though.

In all these cases - they need to improve the domestic circuit. Domestic cricket in Bangladesh and Pakistan is much below par. It is no where when compared to Ranji Trophy of India or Sheffield Shield of Australia. Country cricket of England is miles ahead. I would say even teams such as Netherlands and Scotland are having a better domestic setup. And the less we talk about Sri Lanka, that better. Domestic cricket in Sri Lanka is a joke.

Everyone is going down the drain for them but they have very much to gain if they take things seriously (Every crisis brings new opportunists as well). Coming back to India, I would say BCCI need to do something about pitches. India is big country and have many international grounds so they can diversify pitch behavior according to SENA countries, it can benefit Indian cricket in a long run IMO.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on May 10, 2020, 06:21:06 PM

Coming to other teams, do we really think that Pakistan, Bangladesh, Srilanka, Windies were taking Test format seriously? I doubt that..

It might be not about taking things seriously, the lack of talent to play the longer format or the lack of capacity of a cricket board to find good test caliber players is the problem here. Even the mindset of the young generation changed and they want to play only attacking cricket and test players will be ancient history in the next decade.

Pakistan - They have shitload amount of talent but they are $ucking up everything. Even quality bowler like Amir took early retirement from the Test format.

Bangladesh - I used to have very high hopes from them but they are going down the drain.

@jsraw when it comes to Pakistan I believe that it’s their ex players fault as they have failed to develop Pakistan’s young player’s, because they’re constantly helping out other countries bowlers or batsmen develop their skills.

I’m not sure if I really expected anything from Bangladesh team ever, because I have always considered them as team who’ll only win by fluke, so we pretty much share the same thoughts on their performances.

Source:

https://cricketaddictor.com/cricket/mohammed-shami-wasim-akram-zaheer-khan/

https://crickettimes.com/2020/05/shoaib-akhtar-expresses-his-desire-to-coach-the-indian-bowling-unit/

In Pakistan biggest issue is management because we have very few good peoples on these posts and they are not authorize to bring some revolutionary changes so just because of this we are not doing as its need to be many talentend players wastes as they have no proper system to develop skills and its not going to change in near future as well.
Bangladesh is really going down and I am feeling sad for them as they was very good but suddenly all thngs going against them which is really wired for me.

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Pakistan - They have shitload amount of talent but they are $ucking up everything. Even quality bowler like Amir took early retirement from the Test format.

Bangladesh - I used to have very high hopes from them but they are going down the drain.

Sri Lanka - Management sucks and then it impact their team.

Windies - Plenty of talent but majority of them want to become mercenaries, now they are taking things seriously though.

In all these cases - they need to improve the domestic circuit. Domestic cricket in Bangladesh and Pakistan is much below par. It is no where when compared to Ranji Trophy of India or Sheffield Shield of Australia. Country cricket of England is miles ahead. I would say even teams such as Netherlands and Scotland are having a better domestic setup. And the less we talk about Sri Lanka, that better. Domestic cricket in Sri Lanka is a joke.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on May 10, 2020, 06:21:06 PM

Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on May 10, 2020, 06:21:06 PM

Coming to other teams, do we really think that Pakistan, Bangladesh, Srilanka, Windies were taking Test format seriously? I doubt that..

It might be not about taking things seriously, the lack of talent to play the longer format or the lack of capacity of a cricket board to find good test caliber players is the problem here. Even the mindset of the young generation changed and they want to play only attacking cricket and test players will be ancient history in the next decade.

Pakistan - They have shitload amount of talent but they are $ucking up everything. Even quality bowler like Amir took early retirement from the Test format.

Bangladesh - I used to have very high hopes from them but they are going down the drain.

@jsraw when it comes to Pakistan I believe that it’s their ex players fault as they have failed to develop Pakistan’s young player’s, because they’re constantly helping out other countries bowlers or batsmen develop their skills.

I’m not sure if I really expected anything from Bangladesh team ever, because I have always considered them as team who’ll only win by fluke, so we pretty much share the same thoughts on their performances.

Source:

https://cricketaddictor.com/cricket/mohammed-shami-wasim-akram-zaheer-khan/

https://crickettimes.com/2020/05/shoaib-akhtar-expresses-his-desire-to-coach-the-indian-bowling-unit/

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Coming to other teams, do we really think that Pakistan, Bangladesh, Srilanka, Windies were taking Test format seriously? I doubt that..

It might be not about taking things seriously, the lack of talent to play the longer format or the lack of capacity of a cricket board to find good test caliber players is the problem here. Even the mindset of the young generation changed and they want to play only attacking cricket and test players will be ancient history in the next decade.

Pakistan - They have shitload amount of talent but they are $ucking up everything. Even quality bowler like Amir took early retirement from the Test format.

Bangladesh - I used to have very high hopes from them but they are going down the drain.

Sri Lanka - Management sucks and then it impact their team.

Windies - Plenty of talent but majority of them want to become mercenaries, now they are taking things seriously though.

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Coming to other teams, do we really think that Pakistan, Bangladesh, Srilanka, Windies were taking Test format seriously? I doubt that..

It might be not about taking things seriously, the lack of talent to play the longer format or the lack of capacity of a cricket board to find good test caliber players is the problem here. Even the mindset of the young generation changed and they want to play only attacking cricket and test players will be ancient history in the next decade.