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Topic: Tether: not even a scam - page 11. (Read 31056 times)

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January 31, 2018, 12:27:31 PM
Interestingly, there are now million-dollar buy walls on Kraken at 0.986, 0.985, 0.975, 0.97, and 0.965. Normally the buy side on Kraken is very thin. A few days ago, to sell $250K on Kraken you would have had to sell the last one at $0.50. Kraken is the only exchange I know of where it is possible to exchange Tethers directly for USD. Someone is defending Tether.

$5 million isn't much compared to Tether's market cap but this might have something to do with why the Tether price is still levitating within a cent or so of par.
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January 31, 2018, 11:21:40 AM
Btw I'm in progress of making the tRUBL. Presale minimum buy is 1500000 RUB. I will send you the tokens after payment is confirmed on a 1:1 ratio. Your rubles are safe with me.
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January 31, 2018, 11:08:36 AM
People don't read into things that are quoted in the OP. They accept terms and go buy. What is happening now is real nasty. The question rises if Tether actually does hold the money in a safe box somewhere.

very unlikely ...

Why whould they? Better just buy BTC and ETH as soon as the dollars arrive, because by reinvesting in other crypto currency the Tether company can generate revenue/income. Their token price is after all static / linked to the USD. How else would they generate an income if they trade USD for USDT at a 1:1 ratio and don't invest that dollar?

And then the price of ETH and BTC drops, just at the moment there's inspection at the door. Greed got a hold of so many.
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January 30, 2018, 04:39:29 PM
Some seriously bad news, not only for Tether but Bitfinex both have received subpoenas from US regulators, the witting is on the wall.

Major cryptocurrency exchange Bitfinex and token issuer Tether have received subpoenas from US regulators as questions continue to arise about the latter’s ‘true’ value.
https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitfinex-tether-get-subpoenas-from-us-regulators
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January 30, 2018, 04:11:35 PM
Very interesting events occur around Tether and Bitfinex and for a long time already. As far as I know, the organizers of these companies are connected Tether has long been accused of printing USDT unjustifiably, some checks are being carried out which reveal this, but this does not affect the company or the USDT exchange rate. All this is very strange
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January 30, 2018, 04:06:17 PM
I can not understand why against the backdrop of so many really negative news, quotes of this currency do not fall down?
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/tether/
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January 30, 2018, 04:01:51 PM
There is no evidence that Teather (USDT) is a scam or not a scam. And there will be no such evidence until people conduct an external audit of this project. Already a lot of people are trying to conduct this external audit. It's pretty simple. You just need to transfer your Teather (USDT) back to the crypto currency. And then it will be clear if they have enough tokens for repurchase. That's all.

You can't exchange USDT for USD. That means it is a scam.

Another article on it:
https://tonyarcieri.com/the-tether-conundrum

This is really damaging. Shows that $450 million in new tether was issued during the big price decline in bitcoin in mid-January. Who is going to be depositing that amount of money DURING a big decline? And how is it that the market cap of tether has only increased since inception? When people are cashing out USDT for USD, the market cap has to go down. Are we to believe that this has never occurred?

It's pretty clear that tether is propping up the cryptocurrency market. The question is, how much of a decline in bitcoin will there be? The total daily trading volume of tether is 2.3 billion (almost its entire market cap). The daily volume in bitcoin is only $7 billion. So we could see a precipitous drop in bitcoin prices. Perhaps now is a good time to sell.  

My take is that this is interesting, may have a point, but doesn't explain a couple of things.  Before i get to that, the point you make in bold does not necessarily follow, as people could be selling BTC to USDT and not selling USDT.  Isn't that the purpose of it?  So i would expect an increase demand for USDT in a falling market.

But the main thing it misses is the entire rest of the market.  Not only the massive volumes into and out of every other coin, but most significantly, the massive trade manipulation going on in the Korean exchanges.  As they were in BTC/KRW pairs and often a multiple of BTC/USD trades, I think they have a major impact on price that this Tether printing theory ignores.
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January 30, 2018, 01:16:51 PM
There is no evidence that Teather (USDT) is a scam or not a scam. And there will be no such evidence until people conduct an external audit of this project. Already a lot of people are trying to conduct this external audit. It's pretty simple. You just need to transfer your Teather (USDT) back to the crypto currency. And then it will be clear if they have enough tokens for repurchase. That's all.

You can't exchange USDT for USD. That means it is a scam.

Another article on it:
https://tonyarcieri.com/the-tether-conundrum

This is really damaging. Shows that $450 million in new tether was issued during the big price decline in bitcoin in mid-January. Who is going to be depositing that amount of money DURING a big decline? And how is it that the market cap of tether has only increased since inception? When people are cashing out USDT for USD, the market cap has to go down. Are we to believe that this has never occurred?

It's pretty clear that tether is propping up the cryptocurrency market. The question is, how much of a decline in bitcoin will there be? The total daily trading volume of tether is 2.3 billion (almost its entire market cap). The daily volume in bitcoin is only $7 billion. So we could see a precipitous drop in bitcoin prices. Perhaps now is a good time to sell. 
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January 30, 2018, 05:36:54 AM
There is no evidence that Teather (USDT) is a scam or not a scam. And there will be no such evidence until people conduct an external audit of this project. Already a lot of people are trying to conduct this external audit. It's pretty simple. You just need to transfer your Teather (USDT) back to the crypto currency. And then it will be clear if they have enough tokens for repurchase. That's all.
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January 30, 2018, 01:55:22 AM
Interesting read for many people. After reading felt it like  we all r being looted by institutional players.

https://medium.com/@justindanneman/bitcoin-value-surges-past-11k-heres-why-it-s-happening-9dc7a08ba67a
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January 27, 2018, 10:12:46 PM
I apologized for the comment, but USDT since hacking the people stopped trusting them.
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January 27, 2018, 09:51:55 PM
"We confirm that the relationship with Friedman is dissolved.  Given the excruciatingly detailed procedures Friedman was undertaking for the relatively simple balance sheet of Tether, it became clear that an audit would be unattainable in a reasonable time frame. As Tether is the first company in the space to undergo this process and pursue this level of transparency, there is no precedent set to guide the process nor any benchmark against which to measure its success."

i know nothing about auditing but it don't sound too hard to me. look up some bank accounts and do some sums.

i wonder who dumped who.
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January 27, 2018, 09:02:51 PM
Not so good news, Tether Confirms Its Relationship With Auditor Has 'Dissolved'.
Tether, the issuer of the dollar-pegged cryptocurrency USDT, said its relationship with audit firm Friedman LLP has ended.

https://www.coindesk.com/tether-confirms-relationship-auditor-dissolved/
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January 26, 2018, 01:15:28 PM
Just want to share this in case someone missed it:

http://www.tetherreport.com/

It argues that Tether printing is what is driving the BTC market through fake demand. Seems pretty sound to me.

Please debate, I want it to be wrong.

There is a LOT of evidence being gathered (sadly only by individuals, though to me they are more of experts and reliable analysts than the ones people usually see as more reputable) to show that a lot of ways exist that look suspiciously like manipulation, with Tether right in the center of these claims.

Of course, the printing itself of Tether does not necessarily mean this is the only thing driving prices but when you have exchanges behind Tether, you must be able to be skeptical of how it is used as a tool to move prices easily.
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January 26, 2018, 01:11:34 PM
Just want to share this in case someone missed it:

http://www.tetherreport.com/

It argues that Tether printing is what is driving the BTC market through fake demand. Seems pretty sound to me.

Please debate, I want it to be wrong.
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January 22, 2018, 12:47:07 PM
Ok, there's something I don't get,

Please, ELI5 here. Tether's utility within the crypto community is to provide safe-parking for your gains when the market is going red, right? Why does it matter whether or not you can cash out USDT if you could cash out changing to BTC and going to any fiat exchange?

I can see why Tether should have a 1:1 back up in some bank, ethically... But for market purposes, all they need to do is keep their value pegged to relative $USD within exchanges.

Idk, is there something I'm missing? Can't see what all the fuzz is about besides negative media attention...

Because they cannot control the "peg". The price is based on what people are willing to pay for it. That's why the value is not always $1 USD, it fluctuates up and down. If people lose confidence because they cannot exchange USDT for USD (because maybe they don't have the reserves), then the price of USDT will plummet.

Great,

So under this logic, all they really need is a reasonable fractional reserve and that would make them as "legitimate" as any bank. I guess my position now is that I'd appreciate clarity from them on these grounds. I don't see that it would hurt them to disclose this information, instead of claiming to actually own all that money in fiat, which I doubt.

Thanks for answering.
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January 20, 2018, 07:05:10 PM
thether is the real bitcoin i hodl
Tether is not the real Bitcoin, that's like calling Bitcoin Cash or Bitcoin Gold the real Bitcoin. Crazy.
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January 20, 2018, 05:10:59 AM
This project is quite interesting from the point of view of listening. I would certainly not mind going and really seeing how much money they have, because they claim that they have so many funds. And if they began to discuss this amount of money, the number of bitcoins in their account, then I would call this project SCAM
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