Topic: That Great Big Beautiful Wall (Read 2877 times)

United states of america has a lot money to waste them on this stupid wall. Let Donald Trump build this unreasonable wall. But This wall will bring his end at the end of the day for sure.

Let Trump spends his money on that wall. Such a crazy idea could arise only in his sick head.

I don't think that the Mexicans have any choice other than paying for it. If they refuse to pay, then Trump will impose duties on products from Mexico. A lot of people (especially the factory workers) will be left jobless in Mexico.

Donald Trump's wall is simply pandering to the masses. He is reading his own press. He cannot truly believe that building a wall will seriously address the complex issue of immigration. He cannot be that shallow, right? He speaks like he has always done, like he is still on his own TV show. He reigned supreme on his show. He decided on who would stay and who would go. He talks like that is exactly how he would run the country. And people are falling for this? How does he expect to run the country like this? He cannot simply impose his rule on the country and decide what is good and what is bad. Makes him no better than what we already have. So, back to the question. No. I agree with some of the other comments here...the Berlin and Great Wall, great answer and he cannot fire Mexico because they won't do what he wants them to do. Put more effort into making the process of legal immigration more attainable in less time. Maybe more people would follow the rules.

I think so as well. This from the beginning seems a bit to comical to come true and to have the Mexican government pay for it would make it almost impossible for Trump's supporters to see implemented. It can probably be done if we're paying but I think there are a lot more things and issues that warrants attention and funds aside from an ambitious wall

well the longer it takes I think the less chance that this will be I fruitition. I agree with all your points dude especially that we're billingmexico for this thing. it doesn't make sense why they would agree to do so and would they do if the mexicans don't pay for it

Yezzir. Keeping said inmates here would simply eat up our tax dollars, as you can't deport them with a bill (we should though). I'm all for it, we spend a ridiculous amount of budget supporting the private prison system, let it actually help us, for once. Besides, Sessions just got tough on sentencing, and CCA just went ham building new illegal immigrant detention centers. I think they are preparing

But yeah, this is all about security.

No. I don't think that these criminals pose a threat to the third world nations. They will remain in the prison during their jail term. Once their sentence is over, the criminals will be deported back to their own countries. The third world nations which house them will gain, in the form of increased employment and financial grants.

Ever been to a precint meeting? Or stood around and watched a bit at voting?

RE Sig, no thanks. I am self employed and work for income.

In the spirit of argument, not vitrol, can you provide just a singular source? My friend Google has told me that you are on that bullshit, and I believe him.

Is is that you won't, or that you can't?

And dammit man, join a goddamned Sig campaign, I want to see you profit. I enjoy your opinions, even though I disagree with them. It's a big enough world for both of us.

Google is your friend. Don't expect people to waste their times on things that are patently obvious.

Have you thought why third world countries need in their country have found refuge thousands of criminals? No amount of money will justify itself. Besides, all criminals tend to organize gangs, and this is a threat to the state.

A better option would be to enter in to a deal with some third world nation for housing the criminal immigrants, just like what the Australians did. If the illegal commits a crime in the US, then he will serve his jail time in Uganda or Nigeria.

God protect the little girl. That's pretty tragic. But will a wall prevent someone that is this incentivized to come back? 15 times.  And I don't think those 'bollard walls' would do to much to stop a chap like this.

We would probably do well to simply jail them here. The assumption of non prosecution would largely dissappear, and the fear of a lengthy US prison sentence would dry this shit up but quickly. Would be expensive, but hey, we already jail minorities at a disproportionate rate; let's just switch up the demographic. I'd rather see violent offenders and repeat offenders in jail, than low level drug offenders. We are reembracing private prisons again despite the progress we had made moving away from this model; let's lock the real bad hombres up. Fuck deportation.

But dammit, show me this voting evidence! We keep getting tangential. I'll even take a biased article, I just need the talking points so I can investigate myself.

In the deepest blue States, does voting oversight not exist? Even at a federal level? How are illegal immigrants getting on voting rolls, when they aren't citizens? Save absentee ballot abuses, this is the only way to vote. How come, for all this sanctuary/deportation/crime rhetoric, no one can still explain to me how people with no identities vote in appreciable numbers, at the risk of incarceration?

If what you are saying is true, ICE should just camp elections. They could get millions of immigrants, no?

Hell yeah the argument is common. Common sense. It has a familiar taste because it's rooted in facts and reality, to the best of my ability. My argument has nostalgia because it's valid, you have indeed heard it before, from other sources that tried to present you with a factual truth. Like non partisan research tanks. And mainstream media outlets. But this reliance on biased news sources, to exclusion, is going to be y'alls undoing.

Reject my argument piecemeal. Dissect it. Destroy it. I want the clarification, not just the refutation:

Explain the mechanism by which illegals vote

Identify and describe the Democrat introduced legislature that enables this alleged behavior (here's a hint, try non citizen ID laws, it's a common rhetorical point on this from your side)

Describe a specific geographic region with characteristics that could facilitate illegal voting

Any of these weakens my argument, but does not invalidate it. Show me my error.

This is a typical argument propagated by various liberal media outlets. But research shows that a lot of the illegal immigrants do vote, especially in the deep blue states. And deportation is not a big deal. It is a joke. Check this:

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/05/11/lennox-lake-california-boy-hurt-dui-crash-illegal-immigrant-who-was-deported-15-times

Alright, I will concede that point. I did some research on the actual policies of said sanctuary cities. I can concur that the diminished level of cooperation with federal authorities would technically constitute police assistance. But, take this with the grain of salt that this is law enforcement officers disagreeing with other, different law enforcement officers. The sanctuary policies aren't intended to harbor violent criminals, but I can see that the refusal to cooperate fully does cause 'gaps' so to speak, that allow violent immigrants to persist for longer than they should. However, I don't think the police allow crime to proliferate; I think they just aren't cooperative with federal law enforcement. Those monolithic Spanish communities you were talking about earlier? Cops rely on them to self report. The sanctuary city idea incentivized reporting of the actual bad hombres by the populace, to fill the gap in policing that I was trying to point out earlier. If they don't feel the need to cooperate with authorities, policing gets so much harder.

And none of that has to do with the fact that non citizen voting is really, really hard. Sanctuary city concept encompasses criminal deportation rather than voting issues, it seems. The protections that prevent double voting, prevent illegal voting. Otherwise, fuck illegals, people would just do this domestically if it were so easy a non citizen could do it. People would pay people to double vote, to hell with lobbying. You could literally buy the vote per citizen, or make the people up/steal identities yourself to influence the vote.

The reason you can't vote twice easily, is even more reason why an illegal can't. Do you see what I am trying to say?

If you can do this so easily in sanctuary cities, why havent underground conservative forces used this apparently very replicable technique to remove illegal influence, and restore balance?

Two words...

"Sanctuary Cities."

Side note - Realistically, El Paso and Juarez form one large interconnected community, the existence of a national border down the middle is largely irrelevant. The people are the same.

That's just one town, one example.

Again, not arguing there is a significant Spanish speaking population in places in the US. If there wasnt, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I'm simply saying that the illegal.immigrants aren't walking up to the voting boths, because of the risk of detection and subsequent expulsion. I'm here hiding, and I'm trying to sneak into a government office to falsely ID myself, to vote?  That seems very unlikely to me. The article was stating that; Spend was saying that this isn't true in majority Spanish communities. I then asked for a community to be identified that would have a majority Spanish population, with the law enforcement being Spanish as well, as per BADs addition to the argument. Because I'm saying it's interaction with the government that gets you sent home; people trying to avoid going home have probably learned to largely avoid the government.

But yes, to concede your point, it is thick with Mexican immigrants in some places, just Latin Americans in general. Parts of Florida are like that too, and even when I was a kid, when I went to Texas to go to AstroWorld (6 Flags? It's been so long) I saw a bunch of really pretty Latin girls; it was my first time seeing so many Latin people in one place. I'm from Louisiana, was used to the local phenotypes if diversity means pretty ladies, then dammit, put this fucker in a blender, my man.

Spanish explored and settled the southwestern US a long, long time ago. Think in terms of starting in the 1600s.

This is actually true. One of my friend who doesn't know Spanish stayed in El Paso for a week and he was like hunting for English stores. Learnt lots of Spanish words, we were wondering whether he went to Paso or Spain..