Topic: That Great Big Beautiful Wall - page 2. (Read 2934 times)

*killed the quote train, it was getting long*

But community race/police race affiliation doesn't seem to correlate to positive policing outcomes for minorities. Although they may have minority department leaders, this does not necessarily represent a more permissive environment for said represented minority. Let me cite:

http://www.newsweek.com/racial-makeup-police-departments-331130


The Washington Post has written on several studies detailing the link between police diversity and community relations. Lydia DePillis noted that a 2004 analysis of data from St. Petersburg, Florida and Indianapolis, Indiana concluded “black officers are more likely to conduct coercive actions” than their white colleagues when resolving conflicts. DePillis also references a 2006 analysis of Cincinnati Police Department records; in her words, the study found “white officers were more likely to arrest suspects than black officers overall—but it also found that black officers were significantly more likely to make an arrest when the suspect was black.”

Moreover, she writes that a 2011 Washington Post poll found that black residents rated the police department at a “relatively low 60 percent” even though “the force is highly integrated.” She also notes: “The New York Police Department’s demographics are close to those of the rest of the city, but a Quinnipiac poll from 2014 found that only 54 percent of black residents approved of its performance. The Detroit police department is so dominated by African Americans that it’s been sued for discrimination against whites, and yet only 18 percent of black Wayne County residents approved of its work in 2009.”

This is just one place, but I'm suggesting that having a minority leader doesn't indicate sympathy for the policed community. The policing institution is much older than the recent uptick of diversity than it has experienced.  I'm not suggesting there is not truth to what you are saying; I'm suggesting that the prevalence of this would be miniscule at best. If this was where the illegal voting happened, they would not be able to have much of an influence, given the size of the communities. An abnormal number of votes in places like this would be really obvious as well. And there would still be Republican oversight in these places even if in minority. They would not stand for that bullshit, and rightfully so.

That's what elections are all about... in small towns especially. Get your people together and elect a mayor and town council who are going to do it your way if you don't like white cops. After all, some very big cities have many black and hispanic cops... even chiefs of police.

I'm colored folk, for some reason I think me and the 'hombres' would be fine, I love vibrant culture, good food, and good people that can show me something different. And tacos are fucking delicious. The carnitas ones (slow cooker pork) are the best.

Although I'm a spirits guy, beer takes too long for me. Some tequila, racist bartender!

But seriously, you are describing SpanishTown USA. These are small communities in which the majority of residents are indeed Spanish speaking, but this doesn't include the law enforcement. Given that the majority of citizens in the US are white, the majority of police are as well, proportional. Ergo, no matter if the whole city speaks Spanish; the authorities that would interact with these 'bad hombres' and 'welfare queens' would not be the same ethnicity, and therefore have no tribal affiliation.



This is similar to ChinaTown USA, pretty much x town USA where x = an immigrant group that lives over here in a community. Shit, even whites and blacks do this, people always tend to cluster around others that share their culture. Not to their exclusion, but certainly for familiarity.

We have taken a diversion, but let's return to the priori dispute. I cited something that said that illegal immigrants avoid interaction with Leo's in order to avoid arrest, you disputed this with the assertion that this occurs in majority Spanish speaking communities. I concede that there are large concentrations of immigrants in these areas, but I advance that this still does not enable them the ability to vote, because of the nature of the process, and the language preferences of the community would not influence policing outcomes, as the police are typically of a different race than tthehe suspect, ESP in this situation.
I simply cannot envision a scenario where people would risk arrest to cast a vote, that barely even matters given the nature of the electoral college.

Get out, go where the tacos and cold beer is, and have fun. Look for streets with lots of tire and hubcap shops. You can point at menu items and be understood. The key words are Cerveza and Tacos. Those will get you by.

Don't worry you will be accepted and sort of respected as one of the old white honkies. Just don't start prattling off that liberal horseshit or someone might decide you needed a lesson. They might be right, come to think of it.

There are plenty of such places in the United States. For example, 37% of the population in the Greater Los Angeles area use Spanish as a home language. This figure climbs to 40% in Miami, 72% in El Paso, and 43% in San Antonio.

Or rather, this magical  majority Spanish speaking place in the USA, doesn't exist. And yeah, I'm a homebody. Haven't travelled since I was a kid, in earnest at least.

"TEAR THAT NATIONAL BARREL DOWN"
One day I was walking down to the river.
On a plane near the riverbank, I saw a barrel in upright position.
In approaching to that barrel, I heard in my left ear a voice.
When I came to that barrel I lifted myself on my feet, and leaned over the rim.
Then I heard clearly that someone is calling loudly:
„Help, my god, help me somebody!“. I said: „How can I help you, I am just a boy, fourth grader, I am only Secular God Zikalkis, not Almighty God,
 what are you doing there, I don't see you!?“.
He replied: „You can't see me, I am black, I am Obama, I am chained here at the bottom of the barrel!“
I said: „I can't reach you, maybe I push this barrel in horizontal position, but it is too heavy for me!“
He said: „Go and find first people and tell them to help you to tear this barrel down!“. OK, I said, and went upstream to look for people.
Soon, I saw two men fishing on the other bank of the river.
I shouted: „Hi!“  .... http://zikalkis.blogspot.com and http://zikalkiszik.blogspot.hr/
They said: „Shut up boy, you may scare big fish!“
I sat down, calmly, thinking to myself:“ Zik, you are Secular God, you can't shut up in such matters!“.
Then I shouted: „Hi, You, Obama is in the barrel chained and I am too weak to tear that barrel down, come and help me!“
They smiled and said: „Can't he unchain himself!?“.
I answered: „No he can't. More he moves chains more squeeze!“.
After some consultations, they said, reluctantly: „Okay, okay, boy, we are coming!“.
They booted themselves and crossed the river and followed me to the barrel.
They leaned over and said: „ We don't see anybody!“
I said:  „How can you see a black man in that darkness!“ and I said firmly: „Tear this barrel down!“.
When they heard my strong command and weak voice of Obama they pushed barrel down to horizontal position.
I went inside and unchained himself and we went out:
He said: „I see now, there is god, but I couldn't imagine that it is you!“.
„I know, I know!“ said I, „ Will you now buy me a Berliner Doughnuts!?!“.
„You merit one barrel of Zinfandel!“ said he .... hahahaha .... we laughed!
But, after 2 mandates, not a bottle of Zinfandel arrived to my realm. Reminds me of the situation when usa peoples
collected money for the pedestal for the Statue of Liberty, or for to pay financial dues to UN. Rich to no poor it gives away.
I added you as hundred .... as the song: "you are one in a million" ... or, as "i am the one with a zillion" .....

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Man it seems there's a lot of places you have not seen.

And pray tell where would that be? A place in America where the majority speaks Spanish, including law enforcement?

No they don't. At least where the majority in the local culture talks Spanish, and where the immigrant is Mexican.

I'll concede that, in one of the States that doesn't ID. But being on a voter roll doesn't make you a citizen, it doesn't confer a valid ID, and it doesn't make you eligible for SNAP benefits. Even if they did manage to vote. SNAP is a federal thing provisioned by the state. The requirements are the same in all states.

BTW, don't you think it's odd that for all the millions of illegal votes, none had abnormal vote counts? How do you add extra people to a system, that only counts votes attached to a social? How can a person that is not on a voting roll, vote?

https://www.quora.com/How-easy-is-it-for-an-illegal-immigrant-to-vote-in-California

The main point is that illegal immigrants generally avoid any interaction with local, state, or the Federal government if at all possible, because such interaction greatly increases the odds that they and/or their families will be deported. About the only public organization that doesn't ask any questions are the public schools, when new kids are presented by their parents.

This unwillingness to interact with government officials has disadvantages for the rest of us (beyond driving down wages, and not being able to "ship them out"). Crimes go unreported. Illnesses go untreated until the sufferer is finally forced to crowd into an emergency room. Drivers go onto the streets without proper instruction or knowing the rules of the road.

[Regarding Bill AB60:] California attempted to address the last symptom by allowing illegal residents to obtain driver's licenses with no questions regarding immigration status. While obtaining a license, the applicant is "automatically" registered to vote, unless they opt out. Potential voters have to demonstrate proof of age, for which most people show a birth certificate or a passport, which reflects citizenship.

Even if an invalid application makes it beyond a service window at the DMV, they electronically transfer the voter registration information to the Secretary of State's office, and the state rejects those for which they have no computerized record of citizenship. So, the state gets two whacks at preventing illegal voter registration. No registration means no name on the voter lists at the balloting sites come election day.

And the kids are citizens. They get whatever citizens get

The fairest answer is that of the hundreds of programs you generalize about, some are easy and some are hard. The very definition of "illegal" is someone operating off-the-books, using a fake SSN at the minimum. The simplest example of off-the-books theft of services is the Mexican that comes across the border to have a baby in an American hospital. Hundreds do this every day.

The real answer to your incredulity is that access to the government programs and funds is easy when those running the programs make it easy — which is the exact intent of many liberals.

Next you'll be claiming if they don't have valid ID they can't possibly enroll their children in school. Again, they do this all the time, routinely.

It may be where you go wrong is assuming the same rules apply to illegals as to you. That's incorrect. For example, you need an ID and a bank account to buy a new car on a loan. An illegal does not.

Worth mulling over, isn't it?

Oh.. common... we are talking about a country where there is no ID proof requirement for voting. Once an illegal manages to enroll in the voters list, he can cast his ballot in any election.

Bitcoin is my answer to the first objection, and for the second objection, again how? It is literally impossible, I have a relation that works at a social security office in a very rural area. While the bar is low, really low, to qualify for help, they need a valid license that they actually run for validity, a valid social, and you need a valid address I believe. If they are stealing an identity, the addresses won't match up. If they fake it, no known person. And SS has access to the DMV. There is some shit you can get just with proof of address, I must admit. But this is usually during emergency situations, like a natural disaster.

Are you sure of this, or is this just talking points? You may have valid examples I'm not privy to, I'm not discounting your experience.it's just, per my experience, they tend to check these things, it's a more one on one process these days.

As a citizen myself, the only way I could think to do this would be to steal a neighbors identity, that you know the circumstance of, and phish enough details through casual conversation to fake pay stubs, mortgage or rent documents, and birth certificates social security numbers. It's possible, but if thats the most feasible way to do this, you can't tell me that the practice is widespread.

It's too hard to compromise an identity to the extent that you could get social welfare from it. You need current, intimate details that would indicate extreme proximity. How would illegals get this proximity as newcomers?

The specific proposal IIRC was to tax remittances, money sent by Mexicans here back to their families. The major revenue source for Mexico.

They do this all the time.

How do you get welfare benefits, or any social welfare, without a valid and unique SSN? Employers can collect taxes from them, and they can pay into social security because the government rarely questions when you give it money. E-verify isn't that sophisticated apparently (which is a while different issue). But even with perfectly good faked papers (a perfect copy of a legitimate persons identity), how do you claim benefits when you have to apply, in person, with a case worker? You would need to supply pay stubs, all types of shit, too much info for a non person to generate. If they can, they probably have enough resources not to want to go on record as being in the country, given that they are here illegally. Kinda like signing up for DirectTv as a fugitive.

And did you know that White America makes up the majority of social welfare recipients? It's kinda duh, given the overwhelming majority of America is white, but it's a talking point that may have gotten lost on Breitbart.  Because we all know colored people use all the food stamps, and do all the crime.

I finally get it! Does Make America Great Again actually mean " Please get these fuckin darkies out?"

Save kidnapping the Mexican president and holding him at gunpoint, how do you force a sovereign nation to pay you money they don't want to? In fact, don't tell me, tell Greece and Venezuela's creditors

Any tax levied against Mexico on consumer goods, ultimately hurts the American citizens that purchase said goods, because like any sane person, they will pass the difference along to us.

The fact that it's totally illogical and impossible make me fuckin nervous, to be honest. I can promise you Trump won't be there next term, any costly, unfinished wall is going to be a taxpayer issue, as we will be paying for the wall. You and me, Spend. If they build it, we will pay.

I'd rather donate to the forum

Even if the federal government want to put an end to this practice, the deep-blue states such as New York and California, where most of these illegals are residing, will oppose. California is perhaps the most pro-illegal immigrant state.

Wait and see on that. You can bet that he will fill his promise that Mex will pay for it.

The fact that it seems totally illogical and impossible is part of why he'll be impelled to make it happen.

I can still imagine there might be some sort of wall or other wall-like border obstacle built on the US-Mexico border. What I can't imagine is Mexico paying for it like Trump wanted. No way in hell can Mexico afford such a project and not go bankrupt. Not to mention they have absolutely no interest in it.