Topic: The 2017-2018 Flu Killed 80,000 Americans, But No Hysteria or Shutdown - page 3. (Read 1098 times)

the worldometer stats are of people hospitalised and it shows in many countries of the XX number tested positive in hospital. 10% die
it shows the sources and you can even find contact info for the sources of sources.
yo can also see a comparison from many countries which show correlation indedepentaly. which also backs up this stat

however your carpark doctors that are strangely too afraid to get covid or let it pass to other patient in clinic..  giving out chemicals said themselves 90% success rate =10% fail
so same numbers.
thus no difference

but how your carpark doctors are acting by not wanting covid to pass to themselves. means they dont trust tusing their own chemicals on themselves. and they dont want to use it on real patient in clinic. their car park sales pitch is a bit of side money selling snake oil to stupid people that ask for it but dont need it

if you think the corona virus in hospital number are made up. then try to realise that are backed up by doctors, medical records, and death certificates and samples, tests, scans.

have a nice day on your 5 bookmarked websites but one day i hpe you wil seek information beyond your 5 websites you circle around. i know it wont be today. but in a few months you probably will want to exercise your brain because even you would have become bored with the same fake stories you have been reading over and over again.

i tried to help speed you up to recent, relevant reality of whats actually happening. bu only you can make the decision to let go of the faux news influencers.

but just take this note.
every time you post a link. just know your going to get debunked instantly. so to save yourself some time. atleast try to scrutinise what your about to post
dont just be a fangirl clickbait ambassador

Lol.

What was it again? Was it 82.7% or 83.5% of statistics that are made up on the spot?

https://youtu.be/7hvkq-R1QGU

 

in hospital recovery rate without hydrochloroquine 90%
car park administered drug recovery rate 90%
infact if them doctors in carparks only gave it to the severe patients (thus not dilute results) it would be less than 90% success rate compared to hospital treatment of just oxygen

in short. it shows no true guarantee or large positive difference
yet what your not realising is that hydrochloroquine comes with many side effects too
its suppose to be used in small healthy dose over a month regime. not megadose in one car park clinic visit

try to do the research

and above is an example of badecker not realising that hydochloroquine. the thing he is heavily promoting. is not a 'natural remedy' but a big pharma product.

yep doctors are not pushing random big pharma drugs onto patients because they know some come with side effects.
but badecker has been brainwashed into wanting to push random drugs into people even though even without the drugs the death rate is similar to those who take the drugs.. thus no different. thus pointless

but yea lets just laugh at badecker promoting big pharma while not even realising it.

whats next badecker
'i dont like cars'.. he says from the drivers seat of a car

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Alright, all of that is coherent. You don't get counted in the Covid statistics unless you are tested and test positive. There are a few ways to think about that. Tons of people with Covid19 like symptoms are not tested and simply told to stay home. They either then do or don't have Covid19, but regardless aren't counted. That would mean that the total Covid19 spread is greater than what the numbers suggest which may mean its less fatal than expected. On the other hand, people that die at home also aren't counted towards the fatalities unless they were tested and then die at home. New York put out a comment that there was an abnormal amount of people had been found dead at home this year. Basically the total cases and deaths are underrepresented by the official count, whats at question is the cases:fatalities ratio.

In cases where people are tested and hospitalized, they know for certain that its Covid19 and not an extra-strong flu. For the people who aren't tested and told to stay home because they have a cough and fever, you're absolutely right, they could have the flu or any other sort of cold, but they have no bearing on the statistics.

I'm not sure I'd call 11 years and with frequent occurring (though often fixed) problems a track record, but thats your opinion. The Bitcoin protocol gets tinkered with frequently by a small group of people, and we are trusting their word that theres no undesirable changes made. We are also trusting those capable of reading and understanding those changes to publicly say something if they spot something. I hope it was obvious that the reason I brought this up, is because we are putting the same trust in medical professionals to call each other out if someone says something untrustworthy.

I have no idea the legitimacy of this source, so please feel free to disregard any numbers they put forward, but the narrative is corroborated and explains what I meant. https://gothamist.com/news/surge-number-new-yorkers-dying-home-officials-suspect-undercount-covid-19-related-deaths

important part if you don't feel like clicking a link.
https://i.imgur.com/c2otJak.png

Regarding the differences between a lion and a tiger...

Just because many doctors and lab people might be able to tell the difference between Covid-19 and many of the various Coronaviruses, doesn't mean that they are so doing. There have been instructions by Dr. Deborah Brix to consider just about anything that has Covid-19 symptoms to be called Covid-19. The disasterous point is that there are loads of viruses, the infections of which can cause Covid-19-like symptoms.

Okay. So, let's stick everyone with Covid-19-like symptoms into a special category. But, let's say it as it is... not Covid-19, but symptoms that are similar to Covid-19. Of course, the few cases where it is tested out to be Covid-19 with certainty, call those by what they are.

The point is, nobody knows if it is literally Covid-19, or if it is extra-strong flu. Calling it something that it is not, is kinda damning, especially when you trust the medical for the truth. Actually, this is kinda good of Trump's Dr. Brix. We will see how honest medical personnel really are when they are told to lie by government. But we won't see it today, and much of it we will never see. But we will see enough to know if we can trust the medical in the future.

People trust Bitcoin because of its track record. They don't trust it for salvation. They realize the problem it suddenly became for them right at the end of 2017. So, their trust is to play with it with the hopes that it will do them good, but with the knowledge that they will get out when it looks bad enough. Probably the major players are investors who invested a nickle for a thousand way back, and they almost couldn't care if it all went up in smoke.

Again, with regards to specialization, you don't need to be an expert on Corona viruses to be an expert on Covid19, a virologist, infectious disease expert (Fauci), or one of the other 15 adjacent fields will suffice. This isn't really rocket surgery, my home lab and a medical textbook would suffice to give some information on Covid19. Laboratories full of experts would do an even better job.

You aren't getting the whole, medical professionals see Covid19 vs Sars the same way we would macroscopically see a tiger vs a lion. They are both big cats, but if you know what you're looking for you can tell the two apart. If we throw a panther, tabby cat, and a leopard into the mix, you can still identify the tiger. So we've got five cats, we now test their DNA/RNA whatever makes the analogy work, and we cannot differentiate between the tiger and lion?

I don't have access to the death statistics for the first 4 months of the flu in the US. When we first started discussing in this thread a few days ago, we were at 1/3rd the fatalities of the 2017-2018 flu. We're now at 1/2. We looked at the 80,000 deaths versus 48.8 million infected in the US by the 2017-2018 flu. There have been 738,000 infected and 38,000 deaths with Covid19. The order of magnitudes should be pretty apparent... throw in a hypothetical and outrageous 50% margin of error, and its still sort of telling.

Food riots and economic impact are a worthwhile discussion since there is absolutely no way  that we'll come to any sort of understanding using medical science and data analysis given that we can't agree on sources, or baseline common grounds.



This is somewhat related, but I'm just curious, do you use Bitcoin? If so, are you a computer scientist that specializes in cryptography? And if not, why do you trust Bitcoin? Its open source sure, but the only people who can read that source and really understand it are very specifically technically skilled people, a far smaller base than the medical professionals who understand Covid19. If you are like me and familiar with computer science but no where near competent enough to read line by line through to make sure there isn't a line somewhere that allows something to happen that we don't want to happen, how do you trust Bitcoin? I'm pretty comfortable knowing that there are a small handful of people who'd love nothing better than to point out flaws in the Bitcoin protocol as soon as they're found.

You are disregarding what you said about specialization. Nobody knows about Coronavirus in depth except those who studied it in depth... CV specialists. Since there aren't many of those, they can easily make papers look good to the others, without revealing some aspects that are necessary for complete understanding.

The example of this happening and being used in a bad way is the testing of viruses in a patient. Back a month ago or a little more, the testing for Covid-19 involved taking some RNA from a virus in a patient, and matching it up with known RNA from Covit-19 viruses. This sounds exactly like the perfect thing to do to test for Covid-19 in a patient. The problem exists in the fact that the RNA from the patient virus is found in as many as dozens or hundreds of viruses other than Covid-19, as well.

Okay, so we have determined that the patient has CV, or some other kind of flu, or some other virus in the broad CV family. But why do we all of a sudden say that it is Covid-19 when it could be any of a number of things?

By now "they" might have a better way of testing than they did a couple of months ago, but do we even know this?

So, again, the point isn't the desire of most medical people to be quite honest. The point is that they easily could be lied to by the few specialists that do know. And the further point is, that the few specialists who do know, are under instructions by their bosses to play the Covid-19 game, or lose everything from their job right down to their lives. Check out Judy Mikovits to see that this is true.

Based on these points, the whole pandemic panic is a false-news thing played out by the media spreading false news at the instructions of a few in authority who are being deceptive or outright lying. Del Bigtree and his people are looking at all kinds of info, and ferreting out, debate-style, what the truth is. But even if they make a few mistakes now and again, they have found so many things that are questionable, that we know that the whole pandemic is based on questionable findings.

The idea of 80,000 USA deaths in 2017-18 will need to be compared with the number of deaths in 2020 once 2020 is over. But the comparison many not be accurate, because of the food riots that are coming that will kill some. I haven't looked, but do you have death statistics for the first 4 months of 2017-18 that you can compare with the first 4 months of 2020?

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You sort of proved my point there. Someone competent at reading a paper (a peer) can easily see through clever lying, deception, or an incomplete paper.

The concept of peer review doesn't eliminate clever lying or clever deception or incomplete paper.

The point of establishing my scenario for CV has to do with the idea that we need court debates. Peer reviewed papers aren't strong enough.

So you don't understand the concept of peer review. Great.

An Audi mechanic talking nonsense to a Mercedes mechanic wouldn't fly, the same thing applies.

You'd have to give specific examples. I've mentioned a few times that the media may have a plausible interest in lying. They could likely get away with a misrepresented detail that is true as long as you don't interpret it the way they are insinuating, but a straight out falsehood would likely get called out immediately and have them condemned. There may be financial incentive in having the most sensational news story, but thats only as long as you don't lose face and end up missing out on this entire cash cow.


Do obituaries count or do you want to see actual death certificates? I don't know that thats public information. I could also link you to the CDC's statistics but I'm sure you're capable of finding that on your own.


The assumptions you are talking about are background information it is assumed that their audience understands. Scientific journals are written to peers that are understood to have a similar level of understanding as the author. Just because they don't hold your hand through the first 6 years of intro to medical school material doesn't mean its not valid.


Again, do you know how difficult it is to have a global conspiracy? Think of some of the valid conspiracy theories that have some residue of evidence to them, and evaluate how many people are "in the know". Loose lips sink ships, and we've got millions of potential squeaky wheels.


Every pathologist and forensic scientist is laughing hysterically at you. This isn't the 1600s, the cause of death listed as an imbalance of humors doesn't fly.


My background is nuclear physics. Because I've specialized, I am not confident that I could give you an answer on an advanced topic of relativity or thermodynamics, but I could certainly follow another specialist explaining because I have the foundation that leads up to the concepts. Lets say there are actual experts specifically on corona viruses, SARS, MERS, etc, they'd be able to portray every bit of what they're thinking to someone who has a background in virology or infectious diseases. An Audi mechanic talking nonsense to a Mercedes mechanic wouldn't fly, the same thing applies.


If you go into an ER bleeding out of your gunshot wound, they don't go searching for a brain hemorrhage as the cause of your low blood pressure. I really don't know how to reply to this, because I can't think of an explanation other than who cares? If there is Covid19 and also LeprechaunDisease which also looks, behaves, has similar symptoms, and fatalities, does it matter if we say everyone be careful of Covid versus be careful of Covid and LeprechaunDisease?


So you don't understand the concept of peer review. Great.

You have a severe lack of understanding of the sophistication of modern medical science. Doctors, radiologists, pathologists, virologists, etc. They don't just phone it in and pull diagnosis out of their asses. Why are we not questioning the authenticity of water PH testers? That stupid piece of paper turned red, but I'm not convinced my water is acidic. Your only valid point so far is that people have the capability of lying. I'm not an expert on human behavior, but I'm just making a guess based on my experiences that people usually lie for some sort of benefit. If the tens of millions of people covering and reaffirming this lie are doing so at their own expense, I'm stumped.

I think I'm done trying to establish your train of thought and where things went off the rails because there was no point that was on track. I'm just curious, can you establish the entire story for your alternate scenario? Whats the motive for lying, whos benefiting, how are they planting this fake information and for what purpose? How are they avoiding being caught, etc.