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January 19, 2021, 06:59:55 AM
#45
I went with Poland @2.75 today, because I feel this should be more of a 50/50 affair judging by the results so far. Both had Spain on the brink of defeat; Brazil managed to come away with a draw, while Poland lost 26-27. Brazil then struggled a bit against Tunisia as 1.40-fav. The glory days of polish handball are a bit behind them, but they are building up a new team and are still able to field a strong squad.
In the unlikely event of Tunisia beating Spain earlier in the day, it would be best for Poland to draw, because that would eliminate Spain (and thus make Poland carry more points into next round), but I doubt they calculate that far and playing for a draw in Handball isn't that easy Grin
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January 19, 2021, 05:28:57 AM
#44
Final day of first groups, time to wrap it up. Some bets I am looking for today:
Japan to win, probably with handicap - I am still looking for some info on Angola squad, I believe they lost at least one very important player against Croatia and looking for some confirmations before betting. Japan looked good and should win this without much problems.

Croatia - Qatar over 49.5 - This could be a tight game but somebody will also have to chase a result and I believe 50 goals is not too high number. Qatar is getting back Youssef Ben Ali, very good pivot and among top scorers in their squad which should help push this bet in the green. I am also looking for Halil Jaganjac over goals but I have not yet found a bookie offering this. Margin should be very low since he did not play much yet and I believe he will score a couple of goals today.

Agreed on this, I said many times that we are bad but this margin is really low for handball nowadays. It is a really important game, so if one team gets a few goals difference, the other will want to chase for sure.

I think I will play on Japan as well, from what I've seen, they are a much better team. They might struggle physically though, so maybe over goals seems like a good bet as well.
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January 19, 2021, 05:17:18 AM
#43
Final day of first groups, time to wrap it up. Some bets I am looking for today:
Japan to win, probably with handicap - I am still looking for some info on Angola squad, I believe they lost at least one very important player against Croatia and looking for some confirmations before betting. Japan looked good and should win this without much problems.

Croatia - Qatar over 49.5 - This could be a tight game but somebody will also have to chase a result and I believe 50 goals is not too high number. Qatar is getting back Youssef Ben Ali, very good pivot and among top scorers in their squad which should help push this bet in the green. I am also looking for Halil Jaganjac over goals but I have not yet found a bookie offering this. Margin should be very low since he did not play much yet and I believe he will score a couple of goals today.

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January 18, 2021, 10:46:11 AM
#42

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.....Gauthier Mvumbi, 192cm, 110kg, looks a bit more kg's, if you ask me. He could play in NFL with that frame Shocked Or Darts Grin

What a player, he really looks scary, and it seems that everyone gets out of his way when he is ready to send the ball towards the goal Grin



I agree in general, but we are just so bad. Our handball is pre - historic, I really feel this team will struggle with everybody during the tournament.

Unless it is some kind of tactic of keeping strength or deceiving the opponent in the further course of the competition. At first glance, it really seems that they lack motivation, but also that they are not sufficiently prepared.



Unfortunately, the national team of Cape Verde no longer participates in the competition, all their matches will be registered in favor of the opponent 10-0.
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January 17, 2021, 05:58:36 PM
#41
There was some interesting games today between Brazil - Tunisia and Poland - Spain, but it's sad to see games in World Championship ending with 20+ goal difference.
Cape Verde - Germany game was cancelled and Germany was awarded with a win. Cape Verde simply didn't had enough players because of Covid.
.....Gauthier Mvumbi, 192cm, 110kg, looks a bit more kg's, if you ask me. He could play in NFL with that frame Shocked Or Darts Grin
Damn, he definitely doesn't looks like 110kg guy, it should be 130-140kg at least Cheesy. It should be very difficult to defend him, when you need at least 2 players to stop him.
He reminds me one former player of our national team. According to different sources, his weight is between 160 and 180kg:
https://youtu.be/pu6ykR4gvjs
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January 17, 2021, 04:00:25 PM
#40
First serious day of Championship today and nobody posting any picks, makes me sad  Sad
I wanted to copy some good ideas and now you made me make my own so here it goes:

Probably because not many people follow the handball here on bitcointalk. I have seen this first thread dedicated to handball in this section.
Can you tell me where are you betting on these matches ?
Didn't notice the topic personally until now although it was created a week ago. I will not bet on it, I will just follow few games whenever I have free time. New young players in different teams made me a little sceptic.
Today I watched Brazil vs Tunisia which was leading with 4 goals difference but couldn't manage to keep that gap and the game end with a draw. At the last minute there was a controversial goal? for Tunisia but was cancelled.
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January 17, 2021, 10:03:49 AM
#39
Despite my earlier words of the smaller teams catching up, I am going with Denmark -17.5 today. They already comfortably beat the HC against Bahrain with 34-20 and well, DRC is one of the poorest teams in this WC. Although they have one big fella I'm a bit scared of.....


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.....Gauthier Mvumbi, 192cm, 110kg, looks a bit more kg's, if you ask me. He could play in NFL with that frame Shocked Or Darts Grin

Apart from Jakobsen, Denmark has all players available, so no worries on that end. DRC had a very good first half against Argentina, which they even won, so I was looking for a second half HC on Denmark, but didn't find one. Normally these small teams fade a little bit more towards the end of the game, because they are just gassed and not used to play on a high and fast level for 60 minutes. This could happen here as well, so I will probably add a smaller HC inplay at HT, if available.
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January 17, 2021, 08:07:14 AM
#38
And already at the beginning of this competition, the first big surprise happened. Japan played 29:29 with one of the big favorites of the competition, Croatia.
Croatian players always seem to have the problem of underestimating weaker teams and a more relaxed approach to the match.
I hope the players will forget this match as soon as possible and play much more seriously remaining matches in the group.
I believe that very few people bet on this result and that the gains were great.



Quite so, it seems that Croatian players have issues with weeker teams, it's something that should be dealt with by their coach. However, I still see them as favourites and it's not too late to make the things right. Next match is the chance for them to get back on the track.i still bet on them so so I hope I will not be disappointed at the end.

It seems that this is part of the Croatian mentality, that they always play less motivated against weaker teams and give 100% only against the strongest teams.
However, there are no weak teams in this championship and you need to have a serious approach in every game, which Croatian players have probably realized now.
Another big surprise happened at the World Cup, Russia beat Slovenia 31:25 which is just a confirmation of how unpredictable and uncertain this competition is.
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January 17, 2021, 06:58:10 AM
#37
I am skipping it. We always have what I call "Croatia effect" when our team is playing. If we go high and mighty like before first game when everybody was talking about medals and nobody mentioned Japan we disappoint. When it is opposite and we start shitting on our team, they usually pool their strength and kick somebody ass. I feel like this will be total destruction of Angola or another game where we will be afraid for the points until the end. Maybe I will play something live later on.

I agree in general, but we are just so bad. Our handball is pre - historic, I really feel this team will struggle with everybody during the tournament.

We are among the favorites, I'm aware - we always are. And I somehow feel we'll drag ourselves to a position from which we will fight for a medal again. But it has to be said - we are poor, and we have been for years already.
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January 17, 2021, 06:25:38 AM
#36
First serious day of Championship today and nobody posting any picks, makes me sad  Sad
I wanted to copy some good ideas and now you made me make my own so here it goes:

Probably because not many people follow the handball here on bitcointalk. I have seen this first thread dedicated to handball in this section.
Can you tell me where are you betting on these matches ?
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January 17, 2021, 05:11:17 AM
#35
It's been a really weird competition so far, I agree that over margins and handicaps on outsiders seem like the way to go for now. We are playing Angola today, handicap is 10,5 - the way we played against Japan makes me want to take this.
I am skipping it. We always have what I call "Croatia effect" when our team is playing. If we go high and mighty like before first game when everybody was talking about medals and nobody mentioned Japan we disappoint. When it is opposite and we start shitting on our team, they usually pool their strength and kick somebody ass. I feel like this will be total destruction of Angola or another game where we will be afraid for the points until the end. Maybe I will play something live later on.

Pre-match the line was even 70.5, which was insane imo and just inflated by the previous result from SK (80 goals in match against Slovenia, pre-match line o/u 58). Belarus had a high-scoring affair against Russia in their first match as well, but this was an outlier as well, the pre-match line was 54.5.
I have actually seen this and thought it is not possible that they are offering such big margin. Must be something I don't know about the game so I skipped betting on it. It was so overblown that I was sure I am missing something.



Don't like the markets today, all handicaps seem on point today so I am taking just Qatar to win against Japan. Japan was loosing all the games before Croatia and I think that it was a case of Croatia playing bad and not Japan playing good. Qatar is also nothing special so small stake for me and time for football and eSports to carry me today.

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January 17, 2021, 04:54:48 AM
#34
I'm observing mostly so far, waiting to get a clearer picture before placing some bigger bets.

It's been a really weird competition so far, I agree that over margins and handicaps on outsiders seem like the way to go for now. We are playing Angola today, handicap is 10,5 - the way we played against Japan makes me want to take this.
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#birdgang
January 16, 2021, 05:28:33 PM
#33
Seems like the way to go in this competition, at least for now.

I think this is the way to go in general in a lot of sports. The smaller/weaker nations catch up very fast, while there is not that much room for improvement for the big nations. This is something I also observed in football in the various WC/EC qualifying competitions. Not only in Europe (well for EC obviously^^), but also in Asia, where football dwarfs nowadays are able to handle themselves very well against good opposition and can keep the scoreline close-ish often times despite huge HC's.



I wanted to recommend a bet here today, but totally forgot about the (early) starting time and while I was writing my post, the game had already started Grin I then jumped in live myself, but abandoned my post:



Pre-match the line was even 70.5, which was insane imo and just inflated by the previous result from SK (80 goals in match against Slovenia, pre-match line o/u 58). Belarus had a high-scoring affair against Russia in their first match as well, but this was an outlier as well, the pre-match line was 54.5.

Then I had my eyes on Russia - only the HC - but didn't have the guts and in the end they even won as 8+ underdog Shocked Looks like there is at least one big upset per day, so who will it be tomorrow ? Maybe Poland can do something against Spain or Bahrain will beat Argentina.
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January 16, 2021, 04:16:26 PM
#32
Good thing there is handball around, football kicked my ass today but I managed to end the day in small profit thanks to those 2 picks I posted above.



Did not check the markets and margins for tomorrow yet but I am again eyeing some handicaps on underdogs. Seems like the way to go in this competition, at least for now. Over market has also been a very good bet so far.
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January 16, 2021, 06:35:00 AM
#31
I must admit that Japan pleasantly surprised me with their game, although the final result is the result of incredible oscillations in the game of Croatia (which was pointed out by their coach before the competition) which at some points was somewhere else, not on the field. With an incredible amount of misses, the Japanese goalkeeper had his day with several Japanese players who were a real enigma for the Croatian defense.

Japanese coach Dagur Sigurðsson (Iceland) has well thought out tactics and brought his team to Egypt even 10 days before the start of the competition and played 2 friendly matches with the host Egypt and lost both times (33-25&34-29)
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January 16, 2021, 05:53:47 AM
#30
And already at the beginning of this competition, the first big surprise happened. Japan played 29:29 with one of the big favorites of the competition, Croatia.
Not the only one. Spain played same 29-29 vs. Brazil but granted ours was a bigger disappointment, not even gonna comment on that game since the post would anyway get deleted due to language used Smiley



After tough showing from some favorites yesterday I am on underdogs side this time:
Switzerland +9.5 @1.51, This margin is quite big and I expect them to cover it, if Norway has big lead hopefully they will opt to rest some of the best players as well
Austria +11.5 @1.48, same as above and the margin is even bigger which makes this one even safer for me.

I am playing those 2 as a double for high stake. Never in the recent history in their H2H were this handicaps even close to being fulfilled. Hopefully they will not be today. I also have those two games as a smaller handicaps (Swiss +7,5, Austria+9,5) on my multi x5 tickets. Odds are much better around 1.8 per game and they should still come.
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January 15, 2021, 03:01:17 PM
#29
And already at the beginning of this competition, the first big surprise happened. Japan played 29:29 with one of the big favorites of the competition, Croatia.
Croatian players always seem to have the problem of underestimating weaker teams and a more relaxed approach to the match.
I hope the players will forget this match as soon as possible and play much more seriously remaining matches in the group.
I believe that very few people bet on this result and that the gains were great.

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January 15, 2021, 10:45:23 AM
#28
Yes, this competition should have been postponed! Look at the mess that is happening: Egypt has already a lot of troubles going on in the country and I think the least they can do now is to make sure that an handball competition will be covid risk-free.
Or treat the game as training and let the guys have fun.
Would you do that as a professional player? I personally would not go there and risk my life (and career) to have some fun.  Wink

Professional players are well-dedicated and they're willing to take the risk just to raise their flags and represent their countries.
It's just so sad that some players couldn't make it because of being infected by the virus but so far, most teams are doing great and they're all well-motivated. It has been a close match for France and Norway but I guess it wouldn't be a year for France again.
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January 15, 2021, 10:33:27 AM
#27
Are you actually saying that you know who are top 6 Cape Verde players Smiley

Well, you can just check who are these players playing in Spain, France, Germany and Romania - they should be the stars Grin And the team page actually lists the key players and surprise surprise, it's five of the six players playing in these countries:

Key players: Delcio Pina (back), Leandro Semedo (back), Ivo Santos (back), Elcio Fernandes (goalkeeper), Edmilson Araujo (left back)

Semedo plays at León, currently #4 in Liga Asobal. Pina in La Rioja, even #3. I was looking for that Santos guy, because the website says he plays in Germany, but couldn't find him in the roster of Bergischer HC. Turns out he plays only for their second team Cheesy

I think it's better to skip this, there are probably better things to bet on today Roll Eyes I will follow the game though and come here bragging, if CV manages to beat the HC, lol.

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January 15, 2021, 08:53:23 AM
#26
But if it's 6 top players missing for CV, then I would probably skip it......
Are you actually saying that you know who are top 6 Cape Verde players Smiley If that is true than I have to collect much more research and knowledge before changing tips with you on sort of equal basis.

I don't like the games today very much, all favorites will stomp the opposition it is just a question of handicap. I am playing just 2 games:
Croatia -6.5 @1.6, this should be a safe bet, we covered that handicap every time we played against Japan so I am expecting the same here. Over should be a good bet as well since we usually opted to overshoot Japan instead of trying to stop them with defense.

Angola +7.5 @1.55, Angola actually has favorable H2H with Qatar but this is not the same Qatar side. Qatar has a lot of foreigners playing for them. Yes that is allowed in Handball so they are big favorites here but I expect Angola to cover this handicap. This is just for beer money since I have no clue about real strength of Angola team.
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