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Quote from: tyKiwanuka on January 13, 2021, 03:08:43 AM

Cape Verde is battling some outbreak also, but so far it looks like they are going to play, though they are still in Portugal as of now. They will play Hungary on Friday, HC-14.5 looks like a good bet under these circumstances.

By now Cape Verde has travelled to Egypt without 6 players and 4 staff members, amongst them their coach, according to local news site. The HC for Hungary went up to 17.5 and I am thinking about placing a bet on Cape Verde actually, because missing 6 players is probably not that much of a deal, if it isn't their best players. Unfortunately no names were mentioned, if someone has them available, please post.

We have 4 portuguese-speaking teams in Egypt, so Handball is on the rise in these countries and the majority of players from Cape Verde do actually play in some bigger leagues, so I doubt they are just cannon fodder:

Quote from: https://www.ihf.info/competitions/men/308/27th-ihf-mens-world-championship-2021/22415/teams/5263

The 23-man Cape Verde squad named for their Egypt 2021 training camp in Portugal in November featured 12 players based in Portugal, five in Cape Verde, three in Spain, and one each in France, Germany and Romania, with many having experience in Europe’s top leagues, including the EHF Champions League Men.

Missing all these players/staff could actually result in being even more motivated and glue this team together as a unit. We have seen it before, what this can do to the team spirit and also what it probably does to the opponent, like "they are missing 6 players, we will win this easily with minimal effort".
But if it's 6 top players missing for CV, then I would probably skip it......

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Quote from: Lucius on January 14, 2021, 11:40:06 AM

Quote from: Trofo on January 14, 2021, 09:46:15 AM

France +3.5 @1.5, I am getting that Norway are favorits here and maybe even rightly so but 3.5 handicap against France is something we don't see very often and I have to take it.

I believe that this is no longer the old France that was the absolute ruler of world handball, but until I see them in action, it is difficult to predict anything. They played the last two games with Serbia and lost the first game (in Serbia), and played a draw in France.

You have a point regarding France but they are always much more dangerous when it matters and their defense is unbreakable when it clicks. I am actually gonna reinvest profits from first game (over on Russia game, that one was free money) into Norway win. Perfect result for me is Norway win with 2 goals difference and that seems very likely to me.

Bold part is important here and that is why I said small stakes first few days until we have time to judge the teams. Big money bets for me start after the first group stage.

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Quote from: Trofo on January 14, 2021, 09:46:15 AM

Belarus - Russia over 53,5 @1,75, my top pick today

The first half ended with as many as 30 goals (15-15), so this could pass very easily. By the way, I earned the most money on sports betting on the total number of goals in handball or the number of points in basketball. It's a pity that I don't have a little more time for some better analyzes, but the championship has just started, so maybe I'll make a few bets.

Quote from: Trofo on January 14, 2021, 09:46:15 AM

France +3.5 @1.5, I am getting that Norway are favorits here and maybe even rightly so but 3.5 handicap against France is something we don't see very often and I have to take it.

I believe that this is no longer the old France that was the absolute ruler of world handball, but until I see them in action, it is difficult to predict anything. They played the last two games with Serbia and lost the first game (in Serbia), and played a draw in France.

https://ehfeuro.eurohandball.com/men/2022/participating-teams/details/VDAxs4FiPA_D5jnphT7lmA/france/

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First serious day of Championship today and nobody posting any picks, makes me sad Sad

I wanted to copy some good ideas and now you made me make my own so here it goes:

Belarus - Russia over 53,5 @1,75, my top pick today and I believe this should be an easy over game, odds on over are dropping all day and now you even have a problem getting 53,5 and maybe have to go for 54,5 but that should still pass. Both teams are playing quite fast and this over passed in the last 5/6 games between this sides.

Austria to not lose @1.8, They are better team for me and I am surprised they are not favorites here

France +3.5 @1.5, I am getting that Norway are favorits here and maybe even rightly so but 3.5 handicap against France is something we don't see very often and I have to take it.

Small stakes for first few days until I see how the teams actually perform.

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So far this championship looks like a joke. USA and Czech Republic being forced to withdraw from competition just few days before start of it. They will be replaced by Switzerland and North Macedonia, but they will have to play without any preparation basically.
Also, whole qualification to the tournament in Europe was cancelled in late phase of it and they simply send teams according to results of last European championship, what isn't fair IMO.
I don't have much knowledge about handball level outside Europe, but I imagine that for some African and Asian teams it will be difficult to compete and we may see some big scores.

Quote from: acquafredda on January 12, 2021, 11:47:26 AM

I used to play handball when I was young and I remember the crazy amount of sweat we produced for every game (in a closed environment). How will they make sure that these guys will play under safe conditions? Who knows!
Anyway, I did not know Denmark was that good at it.

Same like every major sports competition, players and staff will be tested almost every day, they will live isolated in hotel, conditions are similar to NBA bubble, so conditions is really safe. I read somewhere that tournament will be not only without spectators, but also without journalists.

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Quote from: acquafredda on January 13, 2021, 12:38:23 PM

Quote from: Trofo on January 13, 2021, 05:31:53 AM

Or treat the game as training and let the guys have fun.

Would you do that as a professional player? I personally would not go there and risk my life (and career) to have some fun. Wink

Probably yes, maybe it sounds a bit harsh but professional players are actually one of the safest groups of people. They are all in best years of their life and in top form plus they have all possible medical care they could wish for. Covid is just another thing that can happen, same as injury or traffic accident. We are taking risks everyday and that falls under acceptable risk in my book. I would follow all possible precautions and enjoy opportunity to play in big competition.

Life is about living it and not letting it go by. You have a limited number of World cups in your body as professional athlete and I for one would take my opportunity to leave my mark in all of them. But I also played football with busted knee for 2 years before going on surgery so maybe I am bit crazy that way

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Yes, this competition should have been postponed! Look at the mess that is happening: Egypt has already a lot of troubles going on in the country and I think the least they can do now is to make sure that an handball competition will be covid risk-free.

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The whole format is wrong.

Or treat the game as training and let the guys have fun.

Would you do that as a professional player? I personally would not go there and risk my life (and career) to have some fun. Wink

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It might be best if the competition was postponed, but then the question arises as to when the games would be played later because the schedule of domestic leagues and handball Champions League would have to change - or maybe it could be played after the end of the season as is the case with football?

Quote from: cryptofrka on January 13, 2021, 05:26:19 AM

The whole format is wrong.

Look at it from the angle of those countries that would not otherwise have a chance to play competitions like this - which may mean that some of them will invest more in handball at the national level to be more competitive in the future in competitions like this. Probably that's the purpose of this format, although some will certainly not be happy to watch such matches. Personally, I don't mind that, there is always an outsider who surprises everyone and plays above all expectations.

As for the match that opens the competition, we have one interesting thing. Both national teams (Egypt & Chile) have Spanish coaches - The Egyptians have a well-known Roberto Garcia Parrondo (win EHF Men’s Champions League in 2019 with Vardar), and on the other side for Chile is Mateo Garralda.

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Quote from: Mauser on January 13, 2021, 04:07:41 AM

Yeah it seems a bit crazy too include all these tiny countries. But we shouldn't forget that handball needs more followers too. It could be a good way to include more countries and people from all around the world. In the end it only means that the group stage becomes more predictable and less exciting games. But the quarter and semi finals should be very exciting games. It also means less of the good teams will be knocked out on the group stage.

The whole format is wrong. There are 4 teams per group (8 groups) in the first stage, top 3 teams go through to the next round. Then they form 4 groups containing 6 teams each, meaning that a team like Angola, Uruguay or Bahrein will be forced to play a minimum of 6 games against strong opposition. If a team like that loses 5 games, each of them by 15 goals difference, I'm not really sure it will bring more followers in these countries.

Problem with handball is that big differences in quality can't be hidden by playing defense and counter attacking like in football. Any of the top teams can just decide to play serious defense for 20 minutes and make +15 goal difference in that time. Or treat the game as training and let the guys have fun. It is unfortunate that this expansion of teams coincided with covid outbreak. I can already see some top team getting kicked from competition because half of their team got covid in one of those less important matches.

This year, teams can bring 20 (instead of usual 16) players and if they can't field 10 healthy players for any game they are out of competition.

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Quote from: Mauser on January 13, 2021, 04:07:41 AM

Yeah it seems a bit crazy too include all these tiny countries. But we shouldn't forget that handball needs more followers too. It could be a good way to include more countries and people from all around the world. In the end it only means that the group stage becomes more predictable and less exciting games. But the quarter and semi finals should be very exciting games. It also means less of the good teams will be knocked out on the group stage.

The whole format is wrong. There are 4 teams per group (8 groups) in the first stage, top 3 teams go through to the next round. Then they form 4 groups containing 6 teams each, meaning that a team like Angola, Uruguay or Bahrein will be forced to play a minimum of 6 games against strong opposition. If a team like that loses 5 games, each of them by 15 goals difference, I'm not really sure it will bring more followers in these countries.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on January 12, 2021, 06:25:08 PM

I just went to see the groups and saw that Cape Verde is playing in the tournament? Grin

I really dislike what they are doing with handball, they are killing the sport. 32 teams, half of them will be losing by double figures. 3 new teams (Uruguay, Cape Verde and DR Congo) combined would probably lose to a club I played for 20 years ago.

Yeah it seems a bit crazy too include all these tiny countries. But we shouldn't forget that handball needs more followers too. It could be a good way to include more countries and people from all around the world. In the end it only means that the group stage becomes more predictable and less exciting games. But the quarter and semi finals should be very exciting games. It also means less of the good teams will be knocked out on the group stage.

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The US is out as well after reporting 18 Covid cases and will be replaced by Switzerland. Cape Verde is battling some outbreak also, but so far it looks like they are going to play, though they are still in Portugal as of now. They will play Hungary on Friday, HC-14.5 looks like a good bet under these circumstances. Brazil was reporting cases too, but mostly staff.

This is already a big mess before the start Grin

Probably not about the strongest team, but who has the fewest problems with this virus.

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I just went to see the groups and saw that Cape Verde is playing in the tournament? Grin

I really dislike what they are doing with handball, they are killing the sport. 32 teams, half of them will be losing by double figures. 3 new teams (Uruguay, Cape Verde and DR Congo) combined would probably lose to a club I played for 20 years ago.

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As I predicted earlier (and it was expected) the Czech Republic has officially given up the competition and will be replaced by Macedonia, the first reserve.
It's official new now: https://www.ihf.info/competitions/men/308/27th-ihf-mens-world-championship-2021/22415/news/25989

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Quote from: buwaytress on January 12, 2021, 01:04:04 PM

So I placed my first bet today on handball. I know nothing about this sport, but it does look really athletic, exciting, and I know for sure my arms couldn't last 10 minutes at the kind of speed and strength they play. I have severe multiple dislocation, exhausted socket... and it's from football, if you believe.

Same here mate. I don't really know what Handball is until now then I've searched it on Youtube and watched some highlights and it was pretty fun to watch. I see it waaaay better and enjoyable than football (if you would play it as well). Also, it reminds me of some childhood room basketball with relatives where you pitch the ball on a box. I guess this would be part of sports I would be searching, watching, and betting on. I just hope that there would also prediction threads for the upcoming handball games in this championship. Grin

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So I placed my first bet today on handball. I know nothing about this sport, but it does look really athletic, exciting, and I know for sure my arms couldn't last 10 minutes at the kind of speed and strength they play. I have severe multiple dislocation, exhausted socket... and it's from football, if you believe.

Nevertheless. Russia look like a really good pick, I got it at about 3.6x boosted odds... and Trofo says Iceland are a better team than Portugal but again I go for form, so a Russia-Portugal parlay to kick this off at almost 6/1.

If I bum out, I'll start following some of you, maybe. As if I don't throw away enough money on sports =p

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It is a pity of course that the Russian athletes have to play under the flag of FGR (Russian Handball Federation) instead of the state tricolor, but I think it should not affect the game itself and they will show their best side as always.

I think at least Russian handball players will come out of their group winners.

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I used to play handball when I was young and I remember the crazy amount of sweat we produced for every game (in a closed environment). How will they make sure that these guys will play under safe conditions? Who knows!
Anyway, I did not know Denmark was that good at it.

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Quote from: sempak on January 10, 2021, 12:32:48 PM

Also nice to see that Egypt is also a decent team with handball. i thought it would be way to hot to play handball in that country Grin

Egypt is a solid team but nothing more. Their big plus in this championship is home turf. There is usually the talk of referees favoring home teams in handball and Egypt is very physical team which can use that to the maximum. Since there will not be supporters in the stand maybe that influence will not be that big but I will still be vary careful before betting against them.

Croatia actually has very little injury problems this year and we should make good use of that. We are missing only Stepancic which seems very insignificant when we check absentees from teams like Germany or Sweden. Maybe we will even manage to do good against France now that they are without older Karabatic

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I think there are not much of handball fans in the forum while about 90% being soccer fans.Still diversity is good and a thread like this is needed.I learned about Scandinavian teams being the best in this competition,I knew about Ice hockey but didn’t knew about handball.

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