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Topic: The battle over online privacy (Dash / Monero / Zcash) - page 3. (Read 3924 times)

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Its a good thing Dash moved away from darknet and that Dash privacy solution is totally optional.  


This is a big no-go in anonymity: it shouldn't be optional.   This is like saying that anonymity on the public road is optional: you can put a bag over your head when walking in the street.  True, but you will be easily spotted, with your bag over your head.

Anonymity shouldn't be an option, but it should be automatic, and *lifting* anonymity should be an option.  This is like the old paper mail system: you can send an envelope and you don't need to put your sender's address on the envelope.  You may do so if you wish ; you can write whatever you want on the return address if you wish.  The contents is private too, unless one opens the envelope.  So MOST paper mail was private in some sense.  You weren't a suspect because you put your letter in an envelope or because you wrote "Jack Johnson" on the sender's place.  Everybody put their letters in a closed envelope, so yours didn't stand out.

With a bag on your head in the street, you stand out as a suspect.

With e-mail, this failed.  e-mail was open and clear for all routers and servers.  When PGP came, as an OPTION, it wasn't generally adopted.  Not many people use PGP.  Some do, and I'm pretty sure they stand out as suspect.

e-mail totally screwed the privacy of paper letters.  All the privacy problems that occurred with e-mail are due to the fact that privacy was only a option.  Hell, ask Hillary !   If we're not careful, bitcoin is like e-mail.  Dash is like bitcoin, providing something like PGP for those who "have to hide something".


legendary
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You forgot to mention
VCASH
ZCASH isn't finished, Monero and DASH have bad limitations.

It is very easy to say that this or that is "limited" without first explaining how vcash's chain blender anonymizes its transactions. If you can give us a simple lay man's term explanation, that will be appreciated. Then we could all start discussing vcash and its comparison with the rest.
legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud
Not to beat a dead horse but this again why it is more important than ever for privacy centric cryptos to work together rather than bashing each other.

Here is the direct link to EFF article that was quoted:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/04/rule-41-little-known-committee-proposes-grant-new-hacking-powers-government


Again, the equation is pretty simple. We squabble, the world becomes like 1984. We unite, we at least have a chance of forcing their hand.

It's called vetting, and no it's not the bad guy in this little play; you get 1984 when you don't mercilessly analyze systems for flaws--or claims that aren't in line with reality. 
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Here is a great interview with Snowden, Greenwald and Noam Chomsky discussing privacy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L60LU8LIi0M

When speaking about anonymous cryptos to outsiders and newcomers that are concerned with the implications of online anonymous purchases, this is a great link to send them.

Edward Snowden, Glen Greenwald and Noam Chomsky are examples of how we should conduct ourselves. Maybe you do not agree with or like one of the individuals but the way they conduct themselves is always productive. Even when I have seen them disagree with other people or opinions, their conduct remains professional because they see the bigger picture and they know what is at stake.

We too can have professional conversations about competing technologies but right now, the way the conversations have been going leaves much to be wanted.

If Snowden, Greenwald or Chomsky were to look through these forums and see some of the comments, they would be extremely disappointed that we are at the forefront of amazing technology and are squandering this opportunity to have a profound change on our civilization due to our greed of wanting our individual coin to succeed and the others fail.

There are many privacy and encryption technologies that compete and manage to do so without the emotional and childish outbursts that plague nearly every coins thread.

Think about this. Several have stated our battle for online private transactions is only beginning and I completely agree. We haven't faced the full onslaught of a government attack on our networks or the transfer of fiat to anonymous currencies. When that time comes though, the only way we will succeed is through multiple communities working together. We will need redundancies in place in case one currency falls so that at the very least, online private transactions can continue.

If you can't see this, please expand your scope of thinking and realize just as we need decentralized currencies, we need decentralized "options" of which currencies to use. There can never be just one or it creates the very same problem it was created to fix.


Thank you so much for creating this thread qwizzie. I look forward to seeing how this develops and will be thrilled if it results in some new ideas for improving Dash, Monero and Zcash or at the very least helps to foster a new sense of solidarity.
legendary
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You forgot to mention
VCASH
ZCASH isn't finished, Monero and DASH have bad limitations.

Yeah it will be a race among which will be the most popular anon crypto and the most accepted among darknet markets. In my opinion, I think that most of them are full of hype. However, it is up to debate whenever any of these cryptocurrencies truly deliver strong anonymity or not. I have the feeling that once ZCash blockchain comes to the public, it will be full of hype and we will expect to see massive pumps during its first days. No offense, it is just my opinion.  Roll Eyes
legendary
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Not to beat a dead horse but this again why it is more important than ever for privacy centric cryptos to work together rather than bashing each other.

Here is the direct link to EFF article that was quoted:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/04/rule-41-little-known-committee-proposes-grant-new-hacking-powers-government


Again, the equation is pretty simple. We squabble, the world becomes like 1984. We unite, we at least have a chance of forcing their hand.

thank you for that link, i will add it to my first post
legendary
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You forgot to mention
VCASH
ZCASH isn't finished, Monero and DASH have bad limitations.

sorry flipme, but that article of which i put the link up in my first post is not written by me and it just
refers to those three cryptocurrencies.

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You forgot to mention
VCASH
ZCASH isn't finished, Monero and DASH have bad limitations.
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Its a good thing Dash moved away from darknet and that Dash privacy solution is totally optional.  



I lolled so hard at this, wtf, this is the best joke ever...

come on man, you can't be serious...

now Dash is better cuz the privacy is optional... newsflash, xmr's privacy is optional too, with the viewkey...

you know why those dnm's didn't choose Dash, cuz the privacy features are inherently flawed, not optional, but flawed...


I really wonder if you were able to keep a straight face when starting this topic... I lolled really hard, thank you!

best regards
legendary
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newbie
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Not to beat a dead horse but this again why it is more important than ever for privacy centric cryptos to work together rather than bashing each other.

Here is the direct link to EFF article that was quoted:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/04/rule-41-little-known-committee-proposes-grant-new-hacking-powers-government


Again, the equation is pretty simple. We squabble, the world becomes like 1984. We unite, we at least have a chance of forcing their hand.
legendary
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for the sake of this thread's readability, it would be nice to stay somewhat on topic and avoid unnecessary long posts.
legendary
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legendary
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can we please just put volyova on ignore, he already proven to be a troll and he is cluttering up this forum
with his troll posts and the replies he get.

thank you.

Thanks for the heads up, done!  Wink

http://cryptohustle.com/the-battle-over-online-privacy





Its a good thing Dash moved away from darknet... 

Nice catch here, very interesting, it would partialy explain some of the recent exit pumps.

On another note what's up with BTC? Any guesses?

I have said it many times... We should never court or market to the darknet or Deep Web.  That is not where our future lies.   Let others cater to that market if they wish.

you must have a new variety in your vineyard called "sour grapes" LOL

i bet it is the darknet or deep web who wanted the technology, so they must be the one doing the courting hehe

anyway, if darknet people wanted to use dash they will use it if they want to, there's nothing you can do about it. so if you don't want people to be anonymous/private, why not remove private send and stop your masternodes from mixing coins?.. and then dash will become just like any other shitcoin out there with fast coin transfers and shiny GUI?  haha
legendary
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http://cryptohustle.com/the-battle-over-online-privacy





Its a good thing Dash moved away from darknet... 

Interesting article, could have huge implications for a certain cryptocurrency that just got added as currency on darknet.
Direct association with darknet = Full attention of the FBI


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Its a good thing Dash moved away from darknet... 

sour grapes?

or

losers and quitters..didn't even have the chance to perform.

XMR cryptonote technology is on stage now...we will see if it can hold its defenses...go anonymous crypto currency! go monero!
legendary
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http://cryptohustle.com/the-battle-over-online-privacy







Its a good thing Dash moved away from darknet and that Dash privacy solution is totally optional.  

Interesting article from Alan Struna (please read it completely), it could have huge implications for a certain cryptocurrency that just got added as currency on darknet.
Direct association with darknet = Full attention of the FBI

Update :

Direct link to EFF article that was quoted: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/04/rule-41-little-known-committee-proposes-grant-new-hacking-powers-government
Credits : alanshore

I suspect this will provide some need for discussion, so please discuss  Grin

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