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December 30, 2016, 03:42:59 AM
This seems easy, living our intentions and seriousness, if there are people who say no could mean there is no seriousness to stop. perhaps closer to the God is one way.
Yeah its depends on the people seriousness and how they handle it properly.In my experience in gambling you didn't win always sometimes you lose too.
Those people with great discipline can get out of a gambling addiction and stay away from it for good. It will just really depend upon that person if he really wants to quit gambling. Gambling is a hard habit to lose. Especially when you are already addicted to that feeling of winning. But in reality you lose more than what you win.

but its only for few people that having a great discipline and the other people can not quit gambling for good because to be a discipline person its really hard, we must obey our rule without excuse and we have make our limit is not break by ourself. but if we are succeed to be a discipline person then i am sure that we can quit gambling with easy.

To be able to quit gambling for good, you have to really instill a very strong intention with a very strong foundation, strong intentions of your heart. Because if your intention is weak or not strong enough, you will definitely be back to play gambling, and it certainly is. Because everything we do in this world if it does not start with a strong intention, will not run smoothly. And discipline also be something very important role in your efforts to quit gambling. Discipline and remember was the thing that made you want to quit.

You said the real point here. Without strong intentios there is no results. And it's not in relation to gambling games, but anything. To achieve the success, the individual must be focused and prepared to face any problem and difficulty in the middle of process. The addicition can be strong, but the person must be stronger than it. With a strong will force, nobody can beat the individual.
Dedication to quit and having a strong discipline would really help you out to get away from gambling addiction.You are right people should really be stronger and he must think off the possible outcomes if he would tend to follow the flow of his addiction.If he mind the future of himself and his loved ones he could easily quit gambling for good.
but not so easy to think that way if you had a really addictive. indeed, people who want to get out of or away from it must have the determination and strong desire, as well as having their loved ones, as I believe, only in that way to people who could get away from gambling addiction
Yes true to quit gambling well for those who have experienced a severe addiction will be very difficult. Efforts are you saying would have been very difficult to do and can fail. But it must be done regularly, even though failed we had to retry. Because if done routine will definitely be able to quit a total from gambling for those who have become addicted. The most important thing to stop gambling with more positive activities.
If you are serious you will definitely do such thing on giving up gambling without any hesitations and you are right we definitely fail for sometimes because we all know addiction could hardly be removed so easily and we do really do it again but self control and persistence would really help you out.
Yes indeed need seriousness in order to be able to quit gambling. But it is very difficult and takes time to be able to do it. My friend was able to stop gambling completely after two years he intends to quit. I saw him several times failed, but he always tried. You're right, self-control and perseverance will make actually quit from gambling.

I had a slight addiction to gambling. I would say that admiting it is the first step (sounds cliche but its true). Then you have to control yourself into avoiding it or lessening the frequecy of you gambling in the casinos or sportsbooks. I would say that a good tip is to tell yourself that the money you are gambling is not for gambling. Then you will realize that you aren't supposed to be gambling.
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December 30, 2016, 03:39:02 AM
This seems easy, living our intentions and seriousness, if there are people who say no could mean there is no seriousness to stop. perhaps closer to the God is one way.
Yeah its depends on the people seriousness and how they handle it properly.In my experience in gambling you didn't win always sometimes you lose too.
Those people with great discipline can get out of a gambling addiction and stay away from it for good. It will just really depend upon that person if he really wants to quit gambling. Gambling is a hard habit to lose. Especially when you are already addicted to that feeling of winning. But in reality you lose more than what you win.

but its only for few people that having a great discipline and the other people can not quit gambling for good because to be a discipline person its really hard, we must obey our rule without excuse and we have make our limit is not break by ourself. but if we are succeed to be a discipline person then i am sure that we can quit gambling with easy.

To be able to quit gambling for good, you have to really instill a very strong intention with a very strong foundation, strong intentions of your heart. Because if your intention is weak or not strong enough, you will definitely be back to play gambling, and it certainly is. Because everything we do in this world if it does not start with a strong intention, will not run smoothly. And discipline also be something very important role in your efforts to quit gambling. Discipline and remember was the thing that made you want to quit.

You said the real point here. Without strong intentios there is no results. And it's not in relation to gambling games, but anything. To achieve the success, the individual must be focused and prepared to face any problem and difficulty in the middle of process. The addicition can be strong, but the person must be stronger than it. With a strong will force, nobody can beat the individual.
Dedication to quit and having a strong discipline would really help you out to get away from gambling addiction.You are right people should really be stronger and he must think off the possible outcomes if he would tend to follow the flow of his addiction.If he mind the future of himself and his loved ones he could easily quit gambling for good.
but not so easy to think that way if you had a really addictive. indeed, people who want to get out of or away from it must have the determination and strong desire, as well as having their loved ones, as I believe, only in that way to people who could get away from gambling addiction
Yes true to quit gambling well for those who have experienced a severe addiction will be very difficult. Efforts are you saying would have been very difficult to do and can fail. But it must be done regularly, even though failed we had to retry. Because if done routine will definitely be able to quit a total from gambling for those who have become addicted. The most important thing to stop gambling with more positive activities.
If you are serious you will definitely do such thing on giving up gambling without any hesitations and you are right we definitely fail for sometimes because we all know addiction could hardly be removed so easily and we do really do it again but self control and persistence would really help you out.
Yes indeed need seriousness in order to be able to quit gambling. But it is very difficult and takes time to be able to do it. My friend was able to stop gambling completely after two years he intends to quit. I saw him several times failed, but he always tried. You're right, self-control and perseverance will make actually quit from gambling.

Yes indeed need seriousness in order to be able to quit gambling. But it is very difficult and takes time to be able to do it. My friend was able to stop gambling completely after two years he intends to quit. I saw him several times failed, but he always tried. You're right, self-control and perseverance will make actually quit from gambling.And indeed help a parent or someone close to them is something that does give a very good effect and can help them get out of gambling quickly
 
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December 30, 2016, 03:32:31 AM
This seems easy, living our intentions and seriousness, if there are people who say no could mean there is no seriousness to stop. perhaps closer to the God is one way.
Yeah its depends on the people seriousness and how they handle it properly.In my experience in gambling you didn't win always sometimes you lose too.
Those people with great discipline can get out of a gambling addiction and stay away from it for good. It will just really depend upon that person if he really wants to quit gambling. Gambling is a hard habit to lose. Especially when you are already addicted to that feeling of winning. But in reality you lose more than what you win.

but its only for few people that having a great discipline and the other people can not quit gambling for good because to be a discipline person its really hard, we must obey our rule without excuse and we have make our limit is not break by ourself. but if we are succeed to be a discipline person then i am sure that we can quit gambling with easy.

To be able to quit gambling for good, you have to really instill a very strong intention with a very strong foundation, strong intentions of your heart. Because if your intention is weak or not strong enough, you will definitely be back to play gambling, and it certainly is. Because everything we do in this world if it does not start with a strong intention, will not run smoothly. And discipline also be something very important role in your efforts to quit gambling. Discipline and remember was the thing that made you want to quit.

You said the real point here. Without strong intentios there is no results. And it's not in relation to gambling games, but anything. To achieve the success, the individual must be focused and prepared to face any problem and difficulty in the middle of process. The addicition can be strong, but the person must be stronger than it. With a strong will force, nobody can beat the individual.
Dedication to quit and having a strong discipline would really help you out to get away from gambling addiction.You are right people should really be stronger and he must think off the possible outcomes if he would tend to follow the flow of his addiction.If he mind the future of himself and his loved ones he could easily quit gambling for good.
but not so easy to think that way if you had a really addictive. indeed, people who want to get out of or away from it must have the determination and strong desire, as well as having their loved ones, as I believe, only in that way to people who could get away from gambling addiction
Yes true to quit gambling well for those who have experienced a severe addiction will be very difficult. Efforts are you saying would have been very difficult to do and can fail. But it must be done regularly, even though failed we had to retry. Because if done routine will definitely be able to quit a total from gambling for those who have become addicted. The most important thing to stop gambling with more positive activities.
If you are serious you will definitely do such thing on giving up gambling without any hesitations and you are right we definitely fail for sometimes because we all know addiction could hardly be removed so easily and we do really do it again but self control and persistence would really help you out.
Yes indeed need seriousness in order to be able to quit gambling. But it is very difficult and takes time to be able to do it. My friend was able to stop gambling completely after two years he intends to quit. I saw him several times failed, but he always tried. You're right, self-control and perseverance will make actually quit from gambling.
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December 30, 2016, 02:57:31 AM
People need face a lose before able to stop gambling at all but sometimes , people still greed or even worse to chase their loss
If you have a friend or family that facing gambling problem, you should help them before it's too late

Of course those gamblers who are now wanting to quit gambling for real are the once you already experienced losing. And no matter what they do, they really can't help themselves but to keep on gambling. Family and friends support is necessary for a gambler that wants to quit gambling and has the willingness to do it, moral support is important.
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December 29, 2016, 01:04:11 PM
This seems easy, living our intentions and seriousness, if there are people who say no could mean there is no seriousness to stop. perhaps closer to the God is one way.
Yeah its depends on the people seriousness and how they handle it properly.In my experience in gambling you didn't win always sometimes you lose too.
Those people with great discipline can get out of a gambling addiction and stay away from it for good. It will just really depend upon that person if he really wants to quit gambling. Gambling is a hard habit to lose. Especially when you are already addicted to that feeling of winning. But in reality you lose more than what you win.

but its only for few people that having a great discipline and the other people can not quit gambling for good because to be a discipline person its really hard, we must obey our rule without excuse and we have make our limit is not break by ourself. but if we are succeed to be a discipline person then i am sure that we can quit gambling with easy.

To be able to quit gambling for good, you have to really instill a very strong intention with a very strong foundation, strong intentions of your heart. Because if your intention is weak or not strong enough, you will definitely be back to play gambling, and it certainly is. Because everything we do in this world if it does not start with a strong intention, will not run smoothly. And discipline also be something very important role in your efforts to quit gambling. Discipline and remember was the thing that made you want to quit.

You said the real point here. Without strong intentios there is no results. And it's not in relation to gambling games, but anything. To achieve the success, the individual must be focused and prepared to face any problem and difficulty in the middle of process. The addicition can be strong, but the person must be stronger than it. With a strong will force, nobody can beat the individual.
Dedication to quit and having a strong discipline would really help you out to get away from gambling addiction.You are right people should really be stronger and he must think off the possible outcomes if he would tend to follow the flow of his addiction.If he mind the future of himself and his loved ones he could easily quit gambling for good.
but not so easy to think that way if you had a really addictive. indeed, people who want to get out of or away from it must have the determination and strong desire, as well as having their loved ones, as I believe, only in that way to people who could get away from gambling addiction
Yes true to quit gambling well for those who have experienced a severe addiction will be very difficult. Efforts are you saying would have been very difficult to do and can fail. But it must be done regularly, even though failed we had to retry. Because if done routine will definitely be able to quit a total from gambling for those who have become addicted. The most important thing to stop gambling with more positive activities.
If you are serious you will definitely do such thing on giving up gambling without any hesitations and you are right we definitely fail for sometimes because we all know addiction could hardly be removed so easily and we do really do it again but self control and persistence would really help you out.
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December 29, 2016, 12:59:55 PM
This seems easy, living our intentions and seriousness, if there are people who say no could mean there is no seriousness to stop. perhaps closer to the God is one way.
Yeah its depends on the people seriousness and how they handle it properly.In my experience in gambling you didn't win always sometimes you lose too.
Those people with great discipline can get out of a gambling addiction and stay away from it for good. It will just really depend upon that person if he really wants to quit gambling. Gambling is a hard habit to lose. Especially when you are already addicted to that feeling of winning. But in reality you lose more than what you win.

but its only for few people that having a great discipline and the other people can not quit gambling for good because to be a discipline person its really hard, we must obey our rule without excuse and we have make our limit is not break by ourself. but if we are succeed to be a discipline person then i am sure that we can quit gambling with easy.

To be able to quit gambling for good, you have to really instill a very strong intention with a very strong foundation, strong intentions of your heart. Because if your intention is weak or not strong enough, you will definitely be back to play gambling, and it certainly is. Because everything we do in this world if it does not start with a strong intention, will not run smoothly. And discipline also be something very important role in your efforts to quit gambling. Discipline and remember was the thing that made you want to quit.

You said the real point here. Without strong intentios there is no results. And it's not in relation to gambling games, but anything. To achieve the success, the individual must be focused and prepared to face any problem and difficulty in the middle of process. The addicition can be strong, but the person must be stronger than it. With a strong will force, nobody can beat the individual.
Dedication to quit and having a strong discipline would really help you out to get away from gambling addiction.You are right people should really be stronger and he must think off the possible outcomes if he would tend to follow the flow of his addiction.If he mind the future of himself and his loved ones he could easily quit gambling for good.
but not so easy to think that way if you had a really addictive. indeed, people who want to get out of or away from it must have the determination and strong desire, as well as having their loved ones, as I believe, only in that way to people who could get away from gambling addiction
Yes true to quit gambling well for those who have experienced a severe addiction will be very difficult. Efforts are you saying would have been very difficult to do and can fail. But it must be done regularly, even though failed we had to retry. Because if done routine will definitely be able to quit a total from gambling for those who have become addicted. The most important thing to stop gambling with more positive activities.
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December 29, 2016, 12:08:03 PM
People need face a lose before able to stop gambling at all but sometimes , people still greed or even worse to chase their loss
If you have a friend or family that facing gambling problem, you should help them before it's too late
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December 29, 2016, 12:03:34 PM
This seems easy, living our intentions and seriousness, if there are people who say no could mean there is no seriousness to stop. perhaps closer to the God is one way.
Yeah its depends on the people seriousness and how they handle it properly.In my experience in gambling you didn't win always sometimes you lose too.
Those people with great discipline can get out of a gambling addiction and stay away from it for good. It will just really depend upon that person if he really wants to quit gambling. Gambling is a hard habit to lose. Especially when you are already addicted to that feeling of winning. But in reality you lose more than what you win.

but its only for few people that having a great discipline and the other people can not quit gambling for good because to be a discipline person its really hard, we must obey our rule without excuse and we have make our limit is not break by ourself. but if we are succeed to be a discipline person then i am sure that we can quit gambling with easy.

To be able to quit gambling for good, you have to really instill a very strong intention with a very strong foundation, strong intentions of your heart. Because if your intention is weak or not strong enough, you will definitely be back to play gambling, and it certainly is. Because everything we do in this world if it does not start with a strong intention, will not run smoothly. And discipline also be something very important role in your efforts to quit gambling. Discipline and remember was the thing that made you want to quit.

You said the real point here. Without strong intentios there is no results. And it's not in relation to gambling games, but anything. To achieve the success, the individual must be focused and prepared to face any problem and difficulty in the middle of process. The addicition can be strong, but the person must be stronger than it. With a strong will force, nobody can beat the individual.
Dedication to quit and having a strong discipline would really help you out to get away from gambling addiction.You are right people should really be stronger and he must think off the possible outcomes if he would tend to follow the flow of his addiction.If he mind the future of himself and his loved ones he could easily quit gambling for good.
but not so easy to think that way if you had a really addictive. indeed, people who want to get out of or away from it must have the determination and strong desire, as well as having their loved ones, as I believe, only in that way to people who could get away from gambling addiction
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December 29, 2016, 11:17:21 AM
This seems easy, living our intentions and seriousness, if there are people who say no could mean there is no seriousness to stop. perhaps closer to the God is one way.
Yeah its depends on the people seriousness and how they handle it properly.In my experience in gambling you didn't win always sometimes you lose too.
Those people with great discipline can get out of a gambling addiction and stay away from it for good. It will just really depend upon that person if he really wants to quit gambling. Gambling is a hard habit to lose. Especially when you are already addicted to that feeling of winning. But in reality you lose more than what you win.

but its only for few people that having a great discipline and the other people can not quit gambling for good because to be a discipline person its really hard, we must obey our rule without excuse and we have make our limit is not break by ourself. but if we are succeed to be a discipline person then i am sure that we can quit gambling with easy.

To be able to quit gambling for good, you have to really instill a very strong intention with a very strong foundation, strong intentions of your heart. Because if your intention is weak or not strong enough, you will definitely be back to play gambling, and it certainly is. Because everything we do in this world if it does not start with a strong intention, will not run smoothly. And discipline also be something very important role in your efforts to quit gambling. Discipline and remember was the thing that made you want to quit.

You said the real point here. Without strong intentios there is no results. And it's not in relation to gambling games, but anything. To achieve the success, the individual must be focused and prepared to face any problem and difficulty in the middle of process. The addicition can be strong, but the person must be stronger than it. With a strong will force, nobody can beat the individual.
Dedication to quit and having a strong discipline would really help you out to get away from gambling addiction.You are right people should really be stronger and he must think off the possible outcomes if he would tend to follow the flow of his addiction.If he mind the future of himself and his loved ones he could easily quit gambling for good.
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December 29, 2016, 11:11:26 AM
Read stories, true stories of the way gamblers lives have turned out and the family they lose. Many times that is not all as they lose their life. Easy to stop.
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December 29, 2016, 11:10:03 AM
I think the best way is to involve yourself into another activity that doesn't involve gambling.. like going into gym, church, etc. there's a lot of ways for you to do.. and I think  also that you can quit gambling for good is only for your will.. willingness to surrender even if there's a lot of temptations around you will not attempt to gamble again.
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December 29, 2016, 10:25:44 AM
This seems easy, living our intentions and seriousness, if there are people who say no could mean there is no seriousness to stop. perhaps closer to the God is one way.
Yeah its depends on the people seriousness and how they handle it properly.In my experience in gambling you didn't win always sometimes you lose too.
Those people with great discipline can get out of a gambling addiction and stay away from it for good. It will just really depend upon that person if he really wants to quit gambling. Gambling is a hard habit to lose. Especially when you are already addicted to that feeling of winning. But in reality you lose more than what you win.

but its only for few people that having a great discipline and the other people can not quit gambling for good because to be a discipline person its really hard, we must obey our rule without excuse and we have make our limit is not break by ourself. but if we are succeed to be a discipline person then i am sure that we can quit gambling with easy.

To be able to quit gambling for good, you have to really instill a very strong intention with a very strong foundation, strong intentions of your heart. Because if your intention is weak or not strong enough, you will definitely be back to play gambling, and it certainly is. Because everything we do in this world if it does not start with a strong intention, will not run smoothly. And discipline also be something very important role in your efforts to quit gambling. Discipline and remember was the thing that made you want to quit.

You said the real point here. Without strong intentios there is no results. And it's not in relation to gambling games, but anything. To achieve the success, the individual must be focused and prepared to face any problem and difficulty in the middle of process. The addicition can be strong, but the person must be stronger than it. With a strong will force, nobody can beat the individual.
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December 29, 2016, 10:15:44 AM
This seems easy, living our intentions and seriousness, if there are people who say no could mean there is no seriousness to stop. perhaps closer to the God is one way.
Yeah its depends on the people seriousness and how they handle it properly.In my experience in gambling you didn't win always sometimes you lose too.
Those people with great discipline can get out of a gambling addiction and stay away from it for good. It will just really depend upon that person if he really wants to quit gambling. Gambling is a hard habit to lose. Especially when you are already addicted to that feeling of winning. But in reality you lose more than what you win.

but its only for few people that having a great discipline and the other people can not quit gambling for good because to be a discipline person its really hard, we must obey our rule without excuse and we have make our limit is not break by ourself. but if we are succeed to be a discipline person then i am sure that we can quit gambling with easy.

To be able to quit gambling for good, you have to really instill a very strong intention with a very strong foundation, strong intentions of your heart. Because if your intention is weak or not strong enough, you will definitely be back to play gambling, and it certainly is. Because everything we do in this world if it does not start with a strong intention, will not run smoothly. And discipline also be something very important role in your efforts to quit gambling. Discipline and remember was the thing that made you want to quit.
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December 29, 2016, 10:02:48 AM
This seems easy, living our intentions and seriousness, if there are people who say no could mean there is no seriousness to stop. perhaps closer to the God is one way.
Yeah its depends on the people seriousness and how they handle it properly.In my experience in gambling you didn't win always sometimes you lose too.
Those people with great discipline can get out of a gambling addiction and stay away from it for good. It will just really depend upon that person if he really wants to quit gambling. Gambling is a hard habit to lose. Especially when you are already addicted to that feeling of winning. But in reality you lose more than what you win.

but its only for few people that having a great discipline and the other people can not quit gambling for good because to be a discipline person its really hard, we must obey our rule without excuse and we have make our limit is not break by ourself. but if we are succeed to be a discipline person then i am sure that we can quit gambling with easy.
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December 29, 2016, 04:18:54 AM
This seems easy, living our intentions and seriousness, if there are people who say no could mean there is no seriousness to stop. perhaps closer to the God is one way.
Yeah its depends on the people seriousness and how they handle it properly.In my experience in gambling you didn't win always sometimes you lose too.
Those people with great discipline can get out of a gambling addiction and stay away from it for good. It will just really depend upon that person if he really wants to quit gambling. Gambling is a hard habit to lose. Especially when you are already addicted to that feeling of winning. But in reality you lose more than what you win.
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December 29, 2016, 04:18:19 AM
This seems easy, living our intentions and seriousness, if there are people who say no could mean there is no seriousness to stop. perhaps closer to the God is one way.
Yeah its depends on the people seriousness and how they handle it properly.In my experience in gambling you didn't win always sometimes you lose too.

Yes, getting close again to God is a good way to quit gambling for good. There are a lot of religions in the world that are teaching gambling is not a good thing in the sight of God. But leave the rest to God, because even how much you have faith in Him but if you are doing nothing to help yourself, that is still nothing. Try to find some other things to make yourself busy is a good way.
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December 29, 2016, 03:54:34 AM
This seems easy, living our intentions and seriousness, if there are people who say no could mean there is no seriousness to stop. perhaps closer to the God is one way.
Yeah its depends on the people seriousness and how they handle it properly.In my experience in gambling you didn't win always sometimes you lose too.
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December 29, 2016, 03:28:46 AM
It depends you, many people when know gambling resign from work, they just spend time for gambling, I am saddened by it, of course his family will be displaced. mind control is the most important, so can be stopped from gambling at any time.
Resigning from work in hope of earning money with gambling is one of the worst and more horrible nightmares I would ever consider. Really you know anyone doing that ?

It is like ruining life totally ! I in my life if would ever see someone doing that I really would do a sitting with him and try to convince him/her ( probably him ) to not quit his job for GAMBLING !

The best way to quit gambling though is lowering your bet amounts and eventually stop.

Cease from your official work only to turn to gambling is the most stupid decision. I mean, how can those who already have a job, which has also been earning a definite but quit the job in order to get a long time for gambling? it is supposed that there is a stop playing gambling so you can focus on your work. Yes maybe with a little bit reduce or limit spending did you use to gambling, decrease continuously until you actually stop gambling.
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December 29, 2016, 01:47:20 AM
This seems easy, living our intentions and seriousness, if there are people who say no could mean there is no seriousness to stop. perhaps closer to the God is one way.
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December 29, 2016, 01:42:31 AM
An addicted gambler should be very submissive for a chance, let you family help you and so as your friends for a faster result, if you will doubt their help you will remain addicted and we know the outcome to that if cannot be cured at an early stage, it my result to bankruptcy which is the worst thing that might happen to you.
That's true, as they say if there's a smoke there's a fire. So for me, if we don't know how gambling works or we don’t have any reason to gamble then I guess we will never get addicted in gambling. Because once we get it started it will really make us get addicted because gambling really easy to hooked up.
the problem here are about to quit gambling , means you have know already about gambling and decide want to leave , not about to should not know about gambling itself , really hard to quit gambling.

but with a high intention , i guess you can do it . do another activity more often than gambling in daily basis.
Yeah, doing some other things/stuff other than gambling will surely help you also to stay away in gambling, I think it is not that easy for an addicted person to quit immediately but at least it will lessen his/her gambling games. 
The only cure to addiction is not to lessen your gambling games, you have to totally quit and possible do not do gambling for the rest of your life. Maybe that depends of the level of addiction, when it's too deep it will already give negative impact in our life and we should quit by all means.
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